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Reaping what you've sown edition
>Banzuke:
http://sumodb.sumogames.de/Banzuke.aspx
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoBanzuke/index/
>Fight Schedule & Results:
https://www.sumo.or.jp/EnHonbashoMain/torikumi/1/1/
>Some sumo links and how to watch live:
https://rentry.org/uwbgc88d
>Oyakata channel
https://www.youtube.com/@親方ちゃんねる公式/videos
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>>245698
I'm happy to move to this thread since it wasn't made by the Dan Spammer
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I can't stop laughing at this shikona.
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Speaking of London they really should've done a trip to a gym and lifted some seriously heavy shit. Instead all they did was tourist shit and eat food which didn't really do anything to challenge the stereotype of sumo wrestlers just being fatsos. Imagine if they saw Takerufuji shoulder pressing 200kg. "They're just fat" wouldn't really cover that.
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>>245783
Chris, the self-proclaimed Sumo's western ambassador is really not taking well the success of the London tour, he must be seething pretty bad about Sumo finally opening up to western audiences and he's not part of it.
Hiro getting to do SUMO PRIME TIME™ broke him, you just know he wishes he was in his place.
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>pass me the controller bro
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September basho started on the 14th. November basho is starting on the 8th. So not only is there less time than usual to wait but we got London kino in the middle of it. I haven't cared even slightly about sloppa for weeks.
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So banzuke tomorrow? im new to this shit
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>>245797
Thank you anon
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>>245796
For some reason Abi is positioned a little bit lower than other wrestlers in his line and looks a lot shorter than Oho because of it. Even Hoshoryu is taller than Kirishima and is shorter than him for some reason.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBRZx-4ofhQ
Chris slop. Comments still disabled, probably indefinitely now because I doubt his fragile ego could handle a wave of comments calling him out for disabling them in the first place in that ridiculous post-London schizophrenic rant.
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>>245865
That steak Oho got looked divine so it's probably just Chris making things up again. There's probably a vein throbbing in his temple because he hasn't been able to call the JSA racist against Hakuho for a while.
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>>245863
>that ridiculous post-London schizophrenic rant
Honestly a career ending tier shitloss, or it would be for a guy who hadn't sperged right past half a dozen of those already. Not hard to see why he'd feel compelled to turtle after that massive L.
>>245868
>he's getting dunked by plebbitors now
Oof.
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heres some news Chris missed:
Komusubi Yasuseinishiki (21, Ajigawa stable), who won 11 matches in the Autumn Tournament as a new sanyaku wrestler, attended a celebration in Osaka City on the 24th to celebrate the launch of his first personal support group, the "Osaka Yasuseinishiki Support Group." Osaka is a place of special memories for Yasuseinishiki, as he visited Japan from his native Ukraine and attended training sessions with the Kansai University Sumo Club. Kansai University alumni were among the organizers, and the event attracted 200 people.
"I feel very happy. I want to work hard to live up to the support they have shown me," Yasuseinishiki said, expressing his determination to live up to the support he received from his personal support group, which was launched in a foreign country, just over two years after his sumo debut.
"I can't wait to return to Osaka next year. I want to work hard and aim to return as an ozeki next year." His master, stablemaster Ajigawa (former sekiwake Aminishiki), was a guest of honor and spoke of his determination to help the master-disciple achieve his early promotion to ozeki.
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The supporters' association sets out its annual schedule, holding a send-off party in Osaka before the Spring Tournament each year. The master and disciple are aiming for promotion to ozeki by March of next year. Regarding the ozeki challenge at the Kyushu Tournament (first day November 9th, Fukuoka International Center), Takadagawa, the head of the judging committee (former sekiwake Akinoshima), who handles promotion issues, stated his principle after the final bout of the Autumn Tournament that "the starting point is once you've reached san'yaku," but added, "However, the door (to ozeki) is still open." While promotion may be contingent on the Kyushu Tournament, the benchmark for ozeki promotion is a total of 33 wins over three san'yaku tournaments. While Yasuseinishiki has achieved double-digit wins in four consecutive tournaments since his debut in the makuuchi division, he is still only in san'yaku for one tournament, so a significantly stronger performance will be required to be promoted after the Kyushu Tournament.
The Kyushu Tournament, which runs until the Spring Tournament next year, and the Hatsu Tournament in January, will see the 21-year-old dominating the action on the ring.
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So basically another 11-4 won't get him promoted in November, and anything higher than that will likely see him in title contention. A 13-2, assuming all are healthy, would mean he would have to beat at least one of the ozeki and yokozuna.
