>>34429524
>people say I’m like a 7.5 - 8... so not ugly
They are being kind, specially when you ask them.

>>34429524
nothing, dating sucks for guys unless you are a rich chad

>>34429524
Sure, I'll help. You think being tall, having money and looking ripped is a requisite for women to like you. You then create your own set of requisites you expect women to have in order to give them your time and attention. Since neither of you are perfect, you never give each other the light of day. You now lose years of your life trying to figure it out and in most cases, you get too old to rectify the mistake.

>>34429524
it's hard to say
chances are it's something you didn't write in your OP which you didn't think to look for, otherwise you'd have fixed it
kinda like trying to bugfix, you're looking for a mistake YOU MADE so how are you supposed to find it

>>34429588
t. ugly had telling men to lower their standards
i see hot girls with ugly niggers
if they can do it, why shouldnt i, simple as

>>34429596

I actually sat and thought about your comment for a minute, and yeah, that’s fair. I probably left out details that matter, so I’ll try to be more specific about myself.

Starting with the downsides: I’ve got a pretty big forehead, but I’m not receding, so I can style my hair (side part or Ivy League) in a way that mostly balances it out. My face isn’t perfectly symmetrical either, my right cheek is slightly bigger than my left. I’ve had it looked at before and was basically told that they have no idea why.

My nose isn’t perfectly straight either, it’s more of a Roman/French shape. Not terrible, but not the ideal “perfect” nose either. Also, a lot of people say I come off as intimidating at first, and I’ve got a bit of a resting pissed-off face. That’s kind of just how the men in my family look.

As for the positives: I’m 6'1”, so I’ve got height going for me. A lot of people, guys and girls, have complimented my eyes, eyebrows, and lips. I’m in good shape too, not a bodybuilder, but solid muscle and not overweight.

Personality-wise, I’m social and can hold conversations easily. I joke around a lot and can make people laugh without much effort. A big part of that is I tend to turn my own problems into humor, I’ve dealt with some depression, and I guess that’s made me quicker on my feet when it comes to jokes. I can usually come up with something on the fly and keep conversations light or entertaining without trying too hard.

So yeah, that’s a more complete picture. I’m not perfect, but I don’t think I’m doing terribly either, which is why I feel kind of stuck. You can ask me more details if I missed anything.

>>34429524
Maybe it's your breath.

Seriously, 99% of what you list is purely external. Who is the guy inside all that flashy new packaging? Is he attractive, intelligent, warm, interesting?

>>34429524
>what am I doing wrong?
You lack confidence. Learn how to fake it.

>>34429532
fpbp
>>34429533
spsbp
Chad doesn't have to try at all

>>34429524
When a man is born, God flips a coin
You landed on the chudcel side, so that's all you are and will ever be

The good news is that it's better to be a chudcel in shape and with a social life than sniveling in your own squalor, so it was still worth the effort.

just read the mystery method or any prominent pickup artist book written before 2015

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>>34429524
>decide to fix life so I can finally get a gf

>>34429609
Black bonus, your tiny white pecker will NEVER satisfy Stacy Fox’s tight white cunt

Never skip genetics day

>>34430790
God doesn't flip coins.
Chud by design

Your post says very little to nothing about your interactions with women. The closest you get is "seems fine at first then nothing happens."
You are most likely playing it extremely safe with girls. If nothing happens or they get bored it's because ... you're not doing anything. You're just having some conversation with them expecting it to end with a date.
You need to actually make a move. A girl should not "lose interest" in you when you're talking to her. She should either get into you or reject you completely. So in other words, don't be a bitch. Make a move on her. Don't know how? Express yourself more. Say something risky. Tell her she's hot. Don't beat around the bush.

>>34432764
It makes sense but your advice is just "say something" that doesn't narrow it down much at all. Like yeah take a risk or say she's hot, but there's also another 99% of that conversation to have.

