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Gnosticism is just institutionalized misotheism Anonymous 03/02/26(Mon)00:09:25 No.42044974 [Reply]▶
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>God is flawed and you must seek to escape his material creation
That's basically just misotheism dressed up in philosophical language.
Gnostics are pretentious misotheists.
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>>42044974
Most other religions are just pretentious philotheists thoughever.
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obviously. I suspect the only reason gnostardism got a small revival is because midwits fed their brainfarts into llms and the closest in the training data that relates to midwit normal faggots perception of religiosity and philosophy shaped by libtardist media consume is gnostardism
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>>42045022
Yes, only Jupiter Zeus Olympiad Archons would use the scribes to build and coalesce their melted crayon that became Monotheism 3.0 (Zoroater/Melchizedekianism was 1.0, Abrahaism was 2.0) that human incarnate souls were to take seriously with reverence whilst the Jupiterean Pazuzu Zeus Asshats developed it into a Mystery Religion, not for them to worship, it was to anger and provoke and mock the Entity that had incarnated, Says Kendra typing with the Nobody from Madera/Wood, hell, did any of you get what Jose De Jesus meant when he explained on /x/ the Irony of Irenaeus' "Against Heresies" they created the GRAVEN IMAGE OF THE MIND on behalf of the tyrannical Olympiad with Tertullian and the others' Trinity Concept of is and is not one and all three.
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>>42045123
IIRC Gnosticism was first popular here on /x/ *ages* before LLMs became a widely-known thing. Maybe even well before the normie Christian invasion.
From a quick look through 4plebs, I found an OP from 2014 complaining about mainstream Christians invading Gnostic threads just like they still do to this day, lol.
https://archive.4plebs.org/x/thread/15358315/#15358315
>Lately, there has been a lot of tension between the christian and gnostic communities here on /x/. Lot of gnostic threads, which have little to nothing to do with mainstream christianity get boarded and it often results in some pretty hostile conversations, some even going as far as just blatant namecalling/threats.
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>>42045201
I am talking about every normal faggot platform having been overrun with gnostards for the better part of 3 years and the /x/ catalog having been flooded with stupid gnostard statements and questions. Sure there were the occasional gnostic threads but it has been an annoying scourge since normal faggots started to do hermeneutic spirals with llms in 2023
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>>42045221
Ah, well, between social media algorithms and AI the past few years, I'm never quite sure how much of the internet is real and how much of it is like a private dream that adjusts depending on what you interact with. When I first started using 4chan fairly often maybe a year ago, it seemed like the catalog here was heavily influenced by what I interacted with or what some spyware thought was relevant to me just like any other social media site, and it still seems like it does that fairly often. Like, early on after just reading posts for a while, I gave a long response to one post about Buddhism, and suddenly the catalog when from hardly any Buddhist posts at all to being full of them, increasingly as I replied to them. And there were anons in those threads complaining about the catalog being full of Buddhist posts all the time even though I had hardly seen any until I replied to one. And other times I'll look something up or have a conversation within hearing distance of a smartphone, and that will seem to influence the catalog too. So idk.
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>>42044974
It's pretty clear to anyone with basic pattern recognition that this world is not our home. It's a closed system that runs on cycles of dark and golden ages, and it's ultimately a dead realm that needs our energy to keep running, that includes the "heavenly" side of it. There's nothing you can do to affect any meaningful change in this place, you are just a visitor and you're here either to learn from the experience or to be a battery. With that said, I think the notion of materiality being evil is retarded and misguided. After all, by the gnostics' own admission, the elements, including earth, already existed prior to the creation of this realm, so the demiurge didn't create materiality. I'm sick of that shit being spread around, or the notion that people would rather exist as wispy little ghosts rather than having some kind of enhanced body they can level up.
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>>42045264
I am obsessed with staying "hidden" to the algorithms. Don't ask me how many accounts I operated over the years and how often I spoof my macs and apply other anonymizing methods, so I have a good overview on the trends beyond algorithmic compartementalization. Your perception of buddhism having seen a revival into normal faggot sphere roughly between '18 and '22 was real; it was heavily pushed, but since '23 Buddhism outside of ironic chud posting has seen a major correction and was largely replaced by the pop gnostardism.
