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>>5107623
It had soul. They put a lot of effort to make the environments feel unique and otherworldly even tho they were shot in real places. An example of not doing this well in my opinion is PP. A lot of places feel like the forest that is next to your house.
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There's a lot that makes it great but something I mentioned in thread about Spielberg's paleodoc is that walking with dinosaurs is really tragic and brutal. Despite being a documentary the storytelling is amazing and it feels real because it doesn't pull it's punches. It doesn't pander to it's audience, it's uncomfortable to watch. Modern nature documentary's are afraid to alienate their audience like this. Nature docs are designed to be family friendly, with children as their core demographic. Even though we probably watched walking with as kids, it's incredibly bloody and violent, it's shocking which makes it an incredibly memorable watch.
I think they did a really good job with the dialogue too, it never feels like you are being babied with the most laborious patronising dialogue we've come to expect in other paleodocs. It was made with respect for it's audience and treats you as an intellectual.
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>>5107649
I find it rather telling that a movie for children released on the year 2000 had a more brutal and crude theropod hunt than any modern documentary. Nowdays they would never let you see the moment the teeth pierce the flesh
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>>5107678
Why do you trannies keep saying this in every single thread about a TV show about dinosaurs? Oh no it's woke because there aren't enough theropods tearing animals apart. Fucking grow up. Maybe if you washed your penis you wouldn't have to chop it off.
>>5107701
The captcha should just be one question: can girls have penises? If you answer wrong cops come to your house and blow your fucking brains out.
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>>5107732
>W-why do you complain about modern documentaries being sanitized
Because they are.
Also trannies seem to be living rent free in your head. You don't have to be thinking about them 24/7 to know they are subhuman fags
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>>5107623
>Focused on one environment for the full 30 minutes
>Followed individual animals but didn't give them names or anthropomorphize them
>Generally filmed like a documentary
>That fucking score
>Very dark in a realistic and matter-of-fact way without being gratuitous or melodramatic
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>>5107623
In my opinion they weren't afraid of being quite dark, like the cynodonts eating their own young or the Postosuchus scene.
All documentaries after that have fairly tame deaths, unless Hatzegopteryx is involved
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I'm not a contrarian Prehistoric Planet hater, I thought it was pretty good and enjoyed it a lot. But Walking with Dinosaurs is not JUST a great dinosaur documentary, its not JUST realistic and informative, it a masterpiece of nonhuman storytelling, the most engaging stories about simple animals ever told. The framing, cinematography, the writing, narration, soundtrack, its all absolutely fucking stellar. The animals and their lives are incredibly sympathetic and engaging while still being realistic and showing the brutality of nature, the environments feel authentic and immersive, and once again, that soundtrack man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHteEpClXYw&t=169s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj9qCA91NqA
Show could really use a remaster/rerelease
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>>5107844
That battle of the salt plains is one of the best hunts ever put in a documentary. It shows how difficult of a task taking down a sauropod really is. They need a shit ton of Allosaurus isolating the weakest one and harass it until it is so tired it can't fight back. However despite showing how overwhelmingly difficult this is, they DO take down the Diplodocus, showing that even the biggest and mightiest creature can fall, going against the current mentality that herbivores were invincible and would fight their predators in epic death battles every single time
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>>5107845
>going against the current mentality that herbivores were invincible and would fight their predators in epic death battles every single time
I really don't understand this, yeah its annoying when herbivores are portrayed as defenseless walking steaks, but going to the opposite extreme isn't any better. It's like an ironic repetition of all the insufferable Giga vs Rex vs Spino flame wars that were commonplace two decades ago. Only worse because it's trying to be pushed as actual facts instead of retarded for fun theoretical.
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>>5107895
>You've been arguing with retards about dinosaurs for longer than 20 years?
No, but if you looked at anything dinosaur related on the web there would almost always be some retarded Vs. debate attached to a related forum or comments section.
