>>21875703
>Early thread
Anyways fuck wax seals

>>21875703
>recommend valentines day wines,
Port Valdouro Rose
* Approachable
* Engaging
* Strong
* Affordable

Ports & Madeiras in general are recommended because they're so hilariously out of fashion you can pick up something incredibly drinkable and potent for cheap.

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Got some parr stems

>>21875974
How much are those? I have the speigelau definitions and wouldn't pay more per glass than those.
>>21875703
>valentines day wines
Saint Amour Beaujolais ofc

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>2011+15
>implying I'm going to be anything other than alone on v-day as usual
Normies don't like me. So I don't like normies.

Anyway I'm drinking bairrada. Or will be once I pop this cork.

>>21876002
I too will be alone as usual.
Will probably pop one of the 2022 pulignys i have.

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For me, it's Ridge.

>>21875983
the two whites I've tasted on it are grossly outperforming my current stems, they're cheaper than spei def but i've only tasted out of those glasses a handful of times.

>>21875729
They're fun to hit with a small hammer or butter knife.

>>21876270
The trouble is the little particulates of broken wax get fucking everywhere in the kitchen.

>>21876286
or worse, the rug

>>21876288
or worse, the wine

>>21876286
Exactly. Hate how it just flies all over the place.

>>21876609
They need to put the wax on there to reassure the customer that there is nothing wrong with the cork and it's spozeduh taste that way

>>21876622
I know you're joking but just get those new fancy corks.

>>21876625
I mean I kind of made it up but I think it's pretty likely in the case of your oxidized meme wine, that they would do it as a preemptive quality statement since they were doing it before the internet

chenin for lunch

>>21876609
Just do it over le garbàge.

Just had 2021 Esporao Monte Velho
Portuguese blend
Smells like strawberry and pink pussy oh my goood I loooved it

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Monday

>>21877343
>pussy
Fishy?
Anyways seems interesting might get this if I see it.
>>21877423
I had the 2023 of this a few months ago and thought it was delicious.

>>21877426
>Fishy?
No, sweet and lovely

$10 vinho Verde

>>21877426
>Fishy?
Are you serious?

>>21879387
this ain't bad tho, iirc i scored this high 80s, at worst ≥87/100

Had a 2020 Mount Eden Chardonnay Reserve for dinner tonight. Supposedly smoke rained but I couldn’t taste any smoke. Real nice wine.

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>>21879371
Kinda

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>>21875703

>>21875703
The our daily organic wines are way better than their $11-12 price tag suggests.

>>21879429
>Organic
You mean like natural wines?

>>21879431
Naw these:
https://ourdailywines.com/

how do i get into wine

Whoops sorry accidental post'

>>21879441
Go to the liquor store and buy the cheapest of whatever style. That's it, you're set. The whole industry is filled with snake oil bullshit. You taste a bottle of one style, you've tasted the entire style. Sommeliers can't tell a $10 bottle from a $300 bottle so don't think that you will be able to.

>>21879505
yeah but which styles

>>21879441
try a lineup of wines, comparative tasting with different wines side by side is the best way to expose your palate do different stuff and get an understanding of what your preferences are. imho, lineups are the best.

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>>21879441
wine is not necessarily this bespoke/expensive artiste pursuit, it can just be a hobby. I remember seeing that wine quality levels out at ~$60/bottle, and you can have a downright great time with a $19 bottle. the super expensive prices are for rarity/novelty of flavor, not necessarily great taste.
just buy some. you could go by a varietal chart and choose by weight. you could go by color, you could go by region, or by pairing. you'll eventually find one you like.
a good amount of the fun is finding the different notes. it's why it's fun to drink wine with someone else. sure, wine tastes like wine, but maybe this wine makes a certain part of your tongue tingle like it does when you eat a blackberry. so you say "getting notes of blackberry" either as an ironic faggot or a genuine faggot, but it's fun. then the person you're with says "I'm getting notes of cherry", and maybe you notice those notes too, and agree, or disagree. nobody's definitively right because it's ultimately subjective. it's a little back and forth, a sense that you can share with someone.

an anon here gave me this book rec and it's good, it's never steered me wrong. there's a good few chapters of writing at the front, and there's a chart at the back if you're finding pairings.

>>21879790
>geroges duboeuf wine book
read this is frasier's voice

Posted in the last thread about being nervous for my WSET 3 exam.

Good news, I passed. Thanks for the encouragement frens, celebrated with champagne and ghemme.