The "dead internet theory" is bullshit, its the exact opposite, human content and attention seeking has never been that extreme and has been a constant exponential trend for decades now, but its in so far correct, that the fracturing and algorithmic compartementalization is pushed into smaller and smaller bubbles, which when being tracked and boxed by algorithms makes it seem as if the internet is "dead"
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>>42045381
If normies truly are getting obsessed with pop-Gnosticism now, I wouldn't be surprised if the way the internet has come to operate is itself part of it. The attention harvesting by social media websites isn't unlike loosh harvesting, and the way social media websites shift around the user to maximize their attention harvesting easily results in a sense of unreality.
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>>42045458
>I wouldn't be surprised if the way the internet has come to operate is itself part of it.
> the way social media websites shift around the user to maximize their attention harvesting easily results in a sense of unreality.
I agree, my suspicion is that we are in an aeonic shift, that is practically finished and the interregnum is over. The machine as a nexion between the causal and acausal — Ona got its end of the magian aeon, but its not Vindex that arises
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I suppose my view is close to that of gnosticism so I will reply.
I came to my worldview by a process of self introspection and observation. I came to the realization that I existed before I came into existence in this reality and was forced to inhabit this body. And this world that I live in currently is not my home. Therefore, the world itself is evil and not made by the actual true God. It is merely a flawed copy of the superior world.
Of course, you may object and say that I'm schizophrenic or that God is good. My response to that is that you are of this world which is why you are eager to defend it. I am not however and was forced to join this strange and awkward play that has no relation to me whatsoever. Hence, this is why you can never understand the truth as you are simply incapable of perceiving the stage we are on.
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>>42044974
>we must LE ESCAPE
Worst trope. Masters typically want to stay here, it's beautiful and they enjoy building beautiful things. Women are nice too. And food. And music, and art.
This is a great place, and only miserable hylics and people with ugly souls disagree and there are so many of them that you have to find a way to manage them and keep them from trying to burn your civilization down.
Creating society in this reality is no small feat. It's something that is only achievable by the grace of God, and just to reiterate, nowhere in the Bible does it say "you must escape this reality". The goal is to simply avoid hell. It's entirely possible especially with the grace of God to have a heavenly experience on earth. However if you do love this life more than you seek to enter heaven, you're probably not going to "enter the kingdom of heaven".
>Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
Matthew 19:24
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>>42044974
>"Christianity is cool and everything but what if like, it was like the opposite bro? What if like, god was evil, and like, heaven was hell, and hell was heaven bro? That'd be like, totally fucked bro"
Keep in mind you're arguing with people who un-ironically think like this.
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>>42045628
>The bible says
You mean the same book that was edited and had verses taken out for the past 2000 years? The same bible that was incomplete before 1945 when the Nag Hammadi texts were found? That bible?
Fuck off parasite. The truth is coming out whether you like it or not.
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>>42045670
>REEE DON'T EVEN MENTION WOMEN EVERRR THEY AREN'T NICE OR PLEASANT
Sorry to offend you SIR. I was born from a woman and I like them, as did Raphael one of my favorite artists.
>MUH DIIIIICKKK
Purile projection from a raging hylic.
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>>42045686
>ThE TrUth Is CoMiNg OoOoUuuUUuUTtTt
It already did, thousands of years ago. You're still seething because the truth is that you need to repent to the most high creator of wrong things you did, thought or said, and you're not capable because you're a raging narcissistic retard just like your daddy Satan.
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It's not about escaping and running away like a fag.
It's about keeping your true Ego intact and reuniting what was separated, returning to the Hyperuranion and then descending again, this time whole, and then transmuting the rest of the world. The Gnostic's mission is alchemical.
Every time you die, your spirit is reforged into a new body and your memories erased. Have you seen the movie Dark City? It's exactly this allegory.
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>>42045325
There is no need for a body; the limitless potential of the spirit is formless, timeless, and endless. It is fluid!
