If I want to make money should I just spam the most profitable burger buildings in every city?

>>2337691
>in every city
Just the ones you have more control, capital and surroundings; I like to manually turn off all the burger buildings of conquered cities that I don't have much control and leave only the ones that generate demand: libraries, markets, armories, etc. but I don't know if this is the proper way to do it tho.

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What are you playing while you wait for Johan's latest drug bender to end? Do you think they will revert any new systems added in the 1.1 beta?

>>2337696
Grounded, Forza 4. They will most likely change the states spamming buildings. I love that towns and cities finally don't have a penalti towards food production.

>>2337691
RGOs are usually a better RoI than buildings.
Keep in mind that you can overbuild burgher buildings which crashes the price of the good and in turn the profitability of the building, so it's best to only build a couple at a time.

>>2337696
>people complain the economy snowballs too fast
>change the game so that money in low control areas no longer vanishes into the void
>now it all goes directly to the estates
>who spend it to build the exact same economy buildings as you
>economy now snowballs so much so quickly that the world runs out of raw materials after 100 years
it is impressive just how incompetent the devs are

>>2337721
>who spend it to build the exact same economy buildings as you
I wish. Fuckers are building retardo buildings at a rate that eclipses me. I spend more time destroying buildings than buying them.

>>2337688
So 1.1 is still too soon? How long until the game is finished and actually playable?

>>2337889
About mid 2027 when the paid dlcs start flooding out

>>2337889
i'm playing it right now thoughbeit

>>2337889
It's perfectly playable, with mods. Just Johan is a dumb faggot who doesn't know how to balance his own game
Also
>Browns and blacks get the EXACT same troop types as Europeans
>This means African shitholes are indistinguishable from European armies
>There's 0 difference between European military power vs subhuman militaries
Gotta find a mod which changes this, mali having played knights and matchlock regulars is fucking retarded

>>2337920
knights I agree with but there's nothing crazy about matchlock regulars

>>2337923
African shitholes did not in any way field tens of thousands of soldiers armed with guns until the modern era.

>>2337930
If I'm playing in africa optimally then there's no reason why I can't do it, gurpreet.

>>2337931
>The army of the Mali Empire used of a wide variety of weapons depending largely on where the troops originated. Only sofa were equipped by the state, using bows and poisoned arrows. Free warriors from the north (Mandekalu or otherwise) were usually equipped with large reed or animal hide shields and a stabbing spear that was called a tamba. Free warriors from the south came armed with bows and poisonous arrows. The bow figured prominently in Mandinka warfare and was a symbol of military force throughout the culture. Bowmen formed a large portion of the field army as well as the garrison. Three bowmen supporting one spearman was the ratio in Kaabu and the Gambia by the mid-16th century. Equipped with two quivers and a knife fastened to the back of their arm, Mandinka bowmen used barbed, iron-tipped arrows that were usually poisoned. They also used flaming arrows for siege warfare. While spears and bows were the mainstay of the infantry, swords and lances of local or foreign manufacture were the choice weapons of the cavalry. Ibn Battuta comments on festival demonstrations of swordplay before the mansa by his retainers including the royal interpreter.[114] Another common weapon of Mandekalu warriors was the poison javelin used in skirmishes. Imperial Mali's horsemen also used iron helmet and mail armour for defence[115] as well as shields similar to those of the infantry.

Even nigger loving wikipedia fellates less black cock than you

>>2337932
>falling for bait
>responding to bait

>>2337932
Cool
Why is that relevant to a video game that diverges from real history the second you hit unpause?

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>>2337939
>Muh heckin sandbox!
Kys
>Estimates of the Songhai force range from 18,000 cavalry and 9,700 foot soldiers (according to the Tarikh al-fattash), to 12,500 cavalry and 30,000 infantry, up to 80,000 soldiers in total.[1] In any case, they outnumbered their opponents. Though the Songhai had a powerful cavalry, they lacked the Moroccans' gunpowder weapons, which would turn the tide of the battle.[2]

>>2337941
That's pretty cool anon
Remind me again on why the Songhai I'm playing that's an economic and military hegemon wouldn't be able to figure out how to use matchlock regulars when my cities are actively producing hundreds of thousands of guns and cannons a year?

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>>2337942

>>2337942
Because their average IQ is 65. Kys retard

>>2337944
>>2337950
Damn, Europeans must be even dumber considering the average literacy in my empire is significantly higher than anywhere in Europe.

It's an ahistorical game, that's why it needs to be Wakanda the frame after I hit unpause in 1337

The game is shit unless it never deviates from history at all and is actually just a visual novel that looks exactly the same every playthrough

>>2337920
>>2337898
I checked the forums and steam and apparently the economy completely breaks down after 100 years, is that not your experience?

Also how is military now, are regulars and cav less insane?

>>2337942
Because you're niggers

Is the game playable yet? I just want a comfy dutch game

>>2338009
Yes, because estates now spam dogshit buildings constantly. Download the mod that stops estates from building stuff that isn't estate buildings(their unique ones) and also burghers building roads(with the privilege) but honestly I'd rather not let burgers make roads since they have so much fucking money now they just build roads everywhere constantly too. And also there's a 1.5x iron/lumber output mod and another separate iron building(not rgo) mod. With all three it completely fixed the issue for me, but you could probably just mix those for desired effect, the 1.5x mod and no estates building normal buildings mod should suffice.
Problem is this issue should have been caught by their shitty QA indians if they even played the game once, like most other game breaking shit they do with these patches.
Regulars are kinda fixed but barely, manpower and cost upkeep is a bit fucked now. But there's no cultural/racial difference in regulars beyond some flavor units, so you see Africans and indians able to make 1:1 combat effective regulars vs Europeans. Hugely immersion breaking imho

Oh and there's now a new bug where your dynasty/court estate will constantly start changing because your king will have children through the wife's dynasty instead of your own for literally no reason

>>2338033
the economy hasnt been fixed but bogmaxxing will make you decently rich

Trying to play Sicily in my new 1.1 game. How do I keep that island's economy afloat? Should I just gie the estates lots of priileges and then tax their asses? Because traded so far sucks in the Tunis and Naples markets and most buildings wield little profit.

remember when they pushed a patch without functioning parliament?

>>2338066
Ask either tunis or nipples for privileged rights to their markets so you can have better market access in your provinces, eventually create your own market

>>2338042
>a new bug where your dynasty/court estate will constantly start changing because your king will have children through the wife's dynasty instead of your own for literally no reason
Days on /vst/ without anti-Semitism: 0. Didn’t you dumb goyim see the Super Bowl commercial? Delete this.

Can't downgrade this city on gold due to "seperatism". But there is no rebellion and I integrated the province. But not cored yet. Hopefully works when cored, otherwise what else?

>>2337952
everything you enjoy in your life, you can thank the white man for. every convenience, comfort and luxury in your life, you can again thank the white man for.

>>2337920
The tech difference is fixed if you uninstall cheat mods and turn institutions to historic. Your next seethe: institutions take too long to spread

>>2338333
Non integrated and non cored give separatism. You just need to core and then it works.

Has anyone bothered to keep nobility happy to get max taxes from them? All their privileges seems shit.

