right looks better

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>>288505644
I'll start us off

>>288506431
Zeref got such a downgrade it's hilarious

>>288506431
cat face Lucy is very punchable

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>>288505644
yeah Namek was peak

>>288505644
isn't the right by Toyotaro?

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this happened in the span of like 2 years, maybe the most radical decline ever seen
it'll probably be an eternal mystery what the fuck happened between those two years

>>288506986
No

>>288507010
all his assistants left

>>288507087
he had the same group of assistants for both drawings
they only handle backgrounds, not character art (unless there are some accessories to draw).

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Rumiko and it makes me sad what the fuck is that ranma

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>>288507010
The man is burned out, a common fate for Shonen Jump mangakas.

>>288507347
I'm glad it flopped because otherwise you'd see an upsurge of manga with extremely low effort art that everyone pretends is actually better, like what happened when black spiderman cartoon movie came out and now every cgi animated movie is ugly 2fps eye cancer.

>>288507347
>a common fate for Shonen Jump mangakas.
Not this hard and fast. Keep in mind that the chapters were shorter and he took several breaks.

>>288507347
he did all the things that a mangaka should to avoid burnout though. he took a long hiatus, worked on his own personal projects, took break weeks every month, decreased page count from 20 to 15.
even so, he completely fell off from what can be considered his peak to his absolute lowest, art wise.

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genuinely pains me to say this but hara
his rendering lacks clarity and his figures are too exaggerated

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>>288508075
Meanwhile, in Chapter 1114 (actual):

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>>288505644
Gege's is something to behold.
>from early 2024 to 2025/26

>>288505644
I don't think Toriyama's later style was bad but it just didn't fit Dragon Ball. Since he mainly worked on Dragon Quest after DB ended, it makes sense why his style shifted heavily towards something that fit DQ instead of DB.

>>288508523
Apples to oranges, plus his illustrations always looked uncanny.

>>288505644
Where is the right one from?

>>288508523
Ain't no fucking way Xitter's AI translation is so unironically dog shit that it can't up with "Samurai Waltz" for "Someone Hertz". It's literally written in fucking katakana: さむわんへるつ

>>288509391
Came up with*

>>288508523
it's mainly gege's way of coloring/shading. it works for the men he draws to make them look angular/muscular, but doesn't work at all for female characters.
he's better off drawing females in b&w

>>288505644
DBS Krillin looks like a little kid. toriyama went senile before he died.

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>>288508523
>So much of a fag that he can't draw cute girls anymore
Grim.

>>288507913
The girls in his newer Nobunaga manga look ridiculous.

>>288509447
His coloring and shading have absolutely nothing to do with him illustrating those characters with fucking Ken Penders-tier facial proportions, anon.

>>288507347
This is why i read Shonen Jump manga cautiously. 16 page chapter / week is just physically impossible

>>288509391
It does this all the time.
Manga names get swapped constantly.

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and it keeps getting worse

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>>288509510
This statement is retarded. Firstly because WSJ manga are 20 pages a week; it's not the 80's anymore. Secondly because there are mangaka in both it and other magazines that manage that just fine and then some. Osamu Nishi writes, storyboards, and illustrates Iruma-kun every week. She also writes and storyboards its monthly spin-off, AND writes and storyboards Ichi the Witch weekly. You also have mangaka like Masaguni Igarashi in WSM who have been working weekly for the better part of a decade, putting out art like picrel and actually improving over time. Yes, weekly manga is a fucking brutal career path. And yes some artists can't hack it. But there are those who do just fine and even those who thrive.

>>288509506
i'm not saying they'd look good either way but they'd look better if drawn in the same style as the b&w drawing.
if you look at his color drawings of jjk, they also tend to look pretty uncanny compared to his manga drawings
something about having to put color and details into a drawing makes his brain melt

>>288509733
His colored pieces have never been very good, but they were never THAT bad when he was being serialized.

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>>288509795
he generally didn't draw women in them

Why do artists art degrade? Is it on purpose or accidental?

>>288505644
Namek Goku's neck is leaning up, he's muscular, Goku's chest is leaning towards his opponent, and his hair is unrestrained. Meanwhile, modern Goku's neck is leaning down, he's slim but muscular, Goku's chest is titled away from his opponent, and his hair is restrained. The impression is weakened.
Regarding the later art style, the lines look thicker, and Goku's clothing looks elastic/rubbery/molded while his body and hair looks clay-like. Meanwhile, Namek Goku has a metallic sheen to his skin and hair, while his clothes are paper-like.

>>288509879
>Why do artists art degrade? Is it on purpose or accidental?
Some of it is just shifting in style. Toriyama wanted to become more rounder, comedic, lighter again. Some of it is wear; Togashi basically became shitposting material most of the time because of age and degrading health, poor care of himself. Some of it is offloading work onto assistants, which is how Berserk kinda became very different in its own ways later on. Most artists don't intend to "degrade", but if it's intentional it's either to fuck around a bit or to just change their focus.
Though you do occasionally get shit like Naruto just becoming too damn clean because Kishimoto wanted to make it look more like the anime and cut down on detailing work.