>>21880094
based, happy for you anon

>>21880094
nice :) congratulations!

>>21880094
shoulda had a fuckin bud lite dude

>>21877434
That's now how pussy smells. Pussy tastes like egg whites

>>21880575
>Pussy tastes like egg whites
true, with an ever so light touch of tang

>>21880577
it's called VA

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found a local place that has decent prices on the good stuff

>>21880624
ZAYUMN

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all kindsa wines out there. peanut nor

>>21880776
just because it's crashing in napa doesn't mean it's crashing everywhere

>>21880776
It isn’t crashing but it’s been contracting for several years.

>>21880776
wines that were 200 a few years ago are 400 now
doubt they'll ever drop back down to 200 but I hope lots of these conglomerates go bankrupt

I was in CA for work and saw giant burn piles everywhere of vines that were planted on the shittiest valley floor sites. Glad to see it.

>>21880776
The market for expensive wine is growing, it's the goyslurp market that's contracting.

>>21881210
I think it's more that wine is becoming more popular as an interest, but less popular as an everyday drink. You can still buy dirt cheap wine if you want it.

>>21881213
zillenial hands typed this

What’re the top 5 red Italian grape varietals and is Montepulciano one of them?

>>21881248
It better be. Prob top 2 for me.
>>21880776
Cause its DRC.

>>21881236
You're correct. Your peers will be drinking wine when they get older, zoomie (unless you're a flyover).

>>21881248
I would say Nebbiolo, Nerello Mascalese, Aglianico and Sangiovese are all better, but it might be number 5.

>>21881248
1. nebbiolo
2. sangiovese
3. nerello
4. sagrantino
5. aglianco
I'd put montepulicano at 6 ahead of barbera at 7 followed by corvina, pelaverga and grignolino to round out the top 10.

>>21875703
Wine is meant to be drunk watered down. the romans knew this. only poor people drank whine undiluted.

>>21881327
nobody except germans do this today

Patagonia Pinot noir

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>he's in the files

>>21882859
real?

>>21882852
I’ve never bothered with these since they’re like $7 when I could get nuri, ortiz, or bella for cheaper and pic rel has even less fish due to the potatoes, but also that recipe sounds pretty good guess I’ll have to give em a shot
Uhh kuentz-bas pinot blanc with last night’s cod fish and tonight’s videogames
Had to find the fish shaped arrangement of squares for the captcha kek

>>21882864
Maybe

Napa Chenin Blanc

>>21875974
>>21875983
update, one already broke.

>>21883227
DRUK

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>>21883273
literally bumped the base on a lamp shade as i picked it up from the end table and it fell off from the stem.
>minus $30

>>21883196
didnt even know those exist.
>>21883227
>>21883292
rip. least it didnt break while washing...

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Anybody else really like La Mozza? I don't think I've ever had a bad wine from them.

>>21883403
no but this packaging is making me not want to try them

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>>21883480
I don't know, man, this is pretty good, you should give it a shot.

>>21883606
Idk are you sure this isn't sloppa made for Americans?

>>21883627
b-but it's a DOC! it's indicative of EVROPEAN TRADITION

Vinho Verde time

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>>21880094
Krug time

Will be drinking a chateauneuf by myself for Valentine’s Day :D

>>21884829
which producer?

>>21884880
Something st Martin ‘22

>>21886265
Nice. What wine fridge?

>>21875729
Screwtops are just better and I'm not going to pretend they aren't.

>>21879505
this is only true for liquor store wine, when you start going to wineries and cellar doors you'll finally know what actual good wine tastes like

>>21886687
artevino

>>21883403
never had a ciliegiolo from tuscany, how do they compare to the ones from liguria?

rioja fucking sucks, this is straight up boomer juice

>>21887232
drink some R. Lopez de Heredia you fucking plebe

>>21887232
They hated Jesus because he spoke truth

yarra valley chardonnay with some age on it.... kinda good ngl

2021 Etna Rosso

>>21875974
>>21883227
>>21883273
>>21883315
AAAND the second one just broke, absolutely garbage.

I fucking love Barbera d'Asti

>>21889596
are you washing them by hand? don't do that. dishwasher is better for delicate stuff, contrary to popular belief.

>>21889611
I was doing a tasting, wine 24 or 24 on the day and i wiped off a bit of sticky finger prints on the bowl with a napkin and the stem snapped off.