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>>5107893
I think one thing a lot of people forget/dont know is just how fucking big Edmontosaurus and Hadrosaurs were the average, the largest Hadrosaurs were around the same mass as an Apatosaurus. and the average annectens, the smallest species of Edmontosaurus is about the same size as rex. And the largest reaching 15m long and 17 tons. bigger than any known Tyrannosaurus.
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>>5107893
People are incapable of being reasonable and always have to go to the other extreme. Two examples i can think of are:
1: Oviraptor used to be portrayed as an egg thief because a fossil was misinterpreted, so now showing it eating eggs is hecking inaccurate even to it obviously did from time to time
2: It used to be a meme that Smilodon made terror birds go extinct, so now terror birds have to win 10/10 times against Smilodon. If you show the Smilodon winning in a fight it is hecking inaccurate regardless of the context, even tho it obviously happened from time to time.
If anyone can think of other examples please share them
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>>5107901
>I think one thing a lot of people forget/dont know is just how fucking big Edmontosaurus and Hadrosaurs were the average, the largest Hadrosaurs were around the same mass as an Apatosaurus. and the average annectens, the smallest species of Edmontosaurus is about the same size as rex. And the largest reaching 15m long and 17 tons. bigger than any known Tyrannosaurus.
I would say this gets overstated now more than anything. Hadrosaurs reaching sauropod sizes is old news we've known since Shantungosaurus was discovered. Even superadult Edmontosaurs are something that's been known for years by now. Yet somehow we've gone from "Superadult Edmontosaurs were likely immune to predation due to their exceptional size." to "Rex would never even dare to hunt an average adult Edmontosaur because a predator hunting a similar or even slightly larger prey animal is unheard of and doesn't make sense from a risk taking perspective."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2_h7OrsurU
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>>5107957
>because a predator hunting a similar or even slightly larger prey animal is unheard of and doesn't make sense from a risk taking perspective.
Ah yes my favorite type of argument from paleofags. The ones that show they know nothing about animals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMv9TtEjVRg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKWq-WQb0nw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oxx3cL_vifA
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>>5107845
Dinosaurs being portrayed as le hecking movie monsters instead of real animals was only really a thing in shitty late 2000's early 2010's documentaries. Even fucking Jurassic Park had very realistic behaviors. My favorite example is this scene:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hjB6UJ2kMU
I love how the initial ambush fails and the gallimimus the T. rex was going for escapes, but during the commotion one trips and she takes the opportunity to catch that one instead.
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>>5107844
>Show could really use a remaster/rerelease
not possible, all the effects were rendered at a shitty 360p. If you were to rescan the negatives for a better film resolution, you would also have to pull up all the CG files and re-render them... And then re-edit the whole thing so that footage and effects match
an extremely laborous prorocess that requires the involvment of many of the original creators (some of whom are probably gone)
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>>5107967
I never said they were not hunted by Tyrannosaurs just that an adult bang average Edmontosaur wouldn't be that easy of a kill for a Tyrannosaurus. At least not as nearly as easy as is sometimes portrayed.
>I would say this gets overstated now more than anything.
You have no fucking idea how ignorant of that most people are...
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>>5108097
Is it? i haven't heard of that before.
Still that would mean nothing in the context we are talking because paleofags sure love saying "true herbivory doesn't exist" to draw hecking subversive art of ceratopsians eating meat
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They will never be able to replicate the soul and atmosphere of these early 2000s dino documentaries. I enjoy up to date paleo art but all the documentaries released after Planet Dinosaur sucks ass.
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>>5107678
Monsters We Met is the most brutal paleo doc.
>One man is killed by a spear from a rival tribe, another is eaten by a saltwater crocodile, and one more is shown bitten by Megalania prisca in gory detail. A kangaroo hunt is shown, and men burn the megalania alive.
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>>5108029
It's ironic that JP became the posterchild for "Bad paleomedia that portrays dinosaurs as monsters" when one of Steven Spielbergs rules on the film set was that nobody was allowed to refer to them as monsters. Even the novel repeatably hammers in how the dinosaurs are just animals. Then and again though JP3 had some spectacularly awful scenes like the Rex abandoning it's kill to eat humans, or the Spino chasing the characters throughout the whole movie. I guess a single movie was enough to spoil people's impressions on the whole franchise, ignoring the nail in the coffin that was the JW movies more than a decade later.
