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I think the Lusca could be real. Not absurd, but imagine a 20 foot predatory octopus that can fit anywhere its beak could, existing in the blue hole cave ecosystem and avoiding anoxic water by going to the blue holes to breathe. And if someone happens to be there, it just yanks them down and you never see them again. Yes that Bob Gymlan video convinced me but man, its really persuasive. I'm a lusca truther now.
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>>5121998
It's just that there's a million "PGF IS A PROVEN HOAX" threads. It's like doing victory laps around the retarded kid but then also professing that some of those Bigfoot sightings were actually Giant Ground Sloths
>If you think they hate bigfoot you should see what they think of dogman
Anyone who has a serious and genuine interest in Cryptozoology hates the Dogman community, even the Bigfoot guys who aren't super schizo don't want them muddying up what reputation they have
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I now believe in Bigfoot due to David Paulides bigfoot DNA study. It is on YT and is highly worth a watch. His findings revealed human mother/unknown father.
Then you have all of the Native American cultures with names for bigfoot and stories regarding them. Scott Carpenter (Into the 400) investigates a very compelling piece of property where he obtains long trackways due to a muddy flat where the bigfeet traverse to harvest mussels. Anyways, my point is that to discount bigfoot you have to assume that all of these cultures, both ancient and current day are lying. As well as discount all of the footprint evidence that is currently being collected.
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>>5122152
I've said it before in these threads but i 100% believe bigfoot is an extinct or borderline extinct species purely because of how many native american tales describe what is essentially normal ape behavior. However i have a hard time believing the people who claim they are absolutely everywhere and even more so believing all the paranormal bullshit around the topic
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>>5122203
I think bigfoot is a little different because:
Number 1: As i said, a lot of those tales describe what is basically just a normal animal
And number 2: The fossil record is chock-full of bipedal apes
Still that is what i personally believe, i don't blame anyone for thinking it's all bullshit, specially because of the sheer amount of crazy people talking about interdimensional apes. Bigfootfags really did bring the bad rep upon themselves
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>>5122201
>Isn't there physical evidence of it too?
There’s a carcass that people like Bob Gymlan have taken as pretty solid evidence of a giant unknown octopus species living in the area, but they don’t seem to consider the possibility that it could be from a Humboldt or giant squid. It looks like it has a lot of connective tissue so I’d lean more towards squid. Even if there is an unknown giant octopus I doubt it would be behind the blue hole disappearances. Giant octopus are very docile unlike squid and when they do attack something they don’t drag it into the deep at light speed
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What do you guys think about cabin in the woods? personally i used to like his videos until he made one saying werewolves are real. Then he started making paranormal bigfoot videos and i lost all interest
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>>5122241
>The Lore Lodge has an immeasurable hatred for the guy
I wonder why? His DNA video/study that I mentioned seemed to be set up well. BTW, I agree with other posters that anyone talking about supernatural sasquatch stuff loses me instantly.
BTW, I mentioned "Scott" Carpenter earlier. It is actually Shane Carpenter and he made a documentary called Into the 400 about a private piece of 400 acre property he has had access to for years now. Basic story is that the owner was cutting down trees and started having some negative sightings of bigfoot. Shane came in and told him to stop logging property and started investigating. The muddy area has allowed him to consistently cast footprints, identify individuals and track their growth. What is interesting is that juvenile bigfoot footprints look essentially human until they age and spread out. Which mirrors what happens in Tarahumara Indians (the ones that run marathons in huaraches). Here he is talking about the 400 if anyone is interested. I really like this guy. Picrel is Shane with some casts. Check the size range. He said the juvies tend to hang with the female of the group and that he often casts them at the same time.
https://youtu.be/zRQ3fEfNju0?t=997
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>>5122249
>I wonder why?
They made a whole video about how David lied or misconstrued the events of some of the missing person cases he discussed
Does Shane have any sort of video evidence of these bigfoots or is it all just casts of their feet
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>>5122251
Oh, thank you.