>>288509867
That's still perfectly serviceable compared to the shit he's put out since then. The face itself looks fine. Gege just isn't very good at coloring. But that's a far cry from the completely warped proportions in that other art and I can't fathom how you can't see that a massive difference there is between them.

>>288508075
I have to actively seek out the raws because the official scans are hard to look at.

>>288505644
It’s Condensation.

>>288507347
He got the fat check and is set for life. He won. Kishimoto ran the same race but in thrice the time span.

>>288507913
Literally sit down. He is above critique.

>>288507252
No fucking way that's her.

Change of artstyle =/= degradation

>>288509543
At least his arms aren't broken anymore. I didn't mind the change for Josuke because he always looked way too much like Jotaro originally.

>>288508075
>remember, kids, do not smoke.

>>288508628
I mean, Dragonquest mostly looked like Dragonball during Dragonball's run. When Toriyama drew the earlier DQ protagonists in his later style they also looked off. It really has nothing to do with DQ.

DQ does help hiding the flaws of his later style since the characters there have more detailed outfits than DB ones, so you see less of their bodies, but it's not like his style changed to favor DQ somehow.

>>288509879
In Toriyama's case he outright seems to regret some of his older art style choices, like how he had a note for Toyotaro criticizing a sketch he had drawn for giving Goten and Trunks since they're still teens (Talking about the Super Hero older teenager versions here), when Toriyama himself had given muscles to the younger Cell Saga Gohan. He also seemed to completely dump line width variety once switching to digital art.

>>288512288
i like the '92, '97, '05 and '08 art styles

>>288512288
The artstyle peaked in 05

>>288511387
his spine being broken is worse than his arm

>>288512288
2008 is the best. Kinda sad to go back into the habit of separating the eyes too much by 2011 though.

>>288509543
Besides everyone dropping the protein shakes post SDC i think the core issue is that Araki really struggles to make different faces now.
His style is refined when it comes to details and shading but he really needs to get a grip with faces, late part 7 was really egregorious with this.
Id argue the worst the manga has looked is early part 5, part 4's style did not fit it at all.

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>>288505644
Namek was good but the fluffy4s ssj hair was awful and lazy. Late android was much better even if it went too deep into musclefag shit. Buu saga was peak art.

>>288507010
He just didn't give a shit anymore, it started with the art and then around aging arc the writing started to fall apart from the mangaka not caring as well

>>288509543
I just dislike how Araki's current style makes Jonathan and young Joseph look anorexic.

>>288511443
>Oda quit smoking around the time skip
>his art has degraded steadily in quality ever since
Remember, kids: smoke excessively.

>>288509391
LLM translators shit the bed whenever there is anything remotely unorthodoxi in the text. It sees "へるつ"、doesn't recognise what it is, but it must produce an output, so it invents shit.

>>288505644
Retard.

>>288512288
Peaked in 2002

>>288505644
>>288508075
>>288507010
>>288512288
What causes this? Laziness, fatigue, not caring anymore?

>>288518542
Yes.

>>288507010
He just wanted to wrap it up

>>288518542
At least in the case of Oda, it was astigmatism, just losing your eyesight.

>>288507010
>>288507347
right is much better. it's called style you morons. left looks like what someone who is just learning how to draw would do.

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>>288518874
thanks for the laugh

>>288518874
ok picasso

>>288509478
JJK0 is hilarious because it looks better than anything else he's ever done and he just refuses to do it again

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>>288519084
>implying the source doesn't look like shit anyway

>>288509478
>>288519794
he poured every ounce of his remaining heterosexuality into that and now it's gone

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>>288505644

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>>288508075
>>288508229
I think the ears have changed the most

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>>288505644

>>288509543
Pic not related

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>>288520943
You didn't post any, but I can post another :)

>>288505644
Nah. Right looks lifeless.

>>288520580
>1991
holy thick...

>>288507010
>>288507347
I didn't realize it was that bad when skimming through the latter half of the chapters. It makes the kino punch page look better by comparison.

>>288509543
he's just a Jotaro clone in left

>>288507010
>>288507347
There's a fascinating doujinshi artist that exclusively draws trap forced feminization doujinshi, and all his character designs and art is blatantly inspired by Fujimoto.
Doesn't have Fujimoto's paneling sadly.

>>288514883
>Buu saga was peak art
Anyone who says this is an anime fag. Same with people who jerk off Cell, those arcs are loaded with Toriyama's art dropping off, skimping on details, characters all being sharp edges, etc.

