Did some of you faggots also catch the KAngel livestream earlier today? https://www.youtube.com/live/o07OFwj8ESw No wonder they deleted the archived stream, KAngel (Amaki Sally) suddenly blurted out how Michica's VA is making so little money she can't afford to live in Tokyo and has to commute an hour to work, amongst other things. Also how Karamazov's totally going to lose next episode.
>>288546661 >Michica's VA is making so little money she can't afford to live in Tokyo she actually hates everyone, nyo... >spoiler BASED that's what you get for trying to kill GOD
>sleeping >have dream of playing S4League >playing against plasma sword autists >so much fun >remember the FEELS >wake up >see this thread >see this webm >>>288562150
It is in this moment that ame's heart took a CRIT straight into the schizo. The irony of Deadly Poison Denpa Girl Purple Lollipop's words being medicine against the schizo figment of ame's imagination, P-chan, yet acting like poison. Bravo.
Seriously, how can you not love this anime? It's just so much fun to watch. >>288562227 >Did we even need Some things are worth doing for their own sake
>>288564058 It's literally word-for-word copied from Osamu Dazai's Kakekomi Uttae (An Urgent Appeal) which is his fanfiction about how much Judas wanted to fuck Jesus There's a translation of it here: https://brownricecookies.wordpress.com/2018/05/06/dazai-osamu-an-urgent-appeal/
>>288564326 >his fanfiction about how much Judas wanted to fuck Jesus You're completely missing the point. It's basically just a complete braindump of ramblings about the inherent conflict of humanity against the truly brilliant, shining people, with Dazai self-inserting as Jesus (and here nyalra probably self-inserting as KAngel).
>>288564415 Yes, while they were fighting on top of a giant chainsaw in space, when Lollipop swung her gattling gun at KAngel, it got parried by the magical girl wand which opened her up for a volley of fireballs from the floating bibles
>>288564262 Statsfags will hate this, but eye-testers know this is a top 3 anime >>288564326 Oh damn. If this was the actual Bible I'd actually go read it.
>>288564658 Perhaps ironically, Lain didn't get across to me in any capacity whatsoever. But NSO speaks to my soul so hard that I'm reeling after every episode.
>>288564658 >social commentary IMO it's not commentary so much as it is observations, both here and for Lain. It's a story that exists alongside depictions of how a portion of the internet is at the time of it's creation. Nobody is trying to tell you that it's good or bad, just how it is and how it effects some people
>EP starts >Author's cock already peeping through asking for the handy Can you SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR A MOMENT NYALRA, write a fucking autobiography faggot jesus christ
>>288564326 Really tired of this trend of otaku writers having their characters mouth off lines straight from works of accomplished authors in order to introduce them to the audience and then they extrapolate on them. Subahibi writer has this same problem too. It's like if Lord of the Rings started with the Frodo and Gandalf having a bible play before moving on to the story itself.
>>288565044 The point? The point is that the struggle is pointless. You never had a true fighting chance against a real genius. All normal people can do is rage against the machine. But they're powerless to change it.
>>288562227 the ending of it was retarded, unearned victory by shitpop. The concert was so fucking cringe I'd rather the battle.
>>288564658 Lain had actual (and correct) commentary, this is just throwing shit at a wall with disjointed quotes and names, there's no message whatsoever besides 'seek help if ur sick in the head'
>>288564707 I feel awful knowing we're supposedly the same species. Please tell me which continent you live on at least
>>288564707 >But NSO speaks to my soul so hard that I'm reeling after every episode. I really hope you're underage. It so sad imagining an adult man saying this.
So what ending is this anime following again? Also how old is KAngel in this? They keep calling her an old lady, is she actually supposed to be like 30?
