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>>42032513
... you guys were supposed to notice the difference between crop circles and animal mutilations. We're making things super obvious for you right now

>>42032513
chickens don't beg for their life.

>>42032513
You'll do nothing, spacenigger.

>>42032595
They do. They don't plead for their life because they can't talk to us. They clearly don't want to die.

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>>42032595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKU8j-XUfUQ

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>>42032601
they don't

>>42032519

Vegetables and grain production kill countless numbers of animals.

>>42032735
ok boomer

>>42032513
Animals can’t create civilizations, write literature, compose symphonies, create fine art. Pigs are nothing more than the bacon next to my eggs and toast; fuel I can use to do something actually important, which farm animals are incapable of. Conditions are horrible in slaughterhouses, but I'm not eating it so why care? I’ll happily leave the Walmart Americans to enjoy their shit smeared high cortisol chicken.

>>42033062
ok boomer

>>42032513
People on Earth would be more likely than evolved people.

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>>42032513
I'm sure the farm animals said the same thing to each other about their relationship with the humans.

Dumbass.

>>42032735
are you a nigger ? serious question btw

>>42033062
and you can? lol show those symphonies or yours and all this fine art that you contribute. faggot you are a parasite.

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>>42033168
that's just the nonsense every boomer and boomer adjacent reflexively spits out when someone suggests it might be a good idea to treat our surroundings slightly better

>>42032735
Yes. And then meat production that exact same number of grain harvesting and this dead animals - and multiplies the amount of deaths a hundredfold.
If the complaint is dead animals, then there is no possibility of meat harvesting being better.
But that isn't your complaint. You are just a retard saying retarded things.

Unfortunately such a scenario is not hypothetical in nature. There is good reason to believe that aliens abduct, kill, and mutilate humans in the most horrific ways imaginable, including skinning them alive. https://badaliens.info/

I must warn you, if you do not already have an incredibly bleak view of the world the information contained on the website WILL traumatize you. Exposure to such information gave me first-hand experience with lovecraftian madness.

OP, many of the animals humans eat in turn also eat other animals if they are given the opportunity. Chickens eat worms, horses are known to occasionally eat small birds. Even vegan diets sometimes require the deaths of other animal beings due to crop protection and tiny creatures run over by tractors and the like. Humans are not unique in their regard to killing and devouring other species. "Justice" through retribution would probably require extinction of the entire planet. Punishment is ultimately not a tenable ideal to uphold. If you want to uphold compassion for all species, humans are ultimately animals as well and should not be excluded. It is hypocritical to excuse the wolf for eating sheep but condemn the man. If you want to care about all species take a Buddhist perspective or something.

>>42033417
Ok boomer. Your childlike view of the world is so tiresome. You can't actually be that dumb, can you? This is borderline retarded. You have a disability. Boomerism is a disease.

>>42032513
I don't condone that and am powerlrss to stop it. No they don't.

>>42032513
Humans need meat, it's why vegans are so weak and sickly. I could snap you like a twig you little bitch.

>>42032513
There's no reason to believe that you can predict the morals of extraterrestrials in any way beyond the bear minimum necessary to build interplanetary spacecraft

They may be vegans, they may each other (when they die of old age), they likely won't want to eat people, but they may consider us a delicacy. No way to tell

>>42033442
No you couldn't you fat fuck. I eat meat too. This whole thread isn't even about veganism but the demonic boomer factory farm enjoyers are so guilty they screech and scream if there's even a whiff of someone saying their daily animal holocaust might be morally wrong and unsustainable

>>42033442
nah you just need keep paying taxes and going to work. every one can eat less meat, the concept of the large slabs and more, is something forced upon the populous by advertising and lobbying.
yeah beef tallow is going to save this country, yeah raw milk, leather, natural gelatins. its all greed.

>>42033462
Chickens should be mandatorily free-range. Battery farms should be illegal

Chick masceration should be illegal. Not because it hurts the chick's (it's so instantaneous as to be virtually painless), but because the negative psychological effects of living in a society that does that (not to mention people who have to work there) are not very good at all

Gassing would be less visually horiffic and no less painless, but even that's increasingly unnecessary because we can increasingly induce female offspring in hens and scan a chick's sex in the egg

>>42033463
We need less people, so that we can eat more high quality meat cheaper with better lifestyles for the animals

Free vasectomies for the third world

>>42033471
we need the tower in half life 2 that keeps people from procreating, for like ten years

>>42033478
Only non-Europeans or non-Japanese

>>42032513
you first, in your cage

>>42033486
ERRRRVYONE
we don't need more hicks and white trash either

>>42032513
this would be on a per basis.
i'm on a carnivore diet, but the cows i eat are free range and grass fed.
in the swiss mountains, they aren't even behind fences, so sometime they cross the small roads and you have to slow down.

they got it better than me prolly.
they just have to eat grass and chill.

i have to work a meaningless 9 to 5 to afford basic necessities.

>>42033568
>the cows i eat are free range and grass fed
All this does is abstract the exorbitant deaths and suffering required for a few cows to have that amount of range at a price you can afford.

>>42033190
I’m finishing my masters this semester then applying for my doctorate. Nice projection leech.

>>42033692
you are a retard.
a single cow can feed you for almost a decade.
all they eat is grass.
so that's about one life every 10 years if that's all you eat.

if you eat from crop monoculture you directly result in hundreds of animal death per year.

>at a price you can afford
i pay my meat 120$ per kg, yes it's not cheap, i don't care.

>>42033692
>>42033708
also land isn't that expansive and cows can turn land that would be otherwise unusable into food.

you can't do agriculture on a lot of terrain that can grow grass.

>>42032519
>most alien sightins worldwide are in Latin America
>but they won't touch meat-eaters
Are they looking for that rare White liberal tourist that only eats beggies and onions? Because NO ONE is going to deprive Hispanics of their barbecued meats. That's worth more to them than gold. And I don't blame them. I've tasted their barbecue. It really is that good.

>>42033708
>a single cow can feed you for almost a decade.
Only true if you're taking the milk to produce lots of cheese with.

>i pay my meat 120$ per kg, yes it's not cheap, i don't care.
I spent $41 for 2 pounds of smoked brisket yesterday and am having it for dinner tonight. That same amount of meat costed $10 before Biden got into office and the WEF declared that we have too much farting cattle, so we need to "protect the environment" with a shitload of "natural animal flu" outbreaks to cull the herd (while importing millions more mouths to feed).

It better be real wood-smoked, and not that nasty chemical-tasting "wood-smoke flavored" bullshit.

>>42033062
>Animals can’t create civilizations, write literature, compose symphonies, create fine art.
Neither can most humans, only the ones with talent.

>>42032601
Animals do yearn to keep lilving, but do not yearn for freedom. This is why vegetarianism (still eating animal biproducts, but not their flesh) is an ethical diet. Eating shellfish is also ethical, because they have no brains or cognitive function.

>>42033442
Humans need animal protein, yes, which can be obtained through eggs, dairy, and shellfish, all of which don't require killing sentient creatures.

>>42033734
>Only true if you're taking the milk to produce lots of cheese with.
the meat can feed you for over a year.
you can add another 6 month if you eat organs and bone marrow.
if you add milk products you get to a decade.
>before Biden
i live in switzerland, so not quite the same thing.
still, thinking cows contribute to global warming is extremely retarded, they lie in your face and it's easy to disprove that they are bad for the environment.

grass fed cows are actualy one of the best things for the environment.

>It better be real wood-smoked
dunno, i don't buy prepared food, i just buy my meat in bulk, including some organs and bone marrow, it's a mixed batch i get from the farmer.
i then cook it myself or eat it like that.

>>42033746
>talent
talent helps but with enough training even the most retarded of us generaly can make something that's not too bad.

>>42032513
Picrel thumbnail looks like a sphincter. OP is an anus

>>42032513
No they wouldn't.

You're a fucking retard. Lmfao.
Go, point to the plant that has equal protein distribution and is capable of feeding 8 billion.

I'll wait.

>>42032513
And someone higher than the aliens would be morally justified in treating aliens the way aliens treat human animals.