>>288518631
plus other health reasons
humans were not made to sit hunched over for 30 years straight with 16 hours shifts, only moving his arms

>>288522867
I was a manga reader long before I watched the anime(since the anime didn't air where I lived and only had the online scans available) and I can tell I still prefer the Buu style. Yes, details and such may have gone down, but the style itself looked great

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>>288505644
Komi-san is the most blatant one IMO

>>288507010
>>288507347
>>288508075
It is pretty strange how so many Jump manga have turned into essentially sketches. I don't know if I just never noticed it in past series or if this is something relatively new.

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>>288509543
Araki peaked mid Part 4

>>288507252
You have gay eye

>>288506386
Nah

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>>288506986
Nah that's 2009 toriyama
The style Toyotaro uses is based on the buu saga

>>288527453
I love the style of SDC and SBR, the two best in my opinion.

>>288520580
1989 was peak, it only got downhill from the start.

I hate contrarians and want them to be tortured and killed in general, but One Piece having no real spreads anymore is a legit complaint.

>>288529108
There have been a couple recently but yeah, they've gotten much less common. I guess Oda seemingly trying to go faster means he doesn't think he can spend time on using 2 pages for less content. I'm sure Jump would be fine giving Oda however many pages he wanted though. Like Steel Ball Run when it was in WSJ would go up to 25 pages from what I remember, and I imagine Oda has much more pull than Araki did.

>>288529327
They won't let Oda do that because it's both a health issue and not wanting their last remaining giga series to end (Which is why they care about his health specifically)
But also most "spreads" are wastes on reaction faces anyways, when there'd be so much more impact with just making a real spread instead. So it doesn't even save space, really.

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>>288507010
>people here pretending Fujimoto's art was ever good

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>>288505644
Zyugoya

>>288518542
dying from overworking

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>>288507913
>where do you workout?
>at the home studio

>>288507913
I'm fatigued over normalfaggots. Any crying over exaggeration and proportions when you homos were all collectively circlejerking over that ugly freckled stick in the last few years is peak irony.
Cartoons, btw

What is the nigger above me yapping about

>>288531074
There’s been a lot more sex happening so forgive me for not noticing

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>>288531074
What the fuck

>>288524654
God she looks fucking horrific.

>>288531092
You mean karoshi

>>288524654
>>288532180
I still would fuck her

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>>288507913
Tetsuo Hara has been inflicted with actual corneal deterioration for years, he drew this with a poor eyesight. The fact he drew at all for the Yakuza game is a triumph.

>>288505644
>there's people who still don't think Toriyama was replaced

>>288518542
All of that at the same time.
I currently draw a manga and one page takes me like 10-15 hours. I cannot imagine being forced to draw an entire tome as fast as company mangakas do. I'd have so sacrifice a lot of quality, interesting angles, perspective, etc as well.

Berserk

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>>288505644
Itagaki

>>288531903
Not nearly enough paizuri + after paizuri for all the titty monsters. I could care less about boring, basic bitch nakadashi, especially with the constipated retardgao faces he draws now.
>>288531940
Tragic, innit?

>>288527777
Checked and based

>>288528833
Toriyama worked in magazines though. His style in the 80-90s are mostly for animation and manga. 2000s-2010s is for digital art. He consistently keeps Goku as too dumb to use his power and needing his friends to help. Goku just changed from country bumpkin towards a grunt. Toriyama complained that animators are just copying him which is why GT and Super are bad.

>>288520753
Why the hell would you go from the colored manga, that Oda doesn't work on, to the black and white version that he does work on?

>>288506579
he had to make him a child after he canonically fucked Mavis.

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>>288512288

>>288506386
this

>>288508075
This is the fault of the live action adaptation taking so much of Oda's time and the retards for watching it.

>>288518542
Oda literally works so much on OP that he only gets 3-4 hours of sleep a day and only 2 hours of free time a week. His work schedule got to the point where it was affecting his health.

>>288512288
>>288536092
how the fuck is this degradation?

>>288537002
Being deeply involved in the LA has made his art sloppy. Also why he takes so many breaks.

>>288537730
Turns out that working on manga weekly for almost 30 years + supervising some garbage live action is too much for the human body and mind

>>288532852
You're not Japanese so you will never draw a manga. It is impossible. It's a comic. You are a comic artist.

>>288524825
It's partly fashionable too as well.

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>>288531030
compared to the slop he was putting out by the end, yeah it was

>>288538245
Touched up by his talented assistants, obviously

>>288538281
he had the same assistants at the end

>>288505644
>>288506386
Right is better

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>>288505644
Toriyama's earlier art with slump and beginning of dragon ball was probably at his best. He became more tired and frustrated as time went on. The increasing clutter and density of lines and figures in the z arcs led to all kinds of wonky and jagged shit.

>>288509543
Part 7 tho

>>288506386
I'll go ahead and slip on my brass knuckles
You ready, boy?

>>288537380
I can see some people not being a fan of the way the art style developed, but it really is not even close to as egregious as the lazy or just bizarre changes we see elsewhere in the thread.