>>288566122 She's probably like 25 I expect it's been at least a few years since NSO (the ending where she becomes an international sensation but not the part where she convinces everyone to abandon the Internet)
Wow amazing nyarla, maybe actually make an anime depicting this, because we've seen Kangel - Ame - as a human plenty, PLENTY, P L E N T Y of fucking times, way more so than her angel self. Lmfao
This anime does all the stuff that hack frauds like to do but it took the time to go through the proper procedures to earn the right to do those things. Some people can't tell the difference anyway though.
>>288564762 In subahibi it feels more like the characters are just telling their thoughts on books they've been reading or relating random factoids they have learned to the current situation, in here it's different since the characters and the narrative and direction of the anime itself is making a parallel between its own events and characters and those of other works to a way greater extent. It's more similar to the sun and bird fable in shibou yuugi or utena if the witch and prince fairy tale in utena actually existed irl. The sensations the two approaches give are quite different in my opinion. Though I don't think either is necessarily bad.
>>288566321 Retard. Everything good was made by smart people - media have been sharply declining in quality with the passage of time because of the retarded cattle that currently populates the world.
>Next episode has been so controversial that we’re practically fighting over whether it can air at all. >That’s how dangerous it is. But I hope we can properly depict the “god who was killed” and the sin that follows.
Way to hype it up Place your bets what will broken Ame-chan get up to next time
>>288566366 NGO doesn't really feel like it even has characters in the first place, they're just authors mouthpieces. There is 0 fucking reason for karamazov (and especially lollipop) to be into russian literature and christianity. Even the very fact this it the title of their groujp is nonsensical, they're fucking HS dropouts, which one of them would ever touch literature? Subahibi talks about X and uses literature to reinforce the point, NGO just quotes and namedrops to pretend it's making a point. It's nyarla gushing about his interests.
>>288566364 It really didn't - just because it did it 30 times by now doesn't magically make it fine
>>288566446 >if I double down it'll look like I was shitposting Fine.
>>288566145 >In every sense, I want KAngel to finally be allowed to sleep. >She is a being destroyed by the desires and expectations of countless people. >This is the original creator’s plea. Please stop using her like a broken toy for your own convenience. >I killed her because I wanted her to rest. Nyarla is killing his anime, his entire franchise... intentionally. It's amazing. This shit has layers to it.
If only he actually developed the characters the way he talks about them here, if only we didn't get retarded pointless shopping episodes. Needed to properly show what Ame's going through and made a proper fucking point.
What the fuck does Michika even have to do with Ame - why would she be needed to kill her? At least the whatever her name was tomboy one talked to her and could have something on her - but then why not have her say anything and only depict it as some retarded accessory? Ran out of ideas, retarded hack? If it's a holy trinity have all of them do it, jesus...
>>288566145 >Next episode has been so controversial that we’re practically fighting over whether it can air at all. >That’s how dangerous it is. But I hope we can properly depict the “god who was killed” and the sin that follows. ??
>>288566509 >It really didn't - just because it did it 30 times by now doesn't magically make it fine Tell me then, what can a writer possibly do to earn your approval if he wants to use a Jesus allegory?
I really like the visual of that thing. That said I doubt he'll show anything that warrants this hype - not after they aired the new higurashi where we got half an episode dedicated to scattering innards with 0 censorship.
I think the show might finally get good though, for real. Like episode 3, maybe a proper fucking point will be made again.
>>288566559 >>288566597 If you actually remember how he talked about her like she's his daughter it's infinitely more cringe. The fuck is the point of this - stop having fun with the character I made? yikes with the daughter association
>>288566668 I neither know nor care why you are like this. But I pity you. You're just playing the fool at this point. It's clear that you've never created anything, spent years upon years of effort to make something, only to see the masses tear it down the way you're doing right now.
>>288566660 Nothing specific? My issue with this is the show has no characters but mouthpieces for nyarla, thus almost everything feels awfully forced. Embed it into the show and it's themes properly. I want to think 'wow that's a jesus reference', not have nyarla walk up, bring a cross within a centimeter from my eyes and scream at me bible quotes occasionally telling me to LOOK ITS THE BIBLE, ITS JESUS, AND HERE'S JUDAS spitting all over my face. Though that would be acceptable in certain cases too.