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>>245890
>another 11-4 won't get him promoted in November
Yes it will, they're just talking shit. They need another ozeki to balance and fill out the banzuke so they will be keen to promote to first available candidate ASAP. They talked up "muh tough and strict promotion standards" when Hosh's rope was at stake, but then they promoted him on basis of "well he almost made the grade and thats good enough"
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>>245806
>pic related
Got robbed. Should be the head gyoji right now.
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>>245890
>So basically another 11-4 won't get him promoted in November,
I think it depends on who he wins against, and whether he gets a yusho or jun-yusho. If he kicks the shit out of the sanyaku and has a high double digit record, that'll probably be enough. If he gets a yusho or jun-yusho with double digits, that'll probably do it too. IF, however, he gets his shit pushed in by the sanyaku but still gets double digits, and doesn't yusho or jun-yusho, I think they'll make him wait.
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>>245913
i already have the physique
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Nabatame
forma de demotion
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Teru went 1-3 v Yokozuna in his run. Thus far Dan is 2-2 against them with a basho in hand. Dan is guaranteed to have to fight more Yokozuna than what Teru did, with half a shot at a 50% winrate against them. He also has a JY, stacks of special prizes, and started his run as the 8th best rikishi in Japan which when Teru started his run would've had Dan at S1w.
Don't forget that places in the banzuke change relatively speaking. Teru was the 13th ranked at the start of his run, putting him where fucking Gonoyama was in September at M3w.
I could MAYBE understand denying Dan on 33 wins, but if he's denied on 34 it would be fucking ridiculous.
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Oozeki is very doable, for sure, but the strange discourse I see online are prospects of Yokozuna. With the current roster him winning two bashos in a row while at oozeki (after he makes oozeki) would require no les than three miracles.
I also find that prospect unnecessary, him hitting oozeki anytime next year is still beyond a respectable position to be in, he still has some great feats under his belt, especially in such a short tenure, but making 'zuna seems just that much further away
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>>245928
He's never wearing white again.
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>>245942
>With the current roster
This is a meaningless metric. It only takes one or two bashos to completely change the landscape of perceived strength. Remember when Kotozakura was a titan? Remember when Kirishima was a hair's breadth away from yokozuna? For all we know, by March Aonishiki might be the overwhelming favourite to win. However, it's a double-edged sword - Aonishiki is a hot prospect, one of the hottest we've ever had, but it only takes one bad basho to torpedo an ozeki run, one stupid loss to scupper your yokozuna chances, one awkward fall to injure you and change the entire trajectory of your career. This time next year, we might laugh at the very idea of Aonishiki ever returning to the san'yaku.
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>>245951
there is nothing saying the asanoyama match changed the entire trajectory of taker's career.
he is just "le strong push man" he has no special talent or ability, he is like a smaller weaker version onosato. his trajectory was probably always to surprise people when he was new and then to get solved quickly and become mid mægashira tier.
he is nothing to compare to aonishiki who is not only massively strong but also has the deepest technique bag in the division and quick reflexes to put his techniques into play. the way he reversed that throw on horse was god tier stuff, straight out of a harimanada episode
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>>245954
Onosato always had the technique to back it up.
>le right hand grip with le left arm block ad infinitum
And now that he's learn he can just stretch his arms out and push he's unstoppable. Takeru was never good. He punked out a cheap yusho because the matchmaking in Makuuchi is retarded.
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>>245953
I think the biggest factor is that he's such a new sekitori that he hasn't yet fallen victim to an injury that he can't take time off to heal properly from. It doesn't have to be a particularly bad injury for the constant tournaments and touring schedule to wear a man down. He's undersized for sumo and he puts himself in some very demanding positions to pull off a lot of his techniques, so an injury is bound to come along sooner or later. For me, the question is whether or not he'll be an ozeki when it happens, allowing him to use his kadoban allowance to try and heal.
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>Turn on slop
>New sekitori
>What the fuck? Who dis?
>It's Mita with a top knot
About damn time.
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>>245964
I meant someone winning their debut.
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>that's a completely different argument since now you're talking about rookies
Yeah, specifically we're talking about Takerufuji. People just keep pretending he had some comically easy schedule when he beat Onosato and one of the ozeki. He only lost to Hosh (4-1 against Onosato) and Asanoyama (should've probably been an Ozeki but he's a retard).
Now people just want to pretend like he's some shit wrestler when it's obvious he's just been dealing with a serious injury. I know sports fans are pretty famoulsy stupid, but I kind of expected better from this kind of niche sport.