>>288536823
The LA is a symptom, not the cause. Oda has been overextended for years because Jump realized OP is basically a national utility and he refuses to stop micromanaging every spinoff, movie, game design, SBS fart joke, etc. Netflix just made it more obvious.

>>288505644
Much of the “deterioration” is simply the artist relying less on references and developing his own unique style. It looks strange because the anatomy is “strange,” and the poses are also affected since the artist uses stock poses because he relies less on references. I like Toriyama's new artistic style.

>>288506386
Im posting with bots.

>>288527453
SBR is my favorite arc, but I wish it had the artstyle of part 4. I feel like part 4 (preferably mid to late part 4) is the perfect Araki artstyle.
Parts 1-3 were still too Tetsuo Hara-like, and parts 5 to 8 are all repulsive visually. Part 4 was just right.

>>288519084
Mappa is fujotranny central, so it should have never been surprising.
This should have been obvious since Kids of the Slope back in 2012, which was long before Mappa handled SNK.

>>288540131
Mid SBR or even late is peak jojo

I really don't like the early (pb sc) or late (jojolion jojoland). Doesn't help that mid SBR unofficial coloring is god tier

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How can a manga art have such downgrade after just 6 years?

>>288537380
Wannabe purist.

>>288536092
the style peaked at 3-5

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>>288507252
>>288510352
It is. Around late Inuyasha, she simplified her art style to be more angular and have smaller eyes and features. It doesn't bother me with her newer series, but it is odd going back. I think she genuinely forgot how to draw Ataru. Some of her high effort drawings of older characters still look good, but they're clearly in a different style. I will say that I think she did it simply to be able to keep going. She's still operating on an absurd schedule and has basically been drawing manga nonstop since 1978.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makoto_Ogino
>Makoto Ogino (Japanese: 荻野 真, Hepburn: Ogino Makoto; May 26, 1959 – April 29, 2019) was a Japanese manga artist. Ogino's first manga was Peacock King. It was serialized in Weekly Young Jump from 1986 to 1989, and was published in 17 tankōbon volumes.
>Ogino followed up with Kujaku Ō: Taimaseiden (孔雀王 退魔聖伝) which ran Young Jump magazine from 1990 to 1992, and was published by Shueisha in 11 volumes.
>Ogino worked on a third Peacock King series, Kujaku Ō: Magarigamiki (孔雀王 曲神紀), which was serialized in Young Jump from 2006 to 2010 for a total of 12 volumes. This continues Kujaku's adventures from Taimaseiden.
>His fourth series Kujakoh Rising (孔雀王ライジング, Kujaku Ō Rising) ran in Monthly Big Comic Spirits since 2012 and has been published by Shogakukan in 6 volumes.
>Along with Rising, he published Kujakuoh: Sengoku Tensei (孔雀王-戦国転生-, Kujaku Ō: Sengoku Tensei) starting in 2012 for the magazine Comic Ran Twins. Ogino died at 59 on April 29, 2019, due to renal failure.
Ogino will always be an interesting case to me in that, unlike Miura w/Beserk or Takaya w/Guyver (please finish it before you die) he drew the same franchise over the course of 33 years and actually finished the final chapters of the last entry I think mere weeks before he passed away.
https://www.crunchyroll.com/pl/news/latest/2019/5/11/final-chapters-of-makoto-oginos-last-two-works-kujaku-oh-risingsengoku-tensei-to-be-published

I'm not sure you could necessarily call his art a devolution, but it certainly underwent an Araki-esqe shift over his career.

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>>288522987
Saiyans has to be the peak man. And I say this as someone who also loves Buu

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>>288505644
Kengan ashura was peak sovl.
Omega looks like ai garbage

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>>288515563
Araki's art was never truly good (it's stylish) but it's gotten so much worse in just the past few years. I literally thought picrel was fanart at first.

Their legs are way too short and their posture would make them fall over. Not to mention the unbalanced colors. It's really sad to see when he was just putting out his best work at the Ripples of Adventure exhibit 5 years ago.

>>288505644
The switch to digital has been the worst disaster Anime and Manga has ever seen

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Downgraded so hard that the boobs ceased to exist.

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Ohkubo comes to mind.

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This one is always funny to think about because the quality of the art style matched that of the plot.
Bastard is also a good example, but I don't have any images.

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>>288506431
Christ the shift to digital art completely destroyed Mashima style

>>288506431
Why did Mashima choose the pathway of endless slop with dozens of identical spiky haired braindead protagonists rather than two to three high quality planned out manga? He's been going downhill ever since Rave with his insistence on quantity over quality

>>288533142
I don't like the way he's drawing lips. And somehow, it looks more gay than usual.

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>>288505644
Im not sure how many people read hanebado! here but the art style changed about 4 times though out the series, Page here is from around early part of the 2nd quarter point of the manga, personal around the 3rd quarter part the art style felt really off

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>>288547117

>>288547117
>>288548259
I sort of remember their being less detail and everyone's neck neck and limbs being really long, artstyle does get back to good at the last arc

>>288547994
kek

>>288548285

The 4th art style imo was much better but yeah, they changed it up for volume 5 but that wasnt long after the art style wasnt quite as good

>>288514883
>but the fluffy4s ssj hair was awful and lazy.
Retardation. Hair is hair. It shouldn't look like a banana plantation. The buu arc is Toriyama's worst by a mile.