>>288566651 Im reading/watching something filled with issues and I feel like expressing my thoughts on them. Not angry, having fun.
>>288566755 No one deserves recognition for trying. If he's made shit then he should be told he's made shit. Negativity is the strongest medicine, provided the recipient isn't retarded. Do something cringe, be called out harshly and thus internalize the mistake and never commit it again.
>>288566831 >No one deserves recognition for trying. If he's made shit then he should be told he's made shit. Negativity is the strongest medicine, provided the recipient isn't retarded. >Do something cringe, be called out harshly and thus internalize the mistake and never commit it again. I see. So that's how you think. I don't think we'll see eye-to-eye on too many things in general. I wish you the best of luck going forward.
>>288566904 Ofc. Anyone who thinks of negativity as a bad thing is retarded. Barring bad actors ofc. That said you don't have to announce being dumb like this if you've nothing to say, retard.
>years upon years of effort to make something, only to see the masses tear it down the way you're doing right now.
Always has been like this since always, you are saying nothing new nyarlafsdffsf, is not my fault the illuminati built my house like a harvesting ritual operation, you can literary see my restroom in the Area51 videogame
>>288567079 Anno annoys me more and more recently, all his recent works are made as if he's playing with his childhood toys but when he opens his mouth he can only talk about how shameful it is for an adult man to have hobbies. Unlike other famous grouches in the industry such as Tomino or Miyazaki, Anno's grouchiness is markedly hypocritical.
>>288566947 Nyarla if you're reading this post I believe I'm speaking for every viewer when I say we desperately need more Ame pussy >>288565526 thank you.
>>288566995 Lollipop is such a shit fucking mary sue self insert I can see this bullshit happening, the P-chan character assassination was already bad enough this episode
I still don’t necessarily get Lollipops’ deal. Isn’t the group’s whole thing acting like they’re superior and not catering to the masses? So what’s exactly wrong with KAngel truly not caring about her audience?
>>288567309 NTA but I'm from a Catholic country (Portugal) and I had no idea he killed himself. I knew about the kiss and the 30 coins of silver, though.
>>288567319 Not specifically I think. See how she pummeled that one producer guy (Kimuppi?) later in the show. Probably got too much into the KAngel persona.
>>288567168 Yes, but not quite. I was going to comment what you said some episodes ago, but I wouldn't say it comes out of spite, but more of a reflection, or a correction. I'd say it's "Folie a Deux done right", personally.
>>288567197 KAngel thinks saving people has to come at the cost of herself. Lolipop is going to prove that relying on and caring about others makes you stronger, not weaker
>>288546023 That was extremely disappointing in general. This show is really a fraud. They should have just said from the beginning that it's not about Ame at all and just some shitty wishful "what if" from the author.
>>288566559 I half wonder if this is his response to WSS or whoever whoring out Nidiga with constant nonstop merchandise drops of decreasing quality. I saw an advertisement for P-chan socks this morning.
>Generic cute girl with trannie color scheme >vs: >Gothic Lolita + Literal loli + Russian lesboy Gee, I really wonder! The real question is how did KAngel still managed to remain that high
>>288567499 >It was pretty obvious that we didn't actually exist outside of Ame's head you know you could just post the secret txt right? the final ending of the game or did you not actually not about that and just larping
at least this show has something to say amongst the visual drug trip, even though the message might be muddled and confused. it could've been much worse.
>>288569629 >>288569580 Show should've made it more obvious that it was about how first generation revolutions often fail before the literal last episode
>>288569698 >Show should've made it more obvious that it was about how first generation revolutions often fail I don't think the director even thought of that, I'm pretty sure he just wanted to make his own version of V for Vendetta but only managed to make a temu version of it. All the otaku stuff and the 2deep4u imagery amounted to nothing in the end.