>>42032595
Human babies don’t beg their parents or “doctor” not to circumcise them
Humans born permanently and severely mentally handicapped and unable to reason do not beg for their lives

>>42032735
Yes but it’s less then animal agriculture

Vegetables and grain production and transportation kill countless numbers of humans too.

Do you have evidence there’s more suffering, death or rights violations on an acre of wheat fields then an acre of wild land?

>but grass fed

Almost all animal products are grain fed. If you are cherry picking the 1% of animal products that are pasture raised I can cherry pick the 1% of plant products that are farmed veganic

>>42033062
https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait#Language

Another named trait could possibly be 'civilization/culture', with the argument that it's OK to eat/harm animals because they have neither, while we do.
This is another arbitrary line that has no bearing on morality, and while a species being able to have a civilization would show that they are high on the sentience spectrum, the lack of it wouldn't entail lack of moral worth.
For civilization, A could say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a civilization but X does.
P2. Humans have a civilization, but farmed animals do not.
C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.
B could then say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a civilization but X does.
P2. People in the west have a civilization, but tribes and a lot of third worlders do not.
C1. It's morally OK for people in the west to eat/harm tribes and a lot of third worlders.

>>42033959
>>42033062
For culture, A could say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.
P2. Humans have a culture, but farmed animals do not.
C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.
Culture is not a trait that is unique to humans - chimpanzees, for example, have developed quite strong cultural habits. Not only culture is present in animals, as a lot of species have some level of customs and learned traditions, but culture has no reason to be a moral line that determines what has moral value and what doesn't.
B could then say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.
P2. Adult humans have a culture, but baby humans do not.
C1. It's morally OK for adult humans to eat/harm baby humans.
Or:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have a culture but X does.
P2. Chimpanzees have a culture, but some mentally disabled humans do not.
C1. It's morally OK for chimpanzees to eat/harm some mentally disabled humans.
The argument usually turns out to be, again, 'might makes right', which is easily shown as something absurd that doesn't hold by bringing in the context super-intelligent AIs/aliens and giving them dominion over humans for their 'superiority'.
>>42033157
Moral agency is the ability of a being to be able to distinct between morally right and wrong, and make moral judgements.
While the majority of animals do not really have moral agency, some show very high levels of empathy similar to the level of humans, that make them act in the best interests of other animals - such as whales, elephants, and primates.
However, there's no reason why the ability to have moral agency should define moral value.

>>42033157
>>42033963
When moral agency is named as a trait, A could say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.
P2. Humans have moral agency, and farmed animals do not.
C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm farmed animals.
B could then say:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.
P2. Elephants have some sort of moral agency, and human babies have no moral agency.
C1. It's morally OK to allow elephants to eat/harm human babies.
Or:
P1. It's morally OK for X to eat/harm Y, if Y doesn't have moral agency but X does.
P2. Humans have moral agency, and dogs to not.
C1. It's morally OK for humans to eat/harm dogs.
C2. Dogs have no moral value in respect to humans.
C3. It's morally OK for an infinite amount of dogs to be tortured to death on the whim of a person.
This is a similar argument to naming the trait 'intelligence' (above).
The quality of having moral agency is an arbitrary, unjustified line to determine whether something should be given moral consideration or not, as beings that do not possess moral agency are still sentient (ability to feel, perceive and experience subjectively).
This usually turns out to be another case of 'might makes right' (X has Z quality that is not present in Y = X>Y). If anything, having moral agency entails more responsibility in regards to morality, not a clean slate of doing whatever we want to the sentient beings that do not have an arbitrary quality.
>>42033417

It’s also unfortunate when animals kill each other
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yWvQRwen8ag

>>42033436
You have power to reduce it

An individual consumer buying or boycotting meat causes extra animals to be bred into existence and tortured

https://philarchive.org/rec/MCMAIO

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=brKhhZlUoOc (Only first few minutes of this video are relevant)

https://benthams.substack.com/p/the-causal-inefficacy-objection-is

And the comments and back and forth of this for any objections you may have to the efficacy of individual boycott of real meat which have already been debunked https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateAVegan/comments/1otuhqv/individual_boycott_of_meat_does_matter/

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>>42033708
>if you eat from crop monoculture you directly result in hundreds of animal death per year.

FALSE https://www.surgeactivism.org/articles/debunked-do-vegans-kill-more-animals-through-crop-deaths

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>>42033985
>>42033708
More evidence debunking extremely exaggerated crop death claims https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEu9B67MBI

>>42032735
If you cared about crop deaths as much as you claim to, you would want to end animal farming. After all, about two thirds of the crops grown in the US are grown for animal feed.

>>42032513
>Unsanitary, inhumane factory farms.
>Used to mass produce meat for fast food chains and walmarts.
>Consumer doesn't see the animal suffer and never thinks about where the meat comes from.
If everyone had to raise and slaughter their own livestock, they would understand the weight of their sacrifice. I am not against eating meat, but as a species we consume far too much. Another cog in the machine of suffering ((they)) have built, a world upheld up by seven deadly sins.

>>42032519
Are eggs, milk, and honey fine? I am willing to give up meat, just not for aliens.

>>42032519
Kys fag

>>42032513
No they wouldnt. See, men arent justified either. But i get your point

>>42032735
animals that live 100% of their lives in absolute misery never seeing the sun vs some mice that get to live outside and eat grain in a field wow amazing gotcha way to prove OP's point dumb fuck

>>42034084
Eggs, milk, honey, wool, etc are fine

>>42034084
Farmers famously never eat meat

I fully I admit I am evil and eat animals for pleasure. You can not touch me

>>42033462
>>42033421
>>42033070
boomer derangement syndrome. Maybe it will be fixed when you are getting blamed for everything in your old age

>>42032513
If aliens can't tell the difference between a human and an animal, or at least provide a HEALTHY alternative then I don't want to deal with those egotistical fucks.

>>42032513
It's true.
Humanity is strogg
>crabmurderconveyorbelt.webm

>>42034179
ok boomer

some say aliens are more advanced than humans
but what if humans are more advanced than aliens?
what if aliens haven't even gotten good space travel yet?

>>42032513
We're carnivores

>>42032513
why would supremely intelligent, perfect beings use this microcosmic logic on lesser beings that were created without a say in the matter?
if they're so perfect and smart and better than us, why wouldn't they just make it not retarded? you know the thing about architecture or building a reality is that you want to do it right the first time.
so this is just a garden where we are grown to be eaten, human beings are retarded only because this would be advantageous to the predators and none of this shit on Earth ever mattered.

>>42034272
We are opportunistic eaters

Nutrients' may be used to try and justify eating animals, but it wouldn't even classify as a trait difference since human meat would have nutrients as well.
The 'nutrients' argument can factually be shown as wrong by explaining that all the nutrients a human requires can be found in plant-based foods, without the downsides of animal products.
A could say:
P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.
P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.
P3. Animals have the nutrients that humans require to survive.
C1. Humans are justified in eating animals.
B could then say:
P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.
P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.
P3. Other humans have the nutrients that humans require to survive.
C1. Humans are justified in eating humans.
The logical process isn't sound, and simply adding another premise would make it apparent as to why.
P1. X is justified in eating Y if it's needed for survival.
P2. Humans need nutrients to survive.
P3. Animals have the nutrients that humans require to survive.
P4. Animals are not the only food source that has the nutrients that humans require to survive.
C1. Animals as a food source are not needed for humans' survival, so P1. doesn't apply.
C2. P1. doesn't justify humans eating animals.
Simply explaining P4. will show how this argument makes no sense. If the interlocutor/s argue that survival/necessity doesn't matter and nutrients alone is a justification to eat anything, than a reduction ad absurdum (as shown above) can be made, and they'll have to admit that it's morally OK for humans to cannibalize.

>>42033763

No, humans are fine without it, better in fact, normally at least. And how do you know if shellfish are not sentient? Boilling lobsters alive is effed up.

>>42034320
Jewish fake soience vegan argument for the goyim.

>>42034119

Milk and eggs from factory farms is just as bad.

