I don't know anon, it's all a matter of identity. We're reaching Nietzschean levels of freedom, identity's becoming whatever the individual makes of it.

troon in, troon out. fag on, fag off. kinks are weird, identity's even weirder.

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>>34403925
>I wear women's lingerie when I'm masturbating or just lounging about in my home, simply because I get off on wearing these ridiculous clothes that I'm not supposed to be wearing.
>In fact, I would love to have sex with a WOMAN while wearing said lingerie. Preferably HER lingerie.
This is how it starts. Sexual degeneracy is sexual degeneracy. Even if you don't fully troon out you could end up with some really sick fetishes that would ruin your life it it becomes public.
I really don't understand many paraphilias, like just jerk off to pictures of naked ladies normally and have normal sex bro.

Don't wear womens clothing if you are not an actual woman (trans included). Now fuck off and kys.

>>34403943
Complete bullshit. People can NOT do whatever these special snowflakes want to do and break all the existing norms.

>>34403925
>Now, with all that being said, does this make me a troon?
Yes, you literally have textbook autogynephilia. However, this is what they recommend to troons to PREVENT them from doing dumb shit like claiming they are women and taking hormones. Be glad that you actually are satisfied just wearing the lingerie. Just for science information, do you jerk off to traps too? Are you attracted to trannies?

>>34403947
/thread
desire is insatiable and causes suffering

>>34403925
no your preferred clothing doesn't have anything to do with gender or sex that's retarded. kilts don't make you a girl and pants don't make women into men. ridiculous premise

>>34403947
>This is how it starts
No it isn't.
>have normal sex bro.
I do have normal sex. How is me wearing my girlfriend's panties while I'm fucking her a "sick fetish". It's a fetish, yeah, but a sick one? Come on man.

>>34403967
>you literally have textbook autogynephilia.
No, that doesn't make any sense. I told you I DO NOT identify as a fucking woman. Look, if I told you that I also enjoy fucking dogs does that mean that I get of on "being" a dog? I actually also get off on having sex outside. Now, does that mean I get off on "becoming" the outside? Yeah, I'm outside, but I'm not "becoming" it or desiring to.

Listen to your fucking self man. It doesn't make any fucking sense.

>Just for science information, do you jerk off to traps too? Are you attracted to trannies?
No.... what the fuck?! HELL NO!!!

Everytime I ask this question y'all always jump to this shit. I think it's very telling of where you guys are at in your sexuality. Like them dudes that think wiping their own ass after they shit is gay cause they're touching a man's ass. Weird shit ass projection going on here.

>>34404021
See now this fucking guy makes sense.

>>34404042
>No, that doesn't make any sense. I told you I DO NOT identify as a fucking woman. Look, if I told you that I also enjoy fucking dogs does that mean that I get of on "being" a dog? I actually also get off on having sex outside. Now, does that mean I get off on "becoming" the outside? Yeah, I'm outside, but I'm not "becoming" it or desiring to.

You have no idea what youre talking about. AGP is an erotic target location error, its literally as you describe, getting off to thoughts about YOURSELF as being a woman. That is textbook AGP. You can fight it, chimp out, sperg out, but it is the case. It doesnt have anything to do with identifying as a woman, thats actually the COPE that people with autogynephilia use to explain it to themselves, and it causes the mass retardation we are living with today. There is extensive research on this. It is recommended to people who are having troon thoughts to do exactly as you do, that is the better way to treat it then identifying as a woman like a fucking retard and growing bitch tits.

>>34404042
>>this is how it starts
>no it isnt
Wtf why did you even make this thread then? You're asking if this makes people troon out and someone says maybe and you go "nuh uh."
Maybe you are a woman because you have the mind of one. Didn't read the rest of your post because its probably cringe and cope and gay.

>>34403925
It doesn’t matter.

>>34404061
>its literally as you describe, getting off to thoughts about YOURSELF as being a woman.
I said I get off on doing something that I'm not supposed to be doing. I never said I view myself as a woman. That is a conclusion that YOU jumped to because you have a bias against clothes and what they represent. At no point during my masturbating do I ever think... yeah I'm a woman now... yeah... like I'm not standing there with my dick in my hand wishing it was a vagina. They're just clothes, dude.

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>>34403925
blatant smut spam up for an hour and a half on /adv/
fuck off

HELLOOOOOOO?