>>288562150 No, the Karamazov themselves are a reference to 19th century religion discourse, going back to Bible isn't logical. Post-Karamazov we have Nietsche declaring God dead.
But then this show never actually develops on the references after making them so whatever. It's just >this modern thing vaguely reminds me of that classic thing the show.
>>288566448 Could only have to do with drug abuse right? That stuff's really looked down on in japan after all. The PV for next episode certainly looks like Ame's breaking down for real.
>>288566402 well, Judas's role and the burden he has to get is popular retelling of it . At the end of the day, per christian doctrine, someone had to betray jesus for him to get resurrected https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URWa0rbB1Kw
>oh huh maybe something is actually hapening again i should pick this back up >watch ep 6 which is where i stopped last month >there's like 3 minutes of live-action dudes carrying a door around to piano music >then they just talk about movies and clothes and shit
>>288566402 LMAO you and retards like you are pathetic. This is by far the best time to be alive. You have 1000x more entertainment on your fucking phone alone than kings 100 years ago had in their entire life.
>>288569556 >>288569580 >>288569629 I was disappointed by this one. It had a cool premise, and it had the potential to be fun or creative. Instead it was a bunch of nothing for most episodes and then that shitfest of ending. I really had hopes it could've been a surprise. At least I'm having fun with NGO despite all the weird and confusing stuff.
>>288571818 Yeah. If you knew how to read you'd have figured out im not disputing that. Just the fact quality of media's sharply declined, and so has education https://youtu.be/TsL3HYz_TFw look at the fucking philippino guy go starting at minute 2
>retcon P and the game >(you) are now just a figment of Ame's delusions >instead she's going to get indoctrinated into the dyke trio Did they make this show just to humiliate the game's fans? Wtf were they thinking?
>>288570268 >>288570440 hello its me not gonna lie i kinda stopped watching the production versions since it was kindve ruining the experience of watching the show when it came out with subtitles while watching with friends so i could fully understand everything, i have the rest of the season but i just havent looked into it yet although ive liked it so far i still have access to many other titles but this one is so dialogue heavy that its less enjoyable to do when you only understand so much japanese
Nyalra I just wanted the girls to smack each other in a schizo fight for 24 minutes, please enough with your interpretation of brothers Karamazov, Marilyn manson, Jesus and Judas, watching ame and lollipop 69 each other in this live stream would be more philosophical Honestly it's stuff like that which makes it impossible for me to recommend watching it, half of the experience is talking with anons on /a/ about it. The anime is like watching a plane that by no rights should be flying across the sky when it's so weighted down by its ideas which range from terrible to almost intriguing, you can't help but want to see it either crash or to nail the landing at the end (it won't land the landing), still fun but definitely takes a certain mood to enjoy it.
>>288566448 It will be 20 minutes of Ame trying to kill herself with a massive overdose, but the attempt won't be pretty and likely graphic, lots of vomiting, eyes bugging out obviously Nyalra is an optimist so ame has to fail regardlessly and lollipop is meant to save her, but a realistic showing of a suicide attempt is probably worrying if they can show it at all depending on how hard they will go about it.
>>288570696 >The “cute, poppy internet angel who occasionally says philosophical things” that everyone loved was already dead before the story began. Covered in everyone’s expectations and desires, she could no longer be called an angel. To me it sounds less like lollipop won by her own merits and more like she won because kangel was actually FUCKING HIGH at her own battle dance stream and was basically dancing like a retard during it, sure lollipop won, but that's more on the merit of being mentally stable and kangel already being on the brink of a total mental breakdown any minute now
if Nyalra ever feels like selling out you could definitely make a slice of life spinoff comedy, have ame-chan trying to get someone to finally replace kangel already so she can retire because it's taking her time away from P-chan, which follows up with her grooming lollipop to make the Karamazovs trying to get this streamer thing going, Kache doing normie shit. Could be a nice comedy if the leaned harder on this
>>288574196 > Next episode will give us the Needy Overdoes denpa train we’ve been waiting for
I honestly have no idea how this is all going to end. It’s refreshing to have a series where you have no idea what’s going on or what will happen next week.