>>42034337

Even though ZEE JUICE!!! push meat on us all the time, they totally want us vegan even though they put babies in our food.

>>42034323
Milk is fine for higher evolved beings like white people.

Veganism and veg are psyops to keep you mentally physically and spiritually weak. Que veg fags pointing to some vegan bodybuilder- look! Yeah if every person ate and shit that much just to keep their brain from starving due to lack of fats third world would starve. 40 bananas a day vs a few eggs, some milk and meat and sparse veg and you will be set.

>>42034351
Ok brown schizo retard. Enjoy brain damage which you clearly already have.

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>Anakin: Master, sir, I heard Yoda talking about midichlorians. I’ve been wondering, what are midichlorians?

>Qui-Gon Jinn: Midichlorians are a microscopic life form that resides within all living cells.

>Anakin: They live inside me?

>Qui-Gon Jinn: Inside your cells, yes. And we are symbionts with them.

>Anakin: Symbionts?

>Qui-Gon Jinn: Life forms living together for mutual advantage. Without the midichlorians, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force. They continually speak to us telling us the will of the Force.

>>42034356

I meant in terms of being effed up. Also, are the tribes in Africa that most drink milk(with blood) white?

>>42034374

IDK, the SAD does not seem to be working out so great.

>>42034356
>>42034393
industrialized dairy production requires cows to be forcibly impregnated over and over again while their babies are stripped away from them and subjected to the same fate. its our insanely cruel methods of meat production, as well as egg and dairy production that i think aliens would be appalled by.

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>>42034419
A twitch streamer was recently allegedly hugged without her consent. She says she's a victim of sexual assault and has received emotional damages, people are talking about lawsuits and extremely large amounts of money being owed to her by the man who allegedly hugged her and twitch itself for failing to adequately protect her. The laws in the United States seem to be written in such a litigious way she may have a case and be owed hundreds of thousands of dollars.
But this twitch streamer who was allegedly assaulted isn't vegan. She regularly pays for hens to be debeaked without anesthetic, male chicks to be thrown into blenders on their birthday, piglets to be castrated without anesthetic, pigs to be put in gas chambers, cows and calves to be separated right after birth, pigs and cows to be raped / artificially inseminated, etc etc.
Isn't it hypocritical for her to say she's a victim and deserves restitution (like a lawsuit and money being given to her by twitch and the man who allegedly assaulted her) and retribution ( like the man who allegedly assaulted her being imprisoned) while she is paying for so many animals to be horribly abused?

I think this woman doesn't deserve a penny in restitution. I believe all of her property down to the clothes on her back should be confiscated from her, liquidated and given to HER victims.
https://animalcharityevaluators.org/
https://sharkonline.org/
http://anonymousforthevoiceless.org/

>but murder isn't that bad
ALL MURDERERS SHOULD DIE IN PRISON.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OR_Bn9SRXNU

>but how do you know animals can feel pain?

We can assume other adults, children and some animals can feel pain based on things like brain structures they have and behaviors. Claiming pigs, piglets, cows etc can't feel pain is really no different then claiming babies who are circumcised without anesthetic can't feel pain. (Obviously it's also immoral with anesthetic)

>>42034323
>And how do you know if shellfish are not sentient?
Clams, oysters, etc. have no brains and therefor couldn't possibly be sentient.
Shrimp have brains that are way too small for any degree of complex thought.

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>In its inclusion of all nature, the old Mazdean religion even in its pre-Zoroastrian roots, is notable, for the Magi taught that all life, not merely the human, had a higher destiny. This was a basic Mazdean tenet, extending not only to animals but plants as well, and even crystals and minerals. Indeed, at the end of "the time of the long domination by evil", all the life of the earth is due to be transfigured. –Grail Most Ancient, Musaios, House of Horus, 1993

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>>42034947
nta

Shrimp may be able to suffer I’m not sure

I think oysters can’t

https://benthams.substack.com/p/lyman-stone-continues-being-dumb

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0MHshBjRTX4

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>Our race evolved from a specific cosmic impulse which produces a particular evolutionary strain or genotype. This primary impulse formulated the genetic code that shaped us into the species we ultimately became. For your visualization, the nearest description would be a feline genus appearing as a cross between your domestic cat and the lion family, but our features are more refined. Our jaws are less elongated and our ears less rounded than your lions. We stand erect on two legs as tall or taller than yourselves, our bodies having been adapted to this posture over a long period of time. The males of our species are maned, but not our females. Our paws have also evolved to a more useful shape over long periods of adaptation.

>In answer to the question I see forming in your mind, yes we do have tails.

>We were distinguishable by our colour and eyes. My tribe were brownish or fawn in colour with bright blue eyes. The warriors were orange-eyed and sandy in hue, like your lions or marmalade cats. The artists were pale, white or greyish, and green or turquoise-eyed, while the strong folk were a mixture of all shades, and often striped. When we first started our course of evolution we were fur covered, but later we clothed ourselves for decoration rather than modesty. Our planet was very sparsely inhabited, only certain parts of it being warm enough to live in. One of these belts of vegetation was quite lush, while the other was similar in temperature to parts of northern Europe. Our bodies had evolved to accommodate the temperatures encountered on our native planet, so we managed well.

>I would like to give you a little of our history and background so that you have an idea as to what sort of intelligences you are dealing with.

>>42034397
Industrial agriculture regardless of your stance on meat vs veg diet will always produce vastly inferior results if health is your goal. But you knew that already…

>>42032513
I don't think "morally justified" is even a thing outside of the human mental construct.

But, to use another human construct, humans don't "deserve" anything different than your scenario.

>>42035088
Are the lion people vegans too you massive cucc faggot retard? Get fucked.

>>42035108
They stopped eating animals as they evolved.

>>42032513
Who's we

>>42035113
Wrong. They ate more animals than ever as they evolved. Tell the truth devil

>>42035149
I'm telling you the truth... you shouldn't eat the animals. And if you do eat meat on a Friday, you will be accursed appropriately.

>>42035168
"the animals" as you call them, are full of nutrition. They're made for eating

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>In our more primitive times we did tend to think of ourselves as superior to other life forms with which we shared the planet (a stage through which you have been passing for several thousand years), although we were aware that there were certain trees and plants that were more advanced than ourselves, and these we naturally treated with much respect and a great deal of fear, especially during our very primitive stages. Later we came to learn that all life forms are equal in that each contributes something essential to the whole.

>However, we never went out of our way to attack or persecute those we saw as our inferiors and they were careful to keep their distance from us, although, like your lions, we all drank from the same water hole, metaphorically speaking; that is, each knowing the right time to leave, or stand back for the others.

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>>42035199
You were warned...

>>42032513
>morally
Iffy

>>42032513
what if they already treat us like animals? No that they eat us, but take us and extract blood samples, etc

>>42034947
>>42035003

Still best to avoid eating them.

>>42035570
I agree

>>42034467
why are you fixated on a twitch streamer lol you sound like an insane person

>>42035828
I’m not I also hate people like the black guy who quit Tesla and made millions because of mean words and drawings and also the woman who got 8 million from uber for being raped. I hate hypocrisy, double standards and liars.

>>42035850
lmao ok man

>>42035570
No reason whatsoever to avoid eating oysters, the odds of them feeling anything are the same as the odds of a plant or fungus feeling something.

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>>42036243
I think he meant shrimp

>>42033985
cool WEF sponsored graph, what a shame that it's false.

it's not even a proper chart, animals killed per what ?
what a retarded reply serioulsy...

>>42033985
>>42036388
also, even if that were true (which it isn't), grains aren't food.
i'm done arguing with vegtard seriously, i wasted hours on it and i always and up winning the argument, at that point you guys have nothing new to say i've not addressed in the past and it has just become tiresome.
you keep repeating lies.

have fun with your diet, it will either kill you or you will abandon it.

>>42036399
>>42036388
It’s obviously per 1 million calories

>>42036415
well fully grass fed beef + its milk derivative is < 0.1.

and grains are MUCH higher than that.
they are close to 100 direct death per 1M and if you count the indirect ones you get closer to 300 to 500.