>>2338531
Not worth it I'm afraid. Nobles don't have enough power where income is generated and nobles are too hard to tax. Attempt to tax them (by granting them all the privileges) tanks your crown power and leads to lower income. Noble armies are also so small that it's not even worth appeasing them for levy reasons unless you are like France in the first fight with England. The only reason to keep nobles marginally happy is to prevent noble revolts so just set tax rate to 0 and take out as many privileges as you can.
And yes it's stupid system but that's the way the chips fall on that one.

>>2338531
Nobility sucks for taxes. Its way better to get burgers and peasants happy.
And I never tax the clergy. Always keep the slider at 0%.

>>2338492
Kys brown tranny
>u-uh niggers having plated knights and tens of thousands of gun-using troops in 1500 is working as designed!

>>2337350
>The capitol of an area is picked based on population and possibly development
when you finish a colony it will pick a location and give it a free town upgrade. i don't know if that selection is based on population

I have concluded that new world colonies are not worth the effort. Hopefully making a trade route to asia will be different.

>>2338595
They are pretty good if you do it right. Don't blob, just take an area that has good RGO's and fits inside one market, then actually develop it.

>>2338595
They are worth it because if you don't take them, the AI will, and you will need to sit on a fully occupied spain for years waiting for them to accept your terms.

>>2338595
All colonies are really useless except to map paint desu

>>2337923
the reloading speed is 2x of a trained soldier vs a irregular it should be 2x damage.
also morale should be 2x as strong.
there should also be some 4x defense vs cavalry and flanks.
a professional army using pike and shot formations or square formations will negate any horse charge. an irregular army just standing haphazardly will get mowed down and rout.
the lack of anti calv of pike units is also very weird now that they have mixed formation bonuses. pikes should have a 200% flank protection and a 200% dmg to calv, but a -90% to musket infantry.
its so dumb to just have generic unit and then meme unit with 5% more initiative
like they could add light infantry or skirmishers who do more morale damage on flanks but risks more calv damage, they could add buff units like, teutonic ritterbrother or templar knights that give morale buffs to entire army.
it would make sense to hire special crusader templars or elite units merc with plate armor if you are funding knights hospitallers.
also giving morale bonus if fighting heretics

>zero flavor or immersion for colonizing
>no satisfaction to fighting nonwhite nations because their armies/forts work the exact same as Europeans so it's just a tedious slog instead of being a satisfying domination as happened IRL
>already maxed out every province because economy isnt balanced at all, so nothing to do besides map paint/culture paint (which has no events/consequences/gameplay besides sitting cabinet members down)
Honestly, I just don't have the ability to enjoy the game after 1500 at this point. And there's no updated mods which fix this. I really want to love the game but I keep restarting in the 16th century no matter who I play as
T. 1200 hours

Kek, Florry is ranting about the "toolpocalypse" again.

>>2337688
we need vic 3 magical trade dlc that can create iron out of thin air

>>2338685
Try historical tweaks with stable HRE.
vanilla is shit

https://youtu.be/NP_aLk6YkVk
Is this guy right? I would rather have paradox fix the game instead, no? A mod even.
>>2338688
It's been a good minute since the last time I watched him, should definitely watch again. Last I heard from him, he hyped a new YouTube channel that would show him getting all eu4 cheevos (it never came)

>>2338707
Yeah Florry is a master troll.

So apparently you can offer to sell a subject to himself, basically taking all his money.

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No hotfix?

>>2338707
>Is this guy right?
Yes it's principally correct. Fixing economy is fixing the game. The game shouldn't even have this whole lumber->iron->tools->lumber industrialization style loop economy in the 1400's

>>2338777
But i thought the entire reason the toolpocalypse happens is because the estates get rich now thanks to lack of control, and overbuild shit causing demand to skyrocket and the economy to collapse?

>>2338779
I don't see how that relates to my post. Try to articulate your point if you believe you have one.

>>2337688
Havent played since 1.05 I think, does spamming marketplaces still work? I remember I would build nothing but them everywhere and get rich as fuck

>>2338781
Nothing works

>>2337920
>>2337932
>>2337941
Nothing in this game works historically accurate starting by the many economic world phases that pdx didn't bother hiring an economic historian to try and replicate to the troop replacement that works in the universal manpower pool system of ww2 instead of local regiments as it was in vic2, so they may as well have african spacemarines for how much of a farse the whole thing is

>>2338779
The lack of iron and tools is not new nor unique to the beta, lack of wood is something I never experienced.

>>2338795
Lack of wood is new because the estates spam the absolute garbage fruit and fiber orchards and what not which take wood as input on another scale from before.

>>2338767
There's no easy bandaid fix to the new problems they've made for themselves. Before they could just multiply or divide some modifiers by 10 and call it a day, but now they've decided to go fucking with core systems that will have endless knock-on effects. It is patch 1.1 and they are losing control of the beast they created.

>>2338800
They can easily fix that by just adjusting some numbers. If wood is running out just swap one of the wood techs to a bigger number or adjust one of the wood consuming buildings to be more efficient.
The actual problem isn't the economy imploding, it's just a symptom of their lack of vision on what the game should be and honestly just them patching around the fact that they made the start date too early.

>design the game so that most of the economic activity just vanishes into thin air
>change it so all economic activity now circulates back into the system but don't change anything epse about the economy
>do zero simulations to see if the game breaks down after 50 years before releasing patch
I think johan got no idea he is doing

>>2338767
the humiliation ritual will continue until you goyim are mindbroken

>>2338805
The economy doesn't even really break once you have the techs, it's just that no one bothers playing that far. I suspect that's why the issue wasn't noticed, they played for couple hours and it seemed fine and they ran few observer games to the end and it seemed fine. What they failed to realize is that the economy implodes for like 20 hours of real game time when you wait for the age 3 and 4 improvements to the iron, lumber and tools to show up.

>>2338808
>20 hours of real game time
nigga who the hell even plays that long lmao, johan is right, get a life

>>2338787
didn't everyone kinda hate the vic2 regimental system

>>2338829
The dream was always vic2's system with EU4's army templates and macrobuilder, I don't know why they didn't start with that
Vic2 is great except the tedium of balancing and splitting every stack every five seconds

>>2338829
Yeah, but it was more historically accurate than the universal manpower pool we have now, before late 19th century and upwards till ww1 for some like the brishits local regiments recruiting from local pool was the norm, it makes for a bad game mechanic so they scrapped it as they did for a lot of other things who are not historically accurate but make for a better and more fun game

>>2338829
It's really bad yes, no idea why that guy brought it up. No "real" nation would refuse to raise a regiments because they were 1 man short in 2 locations. The "the universal manpower pool system" is not only frankly just more realistic but also just better for gameplay reasons. What matters for the purposes is that pops die if you take casualties.

>>2338834
If it bothers you that there's "universal manpower" then just pretend that the troops are raised locally and then muster at the spot you built them in, which not only makes sense but is basically how it would turn out in real life anyways. You can only build and gain manpower in locations where you have infrastructure in place so they are for all intents and purposes locally recruited troops except without the tedium of having to manage recruiting troops during peacetime.

>>2338837
It doesn't bother me, you are reading the thread wrong, quite the contrary, I praised the change, I'm criticizing other complaints like you should be forced to have a shit nation despite playing well because historically that nation was bad, its the same thing, pdx never did everything historically and the few things it did like local regiments didn't make for fun game mechanics so they got rid of them as they did for other limitations

>>2338834
>>2338837
and local regiments kinda exist in the sense that when your armies take losses you will lose random employees in your barack building.