>>34404065
>You're asking if this makes people troon out and someone says maybe and you go "nuh uh."
No, I asked if it makes ME a troon, not other people. I am not other people. I have no fucking idea what goes on in other people's heads.

See it's like this anon said
>>34404021
>pants don't make women into men.
Just cause a woman is wearing pants doesn't mean she wants to be a man. So why the fuck does me masturbating in lingerie mean that I want to be a woman?

I'm just getting off on doing something I'm not supposed to be doing. The thrill of knowing if someone was to walk in on me wearing women's underwear, they would think I'm fucking weird.

>Didn't read the rest of your post because its probably cringe and cope and gay.
See you're just upset because I don't fit into your "textbook" definition of autogynowhatever the fuck that word is.

See I think, it would be autogyrocornelius if I were envisioning myself as a woman while I'm having sex, but I'm not. I'm envisioning myself as a man during the sex. I just happen to be wearing some silly clothes while I'm doing it.

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>>34403925
>Now, with all that being said, does this make me a troon?
No, it makes you a transvestite.

>>34404165
>No, I asked if it makes ME a troon, not other people. I am not other people.
Serious question: are you genuinely low IQ? No one on here knows you. You're anonymous. We go based on our experiences of other people and come up with conclusions. What a mind numbingly retarded thing to say.
Just be honest. You made this thread for validation about your faggy fetish. You don't want advice. You want praise or justifications. Only teenage girls or low quality women do this kind of shit. You may as well troon out or just kill yourself right now because you are definitely not acting like a man.

>>34404205
>No one on here knows you.
That's why we're having this conversation... so you can get to know me. Do you not understand the concept of a forum? It's not a one way form of communication. We both can ask questions and answer each other.

>>34404241
Sure but you already came to a conclusion and agreed with someone who validated you. You disagree and argue with people who say you will troon and agree with those praising you yaas queen slay. Again, you don't want advice. You want to be a princess and validated. Just admit it. Or don't. I don't really care.

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>>34404249
Admit what? You're not even listening to what I told you. The reason why I wear the clothes.

You just blindly view, man wearing dress, man equals troon. So I agreed with someone. So what? I don't see you laying down your arguments on why he is wrong.

Tell me why a piece of clothing equates to auto ghana philanthropy.

>>34404303
>admit what?
Nigga you're retarded. READ

>>34404249
See, I'm gonna surprise you again. I'm gonna agree with someone else.
>>34404204
>it makes you a transvestite
This nigga right here. See now that makes a whole lot more sense than auto gumball philosophy. They're just clothes man.

>>34404326
They're just clothes.

>>34403925
>FILE DELETED
Yikes! Guess her ass was too hot for the jannies kek

>>34403925
Does it matter if it makes you a troon? You're still just as retarded as one

>>34403925
Transvestism is not the same thing as transexualism or homosexuality.

From google:
"Happy transvestism" refers to the positive emotional experience, joy, or personal gratification individuals feel when cross-dressing. This behavior can be for personal happiness, sexual pleasure, or self-expression, often distinct from gender dysphoria or a desire to transition.

>>34403925
I used to do this quite a lot too anon. I particularly liked the sensation and how it feels in my body) touching myself in it (favourite was thigh highs and silky long opera gloves) it felt good because I felt slutty and I like that feeling.

I started doing it as a teen to heighten my pleasure. It was always fun and eritic and, particularly at that age, I was sexy still so was even vain enough to masterbate looking at myself in the mirror.

Anyway now I'm a dad in his 30's with a wife hand Home etc. I rarely do it as it feels such an effort now. Kinda fucked my wife a bit in thigh highs but never much else as I kept it to myself as she wasn't into it as much. Now my body is less androgynous in it so just feel stupid if I catch myself all dolled up. I still dress up a little but again it's more the stimulation of the fabrics on me I enjoy.

So yeah, don't troon out, live normally and find a girl you love and live and procreate. Just keep it as you are already and you should remain happy and healthy with fun little kinks you can indulge in like I do. No need to think too deeply in it, if it feels good do it but don't let it dictate your life.

>>34405931
>now I'm a dad in his 30's with a wife and home
I am extremely jealous of you cause I have none of those things

>>34404042
im literally a transbian and it seems kinda like a sick fetish to me.. i have never once given a fuck about my underwear lol noone sees it except my gf

i guess in theory its possible you have a thing specifically for the clothing in a vacuum.. but like you're a moid so you probably like it for sissy agp reasons

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>>34406271
>transbian
The fuck?