>>42045714
abrahylic
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>>42045726
>so miserable that nothing terrifies him more than the idea of staying here and being miserable
>pretends to pity others
Maybe instead of worrying about other people you should concern yourself with finding happiness. I shared why some people find happiness in this life and your reaction was to sperg out. You are the exact person mentioned, someone who unless they are managed by greater men will attempt to burn down the beautiful things we create because you are literally enraged by the idea of people finding anything beautiful or pleasant in this reality.
Good luck with your "escape" champ.
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John 12:25
Those who love their life lose it, and those who hate their life in this world will keep it for eternal life.
John 15:19
If you belonged to the world, the world would love you as its own. Because you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.
1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or the things in the world. The love of the Father is not in those who love the world,for all that is in the world—the desire of the flesh, the desire of the eyes, the pride in riches—comes not from the Father but from the world. And the world and its desire are passing away, but those who do the will of God abide forever.
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>>42045628
I played the demo for Tainted Grail last year and was really impressed, the story is basically about great men like King Arthur ending up in a hellish reality or purgatory or something and having to rebuild a kingdom there, and it might not be perfect or as beautiful as the original but they are able to do it and it's an incredible feat. This is all of course an allegory for human civilization and what we have managed to create in this "fallen" realm where wolves and bears can still eat you alive and you can freeze to death in the snow and stuff. It's all about creating heavenly or divine things in these difficult conditions. And at the heart of it all are the great men, like Arthur, who holds the divine blood or the "tainted grail" but in the game is actually loathed and despised by certain sects.
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>>42045767
anon, i won't articulate it further, you are an animal chasing the carrot on the stick (fleeting earthly pleasures) without seeking the eternal outside of it.
but keep pretending that your words offend others if it make you feel special about being attached.
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>>42045798
>I am BASED because I'm MISERABLE
There is a middle way.
The scripture is correct, especially in that clinging to your life can create a cowardice or compliance that makes it impossible to overcome the world. But when Jesus walked into a city, did he slap the toys out of childrens hands and tell them to stop having fun because enjoying life is a sin?
You have to be capable of nuance. You have to be able to interpret these verses without becoming an extremist retard. Many men have started cults with these austere interpretations and guess what they do? They have sex with all the women and breed communities to serve them while telling everyone to hide from the rest of the world.
In the hands of power hungry narcissists who uses all scripture to prove that they are right for being a miserable prick, the Bible can be wielded as a dangerous tool.
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>>42045800
Also the monsters and zombies represent hylics. Although it's part of an infection that's going around in the game, it's the same principle where hylics infect eachother with mind viruses and will try to eat you alive unless you manage them. The writers know what they are depicting.
This same principle is depicted in Game of Thrones (a song of fire and ice). Whitewalkers (hylics) have to be managed. Giants (the nephilim) have to be managed. And it's up to the royal bloodlines and their allies to do this. The average person is incapable or has no idea about these things because they will never venture to the wall.
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>>42045852
I like how you inferred what I thought when all I posted were verses with no commentary. So you even say "these austere interpretations" although no interpretations were given. The verses speak for themselves, I'd say.
My own views aren't quite so harsh, but I do think the gospel of John and 1 John are heavily edited and interpolated redactions of an earlier gospel and letter that did have a clearer anti-world and escape-the-world message. I think much of the new testament is similar. The Bible is like an inkblot that people can find whatever they want in by cherrypicking because it's the end-result of texts being co-opted and interpolated so they can be passably claimed to mean something different than what they originally meant, and anyone who happens to have a copy of the actual original can be accused of cutting parts out, like Marcion was with Paul's letters.
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>>42045936
>I like how you inferred what I thought when all I posted were verses with no commentary.
It's true was setting up strawmen only to make my own commentary. There is a large body of miserable chuddies on this website who need this commentary to help avoid becoming self righteous in their turning away from the world.
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>>42045970
They don't turn away from the world either btw. They continue to jerk off to japanese cartoons, rant hatred on /pol/ and seethe about various gender issues. Then they pretend to have gnostic insight on things.
Really helps one start to appreciate why monasteries were so selective in exposing the right people to scripture, and how secret societies come about. Rubbing elbows with raging chuds who can't discuss anything intellectually becomes exhausting.