>>288520580
Glad to see someone took the old pair of images I made years back and expanded on it. I was going to post mine again when this thread was still new, but I realized I didn't keep my image folder when transferring everything across harddrives and reformatting so it's gone.

>>288532852
>I currently draw a manga and one page takes me like 10-15 hours.
you gonna post a page?

>>288547994
For me it's 2045

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Also, Jagaan.

>>288548739
This isn't /co/.

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>>288524654
I remember seeing everyone complain about this page
I think it's sorta cute

>>288548243
That's an upgrade, you philistine

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the classic

>>288549160
Gege really ripped off Togashi wholesale.

>>288549160
No, Togashi makes extensive use of tracing to create an uncanny effect. Ever since YYH, his art has been quite consistent when he has the time to do so.

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>>288549160
i think togashi's drawing skills have held up fine, he's just always been inconsistent with his style.

>>288544270
Was waiting for someone to post Miura. I think he had wrist problems and had to transition to digital, which fucked his workflow and had to basically learn how to draw again. Maybe I made that up in my mind. But anyways ever since his art went to shit everyone only wanted to know how the story ended and no one gave a fuck about the art anymore, shame how that went nowhere. Still worth a read just because its a classic and influenced a lot of stuff.

>>288520753
this chart's literally a decade old bub

>>288522796
If Jotaro live in the 50s like Hol Horse

>>288520806
Both are perfect.

>>288545008
Stop using this cope every time retard He's just getting older and more tired.

>>288508523
>>288509867
Every time Gege tries to draw girls, I am reminded by Kubo and how right he was. That man really can't draw girls to save his life. He was a bit better early on, but that degraded.

>>288544310
I think those are supposed to be the child versions considering the dog? Still shows how bad Araki's sameface has gotten though.

>>288551307
i'm guessing he used references but stopped doing it eventually which results in what we see now
some people just aren't built for it

>>288544829
Shit looks like something an anime adaptation would do, holy gayness

>>288522829
Wataya?

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Miura's character art peaked around Conviction. His backgrounds and composition kept improving though.

>>288542526
Wow, this is really different.

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this is great.

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Surprised nobody brought up Nihei yet. A lot of people say it's just a change in style but I think most still prefer the Blame and early Biomega style.

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this is shit

>>288552401
No it's not.

>>288552401
Wrong.

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>>288514412
>Araki really struggles to make different faces now
Holy shit, stop parroting this meme spawned by that one SBR cover where they’re all drawn after Britney Spears. If anything, he actually got BETTER at drawing distinctive faces. Reread the early parts and don’t tell me Joseph/Jonathan, Dio/Caesar are easily distinguishable.

>>288552436
>>288552856
The linework on the muscles is so sharp they look like they could carve a turkey.

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>>288515563
They just look normal now, not like Kenshiro clones.

>>288505644
Toriyama sucked at digital coloring so hard holy shit. he made everyone look like they're made of plastic

>>288544310
>Their legs are way too short
They're not.
>their posture would make them fall over. Not to mention the unbalanced colors.
You're just describing the appeal of Araki's art.
>>288551381
>Still shows how bad Araki's sameface has gotten
Autism. They literally have different skull shapes, eyes and mouths.

>>288553451
>Autism. They literally have different skull shapes, eyes and mouths.

They have different eyebrows and mouths, but the skul shape isn't different, just different angle. In fact, I wasn't even thinking about their general similarity when I posted that comment, it's really more about how they just like Araki's current adult faces. There's nothing there that indicates they're supposed to be younger than, say, Jodio aside from their leg proportions.

>>288553512
>but the skull shape isn't different, just different angle.
Jonathan has a rounder, softer face compared to Dio’s. And it’s not just because of the angle, Araki pays attention to these kinds of details.

>>288545531
After Fairy Tail's huge success and it being his magnum opus, he said he creates new manga in the hopes of one day surpassing it.

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>>288547994
this anime's art style is an interesting case to me because each director has total liberty on how to draw the characters, so it keeps fluctuating between 2005 and 2030. it seems to be related to how the studio operates because doraemon also suffers from this, although it isn't nearly as noticeable as kureshin's case

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Asano Inio, his "so quirky" character designs are dogshit. Physically painful to look at

>>288553648
He should probably try writing well if that be the case…

>>288552194
Going to digital had catastrophic effects on Miura's art

>>288554544
is that yes man from fallout in human form

I can't beleive it's so common and expected to have 1 person write and draw an entire manga series for years on end. Why don't we get more artist/writer collabs like dr stone. It consistently had fantastic art, incredible pacing, almost never took breaks, etc. I'm guessing it's just pride?