Shane had some thermal footage in his documentary, but it was kinda underwhelming. They have been teasing a new documentary which was supposed to have already been released. The most impressive thing he has posted was a trackway with ~100 prints in a line IIRC. I will look for it. Here is the thermal footage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izhqq6lZZDc
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>>5122251
>Does Shane have any sort of video evidence of these bigfoots or is it all just casts of their feet
Just found the video of the trackway. 1:09:33 if it does not link correctly.
https://youtu.be/G-dVSJKRuZE?t=4172
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>>5122332
Apparently a bunch of people close to Patterson and Gimlin were saying it was faked and a bunch of Bigfoot believers who saw the Documentary agreed it was fake
But I'd also want to see this footage first. I heard they're having trouble finding a Publisher or whatever but being the one's who supposedly proved without a shadow of a doubt that they debunked the Patterson-Gimlin film I'd think they'd just post it on youtube or something
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>>5122579
Mind you, i don't even entirely agree that the PG film is 100% legit, i think everything about it looks real EXCEPT for the flat soles, that is something i have no way of explaining. But this whole new footage thing has been handled very strangely
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>>5122748
It is an articulated suit from the 70s, worn over foam padding and diapers, with featureless rubber soles visible on video
All gait analysis tells you is that the joints in the suit did not line up with the wearers body and made movement difficult and unnatural. This is actually a common feature in ape suits because well aligned limb proportions look human instead of monke.
You should have also noticed it has totally flat, monocolor rubber soles on its feet
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>>5123010
Personally I think the Ground Sloth theory only works if you assume it's a memory thing past down from generation to generation and people living in the area just assuming the animals would still be there
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>>5122801
>muh soles
https://archived.moe/an/thread/5101511/#q5103172
you sound insanely schizophrenic. It's an articulated suit? Using DIAPERS? And look at the fucking resolution of the video! It doesn't have high enough res to actually SEE any details on feet.
God, the least you could do is talk about how he published a bigfoot book before the film released. That's verifiable and proves he would have a monetary incentive to make a hoax. But this "muh soles" crap has always been an awful, stupid argument.
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>>5122152
lloyd pye correctly identified them as the hominids (now hominin). homo erectus, neanderthals and the like.
we have tonnes and tonnes of fossil evidence for them, it's just that admitting it means admitting the so-called "human ancestors" aren't extinct which completely fucks up the evolution story. so obviously that cannot be admitted to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5qJYwfAju8
an unbiased reconstruction of neanderthals just so happens to look exactly like sasquatch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZbmywzGAVs
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>>5122911
a surviving ground sloth in the amazon is oretty credible. there have been a lot of reports collected by david oren, who first dismissed it, but then was convinced by the amount of matching descriptions.
the traditional description of the mapinguari includes one eye and a mouth on its belly, while hunters talking about seeing one reported features that fit a mylodontid ground sloth.
if they hadn't seen a real animal, they should be more likely to resort talking about the mythological description.
there seems to be a lot less reports in the last couple decades though, so it seems likely they are rapidly declining in numbers. so we might lose them before they can be verified.
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>>5123540
Its a suit worn over padding. The joints of the suit do not align with the wearers. You can not perform legit gait analysis on a monkey costume.
Monkey costumes commonly have the waist below the wearers real waist and the knees and ankles poorly aligned with the wearers to create the illusion of inhuman proportions and movement.
Notice they never show the fingers moving. The hands are stiff. Why? To create the illusion of longer arms, ape suits often use dummy gloves with limited/no motion.
Congratulations on analyzing a blurry video of an ape suit and discovering that monkey costumes do not cling to the human body!
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>>5123626
Neanderthals aren’t human ancestors. They're a splinter race that barely survives as 3% max of our DNA. We did not evolve from neanderthals. Very inbred humans however, express more stereotypical neanderthal traits.
> admitting the so-called "human ancestors" aren't extinct which completely fucks up the evolution story
>if birds evolved from lizards why are there still lizards
There are real criticisms of fully natural human evolution. We developed traits like multipyramidal kidneys, blubber, a massive brain, and insane levels of skull vascularization so fast relative to species that definitely arose naturally, it implies gene editing or domestication imposed upon naturally evolved hominids. But there still being monkeys is not such a criticism. There are still isolated humans that are non-negligibly similar to homo erectus.
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>>5123698
>You can not perform legit gait analysis on a monkey costume.
you can, and it would show the joints, which is what you were discussing before. Be consistent. The rest of your post is the trite "yeah but it COULD be faked so it HAS to be." Apply that to the moon landing, apply that to 9/11, apply that to your speeding ticket you got, you'll be laughed at. Don't be daft, consider the information in front of you impartially.
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>>5123714
you wouldnt see any real joints. you would see the suits joints engaging in restrained, awkward motion with flat rubber soles and immobile hands and wrists. which is what you do see.
you also see patterson and gimlin consequently making moolah off guided bigfoot hunts, books, and interviews.
it’s over for you when the pgf rehearsal footage gets its full release lol
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>>5123773
all the most popular cryptids (Bigfoot, Nessie, Chupacabra, Mothman) are retarded. The only plausible ones are undiscovered animals in the poorly explored regions of places like New Guinea and the Congo.