>>42032519
OK cringe larper

>>42036432
>well fully grass fed beef + its milk derivative is < 0.1

Are you including the deaths of animals from clearing the land used to raise the cows?

Also cows which are fed exclusively grass are very rare. Like I said before if you will cherry pick the 1% that is fully grass fed I can cherry pick the 1% of plant agriculture that is veganic

>and grains are MUCH higher than that.
they are close to 100 direct death per 1M and if you count the indirect ones you get closer to 300 to 500.

Source? Because studies which make claims with numbers like those like Mike Archer’s 2011 article “Ordering the vegetarian meal? There’s more animal blood on your hands,” have been thoroughly debunked https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nZEu9B67MBI

>>42032513
>Morally
Morality shouldn't have anything to do with it. They would simply be objectively correct to treat us that way because that's how life works dipshit. Everything is conflict, violence, hierarchies. Humans are justified in the way we treat animals as well. Morals don't exist, it's just a word we use to describe what objectively works best for us as a collective which tends to be not raping and murdering and doing horrible shit that rocks the boat. Morality is subjective and people set their own standard for what it is because of course it's just another thing people use to feel superior to others, as expected from any living intelligent things. Fuck your morals, retard. Eat or be eaten is the fucking law and anything "good" we do, we do to satisfy our egos and control others or feel superior. Fuck those chickens, fuck human beings. Those chickens serve one purpose and that's food. What's the alternative, let every other animal but humans multiply without human interference until...what? To what end? The only reason their living situation needs to be better is so we can prevent bacteria and such. Get with the program retard. If and when aliens come to earth to dominate I fully expect the same treatment and I couldn't fault them for it. If they're getting what they want out of us that's all that matters, the only good they'll finish the good that helps them and I guarantee they aren't concerned with the way humans will judge them for how they do it. The ultimate force in existence isn't love, it's violence and confrontation and control and feelings of superiority with just enough faking that that's not the way it is in order to get what we want from each other.

>>42036494
What if all the people who don’t believe in might makes right (the majority of humans) decide to kill all humans who believe might makes right?

>>42036477
>clearing the land used to raise the cows
retard, grassland is grassland, there was no clearing to be done.
and even if you had to that's something you would do only once, so that's kind of irrelevant, over a few decades it'd basicaly amount to nothing.

and nice double standard when you don't take into account the clearing of the land for monoculture crap.
>fed exclusively grass are very rare
not in switzerland, and idgaf about rare or not, it's doable and the meat i eat is produced this way.

also, the cows that are fed "corn" are genraly not given the grain but the parts that are inedible to humans (which is most of the plant) ie the stem etc

if you truely care about reducing animal death you'd actualy still farm cows and feed them on things human cannot eat, same thing with chickens fed on waste.


>muh le debunk
it's always lies and omissions.

and don't even get me started on the logistic of moving such food produces with meat being much more caloricaly dense than plant foods, ie, less trucks for the same amount of energy.

and anyway, that's a moot point, a vegan diet will kill you, it is not suitable for humans.

>>42036494
Wow you are such a big strong alpha male chad. Why are you posting on 4chan on a friday night instead of slaying pussy?

>>42036751

>"Currently" is key it's not inherently inedible but not eaten by humans today due to taste, nutrition, or processing.

Inedible" Is a Semantic Dodge It's Opportunity Cost: The 86% includes "currently not eaten" stuff like grass/pasture (51% of feed) and crop residues (19%), but these tie up land that could grow human food directly. Pastures often replace forests/biodiverse habitats; residues/byproducts (<25–30% of feed) aren't "waste" but require massive crop production (e.g., 36% of global crops go to feed, yielding just 12% human calories). Vegan response: Why grow 3.2 kg edible feed for 1 kg pork when you could eat the feed? U.S. grain for livestock alone could feed ~800M people.
Efficiency Ignores Calorie/Protein Loss: The 2.8–3.2:1 ratios sound "modest," but they measure weight, not nutrition. Animal products return ~10–30% of input calories/protein (e.g., beef: 1–3% efficiency). Poore & Nemecek (2018, cited by vegans) shows shifting to plant-based diets could free 76% of ag land (3.1B ha), including 19% of arable, while feeding the world—your "1.3B ha grassland access" (2B - 700M) ignores this scalability.
Land/Grassland Framing Hides Deforestation and Unsustainability: 40% arable + 2B ha grass sounds like "free" biomass, but grass-fed systems drive >50% tropical deforestation and can't scale to meet demand (would need 2–3x Earth's land). Converting 700M ha to cropland? Ecologically disastrous, per IPCC/vegan analyses. Plus, cereals (1/3 global) are prime human food why feed to pigs?
Broader Critiques: Skeptics note the study underplays monogastric waste (poultry/pork eat ~80% human-edible feed in some regions).

https://awellfedworld.org/issues/hunger/feed-vs-food/

https://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/53522/is-86-of-the-food-fed-to-livestock-unfit-for-human-consumption-and-is-most-of

>>42036751
There’s examples of people born to parent who were vegan for years before conceiving them, fully vegan pregnancy, born vegan and lived on vegan diet for their entire life who are healthy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v90Q4civ_ts

>>42036751
>if you truely care about reducing animal death you'd actualy still farm animals and feed them on things human cannot eat, same thing with chickens fed on waste.

No because there’s externalities. It’s better to not farm animals at all and codify animal rights into law.

>>42036830
they are all lies.
if you feed a baby a vegan diet he'll have severe brain development issues and possibly die.

>>42036842
seriously shut the fuck up.
and death isn't realy bad, if the animal are taken care of, the death painless and have they have a reasonable lifespan.

>>42036753
The fuck does that have to do with anything? Say any of it is wrong and explain why you believe it's wrong or shut the fuck up. I'll never understand how someone can miss the fucking point this hard and spout completely unrelated shit and think nothing of it. I'm not wrong and if you just take a look around you could see that.

>>42036500
Doesn't matter if you believe in it, that's how it works. Either you're on the dominating side or the side that's easy to dominate. Might makes right isn't just about killing either, it's in the way people look at each other, talk to each other, the way people walk. Everything we do is just a representation of underlying fundamental functions and forces. Believe what you want, human nature works no different than literally everything else in nature and you can't simply decide to separate from it. You don't have to be violent, you are part of a hierarchy everywhere you go and that hierarchy is constantly working itself out through the friction in interactions with people and the rest of your environment. Within families, friend groups, work environments, people on the street. Confrontation, friction, yin and yang. These are fundamental and beyond the confines of belief. Might makes right will never go away, it will only be refined, given new labels, definitions. A few peaceful people that don't subscribe to this are the exception to the rule and likely still support some iteration of the rule and they undoubtedly are still a part of the natural order. If you don't fight back somehow to some degree, you're eaten alive physically or emotionally and everyone fucking knows it. That's why dipshits like this>>42036753
Are on here getting angry while mistaking my account of reality for tough guy shit. It's because he can't hack it in person as he knows it. Anyway your question answers itself. Using might to kill people that use might just proves the point.

>>42032513
I would force them to kill me before I live like that for a day, and if they don't kill me I'd be killing them

>>42037006
Cope and seethe. Dilate your neo vagina and swiftly kill your self.

>>42036855
the animals are all miserable and usually have no room to even turn around. they spend their whole lives never seeing the sun and in pain.

i'm cooked, i keep thinking OP image is a butthole out of the corner of my eye.

>>42037142
You're only proving my point about human nature here>>42036494
with every response. You're ignoring the contents of my posts in favor of control over the conversation through brute force, even if it's only brute force by Internet standards. You resort to simple solution like insults and ignoring context in favor of feeling superior. Obtaining control. Case in point. Good luck anon. This world is sick and you have obviously been victimized by it. Either throw mind and body into the fray and fight, maybe die another day or separate yourself as much as possible because this world drives people that can't or won't play the games others play mad. It's a violent existence and you know there's nothing to be done about it. Nature is law and it always overcomes us somehow. Imagine your perfect world and ask how it's realistically achievable (hint, it isn't) and ask yourself if it was achieved, what are the consequences? What's the end goal? Lay down and die while the chickens thrive? Just stand still while everything else moves? Psychopathic to kill chickens after subjecting them to horrible conditions. The same psychopathic behavior that ironically leads to your apathy towards human beings. The same psychopathic behavior that has unfortunately left many of us broken and angry and desperate for control. That's the reality, that's nature.