>>2338840
I don't actually think the vic2 system was really accurate. The only country I know that did something like that was the UK which set up community based regiments which quickly became a disaster since if a unit got involved in heavy fight the whole male population of an area could be wiped out. Something more realistic would be area based regiments like Vic3 does and they infamously removed the toy soldiers.

>>2338840
But the game does have local regiments. You only gain troops from places where you build recruiting buildings and levies are also raised locally.

>>2338841
Pretty much every country had the local regimental system from the moment professional armies started, the difference was how long it took to abandon it, britain is remembered because it took the longest since they rarely fought big land wars and could cope with it, france abandoned it around the napoleonic wars and germany formed with a system build from that experience, even the US had the system as far as the civil war and only changed by ww1 while still having the bedford disaster in ww2 thanks to the states national guards using it
>>2338842
Not the same thing, the losses are distributed randomly at all locations that have those barracks and they contribute to a national manpower, you will never form a local regiment recruiting from one area only and being part of that community tradition as the regiments used to be

>>2338848
I don't know about french regiments but the swedish army was basing its regiments on entire provinces
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalarna_Regiment
or areas as the game would call them

>>2338841
>I don't actually think the vic2 system was really accurate
It's not but not for the "local regiments" reason. Even in world war 2 (and even today) army units often have many people from the same area. Sometimes they are mixed up intentionally to avoid the thing you mention but that's besides the point. In my unit for instance half of the people from my age group from my school are in the same unit and the same is true historically too for obvious reasons, even more so the further back in time you go. Mustering is a local effort and people from a given place and time often end up in the same roles in the same units for simple logistical reasons. Manpower pool doesn't take this away in anyway, it just makes the actual clicking of building troops and gauging your strength simple. Real rulers wouldn't wait for arbitrary troop counts before recruiting they would take 20 from this town and 5000 from this city and then just smush them into the same unit in the muster point or split them up into 5 units of 1000 if that's what was needed. Local recruiting is just an abstraction to real leaders where travel time exists.
The actual wrong part is exactly the mechanics that exist in vicky 2 such as the absolutely retarded way regiments are built and managed, a totally a historic thing which is incidentally just solved by having a manpower pool.

>>2338848
>Not the same thing
It's practically the same thing. The fact that losses are distributed randomly is just an abstraction to help computation, even if they tracked every single soldier individually it wouldn't have any functional difference. Loss is a loss and people promote and move around so all of those average out extremely quickly. If you are taking devastating losses then you are taking devastating losses everywhere, if you aren't taking devastating losses then it doesn't matter if the losses are randomized. And levies do work exactly like this, they are from a specific location and they die in that location.

>>2338850
Pretty much all of them were based on areas, only big cities would get that city only regiments, the whole thing has to do with the levy system, it just rounded up to the local noble is only able to recruit from his own lands and subjects which is why it lasted so long and why mostly republics or very centralized states would be the one's changing it as recruiting straight from the whole nation would be an attack on the local nobility right, there was in the US the issue of logistics to actually send people from one state to another too so local regiments were still the norm untill centralized training depots and more accessible transportation appeared in the 20th

>hey you know eu5 could solve a lot of its issues by taking a blade from [game in which economy breaks down after 50 years due to no money]

>>2338851
It does matter a lot, losing all men from a province with gold rgo or a market center will be a far bigger impact than losing a lot of sand workers in bumfuck nowhere. Mentioning ww2 is a big mistake, the death of the regimental system was ww1 for most nations and by ww2 everyone already had established the general manpower pool exactly because of the defficiency of the local regimental system in fighting industrialized warfare where losses went too fast to replace.

>>2338852
Estates are stupid in this game as they are in euiv, local regiments also had bigger loyalty to their noble lords and were part of his power bargain with the king since generally it was still them who fielded and armed them as if they were levies, but you wont see it here since state centralization is just a slider not an actual action based thing and the estate doesnt even try to bargain

>>2338857
>It does matter a lot
Mechanically it doesn't matter
>losing all men from a province with gold rgo or a market center
Soldiers don't work in an RGO so losing soldiers doesn't matter and if you are using levies then this is exactly what happens if you send your RGO workers to die. So not only does it not matter but the game is accurate on this front.
>Mentioning ww2 is a big mistake
A soviet unit mustering in Magadan wasn't some abstract "manpower", it was a unit made up from people around Magadan, sent into a train and then if the unit got innihilated it would effect that area harshly. Again the same is still true to this day, like I said my unit has maybe half of the men from my year from my school. Countries may intentionally try to mix people up especially during peace time but that is again besides the point. If A medieval lord had access to railways he too would just ship everyone to the capital and form the troops up there like a small country may do today. It was a concession of medieval rulers not being immortal omniscient ghosts that they had to "recruit locally" which is what the game does, you only recruit in places which you have set up for recruitment and you can only build in

You are simply confusing the real world limitations of movement and recruitment with the game mechanic of locally built regiments. In real life armies get built in areas because they have to physically assemble somewhere and that somewhere was simplest if it was a close by place for everyone and they often have significant bias in their composition even to this day. Historically that was even more true because logistical issues were greater. The game however represents this accurately as far as a video game is concerned and frankly more accurately than victoria 2 by using the manpower system. You have the locally recruiting armies because you can only draft and recruit from recruitment centers without the ahistoric memes that come with victoria 2.

>>2338870
It is an abstraction, which makes for better gameplay and all for it, you answer it yourself in the end of your comment, local regiments were always a thing ranging from local bargain power to logistical issues, what is off in your comment is using ww2 as example because by 1915 in ww1 already armies who still hadnt abandoned the local regimental systems for being unable to cope with fast losses replacement and by ww2 pretty much everyone had not only centralized manpower pools but training centers, so your modern service under the cohort system of post cold war or ww2 doesnt factor in 15-19th century military organization

>>2337688
Everyday Johan gets more exposed for criticizing vic3 and doing the same lmao, iron and wood construction simulator

>>2338854
the main issue they have only hired far leftist as economic consultant. so they think infininte money printing for blacks welfare is the best way to run a country.

they wouldnt even dare to teach austrian economics
since swedes are communist they follow blindly keynesiean of total spending into somali bbc

>>2338877
>what is off in your comment is using ww2
I'm using it as an example because you brought it up to demonstrate that your point is not only wrong in the era the game depicts BUT also in the modern era where you falsely believe it to not longer be correct. Again you keep mixing the game mechanic that we are talking about with some arbitrary real life system of building armies.
>local regimental systems
Local regimental systems are still use today and were use during the time the game represents and crucially the game represents them better than victoria 2 does.
>for being unable to cope with fast losses replacement
That is not even the reason why it was phased out. For a government soldier has always been a soldier. It really doesn't matter if 1000 guys die and they are all from the same town, it doesn't "slow" replacing losses in any way. It was replaced because of moral implications of placing losses to a specific community.
>had not only centralized manpower pools
This is again a real life abstraction. Real life modern troops still congregate to their local mustering stations. My station is not far from my home for obvious reasons.
>but training centers
This is true for the period the game represents. People would muster at a specific point, usually an armory or a barracks designed for this purpose. The game has these things called armory and barracks that you build to muster troops at.
>so your modern service under the cohort system
Reading comprehension

You keep mixing up real life challenges and realities of travel with game mechanics and fluidly dodging from one to the other when ever your points get destroyed stop that.