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>>5123749
>you wouldnt see any real joints. you would see the suits joints
didn't read the rest because this type of disingenuous nonsense is why you fags are somehow the least reasonable people in every bigfoot thread.
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>>5125388
you mean the easiest, least-effort, most casual well-poisoning literally anybody could conceive of and then accomplish?
>I think the sky is blue
>Yeah well I think it's made of prickly-polkadot antimatter that will melt your eyes and the government made it all up
>dumb fucking sky-believers, this is why it's such a joke
this is how you sound
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>>5125806
we spent the last decade being told
>you fucking chuds there's NO international child sex trafficking ring with all the world's millionaires and billionaires and that's just a conspiracy theory
and every single time it was brought up with the legitimacy it had, people spout
>yeah like muh 9/11
>yeah the moon landing was faked too
>yeah and the earth is flat
>yeah and dinosaurs weren't real
and the discussion would halt, because when you talk about something, the >>5125763
>easiest, least-effort, most casual well-poisoning literally anybody could conceive of and then accomplish
is saying
>yes, and [unbelievable babble]
If someone is saying
>well it's possible for a cryptid to exist
and someone else follows up with
>YEAH AND IT'S A SHAPESHIFTING DEMON FROM AGARTHA THAT SPOKE TO ME IN 89 USING TELEPATHIC WAVES AND HE LOVES WEED AND SAYS IT SHOULD BE LEGALIZED
then it's well poisoning, and you shouldn't let the latter color your opinion on the former. If you DO, then you're a retard falling for a blatant trick. Dumbass.
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>>5127251
Henry Audubon (the famous 19th century American nationalist) claims to have documented a giant brown fish eating eagle in the upper Mississippi drainage and Kentucky River valley. He claimed it had a 10’2” (3.1m) wingspan, and said it was a cliff nearer instead of a tree nearer, like the Bald Eagle. No one has been able to substantiate his claims, though he published plenty of observations about living Washington’s Eagles and claimed to have collected and measured several specimens.
For perspective, the largest documented Golden Eagle had a 2.55m (8’5”) wingspan, so the Washington’s eagle would be a true giant.
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>>5127926
Man i love this type of cryptids, i find them more interesting than supposed mythological creatures with super powers.
My completely amateur opinion is that this thing was absolutely real but may be extinct by now. The size was probably exaggerated but even if it wasn't that is a completely plausible size.
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>>5128576
The 6 foot tall orangutan is called "Mias pappan" and supposedly had black hair instead of orange. The interesting thing here is that it comes from back when SEA was first being explored and was described alongside the orangutans we have today
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In regards to cryptid footage, anybody got that video of the monkey in the park? It's filmed at a distance, some vaguely ape-like figure bouncing through the orange glow of a sodium street light, and then there's a splice to a separate video of some chained up gate violently shaking.
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>>5128730
>Sightings often placed their swarms in numbers far larger than any other locust species, with one famous sighting in 1875 estimated at 198,000 square miles (510,000 km2) in size (greater than the area of California), weighing 27.5 million tons and consisting of some 12.5 trillion insects, the greatest concentration of animals ever recorded.
And apparently just a mere 30 years later, they went extinct for reasons no-one's really sure of.
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>>5128915
Part 1 and Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNlfiq9MR9A
Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQemgTDzz-Q
It had been years since I've seen these, and I got some details wrong, but these are the videos in question. Part 3 is probably my favourite, Part 2 is obviously human vocalizations, and Part 1 just looks like a crackhead.
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>>5128916
Yeah i dismiss any sound recordings that don't sound like the sierra sounds. These kind of reminds me of the laughable sasquatch ontario recordings that are just a guy burping out words. I think the same guy who did the voices admitted it and made one burping out "i am... not... real..." kek
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>>5128986
I just like the visual of the pale ape-like thing crawling under the street light from a distance - it's spooky.
I've been looking for these videos for a while, and the only thing I could remember, was that it took place in a 'park', and what the footage looked like, but searching shit like 'monkey cryptid park video' wasn't turning up anything in traditional search engines. Desperate, I unironically had to ask fucking Grok by dropping the above descriptions, and it was able to direct me towards a TWO HOUR LONG FUCKING FACEBOOK video full of 'creepy tiktok' clips, and I was able to find what I was looking for, by scanning through that. From those clips, I had the proper keywords, and I was able to find the standalone footage on Google/Youtube, easily enough by searching them
>in the end, I had both videos liked already......