We'd have hunterxhunter finished by now if someone else just did the art. One piece wouldn't have 18 week flashbacks rehashing information we already knew about.

>>288555614
from what I've heard, togashi has gotten offers to have other people help with the drawing but he has always refused it.
some of these guys are pretty stubborn about maintaining full control of their own series

>>288552301
It's sad

>>288555614
editors often help with the story and assistants help with the art.

>>288542526
yeah this aint it

>>288506431
He was never that great art-wise

>>288507252
>>288542176
I think the new style/right one looks fine, but then again I'm not a nostalgia-poisoned boomer.

>>288549259
The entirety of Jujutsu Kaisen just reads like a spin-off to HxH. The resemblance is very uncanny.

>>288557244
I never really liked JJK because the author has no vision or a message he's trying to convey. On the subject of his art, it really felt like he traced over Togashi's style and while he captures it really well in some places, his style lacks identity too.

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>>288552374
Great art.

>>288557804
i don't think gege ever expected to make such a big hit on his first try basically.
it was probably just going to be a fun hioh school brawler manga but it turned out to be his life's work because of how successful it was.

>>288557941
The same can be said for a lot of successful manga artists. Life can take an unexpected turn and I don't think any of them were really expecting their series to blow up. They usually don't plan for their stories to last long either, probably 50 or 100 so chapters at most.

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>>288548636
Yea last arc felt like a good mix of the starting artstyle and the middle art style, I do wonder if the change during the 3rd half was just the author wanting hanebado! to be something different or if he was just tight on deadlines

>>288552194
Berserk definitely had some noticeable struggles when Miura went digital. It also had the unexpected issue where he sort of become "too good" with digital which I wouldn't be surprised if it contributed to his health decline.
I believe there's an anecdote where his editor walked in on him drawing a spread pixel by pixel and had to tell him to not fucking do that. I think it was a spread of a tree?

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>>288524640
>>288524654

>>288558791
>chapter 377
Nips will support fucking anything. I can't believe this shit and kanokari ran as long as they did

>>288556686
It is just a bit jarring with older characters. You get used to it. It is definitely not as detailed as her older art, characters tend to be even more same face and she has definitely gone a bit plainer with backgrounds and framing. Buuut, it still looks fine and gets the job done. And when there's a scene she wants to put her whole ass into, it looks great.

>>288554273
Haven't read the right one but it looks awesome. Super-skilled artists picking up cartoony aesthetics rules.
>>288507913
No interest in the game but that cover looks badass and the exaggeration rules.
>>288544896
Weirder =/= worse.
>>288544245
Daromeon is an actual contrarian AI fag out of his hatred for Japanese copyright psychosis - which I used to hugely respect when he just openly worked with Hokuto no Gun, but in the case of AI it's "two things can be bad at once".
>>288552401
It got more simplified because he had to spend an increased amount of time thinking of more elaborate story progression concepts & how to execute them (or scrapping them & starting over when Torishima went "This is boring shit, man") instead of taking the "Hmm, what will I draw today?" approach from the kid Goku half, Post-timeskip is extremely solid all the way aside from one huge dip in the android saga (I suspect it's when he had to draw the Gohan & Trunks special on the side, but I could be wrong). He barely understood muscles in the first half while the "Z" half is when he became "weekly shonen Otomo".
>>288547994
Funny picture but I like more exaggerated Shin-Chan.

>>288524640
>newest
Nigger faggot, it's called "latest"

>>288558863
Komi actually ended. Unfortunately, rental whore is still chugging along as far as I'm aware.

>>288558863
37 volumes actually lol

>>288559342
>>288559399
I was unaware. Maybe there's hope that rent a retard will end one day too

>>288559525
>one day
45 volumes to get to their first non-rental date
sure, one day...

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I don't really think this one degraded but whenever I post it, a lot of people seem to like the rougher art style better.

>>288559582
Always happens. The page on the right displays great technical improvement, but the rougher style on the left comes across as more fanciful and experimental. The reader may perceive there being more of the artist's inspiration and intent (and maybe even excitement) baked in it, and it may have taken the artist a lot more time and effort to complete.

Often art style "degradation" is just a case of the artist improving technically, settling into a work routine and then pushing out pages by the numbers. There's always something lost along the way, some amount of though, effort, detail, passion etc. when you get so competent that you no longer feel like having to prove yourself. It's a big factor behind many of the other examples posted in this thread, too.

>>288531030
It was passable

What is the reason for this? Is it just laziness? Why does everything inevitably get shittier as time goes on?

>>288562318
Traditional just takes too long to finish and it's a pain to fix a mistake that digital can't just do easily.

>>288562318
It's not necessarily a loss of skill. After drawing nonstop for a long time, mangakas may start looking for more efficient ways to work, sometimes without even realizing it.