>>288576062 anon, it's basically vchuuba's but without the live2d avatar(vchuuba's are just streamers with a mask, after all). and vchuuba's have been idolshit adjacent since the very beginning.
>>288546661 >>288573068 >So Shiina-chan how long have you been doing this? >Um... 5 years... >5 years?? You wouldn't think that from your salary pft... HAHHAHAHAH... HAHAHAHHAAHHAHA Imagine being coworkers with a bitch like Sally for years and having to pretend to be friends with her
>>288577493 >because it is nothing but pretentiousness in the form of a poorly written anime. If you think THIS is pretentious, get a load of trash like Ergo Proxy, Texhnolyze, Revue Starlight, or anything ever made by Ikuhara
>>288571678 We just roll and look at menheras hate fucking each other (scissoring) while everyone goes SUGOI and faps at the parasocial delusion of attention of the imaginary chance that they can have threesome with the e-whores
Realistically speaking, Karamazov shouldn't have had any chance of winning this. They barely have a fraction of the follower count that KAngel has and considering how rabid these fanbases are, there's no chance any of them would've voted for the other side.
>>288569781 Nah I think he was building up to Otaku Hero dying or losing. Otherwise the ED wouldn't signal so hard that the girls are just watching him die and that this is an entirely new otaku hero from the one from the dude's drafts (the one that had an illustration that explicitly said Otaku Hero is dead)
>>288567157 Anno always felt ashamed that the otaku, who he looks down btw, never agreed with his life philosophy of "grow up and work a soulless wagie life", even though these otaku are the main reason anno is famous and had the money to make these bullshit rebuilds to start with. He absolutely believes he is responsible for the current state of the industry, of the state of otaku, and that he has a moral obligation to preach to the uneducated otaku masses that they need to get a job (but they still have to spend money on merch of course) instead of understanding everyone is tired of this bullshit and that anime is the last free place where we can just let our imagination run wild. Anno could never be like nasu who unironically LOVES being an otaku and writing otaku shit, or Nyarla who is literally indulging himself writing about vtubers and going with whatever he thinks will work. people like Nasu and Nyarla did grow up while still keeping that joy for life and otaku things
>>288580163 Nasu is too far in the other direction It's what happens when you love the slop parts of your work so much that you pivot to only making slop via gacha and forget what people liked about it in the first place so now your audience is just a bunch of braindead gambling addicts
>>288571678 >we're gonna kill god >god is bad >im god >im gonna kill myself >drugs, fame, bottles, sex >im lonely >yurisms Not that i watched episode 10 but i'll just guess there's more jabs at the bible and some more pseudo philosophical half assed poetic mumble rap
>>288571678 Basically it's a continution of Ame achieving what she wanted, becoming the internet angel, but because ame is ame she is basically a train wreck waiting to happen in the form of overdosing, killing herself, anything really, and she can't bring herself not to retire from being a streamer. The one person who can force her to shut down this nonsense is lollipop who even though is "betraying" kangel by killing kangel, in reality kangel is already a soulless corpse that doesn't enjoy being the internet angel anymore. Killing god in this case is the ultimate act of love from lollipop towards ame-chan, she loves her too much to allow her to kill herself by being god. naturally Nechika-sama and michika-sama didn't join lollipop out of altruistic reasons, Nechika needs the cash and michika wants to immortalize herself and proof that she is DIFFERENT from the normies, but much like kache they all want lollipop to succeed and free ame from the shackles of internet pesudo godhood, otherwise ame-chan will erase her own sense of self, ironically not because she loves otakus, but because she wanted someone to save her when she was a kid, so the act it's in a sense both selfish and prideful if she stops now then being a kangel was for nothing in her eyes. and now that lollipop killed the internet angel, ame will crash out hard and will do as many drugs as she can to kill herself asap, it will be a rush against time to stop her most likely (but first we must have our schizo episode with ame going extra schizo from all the drug usage), hence the title Needy Girl Overdose
>>288580163 I feel like that doesn't explain everything when you consider Anno had a career before Evangelion making genuinely interesting films like Love & Pop; but instead of going back to that when he was able to do whatever he wanted, he instead launched a series of films about his favorite toyetic franchises for children. He really does love it, he just hates that other people love it too.