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>>5108594
The first movie really has very realistic animal behavior. People often mention how bloodthirsty the raptors are but to me that makes sense since they are established to be extremely intelligent and were kept in a fucking 40 by 20 feet paddock so covered in plants that they couldn't even look at the outside world. It only makes sense that they would go insane.
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>>5108172
The paleontologist who from the Nano paper posted a vid where he goes on about how he thinks the JP galli scene is the most accurate depiction of a rex hunting. [spoiler]I bet you even pay him for access to his private discord server[/spoiler]
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>>5108650
Paleopedos steal from people all the time. The recent paper that just came out about Ceratosaurus possibly being a sabertooth literally is just a rehashing of my pointing out that T. rex is a sabertoothed animal but nobody notices it because it has more than one set of saber teeth. They just changed up their test results so it doesn't look too much like their buddy's when the teacher grades it.
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>>5107623
You saw it when you were a child.
Not to say WWD is bad, it's obviously quite good, but nostalgia aside it really is not any better than Prehistoric Planet. So much of the show was laughably inaccurate even for 1999. Liopleurodon being like 5x larger than it should be, UTAHraptor inexplicably living in Europe, etc.
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>>5108859
I expect them to come up with their own fucking research based on fossil evidence instead of just stealing everyone else's text from online. But that's far too much to hope for at this point for paleontology.
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>>5108666
>The recent paper that just came out about Ceratosaurus possibly being a sabertooth literally is just a rehashing of my pointing out that T. rex is a sabertoothed animal but nobody notices it because it has more than one set of saber teeth
T. rex is the exact opposite of a saber toothed predator. It was built to crush bone, its teeth were thick and comparatively blunt. Not at all like ceratosaurus
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this thread got me inspired to make an attempt at laying down a docu-comic about the paleozoic. i hope the few anons sane enough to give a fuck could take a look at this and tell me how it's looking narratively, accuracy corrections would also be welcome as i aim to have a mixup of accuracy, speculation and inaccuracies for dramatic purposes. pic related is a sketch of mine of the dunk (it has a mixup of the (((engelman))) proportions and older depictions, i envision it as a 6-meters long beast at full age, like this one).
https://pastebin.com/f4GD8czX
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>>5107623
There is a whole “thematic night” program from 1992–1993 that was broadcast by the German-French channel Arte that I’ve become quite desperate to find again. That thing now feels completely lost-media-esque. The entire program was built around the fact that Jurassic Park was being heavily promoted, and Arte wanted to capitalise on it with one of its themed documentary nights, which were usually broadcast on Tuesdays.
The gist of the program was about dinosaurs in Europe, and it covered a wide range of subjects. Philippe Taquet, then former president of the French National Museum of Natural History, made numerous appearances. From what I can remember, it treated the following topics for at least 3 hours.
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- How the term “dinosaur” was coined (mainly involving William Buckland and Richard Owen) and some of the first discoveries in England (such as Megalosaurus footprints) and on the Isle of Man.
- The mosasaur studied by Georges Cuvier, the famous specimen seized by the French at Maastricht during the Revolution.
- Bernissart in Belgium, where large numbers of Iguanodon skeletons were discovered.
- Short segments about the evolution of dinosaur art and representation, including their portrayal in popular culture before Jurassic Park: things like Gertie the Dinosaur, Journey to the Center of the Earth, paleoart in general, and the dinosaur statues at Crystal Palace.
- More technical segments explaining timelines and dinosaur anatomy, such as differences in their pelvis structures.
- A whole segment about Montagne Sainte-Victoire in southern France, which dates back to the time of the dinosaurs and where large numbers of bones and eggs have been discovered. This led into findings in Spain and Portugal, again involving Iguanodon and Rhabdodon.
- A fairly long section about Archaeopteryx and its excavation from limestone quarries in Germany.