>>42037215
>the animals are all miserable
i already addressed it in the thread.
not the cows i eat, they got it better than i do. >>42033568
so idgaf about your "muh miserable" when it's not the case.

>>42036243
>>42036354

I mean any animal desu as it is pointless. What if an entity said the same of you or me? Plus bivalves are like living filters, this is crap food.

>>42037454

Ok, but not all of them live like that dingbat. Do you really live worse than an animal imprisoned in their own waste with little space?

Also, would you be fine with an alien bagging you when your life is fine/great?

>>42037454
>not the cows i eat
Already addr ss din the thread.
The amount of extraneous suffering and exploitation required for you to have your grass fed cows is orders of magnitudes larger.
You are creating much much more suffering with your demands, and lying to yourself to feel better.

>>42037490
>but not all of them live like that dingbat
not my problem, can't do shit about it.
you guys would have a lot more success if you tried to advocate for better practices instead of stopping allgotether.
>live worse than an animal imprisoned in their own waste with little space?
again, not my problem, i don't support that industry any more than you do, the cows i eat got it better than i do.

>Also, would you be fine with an alien bagging you when your life is fine/great?
yes, i don't believe in death anyway and this whole realm is a trap.
>extraneous suffering and exploitation required for you to have your grass fed cows is orders of magnitudes larger.

retarded take.
they live on grassland that has always been there and cannot be used for anything else because it's rough mountainus terrain that won't grow anything other than grass and some mushrooms.

>and lying to yourself to feel better.
hey everyone, look at that twat that thinks he's "morally superior" lmao

>>42032513
>morally justified
Ngmi

>>42032513
>would be morally justified
I can think of one huge difference: humans can and often do express their desire to not be cattle. Sometimes, they even revolt.
Cattle and other farm animals, though wonderful and loved (at least by this anon), rarely if ever do either of these things.

>>42037515

>the cows i eat got it better than i do

>yes, i don't believe in death anyway and this whole realm is a trap.

Eldritch Entity 1: Yo, stop supporting the rape of the lesser souls for their loosh, you are making their lives sh*tty.

Eldritch Entity 2: Oh fu*k off, these lower entities are living much better lives than me.


Lol, lmao even!!!

>>42037651
Women just like animals can not enforce their own rights. Women and animals only have rights because men have granted them rights. Men can at any time choose to take away women’s rights or animals rights and there’s nothing women or animals can do about it except ask men for their rights back

>>42036850
There’s plenty of documented cases of humans who have been vegan for their entire lives from birth who are healthy and intelligent.
And being breastfed by your own mother for a few years after birth does not mean you are not vegan

>>42037836
that's possibly the worse analogy you could have come up with lmao.
>>42037869
and they are all lies

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>>42036855
If an animal is living a mostly bad life, suffering massively in a factory farm and experiencing little wellbeing then it’s wrong to breed them into existence.

If an animal is living a mostly good life, perhaps on a pasture then it’s wrong to cut their mostly good life short by executing them when they’re a healthy teenager.

https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch

https://philosophicalvegan.com/wiki/index.php/NameTheTrait

This dialogue tree has been used by vegans many times in live debates, (feel free to comment on one of their videos, email them, message them on Instagram etc to challenge them to a debate on NTT )

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JiGT6ox0Y-M

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gJR5vsrkr9A

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oQLjgo2TfcM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrtziO8Ffc4&pp=ygUjRHIgQXZpIGRlYmF0ZSB2ZWdhbiBuYW1lIHRoZSB0cmFpdCA%3D

If someone says it's okay to kill a animal and turn them into a burger but not okay to do that to a human and the reason they give is that animals can't reason but humans can they'd have to bite the bullet and say it's okay to turn severely permanently mentally handicapped humans who can't reason into burgers. Or go vegan. Or name another trait(s)

>>42037870

>that's possibly the worse analogy you could have come up with lmao.

I just adapted the discourse at hand, lol!!!

>>42032513
Why would any "alien race" have any "moral values" relative to ours? Why would they have any moral values at all period? They are aliens.

>>42037515
>>42037929
>I just adapted the discourse at hand
alright i'm gonna explain why this is a bullshit analogy.
>stop supporting the rape of the lesser souls for their loosh, you are making their lives sh*tty.

1. i'm not torturing my cows, they got a pretty happy life, their life is literaly better than a cow would in the wild, they don't have to worry about predators disease, cold etc.
all they do is roam around freely in the mountains, eat grass and chill, that's as close to the ideal cow life as you can get, they aren't even behind fences.
2. the eldrich entities in questions are the ones that designed this reality in the first place, they are the ones that designed it in such a way that pretty much every lifeform needs to feed on another to continue existing.
>Oh fu*k off, these lower entities are living much better lives than me.
also false, the eldrich entities have it pretty amazing right now, and also, they don't need to fuck with us, they just do it because they are addicted junkies, it isn't a necessity for them.

>>42037981
>they are the ones that designed it in such a way that pretty much every lifeform needs to feed on another to continue existing.
Hang on.
Is that a BAD thing?
Why did you use this as your example of "those eldritch bastards or so so evil" - unless feeding on others is just inherently a BAD thing?

>>42032519
>you guys
>satanists and capitalists kill animals for profit
It's not us guys.
It's you and them taking over the food supply .
In the past we had nearly free food , via pond farming and fishing . Were is all this ,banned ??

>>42032513
Good thing aliens are fake and gay.

>>42033417
>There is good reason to believe that aliens abduct, kill, and mutilate humans in the most horrific ways imaginable, including skinning them alive.
90% of that is glownigger bullshit.
To scare you into submission.
Scared humans are going into a fight-or-flight and are easily ruled by the elites.

>the information contained on the website WILL traumatize you.
AND this is exactly the reason why the glowies and elites want 90% of this BULLSHIT out there.
To scare you shitless, so you can be a slave and easily ruled.

>>42032519
I got it. I didn't scream from the rooftops about it but I got it. I needed to know which direction you were coming from so we could have our shields up in case you were hostile. And with a trip and reputation like yours I'm not sure how you could blame us for that.

>>42033442
>Humans need meat, i
How about fish?
Over thousands of years, humans developed various free food techniques,
including small pond aquacultures.
This was all removed in the last 100 years due to Capitalists and satanists taking over food supply and trying to make you sick.
>sick people are a lot more profitable to big pharma industry.
>and sick people don't create revolutions.

Also eggs , dairy etc.

>>42037981

Ok, so then it would be like Cthulhu or something offing and eating you during a good moment in your life.

I mean you do not NEED to eat those cows, assuming you are an actual human user, you can survive on vegan food just fine, but choose not to because you an animal product addict.

>>42033190
If this is some kind of a faggy role call, I have a body of work that you will not be able to find. I know because someone has already found it and buried it.

I can count on one hand how many people know about it. I'd bet they're not showing it to anyone anymore.

>>42038061
>on vegan food j
Ah, the usual , unable to read what has been posted.
Where is vegan above:
>>42038047
>fish , dairy , eggs, butter etc.

What people suggest is to avoid beef as much as possible,
due to satanists and capitalists doing mass animal blood sacrifices.
>and that is NOT edible.

>>42038070

?

>>42038067
Did you think this was a game?

>>42038093
Why do you think posters regularly disappear.

>>42032519
A race of creatures that would denounce another just because of its dietary requirement is a race of creatures unfit for space travel.