>>2338864
there is no simulation of going from cheaper merc that was local men at arms to nobles into professional militaries of the state.
nobles satisfaction and power have no effect on this.
game should start with a reform giving nobles more men at arms and fedual soldiers much better

>>2338884
austrian economics is a purposely dishonest ideology pretending to be a serious academic school of thought

>>2338888
The game should start at 1444 so it would have to try to squeeze in the last stages of pure feudal armies in the same game with napoleonic systems.

>>2338707
sloptubers are the worst thing to have happen to the gaming community im so tired of seeing ludi or bavarian lick the ass of their affiliate masters.
please master give me a new broken hotfix so i can use console commands and make a meme 20min video
these jesters are incapable of biting the hand that feeds them by calling out how broken the state of game is.

>>2338884
>they wouldnt even dare to teach austrian economics
yeah they should look at Austria's example of adopting the austrian school of ecomics and never getting out of the great depression till germany anexxed them

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>>2338891
>please master give me a new broken hotfix
your wish is johan's command

>>2338895
>Peasant and Nobles Estates will now attempt to expand RGO's if they are granted the privileges to do so.
thats it, ai economy fixed

>>2338887
You are mixing your real life experience and claiming I'm the one doing it, again I also did train in my local national guard unit with local men but that's not how the military works in war, the units are purposely mixed at federal level and replacements only go in squads upward after the mixing but this is a post war development if you believe they will send you with your current buddies you are wrong but again last war sweden fought was in the 18th century. What I'm telling you is standart manual on military organization, french and german military were the first to get rid of it in the 19th already for a centralized manpower pool it was even considered revolutionary when prussians did it first but was only possible thanks to a good deal of instutional centralization. By ww1 brits had 2 battalions in each regiment one for overseas and the other for replacement, wasnt enough so they had to merge en place and started a centralized recruitment and training system to make up for the differences in local training and regiments unable to refill but that was only ww1, they had no problems before and still faced resistance to it because local regiments were almost religious institutions. You keep using modern examples and generalizations for no reason, just agree that the game system is better but it definetely aint realistic as many many other things here.

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/1-1-2-update-for-open-beta.1900808/
> Forestry RGO now requires masonry instead of tools to expand.
cutting wood with the help of bricks

>>2338902
>You are mixing your real life experience and claiming I'm the one doing it
Reading comprehension
>You keep using modern examples and generalizations for no reason
I explained this to you in the previous post already.

I accept your concession

>>2338905
>posts nothing but his modern military service
>claims to have won without a single argument
Come back once you served in the 15-19th century then your rants will make sense

>>2338904
Switching resources needed to build RGOs in the hopes of fixing this whole disaster doesn't make sense, just make iron production vary according to the demand and to balance that make iron rgos deplete in the early late game.

>>2338899
>Estates will now attempt to expand RGO's
Why are they like this. Let ME play the fucking game. Still didn't get my money's worth of fun.

>>2338906
I explained it to you in the previous post where I explained it to you, try some reading comprehension.

>>2338907
It helps some with the AI deadlocks. If AI is out of tools (because it's out of wood) and it wants to expand wood (the correct choice) it can't do that because it's out of tools. Way easier to change the requirement to not be self referential than to teach the AI how to selectively shut down parts of it's economy to temporarily free tools for the upgrade.

>>2338904
>Enfranchisement will no longer duplicate lots of wealth
so they introduced a new mechanic, and nobody bothered to check if it worked? That's basically every patch

>>2338909
You only keep talking about you and your local buddies mustering in the 21st century, you said nothing about what was the actual military organizational doctrine from the 15 to the 19, hell I could even myself make an argument for the spanish tercios in the 17th using central manpower pool but you had none, I brought lots of example you only talked about your experience, stfu.

>>2338910
it's the beta buddy. Everything beyond making sure the game loads on start up is beyond paradox responsibility

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>>2338904
> Forestry RGO now requires masonry instead of tools to expand.
Alright Johan lost the plot. He's losing his grip on reality, he forgets that tools are sharp and rocks are not. It's over.

>>2338891
>im so tired of seeing ludi
Stop watching gypsies, have some self respect.
>incapable of biting the hand that feeds them by calling out how broken the state of game is.
I don't know a single youtuber that does this, for any game. "Uhhh, guys, maaaybe X is not that good, this is going out of the hand of devs!"
That's the closest thing to criticism I see on pretty much every game (I personally don't follow that many so that might be only my experience).
I think they decide not to because they want to have more reach and maybe youtube actively hides criticism for being "toxic"

>>2338914
he has played too much minecraft.

>>2338909
I do understand their logic, I just don't think it has the capacity of being a definitive solution.

>>2338904
so exponentional economic growth is still in the game? it just doesn't run out of juice or does so more lately

>>2338904
haven't you played minecraft. you just punch trees for wood

>instead of removing estates spamming buildings, now they will also spam RGOs with their infinite money, meaning you as the player have no real weight in building your economy
Jesus fucking Lord, Johan you absolute nigger retard

I DON'T WANT MY ECONOMY MAXED OUT BECAUSE OF ESTATES
GIVE THEM SOMETHING TO DO BESIDES BUILD THE ENTIRE ECONOMY
THEY MAX ALL BUILDINGS AND ROADS BEFORE 1500
NOW THEY WILL MAX EVERYTHING OUT
Basically:
>>2338908

>>2338908
A bunch of reddit and forum comments said "why does money from low control disappear? thats bad!" and so they embarked on this journey to quickly redesign the fundamental levers of the game's economy with just -3 months to go before launch.

>>2338913
It's a beta, not a pre production version. There's no point if you add bugs on the very same thing you're testing

>>2337688
Player count is falling hard, they will abandon this turd in 2028 max, its not a case of dlc saving the game, they are struggling to make the base mechanics good

>>2338940
I feel like the game was somehow better on release, aside from some serious bugs they fixed. If I hadn't followed the game since then and asked for a changelog it's like
>the AI is fucked up now
>the economy crashes
>army qol (based)
>navies and armies were broke then fixed then broke then fixed(?)

>>2338940
>its not a case of dlc saving the game
You are assuming the quality of a game have any influence in the DLC sales, it doesn't, people have zero self respect and just love getting spit on their faces.

Imperium Universalis fucking when

>>2338929
If the devs had any confidence in the product they made, they wouldn't be in a state of constant knee-jerk reaction to reddit comments. Blaming the consumer for this is ridiculous.

>>2338948
I don't blame internet commenters for spewing hot takes, that's the main thing they do (see?)
It's certainly on the devs for developing their game that way. There's merit to being responsive and agile, but a chicken running around with its head cut off could also be described as "agile".

>>2338943
I don't understand why Johan is trying to change everything instead of finishing the fucking game
They're trying to do everything at the same time, it will inevitably fails

>>2338951
My last and final cope is that a chunk of the team is working on the DLC and another chunk are doing long-term backend work, and these meme balance updates are just Johan and some script monkeys spinning their wheels testing ideas.