Girls care about one thing over everything else. Over money, over body, over face, over height. And that’s being fun to hangout with. You ever wonder why you see hot chicks with dopey looking guys? Or why people with lots of money get cheated on? Or why broke ass guys can pull tons of chicks and basically couch surf from one girl to another whenever they are in a bind? The answer is girls genuinely have fun being around them. It feels like an adventure.
All that other stuff about looksmaxxing is to get yourselves talking to new people. You’re putting your foot in the door and expecting that people invite you inside, just because.
Now, fun can look like different things to different women. It looks like most of your socializing with women is happening at bars and clubs, so high energy adventures is what will get them invested. Make spontaneous plans when you think you’re hitting it off. When midnight comes around, suggest everyone head to the beach. Or maybe go to the casino. Or a pool hall. Or kareoke. Or whatever amenities you have that are open late. Something that sounds fun. Now mileage may vary, maybe she gets creeped out, but if you have a group she’ll feel safer to take these fun adventures with you, especially if you have your own friends that are women.
Do you have a friend group? I didn’t see any reference to friends in your post? Or are you friends with women, which despite what people on this website think will do a lot to help you meet other women (women see proximity to other women as a heuristic for assessing whether you are safe primarily, secondarily if you are attractive).
Of course every situation is unique, so don’t go just asking women you're talking to on strange adventures left and right. This should be during that “feels fine” phase you mentioned. The impression I got from you is finding someone you might be interested in, talking to them, and expecting something to happen. You need to be the one seeing something happen.

>>34432741
Quantum mechanics proves you wrong

>>34429524
>>34429693
I have no idea based on your posts, but I am guessing the truth is that you got yourself to average (again, assuming you aren't lying to yourself and us). Further, I will assume that you aren't hitting on fat girls, super ugly ones, etc.

All the conversation stuff - I assume you aren't closing, I can go to a bar/club and talk to hot girls for 30 minutes, what they get from it is "this is just some random safe guy" - it's "intelligent", sometimes funny, sometimes playful conversation, but it's clearly distinct from "we are fucking tonight". You could be falling into that category, and maybe they do want to get fucked, and you aren't putting that out as an option.

The other option is you check all the boxes, but then there is chad who looks like chad, has chad money, and is more fun.

Finally, I think there is also probably a lack of friends / your own activities that they pick up on, so they see that you are trying to latch on to them instead of vice versa.

But again, that's based on very limited information, would know from 5 mins of talking to you irl, but not so much from this.

Oh and last note - your future - if it's not surgeon/business owner, etc, you also can't ride on that and have to be chad.

P.S. I re-read the whole thread after posting >>34435195 and there is a surprising amount of good advice for this shit board.

>>34432764
>>34435039
Are spot on. Except I disagree with:
>Girls care about one thing over everything else. Over money, over body, over face, over height. And that’s being fun to hangout with. You ever wonder why you see hot chicks with dopey looking guys? Or why people with lots of money get cheated on? Or why broke ass guys can pull tons of chicks and basically couch surf from one girl to another whenever they are in a bind? The answer is girls genuinely have fun being around them. It feels like an adventure.
It works, but then your whole life is being "the fun guy" who knows all the clubs and retarded waste-of-time activities, and everyone. You can be the "contextual alpha" to use a cringe term, but you will waste your life on it, not worth it.

>>34432819
>Like yeah take a risk or say she's hot, but there's also another 99% of that conversation to have.
That's his whole point - either the conversation continues like normal and you lead it to making out / going to your place / getting her number for a date, or she tells you to fuck off. If neither happens, you lost.

My friend I wingman for sometimes (not intentionally, when doing work and end up out) fucks. Like he literally fucked 500 girls or something. He always thinks I have game because I can keep 3 girls engaged for 30 minutes at a club. In reality I am just being a safe pussy.

>>34429524
This is normal for guys your age in your situation. Just notice that while you may know a lot of people in relationships, that most people you know are probably single. People always say college is the environment to meet a spouse in, but that's actually not the case and there is a good reason for it.

College is the place where you can meet the most young single women, however education actually correlates negatively with early marriage and family formation. Women in college have been brainwashed their entire lives (and so have you) to believe counterintuitive notions about love, sex, and marriage. They are more interested in their careers than forming families, and while a husband might be a nice to have, they aren't actually that motivated to find one. Women are taught that love is just an involuntary chemical reaction, that men are all looking at pornography, and that relationships are mainly about sex. Within this paradigm love is not appealing to women because it's not the real thing. So they focus on their career first like they are taught, waiting for the real thing (that they believe in deep in their hearts) to fall into their lap, and in the meanwhile they are either using men for resources or otherwise living in vain self-corrupting ways.

What women really crave deep in their hearts (and men too in a sense) is a love that is complete. Obsessed yet voluntary, passionate yet self-controlled. A love that is self-giving. A Christlike love. That is why I recommend young men attend a church and learn about Christianity and try to develop this type of love within themselves, foremost because if you have not experienced the love of Christ you will not be capable of giving that to anyone else. Furthermore, because the women who believe in love, and therefore unlike the college women are interested in marriage and family, are all Christian anyway. So that is where you should look to meet a girlfriend/wife.

>>34429524
you are trying too hard to be someone else. use your looks as an asset, not a replacement for your personality. just be funny and make ur intentions clear