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Skeptics (which i am one when it comes to lake monsters but lets assume i'm not for the sake of the argument) really need to get their shit together with explaining fake cryptid photos and footage. They always come up with multiple different 100% true and legit explanations for what they are which sometimes makes them sound more schizo than the believers somehow
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>>5122152
>you have all of the Native American cultures with names for bigfoot and stories regarding them
this is mostly a meme. the whole "bigfoot is rooted in native folklore" is absolute bullshit that just keeps repeated without knowing shit about it. there is no common version of bigfoot among the tribes. Pretty much every culture/mythology on earth has some version of "savage man in the woods" archetype, but they all vary in their specifics.
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>>5122783
Its not exactly "the kraken" like in mythology. Its an interesting creature and it is pretty big, but it is not a giant octopus that pulls whole ships into the sea. We also knew for a very long time, that there must be some sort of large squid, because it was known that sperm whales had them on their menu. Thats like discovering the orangutan and saying bigfoot turned out real
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>>5125106
Many cryptid believers dont necessarily think cryptids have to be ordinary animals that just evolved that way. They arent interested in cryptids from a zoologist point of view. They just like the idea of mysterious creatures and monsters
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>>5130335
I read an article years ago about how the Indians who the name sasquatch comes from also believed in dwarves, fairies and giants but the white guy who adopted the name omitted those other beings for being too fantastical
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>>5130340
I feel like it is a case of people exaggerating stories that turned it into a ship-sinking titanic monster. I can see a random viking finding a dying, let's say, 30 foot long giant squid, and telling his friends "a 50 foot squid tried to sink my boat!". Then one night they are at the bar and one of his friends goes "Hey Olaf, tell us about the time that 70 foot octopus sunk your ship" and so on
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>>5125106
One interpretation i read once that i thought was cool is that it is actually a raccoon relative since they already have functioning hands. Of course i don't believe it but it's cool speculative biology
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>>5130415
>well technically that counts as a cryptid!
fucking called it lmao
Yes anon you technically arent wrong. You can also say "A dinosaur has taken a shit on my car", because pigeons are dinosaurs. But most people would think thats a bit unusual
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>>5130438
I think when people talk about cryptids, they usually mean animals/creatures that have a certain mystery and folklore surrounding them.A random bug that only 5 people in the world speculate about isnt the same as the giant squid or a yeti. Again, using the term very broadly isnt wrong technically. But certain words have certain connotations outside of their literal definition. Its like calling a glass of water "a drink""
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>>5130348
The Zoologist side of Cryptozoology is what makes anything about Cryptids worth caring about and looking into. When you start including "Cryptids" that a bunch of country folk and hill people claim they saw one time then it starts to become a giant joke
Insisting on Dogman, Mothman and other shit like that is letting everyone else know you aren't interested in anything other than your own idea of "Rule of Cool"
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>>5122040
Bob seems like a chill guy but he really does perfectly exemplify the 'serious' part of the cryptid community- he's super into bigfoot and other cryptids, anyone who watches him enjoys the spooky stories and that's basically it, but he'll STILL go out of his way to do a little patter around DO I LE BELIEVE? WELL...
Cryptids are interesting to me, they'll never stop being interesting to me, but every time I engage in the topic I have to pick the fucking raisins of intellectual dishonesty out of my cryptid oatmeal cookie
Also really want that guy to branch out, he has a talent and a set of skills he shouldn't waste, even if he considers YT a hobby
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>>5122152
Anything spooky and interesting about bigfoot for me is the idea that it's a creature with seemingly supernatural abilities, anytime people talk about it being an endangered ape that's just good at hiding I clock out completely
Like wtf are you talking about? You're all about bigfoot and you draw the line at ESP and portals? gtfoh my bigfoot can teleport or he doesn't exist
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>>5122152
>you have to assume that all of these cultures, both ancient and current day are lying
Bro. Folklore. It's folklore. People in every part of the world do this shit. You live in the woods, you see animals, you hear random sounds all your life, you hear about your uncle and cousin glimpsing moose and getting stalked by a bear and shit, you just naturally end up envisioning and talking about a hairy fucker in the woods. Same reason you have dragons all over the world. In my country we have gnomes and trolls. Were our ancestors lying about the funny forest men? No, they were doing folklore shit just like everyone else. Half of the ones I grew up reading about are just objectively, obviously specifically constructed to keep kids from staying out and night- there are like four of them specifically designed to make kids scared of swimming in moving water. Hurr durr trust the natives yeah I'll just go ahead and take my ancestors' word for it when they say grandma told them there's a horse that likes to trick kids into drowning so it can eat them.