>>288580807 >He really does love it, he just hates that other people love it too. I was like that when life is strange changed from interesting talks about time travel and yuri kino fans to full lgbt/tranny infestation, I loved the game but hated the fans with a passion and I still do I can't say I don't understand anno if that's whats this all about, who doesn't hate the fans of the thing they love
>>288570268 >>288570440 >>288573699 >>288566668 okay out of latent curiosity i decided to check out episode 11 and yeah i can definitely see why this would be controversial/difficult to air damn its like goblin slayer brutal but a bit worse
>>288581497 >>288581548 yeah just finished it and id say definitely worth it, huge backstory reveal about things that werent ever covered in the game that ive never seen anyone talk about or theorize, but also pretty brutal
>>288581540 last hint for this ep was pchan akira next kewpie way more screaming this >>288581558 ace attorney tulpa
>>288566402 the purple loli is a useless saviorfag with shoddy character development lol. both michica and nechika have a lot more development than her and are far more interesting
So, whet they turned into magical girls, fought each other on top of space train, got enveloped by a giant stuffed toy and revealed Kangel's appearance and that she was pretending the toy was her bf. What did the audience in the concert see?
>>288580163 I think you are mistaken Anno just thinks that living within the normalfag framework is the best way to happiness and that believing the Schopenhauerian vision of the ending of the eva tv series and EoE doesn't lead to any type of happiness
>>288582046 There's a reason most math proofs don't start by proving that 1+1=2. At some point you're going to operate on a level of shared knowledge otherwise things take forever
>>288565603 >>288579579 I thought it was implied that a lot of KAngel's followers are "legacy" followers from old accounts that don't regularly watch her anymore so it doesn't reflect her current view counts. That stuff happens.
>>288586608 It would've been more fun to leave it ambiguous, so I disagree. When you completely fail to tell your message, the least you could do is let the audience have fun with it.
>>288586965 You still can do that. If he fails the least he can do is tell us what he meant so it's less of a meaningless shitpost and we can make more fun of him for completely failing
>>288589097 It's gen alpha's equivalent of the 42 answer to life, the universe and everything, 69 nice and 420 blaze it except it has no meaning whatsoever.
>>288580163 >Anno could never be like nasu who unironically LOVES being an otaku and writing otaku shit, or Nyarla who is literally indulging himself writing about vtubers and going with whatever he thinks will work. anno's late-period career is literally him going back and writing new versions of all his childhood favorites. godzilla, ultraman, kamen rider, gundam and now yamato. you are so unfathomably fucking retarded. you do not understand anno or evangelion or anime in general or otaku in general. kill yourself and fuck off back to whatever youtube video essay you got your opinions from
>>288592100 sa it pisses me off because it could've been really good. imagine if lolipop's love for kangel actually made her denpa or led her down a dark path in an attempt to mirror her. imagine if kachi and michika's cat fight went a little deeper than >YOU'ER SO PRETTY I COULD NEVER BE THAT PRETTY <AUUGHH I'M SOOO MENTALLY ILL I'M PRETTY AIIEGGGGHHH imagine if any of the themes being suggested actually were explored in a good way and the show had more substance to prop up its painful overuse of style. it's like a solid 5/10 and that's being generous, i don't know how the fuck little sister nightmare or whatever will turn out if this is what happens when nyalara's not being reigned in at all
You guys actually watch the show for the plot and not for cute girl? I turn my brain off and only turn my eyes and attention on when Lollipop is on screen.