>>21889596
KWAB
Sent from my 3-year old Spiegelau Definitions

>>21889608
this

>>21889608
I prefer d'alba cause theyre cheaper in my experience.

Walter Scott Chardonnay holy shit

>>21891530
Sounds like something that I can't afford

>>21891535
they ain't cheap

gavi di gavi

Bethel Heights Estate Chardonnay 2017

2022 Jadot beaujo village
Yum

2011 buty ridivivia stones rock syrah, walla walla

>>21893592
these stll crush with +10 years of age on them too, assuming they're stored correctly

>>21893621
Can't say I've ever had a non-cru beajo that old. Good to know!

>>21893674
oh ya, some anon in the last /vin/ thread posted about a 2015 moulin a vent that was singing and entering its drinking window.

>>21893687
but that was a cru,a couple threads before I posted about a 2016 LJ bojo village half bottle that was still drinking well, although the 2019 I had alongside it was performing better.

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A littel late night '22 Puligny action

>>21893734
a 22 Puligny sounds kino
jealous

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>>21889596
i think you need these

>>21881016
industry is a shitshow everywhere but burgundy and champagne

>>21893768
Feels like Italy still moves at a good volume.

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>>21893768
>Everywhere but the 2 best regions is doing shit
Wonder why

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Western Cape Syrah, got some age on her too, a 2015

>>21894938
Sounds tasty.

2020 Thomas Barton Reserve Graves Blanc

is Rose & Arrow worth it?

Verdicchio di Matelica

Thinking Rosso di Montalcino this Friday night

>>21895201
Never heard of it
>>21896465
Nice. I haven't had one in years

>>21896475
hype pinot producer out of willamette, their single vineyard labels start at like $100

>>21896509
>$100 for anything outside of Piedmont, Burgundy, or Champagne
Lol lmao even

>>21896515
No love for Tuscany or cult Cali?

>>21896516
Tuscany you get top tier stuff at like 80 or (100 below)
Napa is a scam. But maybe it's just cause I hate most of the Cali styles (their BDX and Chardonnays are not my cup of tea).

My order from Patricia Green Cellars came in yesterday and I popped a bottle of the 2023 Estate Pinot Noir last night. Just fantastic and as close to a daily drinker as I’ll ever get. Just great stuff.

>>21896524
no. i'm talking about the sine qua non and saxums of cali

>>21896532
patty green makes some good juice, is it an allocation? I just put in my clos selene order and I'm waiting on the tablas creek, dipping my toe into dunham cellars from washington too.

>>21896515
>he's a prestigetard

>>21896977
well you better have some prestige if you’re charging over $100 and competing with the big boys. a lot of these producers can fuck right off

Lambrusco time

>>21896977
I'm not saying I agree with paying over a $100 for a bottle of NSG. But at least there's justifable worldwide demand for it. Over $100 for something from Oregon is just laughable.
>>21898166
I should get me some...

2021 Bruno Rocca Barbera d’Alba. It’s okay.

Going to Santa Ynez next weekend, what should I look out for?

>>21899157
Our Lady of Guadeloupe (Single Vineyard Syrah is my favorite)
Jonata with age if you can but that might be Ballard canyon nearby.
Tyler
Bonaccorsi
Foxen low key has some great value reds, their Chenin is good too
Sandhi for Chardonnay
Sea Smoke
Hollus Bollus
Paul Lato
I think Presquile and Au Bon Climat you can pass on but some people love that shit.
Some of these aren’t in Santa Ynez but you’ll find them within 15 minutes of SYV. Go to Bell’s or Bar Le Cote if you can.

Someone explain the science behind red wine drunk. I have a really high alcohol tolerance but red wine not only gets me drunk fast but also makes me feel the best.

>>21899256
Also, the more purple the wine is, the more I like it for whatever reason.

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More Rhône

>>21899229
Ty

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>>21899322
Diatom and the Hitch (or the Hilt?) make some good shit too, they’re the same producer.

>>21899302
oh thats gonna be good.
>>21899229
>Au Bon Climat
one of the most overrated producers maybe ever.

>>21899259
This guy likes mega purple

>>21900270
Ayo what's mega purple?

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>>21900349

>>21889608
/thread

first time in 25 years that no part of california is in drought, should have a classic vintage coming for some.

>>21900403
Looks tasty.