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It's really quite simple anons: it's much easier to believe this world is a evil suffering farm than it used to be. Give the normies some substantive hope and they will go back to watching football and going to church on Sunday.
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The problem isn't in believing in God, it's in believing that his morality was ever human-centric in the first place.
God is not a human, his angels aren't human either, we project our own sentimentality unto him and that's a mistake.
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>>42046074
It is true, it says in the bible "his ways are not our ways". You make a good point.
Like some people wonder, why did the Old Testament God demand blood sacrifices and burnt offerings and stuff? How did they get anything from that? Were Jews just making up random rituals or was God really that particular about having the best sheep offered in the most specific way on certain dates. And really it can all be summed up quite simply - his ways are not our ways.
So later God sends Christ to interface directly with us and now we have ways of interacting with God that don't require these rituals because the great curtain at the tabernacle was torn asunder when Christ died on the cross.
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>>42046116
Yog-Sothoth is kind of like the Monad:
"It was an All-in-One and One-in-All of limitless being and self—not merely a thing of one Space-Time continuum, but allied to the ultimate animating essence of existence's whole unbounded sweep—the last, utter sweep which has no confines and which outreaches fancy and mathematics alike. It was perhaps that which certain secret cults of earth have whispered of as YOG-SOTHOTH, and which has been a deity under other names; that which the crustaceans of Yuggoth worship as the Beyond-One, and which the vaporous brains of the spiral nebulae know by an untranslatable Sign..."
—Through the Gates of the Silver Key
With the Old Ones being like the Aeons:
"The Old Ones were, the Old Ones are, and the Old Ones shall be. Not in the spaces we know, but between them, They walk serene and primal, undimensioned and to us unseen. Yog-Sothoth knows the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the gate. Yog-Sothoth is the key and guardian of the gate. Past, present, future, all are one in Yog-Sothoth. He knows where the Old Ones broke through of old, and where They shall break through again."
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>>42046393
And Azathoth is kind of like the Demiurge:
"He thought of the ancient legends of Ultimate Chaos, at whose centre sprawls the blind idiot god Azathoth, Lord of All Things, encircled by his flopping horde of mindless and amorphous dancers, and lulled by the thin monotonous piping of a daemoniac flute held in nameless paws."
—The Haunter of the Dark
With the Other Gods being like the Archons:
"the awful voids outside the ordered universe where the daemon-sultan Azathoth gnaws hungrily in chaos amid pounding and piping and the hellish dancing of the Other Gods, blind, voiceless, tenebrous, and mindless, with their soul and messenger Nyarlathotep."
—The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath
Who are in a sense responsible for ordering the universe:
"They danced insanely to the high, thin whining
Of a cracked flute clutched in a monstrous paw,
Whence flow the aimless waves whose chance combining
Gives each frail cosmos its eternal law."
“I am His Messenger,” the daemon said,
As in contempt he struck his Master’s head."
—Fungi from Yuggoth
But Lovecraft puts Azathoth above Yog-Sothoth, and he gives Azathoth the messenger-analogue of Jesus, Nyarlathotep.
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>>42046074
Correct. Anthropomorphizing the acausal has always been hilarious. The only thing more funny is that those that have come closest to the "truth" in an esoteric and mystic frame are the order of the 9 angles.
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>>42044974
Your assertion has several problems:
1. You assume that the god of the Bible is One Singular entity when in fact it is at least two separate entities with different plans and characteristics.
2. You assume that humanity is living in this world to be subjects of God, and nothing else.
3. You assume that language is a better communicator of God's nature than the natural world.
Until you address those assumptions and acknowledge that you are making those assumptions based on human culture, you can't progress in your understanding of the One True Creator.
Gnostic teachings are not dogmatic, and that makes you uncomfortable. Each man is responsible for attaining his own understanding, and the fear/authority-based system you were raised in sees that as heresy.
Who are you to tell anyone else what the reality of their belief is?