>>34405931
>>34406271
For the billionth time. I'm not doing it to feel sexy. Look, do you remember when you were a kid and you'd never had a girlfriend before much less a girl even touch you? And you remember when your sister invited you to her friend's house and while they were playing outside, they left you alone in the house and you went into the bedroom of your sister's friend and opened her drawer and creepishly smelled her underwear and rubbed it all over yourself as a away to get closer to that girl that will never in a billion years ever touch you?

THAT is why I do it. Not to pretend I'm a woman but to imagine that a woman is with me because I'm too much of a loser to ever get one.

That's the core of it. Later it evolved into masturbating outside in dangerous places as a way to feel the supposed love that I would feel if said woman was my girlfriend. Heck, the first time I ever orgasmed was when I was 12 and I was trespassing on someone's property.

I want to be WITH a woman, not become one.

>>34407119
oh i mean i've huffed my gfs underwear before but she's a tomboy and wears boxers and shit lol so I never developed like a thing for lingerie

>>34407722
I mean they're still HER boxers ya know ;)

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>>34407722
What you mean huffed? Like you smoke em like weed?

>>34406921
A transbian is just a straight dude with a mental illness.

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>>34405931
>it felt good because I felt slutty
I mean don't normal masculine non-crossdressing not-faggy men feel "sexy" and "good" when they're horny as well? In their normal masculine clothes? I really don't think this is a strictly feminine thing, to feel sexy.

>>34412548
god I hate the lgbt I hope they all burn in hell

>>34403925
Just to add to what was said before, transvestism is NOT homosexuality or Transgenderism.

>>34415610
What is it then? Is it being a sissy? A femboy?

>>34415713
Hmm?

>>34415713
In the kind of tramsvestism OP describes, it is really nothing more than taking sensual pleasure from soft fabrics - taken perhaps to an extreme.

>>34413643
i used to dress the guy i dated in my clothes and would have him wear my panties. i thought it was adorable and kind of sexy. i totally understand why men are attracted to femboys and some of them are my best friends

>>34419023
I am not attracted to femboys though.

>>34419004
I do not enjoy the feeling of soft fabrics either. And after listening to what a bunch of you describe why you wear the clothes, I now highly disagree what I'm doing is considered transvestitcism either.

Like what I explained here >>34407119 the clothes are nothing more than a fleshlight. Glorified sex toys. I believe what I have is perhaps exhibitionism, given my taste for masturbating in public settings.

I take joy in violating an environment with my sexual deviancy. Which is why I always masturbate in every hotel room I check into and cum on the carpets. This stems from my childhood of breaking into my sister's friend's bedroom and perving on her underwear.

The underlying psychology behind what I do and what you is just too vastly different.

who cares. you seem to have figured it out in relation to yourself well enough

>>34403925
man you seriously must have stretched so many panties unless you are a twink.

I am actually laughing so hard ahhaa the world is quite big thats for sure

>>34404061

i do agree with him. You are sub consiously trying to project yourself as a woman.

you better get ur troony ass checked out. these kinds of mental illnesses are going to ruin the human DNA in the long term evolutionary processes. Do me a favour and dont get kids.

DONT WANT ANY TROONY ASS KIDS HANGING AROUND.

>>34404249
yeah 100% OP just made his mind up he is just fine and seeking validation that he is fine.


>>34403925
Sure here you go. You are not a troon YET. you seem to have just been short one more thought "What if I chop this dick off"

>>34403925
>I wear women's lingerie

you feel good wearing them dont you? you take a glass of wine and listen to lana del ray as well sometimes?

If no, chances are you are not a troon.

>>34407119
>Later it evolved into masturbating outside in dangerous places as a way to feel the supposed love that I would feel if said woman was my girlfriend.

man i feel you comitted some sort of public indecency. People go to jail over it. Stay away from it.

> I want to be WITH a woman, not become one.

then Why are you asking this retarded question - "am I a troon" then. What kind of retard are you? you already know you dont want to be a women so how are you gonna be called a troon? what are you now like a "semi troon" or perhaps a "pending troon"? is that your question?

then i guess you could be easily classfied as a "troon pending some dick chopping off"

You dont wanna become a troon dont become one.

oh my god.