>>42037874
>using AI to back up your argument
apply yourself

>>42038122
Nothing in this post >>42037874 is AI

>>42038093
Modern mass beef farming is an equivalent
of mass animal blood sacrifices.
When they do mass animal blood sacrifices (on purpose) ,
not only meat is full of stress hormones,
but also low frequency entities / negative parasites are feeding there.
>and then this meat is lowering your frequencies
>which the goal,
>and then those negative entity parasites start feeding off you

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>>42032513
no they wouldnt
my grandparents farm has two spoiled ass dogs
a bunch of chickens that seem happy with a ton of space
and none of them get eaten
that place has fucking wild geese that came to live there that also get fed.
it depends on the farm
earth is a horrible farm they treat us all like crap
i need to stop eating meat

>>42032513
Aliens aren't real it's just demons and you are stupid for believing in Government Fairy tales.

>>42032513
Moral justification means diddly squat. A woman isn't morally justified to divorce-rape you, a nepo hire isn't morally justified to be promoted over you, an elite isn't morally justified to rape and eat children. It happens anyway because these people have been given power. Aliens will do whatever the fuck they want to us if they have the power. There is no moral component to it.

>>42038248
most chickens in the supermarket, i would say over 95%, don’t come from places like your grandparents farm. they come from places like OP’s picture

>>42038351
not really it more those big white plastic tube barns, its not that much better

>>42032513
We are already under alien occupation, OP

the "things eat other things" reality is one of God's litest creations

its important to recognize when "you've had your fill" though...

the way humans treat farm animals is not moral so aliens treating us as such is not moral either

>>42032513
They'll still treat us better than Amazon warehouse workers

>>42037992
>Is that a BAD thing?
yes, in a better world you'd not need to feed on anything alive.
and my point is that there is no avoiding that, the whole world works like that, animals preys on each others, plants, bacteria etc, the whole system.
anyway, that's not the only issue with this realm outside of it will manifest to reality instantly, there is no scarcity of anything whatsoever.

still, if you want to keep being alive and healthy, the best way to minimize it is grass fed cows.

>>42038061
>Ok, so then it would be like Cthulhu or something offing and eating you during a good moment in your life.
i do not care, death is not the end and i know there are better things to do on the other side.

>you do not NEED to eat those cows
yes i do, if i want to be healthy.
being on carnivore is the only diet that fixed medical issues i had, and i tried everything even le meme plant based, which was a total disaster, later on i learnt why it is a terrible diet for human and you are being lied to.

you seriously believe the ideal diet for human is the one that's promoted by literal pedo baby eaters (and btw they eat raw beef and eggs as they know it's what is actualy healthy)

you are literaly playing in the depopulation agenda and eating a slave diet that makes you effeminate, retarded and subservient.

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>>42033754
>Animals do yearn to keep lilving, but do not yearn for freedom.
Bizarre thing to think, captivity fucks up anything we do it to

>>42041952
The anon you're replying to is just evil. Like his God.

>>42033985
>article shits on his character for half of it
>a single paragraph explaining it takes 1 hectare to make 1000kg of protein using crops and that a grassfed cow needs 10 hectares to graze
>acts like this is an argument for anything?
>rest of article pushes vegan propaganda

You get that a cow isn't killing anything while it grazes, right? And just to add, 1 cow can feed a family of 4 for a year. Ask me how i know. 1000kg of protein is aprox 1.5 cows. Meaning, according to the article, you yourself sourced. On a yearly basis, vegans are still killing more animals than someone who buys a whole cow and freezes it.

>>42041952
This image says it all man

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>>42032519
>Me and my grandpa arguing corn-fed vs grass-fed with my liberal mother and grandmother
The aliumn just want fatter McHumans

>>42032519
The milky way is one giant LGBT pride parade. What is it about this galaxy that attracts massive amounts of faggotry?

>>42033708
>completely ignoring the point
You have any option of doing this one cow feeding on grassland because of the thousands of human deaths that enforce your luxury.
>yes it's not cheap
It would be 1200 a kg or more if you were actually paying its price.
You are blind to what your life costs.
And we all know you dont care about the suffering it causes. You make that clear.
What you care about is trying to pretend you arent morally inferior.

>>42045197
>because of the thousands of human deaths that enforce your luxury
nice talking out of your ass.
>It would be 1200 a kg or more if you were actually paying its price.
retard, land isn't that expensive.
it cost close to nothing to have a cow grazing on land you own, you provide extra water and you have extra land so that you can store grass for the worse part of winter.
that's it.

>And we all know you dont care about the suffering it causes

blah blah blah.
blame the game, if you care that much you'd off yourself.

>morally inferior.
ditto.

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>>42032513
Vegans are so deranged it's almost impressive. Eat some meat.

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>>42032513
Aliens are welcome to come try.

>>42045217
>land isn't that expensive.
You are still too blind and stupid to understand.
Literally the slave owner's toddler son.
>blah blah blah.
>blame the game
We all know you have literally zero concern for your actions and morality, but it is good you remind us each time.
It's how we know you are morally inferior.
It's how we know you know it, too.

>>42041872

You most be a rep then, as plant based is basically the natural diet of humans.

Uh....no, lol, they eat people and feed it back to us.

>>42046994
blah blah blah

>>42047189
>plant based is basically the natural diet of humans.
dude humans have been eating mostly meet for almost 2 million years, you are retarded if you think that.
we can't even survive in a plant based diet without supplementation.
what a retard you prove to be.

just look at our stomach PH, we are literaly one of the most carnivorous species out there.

>>42034269
Then they wouldn't be here fucktard

>>42032513
>itt bunch of veggiefags screeching about muh animools while eating poor helpless gmo cropslop

>>42032595
>>42032626
>humans don't even beg for their lives
>what about all the monkey noises they make?
>meaningless gibberish, these smelly apes are still at least a century away from basic FTL travel and their primitive brains still experience time linearly

>>42047268
Never respond to tripfags. They will endlessly waste your time.

>>42048821
didn't even notice lol
thanks anon.

>>42033304
>>42033997
carnists are unable to refute this lmao

>>42033959
>>42033963
>>42033969
I do not understand why you use syllogism form if it is nothing more than a trivial inference.
Most people in this thread are not retards and already know that, in principle, you can claim any arbitrary standard.
(Just for the records, the retard part is a hyperbole. Everyone here is suposed to be tarded untill proven otherwise.)

You can claim that humans have exceeded a certain line after which they must be considered beings with dignity, while, e.g. cows or chickens have not. However, you can also simply hold the position that humans ought to treat other humans differently from other life forms. In the latter case, if you apply the same reasoning to aliens, they could treat us very differently from their own kind.

>>42034320
>since human meat would have nutrients as well.
... and the same profile of parasites, virus, bacteria...
If you look it up evolutionary, then the reason cannibalism is disgusting is for exact this mechanism.

Btw, you imply that logic can be applied to morals. Even moral teachers and logicans are not 100% sure about this.

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>>42048054
>Complaining about "muh GMOs" when (you) are defending factory farms, filled to the brim with genetically mutated animals sitting in their own shit just so you can have cheap slop meat composed of the corpses from five bazillion different animals

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>>42049233
yep you're right on the money. could you believe it's worse than how you phrase it here? some of the slaughterhouse workers get off on the pain and suffering caused to the animals. yes, i am sure these brutal aliens will take well to that.

>>42033062
Neither do humans without cosmic intervention.
We are just one more vessel of choice, but with more development.

>>42032513
I'm not going to fall for the archon guilt trip that eating meat is bad.
How about creating a world that isn't retarded and gay? But they won't.
Why do these so-called gods expect for lesser creations to solve the problems they created? That's even more pathetic than anything a human being could possibly ever do.
Anyways it doesn't matter. We're all just going to die. If you're too scared to eat meat because of karma or sin I can tell you right now its just another gaslight these shitheads use on gullible people.
The "what ifs" of doing anything that might be considered sinful or giving negative karma ought to have been spelled out for us crystal clear but even that is apparently impossible for these 'gods'. Granted they are real, which they are.
They're just retarded. Why not just do the right thing? Why not just create a perfect reality?
If they can't do this, they are not worthy of worship and we should not submit to them. That is slavery.
Going to hell to prove a point isn't so bad when you consider how fucking gay these spiritual faggots are and how retarded and useless the average human being is.
I wouldn't have created the world or humanity this way because I'm actually a perfect being.