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>>245966
>I know sports fans are pretty famoulsy stupid
>famoulsy
I don't disagree with your take on Takerufuji's strength of schedule, but bringing up debutants when it has absolutely nothing do with low maegashira SoS is also stupid.
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God I hate you retards sometimes.
I mentioned Takerufuji only as an example of social media posts blowing up over a new hot prospect when anything can happen. >>245944
It happens every time.
I WAS NOT trying to compare rikishi. Those arguments of "well so and so had an easier schedule" are even more pointless than speculating on the future trajectory of the wrestlers.
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>>245965
if you tsukedashi and don't make the top division before you tie your hair then its over for you, you're fated to spend your career in juryo with the occasional appearance and losing record as a high double digit megashitter
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>The conversation was about what I had in my head and anyone who says otherwise, even the other people I was talking to, is wrong!
I've been coming to 4chan since 2006. This is the only general I've ever come to where people regularly get autistic over who's replying to who. We're all anonymous here. If you jump into a convo with a non sequitur, you don't get to get salty about someone getting confused.
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Very spirited. This is why I slop.
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>>245979
>Okay maybe not Koga.
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>>245974
not necessarily, he might be one of those guys who can make it to 30 juryo bashoes and get a kabu. or he might end up making himself into a high school coach. it isn't over for him like it is for some of the worse cases in his stable, he is just fated to never make it past m12. those guys who have hidenoumi tier careers still end up doing pretty good compared to the average jap
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>>245983
Well... he has yet to kachikoshi, so I'd say it's too early to say anything.
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>>245988
I mean there was a snapshot of the guy's hand clamped in Mita's hair and pulling, and Mita's topknot was completely undone at the end but feel free to live in your little world where the shinpans are good at their jobs. Oh and it was Touhakuryu so Asanoyama wasn't robbed at least.
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Did I fucking stutter?
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>>245991
Ah yes, Mita's topknot, I see, it's so clear now
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>>246005
Yeah thats motoharu
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>sad trombone noises
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>>246026
sumo
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>>246027
I'm sorry sir, you are mistaken. This isn't sumo. It's /sumo/.
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>>246093
>Hakuoho denied komosubi
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big promotion for shishi on the 10-5, doubtlessly a disappointment for all the people who spent summer hoping for him to be demoted out of the division.
now that he no longer needs to tape his thigh he is force to be reckoned with, will probably earn another big promotion in november
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Can anybody explain
>elder stock
to me like im an absolute retard that just got into the sport like 8 months ago?
>>246104
frankly i hope so, its cool to have variety
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>>246106
I can't, but I know it's what all the oyakata (stable-masters and coaches) have that keeps them in the JSA after they retired from the dohyo. In order to qualify you need to make sanyaku or have something like 30 basho at sekitori.
Elder stock are very valuable and big
>SCANDALS
have erupted over them in the past. My understanding is that the JSA put the clamps on this with regulations... somewhat.
Beyond that... and there is MUCH beyond that, i know, I am as clueless as you.
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>>246106
The JSA is a closed organization, and you need to have one of 105 elder stock in order to be a coach, stablemaster, and executive within the organization. Eligibility to become an elder is based on results as a salaried wrestler as well as Japanese citizenship. Ozeki and yokozuna are allowed limited temporary elder stock when they retire, but only for three or five years. Everyone else has to have elder stock when they retire, or they're permanently removed from the JSA and can't return.
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>>246119
It used to be that you had to buy them from elders about to retire. This was a complicated process that basically amounted to who had the bigger supporters network and could win the bidding war. Pissing off your supporters network is the fastest way to get kicked to the curb (see Akebono).
After the post-2011 reforms, they're officially not supposed to be bought and sold anymore, but in practice there's still under-the-table dealings to secure funding for the JSA, part of which goes to repaying the elders who bought their shares before the reforms, as well as political jockeying.
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>>246124
>After the post-2011 reforms, they're officially not supposed to be bought and sold anymore, but in practice there's still under-the-table dealings to secure funding for the JSA, part of which goes to repaying the elders who bought their shares before the reforms, as well as political jockeying.
READ STUPID FUCK
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>>246127
Because the JSA is officially supposed to control all the shares, in practice it acts as an intermediary to ensure the grandfathered elders are repaid for having to buy stock before the reforms, plus ensuring they have a retirement fund set up. This also obfuscates the exact goings on since it's no longer a case of a rikishi directly buying stock from an existing elder. So the JSA basically has to say "we like this guy and his supporters club will take care of the existing elder financially, so he's approved."