>>34412548
>A transbian is just a straight dude with a mental illness.

he is right, you might a transbian. definetly way off from traditional masculanity. You are lucky we live in a free world. dont get caught wearing women's underware if you ever travel to places like russia. Hard labour with a whip in a mental institute it is for you.

also I gotta keep a taser with me. Too many people like you out there now. I heard in japan some fags do this.

This whole premise of wearing women's lingerie feels a little faggy and its really fagged up. Maybe you will slowly discover your sexuality. these things take time.

I hope i dont see another thread here "I used to wear women's underwear and now I love being the bottom in gaysex please advise if i am fagged now"

anyways you do you. just stay away from places like russia. they won't take kindly to your fetish.

>>34420359
So now you've hopped off the gay shiny ass construction crew thread and onto this one. Hmm interesting.

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>>34420842
Cats don't have hands.

>>34420803
i was actually at a loss of words at this guy's tom foolery.

To be honest for what its worth. I was laughing my ass off on this thread. These people are wearing panties and shit and expect a straight answer for their toonery. All he is is gonna get is a slap on his ass when he is wearing that naked apron and cooking some carbonara.

>>34420803
that naked guy is better off in fact. At least he wasnt wearning panties and bras and potentially trooning around on the streets.

Are you really gonna ignore these admissions of pure hilarity? :

>>34407119
>Later it evolved into masturbating outside in dangerous places as a way to feel the supposed love that I would feel if said woman was my girlfriend.

Just answer me this?
Genuinly please answer
***

DO YOU OR DO YOU NOT see this guy(OP) trooning around in "dangerous places" masturbating in his women's lingerie which he acquired god knows how?

I am really hoping he actually didn't steal those underwear because i really cant imagine any stright dude paying cash for them. Putting that purchase on the card is just another whole potential thread material.

>>34420245
Meh, I guess.

>>34419404
Ah, I get it now. It's a desire to feel nasty. To feel dirty. A desire to "ruin" innocent territory. To spread the dirtyness.

It's kinda similar, I would guess, to women who don't shower and the dudes that want to smell their dirty vaginas.

That kind of energy.

Like women who sell used underwear and the men that buy them. You want to feel a connection to the woman those belonged to. A sexual perverse connection.

It's something normal people would never do. And that is a taboo that fuels the excitement.

>>34424506
It also extends to convenience. Like peeing in the bathtub, outside of taking a shower, instead of peeing in the toilet.
Nobody ever does that, and that's why it's hot.

And you don't even have to flush anything. Just leave the urine in the tub. Who cares, you can do whatever ya want. You're a pervert!

>>34426066
You are a sick person.

>>34428382

man i said it earlier I am scared OP might start...

> trooning around in "dangerous places" masturbating in his women's lingerie which he acquired god knows how?

I also dont understand how the entire rig works to be honest. I mean doesnt the panties like completely expose his genitalia out in the open.
Anyways praying he gets arrested sooner than any innocent child gets flashed by his toonery in these supposedly "dangerous places"

>>34428441
>I mean doesnt the panties like completely expose his genitalia out in the open.
They go under the scrotum you fucking idiot.

>>34428722
Do not be trooning around with those panties under your scrotum bro(or tro whatever you consider yourself from now on)

>>34420882
Yes they do...

>>34404042
I am very likely a world expert in fetishism research. From a scientific point of view given your writings you have confirmation bias. The information that is against what you wish to be true is rejected and the information you hope to be true is accepted and reinforced.

The nuance the other posters and you are missing is that the brain is associative.
If you give in to this fetish with simultaneous dopamine then you WILL soon associate the idea and act of wearing those clothes with sex and pleasure.

Once the idea of wearing the feminine clothing becomes pleasurable by itself, the idea alone is hot, and the associated porn triggers the same pleasure cricuits in your brain. That porn has other fetishes which you then positively associate and you acquire new unintended fetishes over time this way.
Even without porn, even subtle ques or being treated differently by an irl girl as a result of the associative signals she is getting from the situation can and will back feed to you.
e.g. "Hey honey, want to get dressed up for me?"
Then begins to positively associate the concept of being feminized by a girl. Depending on both her and your BDSM and fetish temperments it can also lead to a sissification fetish acquisition.

I could keep typing but it really just doesn't stop, you will never stop seeking more depraved things, not by a fault of your own, but by the hardcoded software that runs that association machine you we call a brain.