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>>288562826
More often than not, it's also really just a matter of age and not having the same energy as when you were younger. Kazuhiko Torishima even talked about it once on the subject of Toriyama's art looking bland after going digital, and how age affected him the same way it affected Osamu Tezuka.

>>288563782
What age is the tipping point? I'm more familiar with the examples from animators but a few famous ones said that around 40s and 50s their fine motor control isn't what it used to be, eyesight isn't what it used to be and they don't have the energy to put, well, energy into their drawings (when I say this I mean something besides the stamina to get through a work day)

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I definitely prefer Azuma's old style when it comes to characters, when they had "reflections" in hair and eyes, mostly because they didn't feel kinda flat or lifeless.

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look how they massacred this slut

>>288558762
miura was always bad at painting, but the digital one looks so much worse because it basically has no texture, the forms arent described as something that is moving in a 3d space because there's no lines on it indicating that and the values are also a mess, there's barely any difference between light and shadow except in the darkest creases where it quickly becomes too dark, it really looks like someone who first tried digital overdoing it with the blending

>>288520806
akamatsu always had a bit of a sameface problem, but my god look at the mouths and expressions on the bottom. same fucking face on everyone

early negima looks so much better than late negima and UQ it's ridiculous. sticks out to me every time I reread the first few arcs

>>288542176
It's mostly her inking that makes it painful. On her Twitter, they'll post manuscript pencils as well as the final page, and its consistently the case that the inking changes positions, angles, and just seems to have less personality.
https://x.com/i/status/2059474438496883152

>>288554575
He already showed he could write well.

The thing is, his best written work was his first work: Rave Master.

>>288533142
I have great respect the Baki guy cause he can draw great art but chooses to draw in the ugliest of styles for his manga.

>>288553117
I prefer the Kenshiro look, same way like Simon Belmont is Conan clone.

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>>288524654
Hey, it's Nano's distant cousin.

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>>288505644
I still liked Toriyama's later artwork, but it's obvious that what Toei and the fans wanted out of Dragon Ball and what Toriyama wanted were completely different things and they should have either let him have more say in the direction or just cut him out of Super entirely. All the new forms were lazy as shit and the new characters clashed with the old ones like it was a crossover anime.

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>>288552194
>After her trip to a South Korean doctor

>>288507347
This is why LN>Manga

>>288569594
LN writers don't get burned out because they just throw whatever shit they think of that morning into a chapter and call it a day. Oh yeah and add 1 or 2 illustrations, though often that's another guy that does that.

Where is /a/'s manga?

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>>288569955
Here you go.

>>288531030
It was, but people act like he didn't exist before CSM

>>288552374
I still love the way it looks, very few can show so much detail and scale or characters emotions from far away with minimal linework

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Takeuchi peaked nearly two decades ago.

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>>288569299
People just want to see their old favorite characters actually do something and Toriyama forgot them all. One of the major problems of Toriyama's later Dragon Ball works is that he forgot everyone who wasn't Bulma, Goku, and Vegeta. Goku's own wife and kids got sidelined as hard as Goku's father and adopted (grand)father. And even when Toriyama remembered that Goku was supposed to be a loving father and husband, he flanderized the shit out of Chi-Chi and Gohan. How many times did Chi-Chi get mad at Goku for having a life outside of earning money for her? How many times did Gohan have to relearn the lesson that he shouldn't skimp on his training because the last big bad disappeared?

His art degraded just as his writing style did. Just like another artist who got popular at around the same time - Araki.

>>288549062
Left is much more dynamic with the way the bat is compared to her body. Right is almost perpendicular. Left has speed lines drawing your eye right to the place of contact while right speed lines stop around the catcher for some fucking reason. Left angle with the bat striking the ball just below the glove in the background give you a strong impression of intercepting the catcher and actively nailing the ball. Right looks like the pitcher underhand tossed the ball right to her. Anyone who genuinely thinks right is better is deranged.

>>288554544
More like Hideousman...

>>288541852
Gege is one of the worst because not only did the actual quality/skill of his art degrade, but his ability to even draw different people fell to pieces, by the end of JJK everyone had the exact same face but with different hair, despite all having their own distinct faces and features in the beginning.

>>288571396
>His art degraded
This only applies to Jonathan and Joseph and it's mostly due to them being really similar, otherwise Araki's art has improved overall and while I haven't kept up with Part 9, even the end of JoJolion had beautiful panels. Don't get me started on his individual artworks that he does for expositions and events

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>>288571396
Goku looks so deranged during the final chapters of the Buu arc.

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>>288571667

>>288506431
The left pic has me noticing that Fairy Tail takes more after Bleach and Naruto than it gets credit for.

>>288571472
That's just your opinion.

>>288571704
WAKU WAKU, IS THAT A STRONG KID THAT I SEE?

>>288514883
Ragebait take? SSJ hair was given hair gel because that made it easier to draw.

>>288572134
And it looks beter. SSJ hair itself only exists because it was easier to draw than inking in black hair on every page.