- A final segment about dinosaur extinction. Unfortunately, I can’t describe its contents well because the VHS recording my grandfather at that time gave me ended about 15 minutes into it, just as it was about to cover the Yucatán impact.
Looking back on it now, I find the program interesting from a historiographical perspective. The reason I consider it not completely lost media is that while Arte may have copies of it, we can't access it - at least online. It's not available online, or at least no recordings have been found to my knowledge. The French CNRS website, or at least the archives part of it, had it mentioned in their reserves around the 2010s. and since then, it seems scrapped from any research engine - maybe because there's more up-to-date stuff out there.
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>>5107649
>Modern nature documentary's are afraid to alienate their audience like this. Nature docs are designed to be family friendly, with children as their core demographic
I seriously loathe this shit so much I can't even tell you
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>>5107791
I was gonna make a comment on how even hamsters will do that if you put them under enough stress and it's not "dark" unless we treat fake dinosaur documentaries as childrens' programming (which they are) but when I realised that I photographically remember each scene you're talking about because I was obsessed with this stuff as a kid I realised something more important.
Does seeing this shit not make you sad as fuck? Do you remember being a kid and how much you loved watching this stuff, absorbing every kid-level piece of information on prehistoric animals and thinking it was cool as shit? Did you ever think maybe you would even get a job studying it or some adjacent topic for a living? Maybe I'm just a loser but if you showed me from when I watched WWD on repeat how my life is now, he would be so fucking upset, I don't know what he'd even say, he'd probably just start sobbing. He liked this type of shit and was so autistic about it and got so much joy thinking about possibilities and things he'd never see only for him to get totally fucked over and have his life turned into a worthless trash fire where he'd never get to do anything with the things he loved so much. No friends, no girlfriend, no contact with family in years, no contact with anyone except work or online. That's what happened to that little kid who was obsessed with dinosaurs, there's no way he deserved that. Holy shit wtf how is that fair on him
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>>5124234
Unfortunately it's not - it looks more recent than what I actually looking for. But I did gave it a watch anyway, so thanks anon for sharing it - it was definitely worth the watch. Still amazing to watch Philippe Taquet being involved in yet another dino documentary. I've learned that he died in November last year so RIP.
As I said in the previous post, I think that the entire documentary night is now completely lost media unless the CNRS or the French Natural Museum somehow have a copy - which I have very high doubts for the latter. I keep on looking for more fragment of informations on the internet and yet like I said it seems like that thing is completely forgotten. I've made some major findings about this.
I've found this .pdf on the website form a guy called Michel Fontaine under the Press articles section http://michel-fontaine.fr/presse/arte.pdf
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- the whole Thema night was called 'Le Temps des Dinosaures', was broadcasted on Tuesday, October 19th 1992 and it seems like it was running for 3 hours and 20 minutes. So the VHS I had missed the last 20 minutes or so.
- the bigger segment was called 'Dineurosaurus' and part of the description mentions the lesser segments about the British and French naturalists I've previously mentioned in my posts, same as the parts about Montagne Sainte-Victoire or Archaeopteryx.
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21:40 – 01:00
THE TIME OF THE DINOSAURS
Themed evening presented by Philippe Taquet
(palaeontologist at the Muséum National d’Histoire Naturelle) and Jacques Merry (director)
Co-production: LA SEPT-ARTE / SODAPERAGA / CNRS Images Media / la FEMIS / Mikros Image, with the participation of Agence Jules and the CNC.
Dinosaurs are back, and while “dinomania” takes hold of the planet, ARTE devotes an evening to them where the “terrible lizards” appear for what they truly are: a first-rate scientific subject and an extraordinary time machine.
Dinosaurs make children dream, fascinate the public, draw crowds to exhibitions and to cinemas screening Steven Spielberg’s new film: Jurassic Park. They also captivate the “bone hunters”, the palaeontologists who dig on every continent in search of fossils that will allow them to know and to understand ever better an astonishing episode in the history of life on Earth.