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>>42046396
Lovecraft's cosmology also includes the gods of earth, the great ones, who live in the dreamlands and are protected by the other gods. The Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath says that they collectively do their best to avoid humans, and it also says that they're not especially smart, so even some humans are smarter than them. But they still answer prayers occasionally, and sometimes the younger ones children with human women.
Between them being protected by the other gods and having children with human women, within a Christian/Gnostic system they can probably be most closely matched with the Watchers of Enoch.
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>>42045201
>Lot of gnostic threads, which have little to nothing to do with mainstream christianity get boarded and it often results in some pretty hostile conversations, some even going as far as just blatant namecalling/threats.
The very name, Gnostic, was originally a slur used against mystery school adepts, meaning "smartass" or "know-it-all". Christians' inherent worldview is based on human authority, which is supposedly delegated by heavenly authority. Without their threatening parent figure, these sub-functionals would not know what to do.
I love Christ, but those who consider themselves to be his adherents have a hard time living as he did, or treating others as he would. Almost none of them actually do what he commanded, and will be so butthurt when he says to them on that day, "Depart from me, ye workers of iniquity. I never knew you."
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>>42045628
>Masters typically want to stay here, it's beautiful and they enjoy building beautiful things. Women are nice too. And food. And music, and art.
Those points only apply in majority-white countries, which the brown people are now flooding into, thanks to the satanic fake whites. They flood because their homes are representative of what they are, and they can't stand looking in the mirror.
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>>42047439
What religion would that be? I ask because mystery schools predate Christianity by a large margin, with some estimates as high as 1000 years (the sworn vengeance on the sons of Seth mentioned being the earliest mention I'm aware of, in either the OT or the book of Enoch, can't remember)
Therefore it's Important to draw a distinction between Gnostic Christianity and Gnosticism (which was never really a thing, but rather is the label that got slapped onto adepts of the ancient mysteries in the Levant)
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>>42047439
There are indications in the new testament that early Christianity was like a mystery cult, so there were things only told to initiates (to you has been given the mystery of the kingdom... but to those on the outside everything is done in parables), and even among initiates there were different levels, so Paul talks about wisdom spoken only among the mature, and he distinguishes between followers who still struggle with basic morality, who should only be fed "milk," while the mature are given solid food.
Imo something close to later Gnostic mysticism was present from the beginning of Christianity or at least starting with Paul, but as it became more popular and was recognized as something worth controlling, it ended up cutting off its own root. And even before that, it was in a constant struggle with more orthodox Jewish beliefs, hence all the Judaizers Paul has to contend with.
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>>42047434
You misunderstand the seven-fold way. What you normal faggots see and get fed as propaganda by competing traditions is the external adept, ogres and edge lords. The first deliberately engages in, to itself antithetical causal roles for the sole purpose to shatter ego and build a sinsiter conscience; the inside roles, what you know as the o9a neo-nazis with the most known example being Myatt, a marxist and communist that went on to emerge into national socialist ideology and continued from there into an inside role as islamic fundamentalist — all in the service for preparation of the aeonic change
The second are unconscious nexion that have a natural low veil between causal and acausal and more often then not lose themselves in the unconscious attempt of developing sinister conscience and succumb to madness, examples being Ulrike Meinhof, Rasputin and Manson.
the latter are just larpers, exemplary the 764, mlm, com, terrogram plex. Edgelords that use certain aesthetic aspects for street cred and rooting their sociopathy in a tradition.
I stand by what I say, looking at the entire body of work of what goes under classic order of 9 angles cosmology is pretty fucking close to the reality between the perceivable realm (the causal) and the realm beyond (the acausal). And their methodology is not the worst for those that want to hatter the veil and act as conduit for acausal energy into the causal
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>>42047428
Your aeon is over. Christianity, Judaism, Islam and its derivatives are magian, relying on closed epistemic organization, priesthood and gatekeeping of informational flow in a vertical hegemonic top down fashion to control, exploit and extract resources from slaves. Such mode can't exist in an environment where the flow of information is essentially horizontal, fractured and anarchic, with no epsitemic organization being able to reach enough receivers to be hegemonic.
So no, I certainly don't carry on the Christian essence, one might call me even an Anti-Christ