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Yes
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>>246136
SUMO IS NOT GAY
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>>246151
It's one thing if he's using his own birth name, but a shikona should in some way project an image of strength. "Grass fields" don't really do it, even when paired with Mt. Fuji. In fact it can have the opposite effect, because it would project an image of constantly being at the foot of Mt. Fuji, unable to ascend.
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>>246152
>it would project an image of constantly being at the foot of Mt. Fuji, unable to ascend.
I was about to disagree with the first parts of your post, but that's an EXCELLENT point well made, sir! Please enjoy this rikishi on a bike.
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>>246154
>it would project an image of constantly being at the foot of Mt. Fuji, unable to ascend.
that could just as easily be construed as being able to bear the load and strong enough support an entire mountain, similar to the atlas supporting the earth meme, but more inherently japanese
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Dan broke the record for the fastest promotion to sekiwake for a non-tsukedashi sumo entrant. Probably beat nearly all of the tsukedashi starters too, except Onosato of course.
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>>246168
>Probably beat nearly all of the tsukedashi starters too
Not even close.
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I updated the "Your favorite manga, anime, or movie?" chart that some anon made from 2022 with the most recent banzuke (Nov 2025). Lot of new wrestlers since then.
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For reference, here is anon's original chart from Sep 2022. Some of the rikishi's favorite anime changed over these past 3 years.
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Thank god chris has a video for the november banzke out
i had to go to work before he uploaded it so i had no idea how to feel about the banzuke
gonna watch it now so i can be properly informed and participate in the thread
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Chris says onosato is out of shape
brb gonna bet the house on onosato
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>OH N-
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>>246213
>AAAAIIIIIIEEEE DON'T HURT ME ENDO-SAMA!!!
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Inside /sumo/ there are two lions
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I am a bit surprised by this banzuke. Never would have imagined Takanosho getting komusubi, or Atami only getting demoted to maegashira 6 after that 5-10. Takayasu holding onto that sanyaku rank is some funny shit, I am happy I got a picture with him in London
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This banzuke is now the 4th time out of 5 that Roga has gone 7-8 and not been demoted.
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>>246233
Depends on how you define "presence." The oldest toriteki will have the most influence on the routine day-to-day operations of the other toriteki, but when the sekitori and especially upper sanyaku show up everyone takes notice and caters to them.
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>>246237
I mean like training. Wouldn't it be such an advantage for the younger and lower ranked wrestlers to train with a yokozuna? Like in boxing if you joined the Robert Garcia Boxing gym there was a good chance you would be sparring against other world class champions year round.
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>>246238
At a certain skill gap you're not actually learning anything from just getting dummied around because there's too much for you to process at your skill level. That's why you need to be properly coached first, which is the responsibility of the oyakata and senior toriteki in the stable. Some makushita do get to train with the sekitori, but it's for the benefit of the sekitori first and foremost, like how Hakuho would get his stable's makushita to emulate the fighting style of his upcoming opponents.
You need to prove you're good enough to get to juryo first before you start getting personal training time with the sanyaku.
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>>246223
you look like a slob walking around without having shaved in past 6 days, you probably smell like shit too, look how enthusiastic he is to be standing next to you, even a polite public figure like him and thats the best he can manage, you're repulsive
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>>246235
azns are fairly crass, subtlety escapes their mentality, shishi's style of gown is reserved for only the highest ranking wrestlers, even juryo isn't allowed to sport that look. the bushido code or whatever requires him to dress like that as a means of publicly displaying his rank
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>>246246
>you're repulsive
yes but thats because he is british, everything else is superfluous
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do most of these torrents not work or am I stoopid?
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>>246263
The site works well for it's use case, being a place to watch the current basho on a self hosted platform.
This is the closest thing I know of since the youtube purge https://siznax.github.io/honbasho/
Otherwise you gotta start scrounging, manually download whatever you can find on youtube with yt-dlp. Rutracker has some old gems as well. Basically, you will not find a comprehensive collection of previous bashos except on individuals hard drives.
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>>246264
It's more that obvious improvements to the site are right there, they just aren't being implemented.
>Watch a single rikishi's entire basho by jumping from vod to vod
>Being able to watch shit older than a single basho
>A chatroom to spew shit about kiriSHITma's latest loss
He's doing a great service but dude.