>>42051007
>I'm not going to fall for the archon guilt trip that eating meat is bad.
The archons see you like you see the chickens in the OP pic

>>42049233
BOO FUCKING HOO. THE POOR FUCKING ANIMALS.
FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS WE WERE ENSLAVED BY THESE REPTILIANS WHO HUMILIATED MEN AND RAPED THEIR WOMEN AND KILLED EACH OTHER. AND HERE YOU ARE CRYING ABOUT POOR FUCKING ANIMALS WHEN THAT ISN'T EVEN THE PROBLEM.
THE PROBLEM IS PRIMORDIAL. AT THE BEGINNING OF TIME, WE WERE CREATED AS A SLAVE RACE TO ENTERTAIN THESE RETARDS.
THE ONLY OPTION IS TO KILL THEM OR OURSELVES.
WE HAVE NO CHOICE. NO SAY IN THE MATTER. EITHER WE GET LUCKY AND DEVELOP SOME KIND OF WEAPON AND FIND A WAY TO CAPTURE ONE OF THESE SHITHEADS AND TORTURE THE PISS AND SHIT OUT OF THEM OR WE BLOW THE FUCKING WORLD UP.
NO IN BETWEEN. AND ITS NOT UP FOR DEBATE!

>>42051025
>The archons see you like you see the chickens in the OP pic
Yeah they do but its not my fault. They should have created a better world. There's no excuses for them and theres no excuses for you traitors who defend these faggots raping and torturing people because of some stupid fucking animal. Go and fuck yourself.
We were entrapped in this miserable condition in this shithole world. Food is scarce. Animals are plenty. Do the math, you stupid fucking retard.
We are not under obligation to any 'god' or deity until they can actually create something that works. Until then fuck you fuck you fuck you.

>>42051034
So why do you feel justified in being evil like them? Aren't you better than they are?

>>42051039
I'm not evil though you stupid cattle.
We were created as a slave race. They fired the first shot. Humanity has the right to defend itself. We have no say in the matter. There is nothing wrong with eating meat and you need to stop perpetuating these confusing narratives. You create the idea that we are under obligation or that we owe these beings a damn thing with our lives when we just fucking don't.
They are so perfect. They were the gods of old! Yeah and all they are is a bunch of rats.

>>42051048
>There is nothing wrong with eating meat
Then there is nothing wrong with the archons abusing and farming you either, so stop the moral outrage.

Jeffrey Epstein and his island friends are all Reptilians guess what Reptilians favorite food is? thats right human flesh they are Reptilians who live in bunkers deep within the planet

>>42051057
>Then there is nothing wrong with the archons abusing and farming you either
Nice pilpul but again. I didn't create this. They did. So you're trying to unload karma that isn't even mine on me. Are you retarded?
My 'moral outrage' is 100% justified as I am right and you are wrong.
You're just a faggot traitor so who cares what you think?

>>42051066
>Nice pilpul but again. I didn't create this. They did.
The chickens didn't choose their situation either, we force it on them.

>>42051076
No, humanity did not create chickens. They did.
Nice try though.

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A certain vegan death cult with WEF funding has been spying on, harassing and torturing innocent people for eating meat.
Just so everyone is aware. Avoid vegans like the plague. They are archon puppets who cannibalize men and use "BOOHOO THE POOR ANIMALS" as an excuse.

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>>42032519
Smart.

>>42051080
No I mean we force them to live the way that they do on farms.

>>42051101
Just like we were forced to live the way we do in this shithole world filled with stupid faggots like you?
Stop defending globohomo archons and their lies. There is no justification to torture or abuse a person because of some stupid fucking chicken and you know it. Get your priorities straight, man.
If you value an animals life over a human life considering the circumstances, you're an irredeemable pig.
The solution is simple. Create a world that isn't retarded and gay. If you can't do that then you have no right to bitch about human beings farming animals. But you're a demon actually sitting here trying to justify the enslavement of mankind over some retarded animals so you don't really care.
We used to dig mass graves for people like you.

>>42051133
>There is no justification to torture or abuse a person because of some stupid fucking chicken and you know it.
There's no justification to torture chickens either.

>>42051157
You're a pig.

>>42051170
Okay.

>>42032513
We did not create this. They did.. So there is no actual moral justification for farming human beings. My logos is superior. You're just going to have to accept you're wrong and stop serving demons.
These retards are going to get us all killed. That's why I came into this thread to wrangle them.

>>42051133
>If you value an animals life over a human life considering the circumstances, you're an irredeemable pig
That need to put human life over others is exactly why these elites don't give you moral consideration.
They are above you, and their concerns trump any consideration of your life or suffering.
Any person saying this of nonhuman animals is just agreeing with those that feed off of them.

>>42051173
Okay?
It's actually really simple. I don't understand what is so hard to understand.
We did not create this world so it's not our karma. You're free to eat meat if you like. It's not on you to build a better world. You were brainwashed by the World Economic Forum and their liberal marxist ideals.

>>42051186
They don't give us moral consideration because they're evil, you ignorant twat.
>They are above you
No, they aren't.
>their concerns trump any consideration of your life or suffering.
They embody entropy. I am reversing entropy by destroying their retarded ideas.
>Any person saying this of nonhuman animals is just agreeing with those that feed off of them.
Listen, fucktard. WE DID NOT CREATE THIS!!! WE ARE NOT KARMICALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DUMB FUCK ANIMALS, YOU NPC CATTLE RETARD.

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>>42051203
Nah I just don't like killing animals or having other people kill them for me because I wouldn't want anyone to kill me. Pretty simple.

>>42032513
You're still ignorant to the existence of Wagyu, uncultured swine

>>42051215
>They don't give us moral consideration because they're evil, you ignorant twat.
Said the nonhumans of you.
> WE DID NOT CREATE THIS!!!
Neither did they.
They are just better at the game than you.
Just like you are better than the animals.
So you eat the animals.
And they eat you.
Dont get mad that you arent the best at the game.

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>>42032519
>We care about all life, y'all!
>Fuck plants, though.
>Munch them raw if you want.
>Fuck Greeny gon do?

>>42054212
Caring about life in a realm that requires something die means minimizing.
If YOU cared, then you would see that eating meat only compounds and adds tot he death of plants.
So your argument only shows how stupid you are, and how little you believe your own arguments.

>>42032513
i'm sure species capable of interstellar travel will do so with the intent of procuring some alien proteins. how retarded are you?

those chickens probably think they have it pretty good

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>>42032519
>Feed mostly on grain
But why grain though? We're not birds, and hypothetically something like orchards would - in an advanced society - be far more efficient than growing 100 billion pieces of grass and harvesting seed heads to provide little seeds.
Like trees have a deeper root system, provide wood, the land around them is still usable to do many things on, why would aliens want you to eat seeds of grass?
>>42032735
This. The most "moral" if we're counting animal deaths would be to just have orchards.
>Grass grows under the trees animals can eat
>Animals can eat windfall
>People collect the fruits and some kind of ecosystem is still intact
Permaculture schizos are right about the amount of environmental damage, even if they're completely retarded in every other way. Only some kind of layered "food forest" or "food meadow" involving trees and bushes would be friendly to wildlife.

Some field that they mow down regularly to produce vegetables? No way.

>>42032513
>>42032518

Both are so gracefully ignorant, kek

>>42032513
Morality isn't real. Steak is real and it's delicious.

>>42033222
Sorry bro im just not going to eat the bugs! UGH i know i know… im just not going to is all! Sorry haha

>>42033070
>>42033190
>>42033746
When did this board become full of morally superior midwits? Animal rights are a GOOD thing, its just one of the many things that separates whites from the brown third world savages that love abusing small animals. Obviously animal abuse is abhorrent and the conditions some of these animals live in are disgusting and should be improved, but the amount of retardposting and seething over people eating meat is just ridiculous lol.
>ok boo— ACK
shut the fuck up white nigger zoomer

>>42033467
Reasonable, nuanced take; zoomers HATE this one trick.

>>42033491
Ok pajeet. There are millions upon millions of third world mutants that all have like 7 kids each and youre worried about trailer trash in West Virginia? Lmfao sssuurreee

>>42056558
It's your typical hindu indian raid. Happens on every board.