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>>5123540
Fucking thank you! I tried to subtly make this point to some asshole on another forum bitching about believers "seeing things" then turning around saying how you can see xyz proving it's fake bur he didn't tumble..
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>>5130415
>A cryptid is an animal that isn't recognized by science so that bug is literally a cryptid.
No it isn't. A cryptid has to be an animal for which there is some evidence but that is disputed. Someone just discovering a new animal isn't a cryptid because it was never disputed.
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Crawler trailcam pics just dropped. Real?
https://phantomsandmonsters.com/post/pale-crawler-humanoid-captured-on -trail-cams-in-rural-hillsborough-c ounty-florid
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>>5127957
The biggest credibility problem with Washington’s Eagle was that Naturalists of Audubon’s era absolutely published second and third hand accounts as first hand accounts due to glory hounding, and Audubon specifically was known to tell tales to his peers to get them to publish fakes. Rafinesque, specifically, once was caught up by this and was fooled into publishing 28 fakes (that we’ve been able to specifically attribute to him being snookered by Audubon) because he had broken Audubon’s favorite violin collecting a Little Brown Bat that had gotten into Audubon’s house when Rafinesque was staying with Audubon (apparently Audubon awoke to a racket and found Rafinesque chasing the bat around his house with a broken violin, naked).
So Washington’s Eagle may be the reverse, a fake Audubon claimed to have observed because Audubon was appropriating someone else’s story as his own. Certainly by 1875, people were pretty sure it hadn’t ever existed.
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The sighting happened about twenty years back in a suburb of Birmingham, England called King's Norton. My friend, who we will call Dave, was around twenty two years old and he relayed the story to me about two years after it happened. Dave was a very straight chap, not at all interested in mysteries, paranormal topics, UFOs etc and was well known for his honesty. He knew I was interested in such matters and one night told me he wanted to share something he hadn't talked about with anyone before.
His story starts with him coming home from a night out with friends in Birmingham city centre, although he had been drinking he stressed he was not drunk and had a clear head. He got off the night service bus at Kings Norton Green and decided to cut through a large playing field, which sits opposite the cemetery at The Green, to the canal at the bottom which would have cut about half an hour off his walk home. It was a clear night with the moon providing a fair amount of light but it was very cold. He started to walk along the path which runs along the edge of the field linking to a small road before you reach the canal that runs onto a main road.
After walking about a quarter of the length he glanced to his left and saw a very tall man walking parallel with him across the other side of the field, he estimated that the guy was about seven to eight foot tall which made him look a little more carefully, whilst still walking. He noticed to his surprise the guy had what appeared to be the head of an Alsatian dog.
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At first he thought maybe it was a mask of some sort but as he looked he could see the creatures breath coming from its snout (it was very cold) and there seemed to be a fluid movement as it walked, not the stiff neck you'd expect from a mask placed over a mans head.
The creature was wearing a long, dark coat and never looked in Dave's direction. Dave panicked a little at this point (he's exact phrase was his arse was chewing toffee!) and decided to speed up his pace, which he did. He glanced again to his left and was alarmed to see the DHM had matched his pace but stayed on a parallel course. He stayed calm and continued his brisk walk observing the DHM from the corner of his eye, if the thing changed it's direction he would run but he still hoped it was all a bad dream or a hoax.
At the bottom instead of crossing the brook that runs along the base of the field leading to the canal he cut right up the small road, just before he reached the road he broke into a sprint and looked fully at he DHM to see what it would do. It kept pace with him but didn't appear to be running again maintaining it's parallel course. It stepped over the brook like you would a small puddle at which time Dave had to turn his back making the sprint to the main road. He said that was the worst part, imagining this thing was right at his back.
At last he reached the main road with a fair bit of traffic to build his confidence and turned to see if this thing had followed him. It was nowhere to be seen. That's pretty much what he told me,
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>>5132494
What can a ghost elephant actually do though? If you hug its hind legs it can't reach you with its truck, and its too sluggish to get away while you repeatedly pommel it from behind. If you stand to the side of its hind legs then it won't even be able to hit you with a back kick. If it raises its leg to perform a stomp then all you have to do is back off until it finishes its slam, then move back in to continue punching.
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