>>2338953
Wouldn't it be the dlc team working on fundamental changes like the economic and estate change while the core team does more basic stuff? Like the changes to the vic3 economy that were as fundamental as this were in a dlc

>>2338953
>surely making vast, sweeping changes to the core game mechanics won't impact the upcoming DLC
>After all, those DLCs are already half-finished and designed around the 1.0 version of the mechanics
>What could possibly go wrong

>>2338943
>I feel like the game was somehow better on release
It was
>5 weeks of the game being playable
>fuck up the game for 6 weeks with retard aggresive AI update
>fuck up the game for 2 weeks with retard eco update
What did Tinto mean by this

Trying a Timurid campaign for the first time. Timmy just took over and I'm now ready to fuck shit up. What should I be doing?

>>2338951
Because once you start releasing DLCs, then it's over, the codebase will become worse and worse, and every change will risk being catastrophic.
It's terrible that they didn't ship a working product, but fixing the base first is the best step they could take in this situation (other than killing themselves in shame)

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>>2338955
>What could possibly go wrong
Nothing because people are stupid.

>>2338917
I don't think it's either but the issue is clearly pretty deep, outside of just "revert everything" there just isn't a solution which is the rub. There's a lot of core systems that are broken that just don't fit with the direction they clearly want to take the game in.
A small change like the RGO not requiring tools to be leveled is not a fix but it's still a good change. There shouldn't be that kind of death trap loops in the first place so removing them is good independent of it actually changing the current issue at hand.

>>2338951
>instead of finishing the fucking game
I wonder what you mean by that. Personally I think that money disappearing into the void is pretty core characteristic of an unfinished game and the change to how the money flows to estates is fundamentally good and in the right direction. It's just that the other systems aren't developed so it crashes and burns the connected systems.

>>2338960
Pick a direction to go for and just start conquering with your special CB. Good alternatives are to blob either to Europe or to China.

>>2338971
>money disappearing into the void is pretty core characteristic of an unfinished game
99% of strategy games have this

>>2338978
Very rarely in this manner

>>2338971
>Personally I think that money disappearing into the void is pretty core characteristic of an unfinished game
I disagree, because money is also created from the void. It's created and destroyed. closing the loop on one end leads to hyperinflation, which in a price-controlled setup like this creates the resource shortages.

>>2338990
Easy enough to create other money sinks. Estates could for instance just throw their money into the trash in useless personal projects. Let the nobles pay for the artist events and see how they like it.

>>2338993
>Easy enough to create other money sinks
which makes it pretty weird they haven't done it so far, do't you agreee?

>>2338997
They only just now actually gave estates money, previously estates were a deep free supply of money thanks to them having infinite money to spend on demanded goods. I don't really know what point you are trying to make, if it's "they haven't done things fast enough for you" then I guess it's true but it's not really relevant.

>>2338993
>Easy enough to create other money sinks
Yeah, like what if low control made the estates sink money on stuff that doesn't benefit the state, like maybe rebels. And the rest gets thrown in the trash like you said. it'd also incentivize the player to boost control, which should make for compelling gameplay since that's really hard to do, not like you get to build a second capital or anything. Haha... seriously why'd they think this shit over for years just to throw it away

>>2339002
If they cannot actually calculate or discover second order effects like estates with more money dumping that money into building stuff that crashes the market I think they should wait and fix the little things, like city spam, before they start restructuring the whole core of the game

>>2339010
Estates really should have an agenda of their own besides just building up your economy alongside you. Nobles should invest into their own troops so instead of levies you would get those which would make it a good reason to invest into noble loyalty. Merchants could buy fleets and sponsor pirates, clergy could send out missionaries and sponsor crusades, peasants could attempt to rebel or something. They could also support rebels that favor them and rebels in foreign countries.

>>2338997
Not releasing a decent game is weird enough

>>2339020
I mean they should mostly just buy basic consumption goods, it's ridiculous that your population demands vastly more fancy clothes than beer or wheat.
Johan if you want a fix:
>massively increase POP demand for basic RGO production goods and a couple of finished goods (beer, simple cloth, tools)
>have locations produce a lot more these finished goods based on peasants in location to represent cottage/homemade industries
>giant money production increase from non-control now compensated by massive money sink of dude peasant production lmao
>as the game progresses location production is scaled down to be represent transition to modern economy
Simple as

>>2338971
>I wonder what you mean by that
I mean everything that was advertised, like uuuh situations, events, trade companies, slaves etc?
The HYW or Japan being a broken mess has no relation with how the economy works, and I'd guess most people don't give a shit how it works as long as it does, like in the first versions

>Enfranchisement will no longer duplicate lots of wealth
>Peasant and Nobles Estates will now attempt to expand RGO's if they are granted the privileges to do so.
>Hunting RGO now requires lumber instead of tools, and Forestry RGO now requires masonry instead of tools to expand.
>Estate Powers can no longer scale below 0, and the "Plenty of opportunities" modifier is now capped at 100%.
>Exports and Imports in a Market now have the same impact on prices, so Exports no longer increase prices in a loop. (Impact of Exports was reduced from 100% to 75%; impact of Imports was increased from 25% to 75%)
>Average Control/Development modifiers to only apply for countries that have locations.
Thanks I guess

>Reworked the Return Core peace treaty so it allows you to choose whichever core of the enemy you want to return to whichever eligible country. That allows you to return cores to third parties that are not involved in the war
FUCKING FINALLY

>>2339049
>it's ridiculous that your population demands vastly more fancy clothes than beer or wheat.
That's just an imagination issue on your part. 1 unit of wheat isn't the same volume as 1 unit of gold. It's just convenient for the game to handle things in same quantities for every RGO and produce.

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>>2339061
>ai can return cores now
>doesn't matter because only big nations can expand
>coalition still doesnt work
The AI is just retarded.

>>2339069
It's mostly for your benefit, AI's fighting AI's doesn't really enter your radar in the first place. It's for the larpers that want to release billion HRE members and the power gamers that want to feed their vassals cores.

playing an observer game. 1400 and no toolapocalypse but the ottomans gpt half their country eaten by byantines and greek rebels

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>>2339074
The only time it works is against england and they still cant release nations or return cores
Not even hussites wars works.
>AI's fighting AI's doesn't really enter your radar in the first place
AI is already dumb, why would I want to see the same blob every time?

Johan won.
Apologize NOW

>>2339096
I WISH Johan won

>>2339090
Quoted me by accident?

>>2339069
why does your france only have 38 guys to levy

>>2339107
The 3 (* 12.66666666) musketeers.

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Ayyyyyyy dios mio the new flagship is sinking like the Vasa, King Johan indeed

Stop talking shit about EU5.

1.1 will save us.

Kill yourself, retard.

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>>2339134
S...sure it will, anon

1.2 where

>>2339107
they are big guys

i realized antagonism is broken now.
started new game went to claim denmarks throne ezpz. realize im getting 100 antagonism on every hre if i claim throne. it would instantly force a super coalition with france.
also naval is broken. every battle just auto resolves to nothing happening

>>2339049
its so funny any actual discussion to fix the game is happening on vst or comment section of youtube videos shitting on them. because the entire pdx forum is so toxic with either community managers banning people for correct critique or there are bootlicker shitting on anyone who doesnt praise it as the next coming of jesus.
community trannies arent doing shit to manage the forum and just ban anyone who has a sane take but allow 20+ pages of NO U NO U NO U shitposting
we all just hope johan is lurking here to fix things because pdx is such a shitshow

>>2339020
it would be cool if it was a double edged sword, nobles fielding on par with professional soldiers as men at arms. but they can become part of revolts or uprisings. a strong fedual noble force also results on you needing to placate them more.
burgers investing in light ship and naval trade as a privatized army. passive increase in maritime control.
labor funneling tithes into church who build out more churches and fund templar orders.
you can then at war rent burgers navies as a cheaper merc force.
burger should have more autonomy to invest into colonies, make burgers build control building that work as a supression of natives

>>2338914
i have never seen a lumber yard not use tools but use marble... what???
just fix the tool loop, make iron more abundant or allow more trading of it to make tools

>>2339134
J-just another u-update, I s-swear!

