Thread #42040799
help me accept my mortality.
it's the struggle of my life.
from the youngest age.
the fear is profoundly intense and real. and i am emotionally, spiritually, and mentally fucked from years of traumatic abuse.
what occult/meditative/philosophical/alchemical framework can help?
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>>42040799
when you die your body releases chemicals that make you feel like everything is fine, so you don't even care that you're dying. you experience ego death and will actually be happy to melt back into the fabric of the universe and not being an individual anymore. you'll feel like "you know what, i was afraid of this before but now that it's actually happening it just feels right." before we are born the womb is our entire universe. being born is like the death of our first world. when we leave this world we will be born too, as something greater than we can even imagine. there will no longer be a separation between us and the universe itself. we will be everything
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>>42040843
Not OP but I don't fear the pain, the possibility of oblivion is what terrorizes me.
>>42041266
Unless you're raised in a very faithful family, there's no cure for that. If you're open to logic and science, you should read Ian Stevenson book about reincarnation. He applied the scientific method to his research and even massive skeptics like Carl Sagan had to concede that his findings were strong.
Also, people on this board like to use NDEs as a proof for consciousness being non local and there being something after it. I take NDEs with a grain of salt, I don't think they are proofs but I think they are a valid argument in favor of it. Keep in mind that the main counterargument to it, which is the claim that the brain releases DMT at death, is retarded. The amount of DMT within the body is nothing to write home about, and thinking that a dying brain gains new functions (producing DMT) while everything else shuts down and it's blood supply disappears is beyond retarded. There is no proof of it being a thing.
NDEs however do have very unexplainable cases, like that of Pam Renalds whose brain activity stopped and body got cold before being brought back. She was able to explain her surroundings and the discussions the surgeons had while she was dead.
Another case is Vicki Noratuk who was blind from birth due to fucked optic nerves, who flatlined and was able to see everything including the resuscitation process used on her.
These cases do reassure me to some level.
A third thing is the fact that all the Nobel prize winners and founders of modern physics like Schrodinger or Bohr claimed that consciousness was non local and fundamental. These people were infinitely smarter than almost everyone alive nowadays so they probably had something right.
There are other arguments but no absolute proof. But lucky for you, the mainstream scientific community is also starting to entertain that consciousness might be non local
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>>42042127
Followup
No matter how much you can convince yourself though, you will always have moments of doubts because it is something unknown. But by getting knowledge in that field you'll get less and less moments of doubts.
Also,to be fair, even when you believe, you still end up with existential dread by trying to imagine what eternity is. Both eternal existence and non existence are concepts that our monkey brains just can't grasp.
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>>42040799
Your soul is immortal and will return to source. Your physical vessel is not so who gives a fuck. Being here for the 80-100 years is like a fart in a hurricane compared to what your soul is destined for. I take comfort and excitement in knowing what amazing things are in store for us all.
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these are my projections but,
think of it this way, say you're 30
are you still the exact same person you were, either mentally or physically at 5, 10, 15, 20?
as time moves along and you grow and change, in a way those people all die. You die every single night when you fall asleep and wake up a brand new person.
I understand that you fear the ultimate death, I mean trying to imagine infinite nothing is impossible and a lil scary too.
but it'll feel the same as it felt before you were born. Besides if you lived for say 500 years, you'd either go insane or become extremely bored long before then. When the anxiety flares up try to breathe and take a moment, go outside and look at the bugs just do their thing, that always helps me. The fact we get to exist in the first place is such a crazy low chance, and the universe will take it back eventually. Just enjoy the time you can, because any time spent with a smile is not time wasted.
and remember, comparison is the thief of joy. Live your life for you, and anyone you deem worthy of love, but most importantly you.
feel better, OP <3
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>>42042127
You claim you do not fear pain?
Oblivion terrorizes you?
Hah no this is exactly what our world is made on.
The angel of many names had the same problem and now we have to experience his choice. Why would you care if you are never born they are so attached to this life that they rather suffer eternity than not exist at all. Kind of pathetic
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>>42040799
no amount of reasoning will save you from the grave
no amount of accumulated wealth will buy you back a single second of your life
no matter what medicine comes you will not escape the inevitable decay of flesh
learn to accept mortality as something good and natural that saves you from insanity
when death becomes a silent promise instead of dreaded outcome you will learn to embrace it when it comes like a old friend instead of something that is trying to take your light away
eternity is a long time to suffer from old age and decay, death is a gift
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>>42042127
>There are other arguments but no absolute proof.
This is more a case of convincing yourself. Besides the thousands of NDE stories you also have past life regression hypnosis, children remembering past lives and mediums speaking to spirits (granted there are charlatans) and astral projection. All telling the same story, seeing and experiencing the same thing more or less. Add ghosts, aliens and other paranormal phenomena.
At what point do you accept the evidence? Mainstream science isn't going to accept as long as their stance is to debunk and dismiss anything that doesn't fit their model.
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>>42043278
Yeah, I agree with you. While individually these aren't proof but rather arguments in favor of the idea, I think that the overwhelming amount of said arguments constitutes one big proof in itself.
As for mainstream science, luckily we might live to see that change of stance happen.
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