>>288512288
97 was peak

>>288564648
I mean, Tezuka said in his screenshot it was 55. But I'm sure different things go at different rates.

>>288570995
Anon, it's 2026 now.

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>>288506386
Kill yourself

>>288573543
Sorry, I didn't read the image.

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>>288574205
And? He peaked in 2008.

>>288507913
I don't even really like his art by the time of Souten no Ken.

>>288571396
>How many times did Chi-Chi get mad at Goku for having a life outside of earning money for her?
This is 90% Toei. Look at the scripts of the Toriyama movies in comparison. You can see Goku getting dumbed down due to Toriyama deciding him and Vegeta should be a pair, so Goku became the "fool" for Vegeta's "serious" one, like in a comedic duo.

>How many times did Gohan have to relearn the lesson that he shouldn't skimp on his training because the last big bad disappeared?

This is a combination of two elements

Toei themselves ignoring a bunch of their changes to BoGs/RoF since it'd clash with later story arcs. Thus Gohan returning to training post-RoF got throw away since he wasn't supposed to be a fighter in the Trunks arc. Then they redid it when there was the build up to the ToP since he was part of the team, but...

The other issue is just Toriyama completely ignoring what everyone else did and doing it again in Super Hero. But Toriyama himself didn't write this plot twice.

>>288575166
>like in a comedic duo.
Which I don't mind because Toriyama is a humor writer. Even when Dragon Ball was more focused on action after Goku grew up, Toriyama's passion is comedy.

>>288507010
>>288507347
Man I'm glad I stopped reading after Makima's death. Seemed like a perfect end point so I put off reading more for a while and it seems like it's lucky I did.

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>>288537002
Sometimes I wonder what would happen if a major mangaka passed away due to these inhumane working conditions, leaving their work unfinished. Would the industry actually change, or just stay the same? Imagine if Oda died after working 15 hours a day for over 20 years. People would be absolutely furious.

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Same fucking character

>>288544245
Omega is literally drawn by AI. I am not even exaggerating. The mangaka admitted to that.

>>288505644
Toriyama has just always had style shift.
In his early days, a lot of his characters would be drawn kind of lanky if not realistically proportioned come Slump's start.
As Slump went on, characters were deformed into what would be known as "SD" or Chibi style, which Toriyama basically coined.
That was maintained into Dragon Ball, which then approached more realistic designs with soft muscles until eventually under his second editor, Toriyama gave the characters stiff washboard ab type bodies like in the pic- a style which is technically less impressive than what he had been doing prior in all honesty.
Following Dragon Ball's conclusion he just returned to his original, more simple style, but its his time on DB that caused the 'degradation', resulting in lanky chibis rather than his old chubby chibis.
Honestly, I would've loved a version of Dragon Ball drawn entirely in his lankier kanzenban art style.
>>288571396
>One of the major problems of Toriyama's later Dragon Ball works is that he forgot everyone who wasn't Bulma, Goku, and Vegeta. Goku's own wife and kids got sidelined as hard as Goku's father and adopted (grand)father.
Because none of them are main characters lol.
Chichi was never relevant. Grandpa Gohan was never relevant. Burdock existed in exactly one page of the manga, in fact, pretty much all of Toriyama's work on him was done in the 2010s-20s.
Gohan was also dropped because he wasn't interesting to write. The manga outside of that one attempt at trying with Gohan is always Goku encountering something new. Goku and Blooma, Goku and the tournament, Goku and the RRA, Goku and Tsuru-Senin, Goku and Piccolo Daimao, Goku and Kami, Goku and the Saiyajins. Namek, Cell, and the start of Boo are the sole exceptions.

>>288548243
Both are dogshit.

>>288576608
look at toriyama and miura whose conditions responsible for dying were still triggered long after their prime of brutal nonstop comic making. effects of past stress bites you in the ass no matter how delayed.

>>288576608
Death doesn't mean always going out like a bullet to the head and usually end up in the hospital before dying. No one just dies outright right away from health problems basically however some have died at their work place even animators. One Parot Studio animator who worked on the Naruto anime passed away at his desk a few years ago. Complained about a headache and was going to sleep it off at his desk only to never wake up again.

>>288576608
It's about to happen to the Ippo author

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>>288559562
Miyajima will definitely milk this out for as long as he can milk it out since he struck gold and it's probably the only successful entry he'll have in his career

>>288577596
sounds like a weak pussy

>>288544829
It's so weird because she was in the dialogue noted as having big boobs, but later she has breast envy. Freaky.

>>288512288
All are cute.
Well volume 1 is bit too uguu

>>288577536
didn't toriyama have like a brain tumor or something. I'm not sure what him being a mangaka had to do with it

>>288578086
He died from Mangaka disease

>>288542457
What the FUCK happened in the middle?

>>288571704
>>288571667
Stop looking at me like that...

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>>288505644
Toriyama peaked in the Cell arc, I really loved his shading and the way he drew muscles