1.2 will save eu5, trust the plan

>>2338915
pretty much every helldiver are very open how they hate they nerf everything all the time. or how bad bots autoaim sniping is.
asmonggold have been shitting on wow for 8 years.
people were very critical of diablo 4 and its predatory mobile game.

its pretty much only parabots that glaze all the dlc slop and hotfixes.
afaik isorrow is cautiously shitting on bad naval in hoi4 and disliking vic3
lemoncake that is the only one calling out how bad eu5 is and how to fix it.

>>2339159
Maybe I'm just dumb or its a bug, but I just improved relations to the max with the strongest nations around and they never join coalitions against me because of it, formed italy in just a century conquering non-stop because france, castille, hungry and bohenia never coalitioned me

>>2339180
no the balancing is fine they need to change what the rgo buildings need like why does it take tools to make cattle
and slow down estate construction so the game isnt economically over by 1400 when the techs that allow huge resource scaling only unlock in tech 3+

>>2339186
i know liking isorrow isn't popular, but despite his reddit humor, i actually like him quite a bit. he's pretty open about his dislike for eu5 and vic3, and is openly critical of hoi4 dlcs despite being sponsored

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Why did Johan insist on craming HoI IV, Vicky 3, Imperator and CK 3 into EU V, making the game a bloated and unplayable Frankenstein's monster of a mess that pleases only the Parabots?

>>2339165
Fun fact: this problem will only get worse as the playerbase dwindles! The level-headed people will see the state of the game and check out. Maybe they'll play the game again themselves in X weeks/months/years, but they're not spending their time thinking about the game. They're not giving making bug reports, they're not giving feedback, they're not talking on forums. All that territory is quietly ceded to the most rabid minority, which increasingly takes on the appearance of a majority.

>>2339201
>Frankenstein's monster
You misspelled magnum opus

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whoops :^)

>>2339239
sheer and utter state

>>2339239
Mondays...

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>>2339239
Ah that's why my observer run was running so smoothly

>>2339239
I'm seriously concerned about Johan's mental state. Is he on heroin and blackout drunk alone in the studio doing these updates? There's no way that this multiplicative/additive shit happening over and over is just an error, it's happened several times now, and let's not forget when a + was supposed to be a -, and vice versa

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>>2339260
tehepero

>>2337691
If you make them in areas with low control, you'll actually lose money.

>>2339239
LOOKS LIKE SOMEONE HAD A CASE OF THE MONDAYS

>>2339458
But the text always says +0.47 or whatever.

>>2339599
The tooltip isn't lying, but it doesn't account for the whole picture.

Tax income is scaled by control, so even if a building makes a profit at low control, it's satisfying demand for that product in the market, lowering the cost of the good and the profit generated in higher control areas. that +0.47 can make your overall economy less profitable.

>>2338036
what mod to block estates from building?

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>>2338595
I'm making 500 ducats from trade in the Cuba + Hispaniola + Jamaica market.

Can your army replenish in tributary land? I'm thinking of doing a westward expedition from CN and I have stock up on plenty of manpower. Disloyal tributary does not matter if they are far from your capital yes?

>>2339667
damn
I just don't get it then. How do you pull your colonies up to their feet? Do you just export all 100 different essential goods from home market?

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>>2339679
Start by planning them out. You don't want them to be massive blobs with no control over most of the land.

The location you click when colonizing will get the free town and become their capital, so make sure it's on a good spot (eg natural harbors).

Send economic support, 5-10 ducats per month.

Build up their critical stuff for them, lumber, masons, tools, glass, roads, etc.

Use trade to make sure resources are available at the start. You might need to export lumber for example from another market so they don't get stalled. Send export slaves from Africa so they can populate RGO's.

Pump up your trade capacity in the market. Use 'divert trade', spam overseas trading posts, have some light ships patrolling.

I like to keep the province with the market place for myself. Urbanize it and spam market buildings.

>build a bunch of burgher buildings
>trade income collapses as they all flood out of marketplaces to populate the new buildings instead of the new buildings waiting for promotions
ok

>>2339637
Just on workshop same name, block estate buildings, it makes them just do the buildings like tool castle etc

>1487 England
>check values
>5,08 towards naval
Last time I checked it was around 49. I wonder what happened there? Too many battles on land?

>>2339818
Why do euros use a comma instead of a period for decimal points?

I found out just now that you can rename locations
>This location is not owned by us, but by colony of...
oh...
I guess all my colonial markets stay as afghsadflkgjhsg then

>>2339818
hard locked requiring 50 for the naval proximity reform, unable to get it if u field any army
auto ticks down from whatever and deletes reform.
no option to have a % scaling effect so u keep 94% of said reform
perma breaks denmark, norway, portugal, aragon, england, naples, venice.
isnt adressed all in bugs

game is so broken in the 1000 other directions devs dont even bother fixing core mechanics to nations

>>2339260
there is a 90% chance he is vibe coding with ai
or junior devs are and he just approves merges

>>2339215
we are already in imperator territory arent we...
i guess its already over

>>2339823
Wait til you find out why Israel doesn't use + addition

>>2339697
So that's what happens

Why don't you guys want your estates to build bad buildings? Part of the game is conquering your estates who are always trying to undermine you or at least leech off of you.

Do you guys want estates to just be completely loyal and obedient from day 1? That's not what they're supposed to represent.

>>2339896
We want the estates not to purposefully destroy their nation's economy.

>>2339900
We intentionally built it wrong, as a joke.

>>2339896
We tolerated shitty state buildings for obvious reasons, nobody was complaining about those, it's like the other anon said, we just want the states to not ruin our game (in stupid ways at least)

i started a new game on the new beta, watched the nobles upgrade my iron rgo 6 times asap then nothing else until i got bored and quit after the black death

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Last minute cancelling your scheduled discussion with the community about what you're doing to improve the game is good, right?

>>2339942
I'd rather they spend their time fixing the game though

I just don't understand why I have these wild swings in my income each month. There's never any obvious reason for it. One month I'm making 20 ducats from taxing my nobles, and the next I'm making 0.14 ducats from them even though their satisfaction hasn't changed from 50% at all.

>>2339942
That's not what that says

>>2339950
The total income can vary wildly based on trades, taxes shouldn't jump up and down though as the things that effect them change slowly. Are you on the new patch? Something may just be bugged.
Well unless you are like China and that 20 is from 1% tax rate and it goes between 0 and 1 in which case that's I suppose normal.

>>2339942
Yes. I don't care, go fix your game.

>>2339965
>Are you on the new patch?
Not him but that was also my experience since day one, granted my understanding of eu5 eco is better now but I still see that happening consistently

>>2340019
With taxes? You must be doing something wrong since it does just work on my machine.