Absolute masters of the Earth for 150 million years, dinosaurs have only existed in the human mind for 150 years. In Dineurosaurus, Jacques Merry and Philippe Taquet, professor of palaeontology at the Muséum National d’Histoire Naturelle in Paris, first offer us the story of the discovery of dinosaurs by 19th-century European naturalists. They then invite us on a journey through time and across Europe in the footsteps of dinosaurs.
From London to Berlin, from Oxford to Lisbon, from Aix-en-Provence to Brussels, in Bavaria and in Spain, Philippe Taquet and his European palaeontologist colleagues bring back to life in the field, in museums and in laboratories, this world that disappeared 65 million years ago – the world of dinosaurs – evoking their origin, their diversity, their evolution, their physiology and their way of life, without forgetting to ask questions about the causes of their disappearance.
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https://rentry.org/uxbntcaz
This is the rest of the translation of the article. I'm pretty happy just having found these pieces of information. I'm still hopeful to find the whole damn thing, the whole THEMA night I mean.
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>>5125812
Nope, that would be too easy for everyone.
You either have to book it online or contact the place (as for the former option, it was down recently due to cyberattacks the last time I checked) and go all the way up there to Paris in person. Now, I'm not sure if the Museum (or their archives, for that matter, since the document is apparently kept at their Paleontology Labs Archives) has restrictions for recording stuff or at least getting a digital copy of it, but I’ll assume they do – if they make a digital recording of the whole thing and pop it on their own YouTube channel (since the Museum has one), so much the better. But the French work differently when it comes to evaluating and preserving things, and that’s really not always for the better.
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>>5107623
It was post Jurassic Park media.
It was clearly made by people who witnesses JP and were inspired to make something of their own. To push limits.
Everything made today is just CGI Slop.
There is no sense of wonder anymore, no on location filming, little if any practical effects & props.
WWD was more than educational, it was art.
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>>5127171
>We don't have any fossilized remains of this dinosaur's tail, which means its tail was probably covered in hundreds penises and if you diagree you're anti-science!
>What's that? All the related species had completely normal looking tails?
>THAT PROVES NOTHING!!
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>>5129408
Boomers pissed and shat themselves over raptors having feathers and not looking like they do in Jurassic Park, so fags made changing the established view of dinosaurs their entire identity to own the boomers. This is why they treat retarded thought experiments as though they have the same weight as fossilized feathers.
The feathered Trex is a good litmus test. If someone still pushes that image despite all the trex skin impressions we have showing 0 feathers (and common sense from it's size/environment), they're a fag that cares more about owning le boomers than actual science. Like that faggot Trey the Explainer (the literal homosexual furry) who make an entire video crying how some new trex skin impressions that were discovered don't count.
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I think the notion of realism is often confused with design accuracy. The former, I’d argue, is more important than the latter for what these mockumentaries are trying to accomplish.
I like actual documentaries about fossils better. Does the world really need more CGI slop?
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>>5132387
Hollywood rarely takes a bet on dinosaur movies since Universal cornered the market on dinosaurs and a plot device to allow dinosaurs and humans to co-exist. CGI paleontology documentaries have ended up occupying the niche of "Dinosaur media that isn't Jurassic Park sequels or cartoons for actual toddlers"
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The reason nobody can figure out WWDs feel is because it was a high budget, high concept documentary that was trying to emulate a low budget stock footage documentary of the 80's & 90's
Prehistoric planet is trying to be a high budget BBC documentary like the Planet Earth series.
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>>5132456
if you want an example of what I mean.
https://youtu.be/xwWQu8rSqjQ?si=QXUEiPZkfY52WsX4&t=414
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA4nIRKZ1m8
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>>5132431
>Dinosaurs may have had penises that exended and wrapped around into their mouths so when they pissed the piss went into their mouths and they drank piss and they did it because dinosaurs loved drinking piss!!!
Time to put speculatory pissing-drinking dinos into a documentary.
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>>5128024
>If you looked at frigate bird skeleton, would you have any idea it had a giant balloon on its chest?
What the fuck kind of argument is this supposed to be? And if you did this with every other bird you would be reconstructing them incorrectly. Congratulations you just disproved your own stupid ass argument.