That's why it's dangerous. It's hard to see when it is years and miles away though. But it's a lot easier to deal with now with me telling you now. Once you go too deep for too long, JUST wearing the clothes won't be enough for you any more.

>>34404042
>Listen to your fucking self man. It doesn't make any fucking sense.
lol
>wear a fireman's outfit for sex
pretending to be a fireman
>wear a policeman's uniform for sex
pretending to be a policemen
>wear a hardhat and toolbelt for sex
pretending to be a construction worker
>wear sexy little panties for sex
NOOOOOOOO I'M NOT PRETENDING TO BE A WOMAN THAT'S RIDICULOUS!!!!

>>34430779
oh man, my guy gets it! Exactly OP is a troon and he should just accept it at this point.

>>34430779
It is ridiculous. Your logic is retarded. If you were asleep and I dressed you up as a fireman or a policeman or construction worker, does that mean you were pretending to be those things when you wake up and wonder where your clothes went? Clothes are just clothes, they mean nothing. It's the intention behind them that matters. A cop is still a cop even if they're off duty and they're not wearing their uniform.

>>34430572
>I am very likely a world expert in fetishism research.
That's great that you're an expert in fetish research, but one thing you're definitely not an expert of is me.
>given your writings you have confirmation bias.
Confirmation bias? Oh you mean from the people that think someone wearing clothes means they want to be a woman?

>>34430572
>Then begins to positively associate the concept of being feminized by a girl. Depending on both her and your BDSM and fetish temperments it can also lead to a sissification fetish acquisition.
Ah, perfect example of you not understanding a damn thing about me. I love women, I want to have sex with women, I want to be around women. That's it, period. I do not want to become a woman. I don't give a shit about fetishes and I certainly don't give a shit about BDSM or sissification. You brought that up, that's YOUR fantasy, not mine.

>I could keep typing but it really just doesn't stop, you will never stop seeking more depraved things, not by a fault of your own, but by the hardcoded software that runs that association machine you we call a brain.
Again, you know nothing about me. I'm 40 years old, and one thing I know is that I do not have an addictive personality. I'm not wired like that. My basic needs involve eating, sleeping, and enjoying women and their bodies. That's it. I don't give a shit about depraved things. I care about women and their bodies. Period. I look at porn, I enjoy it, and then I'm done and I move on with my life. The porn isn't even them having sex, it's just women standing around being sexy looking. That's all I need. I don't need the sex. Looking at women's bodies fulfills all of my sexual desires. I don't need "more and more" of that. The same stuff every single time. A nice beautiful sexy woman. That's it. Nothing more. My porn habits have been the same since I was 12 years old. I am still attracted to women in the real world the very same way I was when I was 12 years old. They're women, and they're sexy. Nothing much else to it. I've never gotten tired of the beauty of women and I never will. I'm 40 fucking years old. I know myself.

>>34430572
>That's why it's dangerous. It's hard to see when it is years and miles away though. But it's a lot easier to deal with now with me telling you now. Once you go too deep for too long, JUST wearing the clothes won't be enough for you any more.
I've proven this false millions of times in my life. As I pointed out in my earlier posts, in the last 10 years, I got into a bit of a fascination with masturbating in public places, because I had the means and the opportunity. A vestige of my childhood experiences masturbating in similar places. The novelty of how dangerous that was (in the present time) was interesting. I did it (now), and did it for a couple years, because this was a rare opportunity that I was probably never going to get again. And I was right. It's been a few years since I've done that. I got it out of my system. I did it and I enjoyed it to the maximum level of satisfaction that I could enjoy.

And now... I don't have a desire to do it again. Because I am satisfied with that chapter of my life. Like visiting the statue of liberty or going sky diving. You did it once, you enjoyed it, and you probably will never do it again, at least not for a very long time. And that's me.

So no, it is not a danger to me, because none of what you said applies to me in the slightest. I've done the extreme. I enjoyed it and now I'm just done. Period. I don't care if I will never do that ever again in my life.

My sexual desires are simple. Be with a sexy woman and enjoy her body and her personality. That is it. I am not attracted to fetishes. I do not get tired of women and how sexy they are. And I will never need to seek "more and more" because what I have is and always will be... enough.

>>34429983
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>>34432728
The image is right fucking there

>>34432732
They don't have hands.

>>34434355
That's debatable. I mean a paw is just a thumb away from being a hand.