>>2339950
Sometimes the estates just don't feel like paying taxes and I think it's unfair of you to put this much pressure on them.

>>2339950
Build more marketplaces. Once you reach a certain trade dominance your income becomes much more stable (or at least, it stops dipping 200 in the negative on the monthly tick)

>>2340058
Where should I build a marketplace building? Should I just spam them everywhere?

>>2340065
Yeah it's one of the only buildings where location control doesn't matter, because your share of the income determined by crown power instead. So you can dump them in an a non-core 10% control shithole and still get the benefits.

>>2340065
Yup, everywhere. It's even better to spread them, so the promotion gets faster.

>>2340123
I wish someone made a tier list or a text guide on what buildings to prioritize so I can learn this without asking... I've been spamming hospitals and shit because I read it on here once.

>>2340125
can't be done until johan stops dramatically changing the core gameplay with every hotfix

>>2340020
>With taxes?
No idea, don't know how to check it, I mean, I can see the revenue of the current month but not the former, right?

>>2340136
why does it take them this long to understand it was a shitty idea

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>>2340125
Try to follow the production chain, for example when you spam markets (except on your capital, that's a waste of building slots) you will have a lot of burgers, burger pops buy fine cloth from you, so the more burgers you have the more of that industry you can make because it will always be profitable (just make it in towns with high control please). Now you have to check what materials you need to make fine cloth, it's different to make fine cloth in Germany than to make it in China, so build a lot of those too, this time you don't need to pay control that much attention because RGOs introduce products to the market regardless of control, with worker buildings you need to pay more attention to control and market access because these two affects the building efficiency.
All of this makes it important to have a big chunk of market share, that's why we build markets, and also for you to have your own market in your capital, so make sure to create one or force market relocation through war.

>>2340136
NO SHIT

I thought Oman would be a comfy trading country but it's just dirt poor sand dwellers with terrible terrain

>>2340125
Most buildings are totally interchangeable and you just build the ones that have the biggest green number next to them.
Only the "effect buildings" as in the ones that don't just make money directly (market, hospital etc) have a modicum of thought that you may have to put in to figure out when and where to make them and with those it's more or less that you want them all where ever you can build them except granaries and maybe port authorities or what ever that one was called.
Hospitals are good and you do want to spam them but you don't want to do that until you are swimming in money, that means you don't build them in the early game except in your capital (for the lifespan bonus). Markets mostly make a lot of money so making them early is good idea. Military buildings should be maxed out when ever possible so long as there's enough pops to go around. Libraries, universities and temples are must for every urban location etc.
With the effect buildings your primary limit is just money, they are better individually than any given burgher building but stress your state budget if you try to build them too early your economy stalls.

>>2339165
99% discussion in pdx forums is about mission trees vs simulation, "i don't want heckin' vic2/3 economy", map painters' whining and the start date

Also, buildings like armories use a lot of monthly resources to have production, which makes them expensive to maintain at first glance but since that generates demand and you can just produce those resources it ends up being beneficial to your revenue. Anyways, feel free to build those in locations without worrying about control because the point of those buildings is to generate demand for your markets.

>>2339239
>>2340136
his posts are doing the opposite of reassuring me there's actually a plan

>>2340175
bro... your sound tolls? you should be making bank

>>2340208
That's Hormuz on the other side of the strait... I took all their Arabian lands and their market, maybe I can get some money to build my first building or rgo now
Boats are still a distant dream

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Alright lads. I haven’t played the game for a couple months because life got busy. I had fun with the initial release but it had some issues. Thinking about playing it again. Has Godhan perfected it yet or what? Reviews on steam went to mixed. What happened?

>>2338929
Isn’t that what would happen though? Wouldn’t nobles waste excess money on random bullshit that doesn’t help anyone (ie disappear into a blackhole)? I hate redditors.

>>2340272
It's gradually gotten worse and more broken over time with every update. Performance is worse

>>2340297
How? Is the AI still not doing stuff?

>>2337691
Build RGOs everywhere, build most buildings only in your capital until you can't anymore and then go to the next closest/high control city

>>2339950
You're automating trade

>>2340272
Beta patch looks promising, wait for it to actually release in a couple weeks.

Im playing Muscovy and colonizing the parts of the Urals that have all the iron/gold. After thats done whats the best things to do so i can start populating it better to take advantage of the RGO's? Is it really just sticking a cabinet member on promoting migration? Take note that the lands will still be isolated since im still integrating Perm.

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Not bad

>>2340125
Europa Universalis V is a city building game where the only place you construct anything profitable is in your own mega metropolis and the rest is endless wasteland with zero control where you just spam marketplaces and barracks

>>2340383
I knew it

>>2340383
now you get 4+2 extra mini-metropolises to spam buildings in with the new governors, for that mold spore look

>players actively refuse to build outside high control areas to minmax
>to make a bit more realistic estates build elsewhere as realistic no nation would only have building in the capital lol
>niggas get mad their nightcity economy crashes and cry for pdx to change it again

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Should I play as Castile or Portugal?

>>2340393
When I played a couple months back, I did what everyone said and built only in my capital and got penalties for it. So I built in a bunch of other places too because I had money to spend. Do people just sit with millions in the bank and only build on their capital? It takes a while for the limit to go up with population, doesn’t it?

>>2340393
it's more about the frequency of what they build and that there's no strategy put into what they build
They just throw up whatever shit produces the most income in the brief milisecond when the decision was made

>>2340399
This is just about production buildings, building that generate effects like literacy, soldiers or demand are still worth if you can tank their hit

>>2340399
build infrastructure where you can for proximity / control
build production in cities (prioritizing the capital and high control areas)
mass expand RGOs based on expected profits

>>2340402
Vic2 capitalists are back

>>2340399
>capital surrounded by locations with high control
>don't build in them because it's not literally the capital
are you stupid?

>>2340394
Morocco

>>2340399
Its not the literal capital only, its the whole metropolitan area where you will have 90+ control

>>2340404
>>2340406
>>2340409
>>2340412
I had so much money that my main metropolis couldn’t keep up and I ended up building basically everything in areas with half control (obviously bringing control up where I could). I thought it’d be retarded to just have money sit and not do anything when I could consistently build up my tax base overall even though it was less efficient.

>>2340415
You're going to gain more control over those areas eventually

>>2340415
And I should clarify, I DID build in the towns and cities next to my capital with high control. But even they didn’t keep up after a while.

I kinda hate this build cities everywhere meta.

>>2340415
The problem with that is specially early if you can knock prices down because items go to market regardless while also paying full maintnance on buildings who make no profit at all, this can kill an economy by reducing profits from the high control areas while increasing expenses on the rest

>>2340420
just don't follow the meta?
it's a single player game

>>2340420
There's a city or town where 99% of humans live though, and most municipalities have a rural area in them, the whole thing is stupid, populations should be a marker alone for building slots

>>2338890
>t. greasy faggot who actually defends the 1337 start/entire first two new eras.

Get the fuck out of my series, you dopey cock holster. The start should be 1453

>>2340459
go play vanilla EU3, rajbinder

>>2340436
>make an in-depth character system
>only use it for basic, shallow mechanics
>make an in-depth pops system
>only use it for basic, shallow mechanics
Hilarious that EU5 is both too ambitious and not ambitious enough.