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>>246264
oh well, I started downloading the grand sumo highlights and NHK sumo episodes during the last basho but I guess what's gone is gone. Sadly couldn't download anything from Grand Sumo Archives before the channel was deleted
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Next basho is probably the most "well duh" feeling basho in a long time. The Zuna are the clear favourites, Dan will get double digits, and everyone else's results will be more or less completely random. Juryo might actually be more interesting than Makuuchi this time round since we have not only Mita and the return of the Pussy Slayer, but my boy Goshima is finally sekitori. He's fucking humongous.
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>>246331
He has gotten his strength sapped by the kids with cancer
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>>246345
>chris is controversial because he makes good videos
bait?
>people see criticizing him as a means of selfishly focusing attention upon themselves
oh wait nvm you are just retarded
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He made a video criticizing certain aspects of the London tour, like the high ticket prices (which sold out every day), the reliance on sponsorships to make the tour happen (you can't expect to make a bank when you have to feed 180kg men and pay for their hotel stay) and the lack of effort in promoting the sport within London besides the event itself, he was mad the rikishi didn't got KNIFED on the street and didn't engage in local paki culture. He's just butthurt because the event was a success despite not being a "real" tournament as he was expecting.
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People were polite in Chris's comment sections because his reporting was fine. But his post-London video was a schizophrenic rant about the JSA not doing enough to promote sumo when the rikishi were all over social media. Not only that but he assumed that every big name in London would've been at the Royal Albert Hall if only the JSA had contacted them, when it's far more likely that no one worth knowing has any interest in showing up to a sumo event in the first place.
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>>246361
how far down did that sissy fall into juryo?
remember when ppl thought he was the next big thing?
then onosato blew right past him, taker never won another 'sho or even competed and onosato has won 5 since taker took home his fluke trophy
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Reminder that Takerufuji has never actually failed to win the Juryo yusho. Juryo is genuinely going to be more interesting than Makuuchi this time around if he competes.
>Makuuchi
Oh boy it's the two big dogs running away with it :/
>Juryo
Nigga we got Asanoyama, Mita, Takerufuji, and my boy fucking GOSHIMA on this shit
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AND HOW DID THAT WORK OUT FOR YOU, FAT FUCK
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would you drink
kiriSHITma flavored sake
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<New Sekiwake #Yaseinishiki>
Yaseinishiki, who was recently promoted to sekiwake, held a press conference with his master, stablemaster Ajigawa (formerly Amikishiki).
He expressed his enthusiasm, saying, "I'm not satisfied with my current ranking.
I want to aim for an even higher ranking.
I want to fight my own style of sumo at the Kyushu tournament and do my best to win at least 11 matches."
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When I asked his master, stablemaster Ajigawa (formerly Aminishiki), he said,
He's doing what he needs to do, so it's fine.
I want him to fight in his own style and achieve good results on the final day of the tournament.
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>>246428
kek anon
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>Teru's first Ozeki promotion
Started as #13 (M2e)
8-7, 13-2JY, 12-3Y (33 wins)
1-3 v Yokozuna
3 Ozeki on the banzuke
>Dan right now
Started as #8 (M1e)
11-4JY, 11-4 (22 wins)
2-2 v Yokozuna
1 Ozeki on the banzuke
Dan not being promoted on an 11-4 would be ridiculous. They can't even make the "we need to give him more time" argument since Onosato debuted at Ozeki in his 6th Makuuchi basho, which is when Dan would do the same if promoted. And that's before even considering that having a 2nd Ozeki on the banzuke would balance it out.
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>>246445
>but proves he isn't just a free win for Onosato I'd give it to him desu
Man this one still hurts
https://youtu.be/j14DNXPf2U0?si=vQ3r06dc3OxJ3sqN&t=41
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>What the fuck is this chanko
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https://www.nikkansports.com/premium/sports/news/202510190000497.html
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Sponichi has a feature on Dan's new Kyushu region training facility
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>>246483
Extremely common to drink your calories when you are bulking
Not necessarily straight ice cream but decent shakes with a bit of ice cream and protein powder and milk (for the macros) and fruit
I found that easier to do a couple times a day than adding full on meals
That was back when i gave a fuck about my fitness
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These fantasy picks honestly just feel like cheating.
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>>246503
https://www.stablemasters.ca/
It's not about picking your favourite rikishi, it's about picking guys you think will get good scores at their current rank. But this time around you can scoop up a Yokozuna and four (quatro) Sekiwake level rikishi. And Gonoyama should in theory be hugely underranked right now. He wasn't even injured last basho, he just didn't win.
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