Everyone will remember the vegan genocides..
They will make everyone eat shit. Because they believe you are mass murderers..

>>42056643
Sickening. They are a plague irl and online

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>>42054932
>If YOU cared
I don't and nobody actually does. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.

Not that I consider fucking eating an evil thing, though. I'm just explaining your retardation to you.

>>42055792
Lovely, I'd throw a coconut at it.

>>42047189
Typical brownoid behavior. You really are a cancer on this board. Wish you could filter tripfaggots natively.

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This thread sure riled up some meatheads. We should learn to feed on the loosh of their fragile egos. That would be the most enviromentally friendly diet.

>>42059884
>I don't and nobody actually does.
No, you care about feeling shame and wanting to be righteous.
You DONT care about any real world effects or changes.
You admit you choose the greater evil iun your very post.
You just feel bad when reminded of it, so you lash out.
>Not that I consider fucking eating an evil thing
No, you just very explicitly admit to choosing the worst way to eat.
Which is why the aliens that eat humans are no less moral.
Moreso, really.
Eating humans lowers the total suffering.

>>42059937
>That would be the most enviromentally friendly diet.
Yes, that was the point of the thread.
Meat eaters have no excuse to be mad at the aliens harvesting humans.

>>42059951
No, I was using your retarded ideas to explain how you're being a hypocrite, but I guess you're too stupid to understand that.

I don't believe eating is anything or is suppossed to make me feel anyhting, I just eat.

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>>42059955
>OMG, people eating meat is EVIL
>Let's eat people, that's GOOD

Wouldn't you retards feel better at Retarddit with other lunatics like you?

>>42059962
>I don't believe eating is anything or is suppossed to make me feel anyhting, I just eat.
Now, after hours of trying to defend it, you are saying you dont even have the capability to think about it.
Apt.
And again - the point is that aliens eating humans are more moral than you.

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>>42059972
How many meds are you on right now?

>>42059968
Again, for the slow ones whose arteries are clogged from meat.
IF you think there is no problem with meat eating,
THEN there is no faulting the aliens that eat humans
And the only defense you are left with is
>HURR I DONT CARE I JUST EAT
>>42059975
Just the warm glow of your seething.
Loosh farming is easy and yummy.

>>42059972
>Now, after hours of trying to defend it, you are saying you dont even have the capability to think about it.

Hours? What? Are you mistaking me with another anon?

>>42059981
All NPCs are the same.
You dont have anything new to say, you just wanted to admit to choosing the greater evil.

>>42059979
>IF you think there is no problem with meat eating,
>THEN there is no faulting the aliens that eat humans
Yes, there is because we're humans, you imbecile.

>>42059986
>because we're humans
Yes - thus you arent worth moral consideration from your superiors, and they can eat you.

>>42059982
And you're sooo innovative with your "meat bad" discourse. Wow, never heard that one before!

>>42059991
You can leave any time you no longer feel bad about your choices.
>IF you think there is no problem with meat eating,
>THEN there is no faulting the aliens that eat humans
>And the only defense you are left with is
>>HURR I DONT CARE I JUST EAT

>>42059990
LOL, those faggot aliens that don't exist wouldn't be superior if they did.

A superior being doesn't hide from the inferiors. When a kid is burning ants with a magnifying glass, he doesn't follow an intrincate strategy to hide in a perfect spot to surprise the ants. He just goes to the anthill and burns them to death.

>>42060000
>You can leave any time you no longer feel bad about your choices.
>>IF you think there is no problem with meat eating,
>>THEN there is no faulting the aliens that eat humans
>>And the only defense you are left with is
>>>HURR I DONT CARE I JUST EAT
There wouldn't be a problem (apart from scarcity) with your lame aliens eating animals. But there is a problem with aliens eating humans.

How are you so fucking stupid that you can't understand that. LOL

>>42060008
>A superior being doesn't hide
lol, you think they're hiding? look around.
>a kid is burning ants
Nice moral example of yourself.
But yes - this is exactly why eating humans is fine.
>>42060017
>There wouldn't be a problem (apart from scarcity) with your lame aliens eating animals. But there is a problem with aliens eating humans.
Why?
Why is it fine to eat lower creatures for humans, but not fore those superior to humans?
>You can leave any time you no longer feel bad about your choices.
>>IF you think there is no problem with meat eating,
>>THEN there is no faulting the aliens that eat humans
>>And the only defense you are left with is
>>>HURR I DONT CARE I JUST EAT

>>42060021
>Why is it fine to eat lower creatures for humans, but not fore those superior to humans?
Because we're humans, retard. Can you read a clock?

>>42060029
That's not a reason.
You have no answer.
Or rather, you KNOW the answer, and understand how stupid and irrational that answer is.
>>IF you think there is no problem with meat eating,
>>THEN there is no faulting the aliens that eat humans
>>And the only defense you are left with is
>>>HURR I DONT CARE I JUST EAT

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>>42060035
I see what you are.

>>42060040
Hitler was vegetarian, he understood.

>>42060044
Not really, that's yet another lie from the war propaganda against the nazis. One of his favourite dishes was a fish one.

>>42060054
>nazis spread anti-nazi propaganda
lol, you have really lost the thread

>>42032513
What if they are retarded and they taste like bacon would it be morally justfied to treat alines the way the aliens would be morally justified to treat himans the way humans treat farm animals?

>>42032518
I live here

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>>42060040
lol anon even hitler was a vegetarian

>>42060054
Hitler was convinced meat-eating was responsible for much of the degeneration of humanity - he picked up the idea from Goethe.... Vegetarianism is common in esotericism, and generally appears in anyone with mystical inclinations, including black magicians

>>42032518
>me when i beat solitaire

>>42032519
Plants feel pain, communicate, and fight back against those who hurt them. Why don't you have any sympathy for them?

>>42060786
I do have sympathy for plants. I try not to harm them unnecessarily.

Eating an apple, for example, does not harm the tree.

>>42060798
You are eating what could become another tree. You are eating their babies, dead aborted babies.

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I also have sympathy for insects, including mosquitoes, and even inanimate objects, as well as images

I cried as a child when my father damaged a picture of a cow

>>42060834
What a massive faggot

>>42060838
I was very precocious. The cow was jumping over the moon and he ruined it

>>42060624
>>42060044
He was pro animal rights not vegetarian. Licifer ching chong is a well known antifa so ofc he lies and constantly posts slop garbage quotes. Lolz

People who promote no meat or animal products for sentimental propaganda reasons really are just unfit for living and will go to hell for having accrued so much bad karma from being disingenuous and recommending an unhealthy lifestylenthat causes sickness and suffering. Anyone who has looked into the subject of diet im an unbiased way seeking to heal from our modern toxic world would know that stories of people getting sicker and health problems worsening extremely when going vegan or vegan are very common. But you PETA fake gnostic shlomos and pajeets talking about archons dont care about that cause you are demons in skin suits.

>>42032513
But they already do.

>>42060950
Hitler was a vegetarian for vain reasons. He wasn't very concerned about animal rights, and obviously concern for the welfare of other beings wasn't a consistent part of his actual philosophy... You fell for Nazi propaganda.

Aliens can frick off

>>42060662
/thread

This thread is 100% pure vegan autism.

>>42061063
Shut up faggot. Post a
Primary source proving it, you cant and wont.

>>42061135
Proving vegetarianism. And yeah he was a lifelong anti vivisectionist and Third Reich pioneered laws regarding the treatment of animals.

>>42061143
>Third Reich pioneered laws regarding the treatment of animals

... do you recall anything else the Third Reich did, or have you just consumed Nazi propaganda and not history

>>42061135
... you can read the testimony and works of literally anyone who knew Hitler and confirm he was a vegetarian. What a bizarre mixture of propaganda they have fed you

>>42061237
One thing they didnt do is gas 6 million jews.
>>42061247
God you are an insufferable faggot. He ate meat, yes its well documented he had long periods of eating little meat, but he still ate meat frequently. You fucking piece of shit retarded name fag shill.