>>2340460
Interesting, I'm advocating for the Renaissance and you're advocating for an awkward pre-actual time period encompassing CK dogshit. Maybe HoI 5 should start in 1835.

Cunt.

>>2340299
>Is the AI still not doing stuff?
In the current live patch it's the opposite, its super aggressive. France and Bohemia are unstoppable blobs by 1400. In the current beta for the newest patch (1.1) the economy is completely broken, cultural assimilation is basically gone, as is pop promotion

>>2340436
It is still a game though, it needs mechanics, the problem is more that rn there's basically zero advantages to have towns and at high populations cities beat rural locations for rgo size lol, which historically makes sense since a lot of cities got high population thanks to gold rush oil rush

>>2340469
jotran's creative capacity melts the moment he comes up with anything other than good ol modifierslop with bad naming convention

Direct control or colonial countries in west and south africa?

So has the toolpocalypse been solved yet?

>early vic2 machine parts shortage, late game iron shortage, braindead capitalists
>look behind, made by (((johan)))
>early euv tools shortage, late lumber and iron shortage, braindead estates
>made by (((johan)))
What did he meant by this

>>2340737
Never colonized, but aren't colonies good as long as you build commercial post I'm their lands?

>>2340740
Already fixed for 1.12

>>2340737
Control market center, rest release as colonial nation

>>2340759
Its 1.1.2 and I'm glad.

>>2340765
>its ma'am

NEW PATCH

>>2340470
You mad bro?

>>2340795
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/threads/1-1-3-update-for-open-beta.1901318/
THEY FIXED EVERYTHING

>>2340797
They nerfed free subjects quite a lot.

>>2340797
They always say that, give a few hours and a rain of new exploits and bad design appears on plebbit

Alternate start dates when, I can forgive them not having the full calendar of start dates like 4 had but a few more options would be cool, like the EU4 start date, maybe the American independence war start date that EU4 had an achievement tied to

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>>2340797
Freshly baked new spicy hotfix, boys. This is the one, I'm telling you. Smooth sailing from here on out, guys.

>frogposter
I shan't care.

>>2340797
>W-WE FIXED GUYS, I S-SWEAR THIS TIME IS FIXED!
Just one more hotfix and it will be good

>>2340808
Just two would be good already, the normal one and one very at the middle like 17th century, maybe start of the 30 years war or something, its very clear the systems.the game has dont offer a good 500 years campaign and would be better split as everyone stops around the 16th anyway

>>2340797
>You can load the save game from 1.0.X versions, but our testing indicated that you will probably encounter your country in an unrecoverable state due to how many rules of the game have changed. For this reason, we highly recommend starting a new save with 1.1 beta!
>almost entirely economic buffs
or maybe they mean this for people who weren't already in the previous Beta

>>2340808
let them fix this mess of a game first, before focusing attention on stuff nobody would realistically play

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economy rework is NOT a priority, chuds

>>2340810
Since you bothered to make a post, obviously you do. Now get back to the trenches and defend the slop you're served by Johan with all your might. And you even do it for FREE

>>2340821
what's there to rework?

>>2340820
I think people would do, pdx made too many start dates for euiv and for that reason abandoned them, if they did only 2 or 3 and actually took care of them I guess most people would play as they do in ck3 because the std start date most finish the game in just 200 years so another well cared date would be played for change alone

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My tech tree disappeared, every other age still has it show up except this one

>>2340826
Oh wait I see I somehow ended up zoomed far in on an empty space

>>2340829
Silly goose

>>2340759
Not true, they just delayed it, it keeps happening just slower instead on the first 50 years
>>2340393
I would be ok with this maybe if estates building all that crap at least meant they are the ones paying for the maintnance not me, why the hell the crown pays maintnance for some shit building a retard estate built in a 0 control shithole????

>free subjects gutted
I'm so fucking tired of pendulum fixes every other patch. Nobody asked for this nerf. There's 10.000 different issues they should tackle first and they focus on nonsensical balancing. Is it just smokescreen? Do these retards think before they publish anything?

>>2340857
The buffs to free subjects were absolutely nutty of course it was going to be immediately nerfed.

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>>2340857
At this point I'm starting to believe it's intentional, that they're making lightning rods so there's no focus on the important, intentional, changes being made. For example: I have not seen a single screenshot or comment of a player who has 3+ governor buildings in their empire talking about how it plays or feels. In fact the only discussion I've seen about the governors is that many countries can't get the gold they need to build them in the first place, or that the rules for naval govs are poorly stated. The idea didn't exist in 1.0, it's barely discussed in 1.1 beta because of extremely avoidable problems, and once 1.1 goes live they'll say they've invested too much into the idea to scrap it, but maybe they can fit in some balance tweaks for 1.2.

This is your punishment for not liking Johan's complacency mechanic. Players kept telling us our ideas are bad, so instead of making our ideas good we'll make them too busy to talk about it at all. We know you'll buy our DLC anyway

>>2340857
Nobody asked for values d e s u. If they don't even know what to do with them maybe leave them like they were at release? Can't remember if they were good or bad, I only know that offensive and defensive is stupid because you have to pick between defensive or having castle made of cheese.

>>2340877
>This is your punishment for not liking Johan's complacency mechanic.
Wait what, they were bitching about complacency? Wtf, the whole idea was to have something to do after blobbing.

>>2340888
Paradox cultivated a certain audience with Goi4 and EU4 that can't handle any possible setback
All they want is to blob endlessly and complete some heckin quirk chungus achievements with the meme OPM of the week

>>2340857
The prosperity loss stinks but the pop promotion speed is still really nice when you're shifting to growing the industry. Who cares about the levy combat cause by the time you get it to a high enough level to matter you should be fielding a bunch of regulars anyway.

>>2340887
>Nobody asked for values
Nah values are great

>Johan is currently viewing the 1.1.3 thread
I think sooner or later he will snap when people complaining about yet another unpopular meta extreme balance change and commit a mass bombing in his Barcelona HQ.

>>2340902
Johan joining the 41% after popular uprising against tinto when

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>>2340888
>>2340893
You niggers are retarded. The initial pitch of complacency was ruinously bad and deserved mockery. The AI in this game is braindead - Russia already never forms unless the player does it, now you're arguing that the AI of large countries needs to be utterly crippled so it's easier for you to kill them. The player would game away the consequences with vassal swarming, the AI would do nothing and turn into a piñata to be smashed. Yet it's everyone else that's a blobber afraid of challenge.

>>2340904
retard

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he's not taking it well, is he?

>>2340908
Paracuck forum is worse than plebbit this days, he should watch vst for actual feedback

>>2340911
>he should watch vst for actual feedback
Its /vst/ first of all. And no he shouldn't. Its always nothing but doomposting here.

>>2340908
>studio manager is viewing thread where people post feedback for latest patch
OH MY GOD HE'S LITERALLY ON SUICIDE WATCH LMAO
you're a fucking retard

>>2340916
>its ma'am

this
>>2340916
In just couple of posts we have people with objectively horrible takes about values (not knowing which ones are even good), complacency (it fucking turbo sucked) and this whole "johan is looking at a thread = bad" posting

>>2340921
>fucking newfag doesn't even know how to spell board names

>>2340923
>In just couple of posts we have people that proven johan should listen to vst