>>21900403
>What you get when someone brings a bottle of shitty California cab to your home

>>21900403
>when she says she only drinks caymus

Gonna be organizing a team building at some villa. Two night stay. Can't decide on what (red) wine to get. Will need two bottles for myself and 2-3 for the other 15 people.

>>21900509
what's the budget? 2-3 bottles for 15 people seems on the low end, I'd just get a half case of something easy to drink

>>21900510
I don't have a budget. Nothing ridiculously overpriced obviously. Half a case would be what, 6 bottles? If I get a case, there's no variety though. What do you have in mind when you say easy to drink? I personally like full bodied wine. Kinda don't really care what the others would like that much, but I do wanna pick something more rare and interesting.

>>21900516
Get a case of Mendoza Malbec, that can be like $100, absolutely under $150 for a dozen of very drinkable full bodied high altitude argentine wine.

>>21900519
I'd say the low end is around $80 USD for a case of good malbec, that's what a good retail shop is paying for wholesale by the case if they got a good malbec plug

>>21900509
>Will need two bottles for myself and 2-3 for the other 15 people.
Kek

>>21900519
Malbec is the one grape I haven't gotten to enjoy. I think it's because last time I had it it was a shit brand and I was in a bad mood. These prices don't mean much to me either since I'm in eastern yurop. Our selection and pricing seems to be quite different. I did have this one really great Argentinian Syrah once, but I don't think I can find it again. I'm thinking maybe something Italian like Primitivo. I could get Greek stuff like Xinomavro or Mavrodaphne too. I could also get some Bulgarian bottles but those revolve around the most popular grape in the world (?) Cabernet Sauvignon, or Mavrud, which I'm not the biggest fan of. The caveat there is that these will be cheaper for the same or better quality. A lot of them are also branded as natural wines, but I really don't know if that's just marketing or what difference it makes really, and if it's a benefit or not. Outside of bragging rights in front of the hoes anyways.

Is Malbec the more popular choice in the US?

>>21900551
If I want to get drunk I do one bottle of red wine then go to the bar for cocktails and shots. Since I'll be with colleagues, I won't get wasted and a bottle a night will be just enough to keep me tipsy.

>>21900563
oh ya if you're in eastern europe I'd recommend Primitivo. Malbec is the equivalent of that here on the west coast USA. If you want something weird you can get good Saperavi from Georgia or Blaufrankisch from Czech for crazy value, not sure what the selection is like in Bulgaria tho. I've had a decent Cab Franc from Bulgaria once.

>>21900565
>Cab Franc

Yeah but that's a meme. Maybe I'll change my mind in the future, but that's just too light for no reason. I also get hate for not drinking white wine, but really what's the point? These recs seem cool. I'll see if I can find them and try them out before I commit. Guess more excuses to drink wine.

>>21900573
the point of white wine is that it tastes good with seafood and is very refreshing in hot weather

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I also need to find a new wine bar, because a couple of days ago I was pouring my last glass at my favorite bar and I placed the glass a little harder on the table and it just snapped at the stem. Spilled it allover the damn table. Now I'm embarrassed to go back. Look at this shit.

>>21900584
What's really embarrassing is people saw you do that, and then saw you grab your phone to take a picture of it.

>>21900588
No, what was REALLY embarrassing was me getting a roll of paper towels from the girl, cleaning a bit, then going back to her asking her for the same roll, just for her to tell me that it's right there on my table.

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>>21900593
youch.

anyway, Massimo Lentsch Etna Bianco

>>21900584
Just get a to-go bottle of some expensive shit, tip them generously and they'll forget it ever happened.

>>21900584
Glasses break it's normal

22 St. Emilion

2013 Tondonia

Colli Bolognesi Pignoletto NV
breddy gud; SUPER fucking vanilla / cream taste mindfucks me into thinking it's sweet but it's at least as low g/L sugar to qualify as brut

>>21901272
does the bourbon barrel flavor drop out of rioja with age?

really only like cabernet sauvignon
Any other varieties of similar wine i could get into? I prefer dryer. Same goes for a white give me something dry.

>>21902467
Barolo or barbaresco. Sorry about your wallet.

>>21902473
Not a factor in my case

>>21902484
In that case, congratulations to your local liquor store owner.

>>21902493
I will be sure to put there kids through college. All 3 of them.

>>21901502
The oak? No.
Try the Crianza or Bosconia (which I prefer).

>>21899256
Its the drunkenness that only the greek gods prefered.

>>21902467
Merlot obviously

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>>21900403
I wonder how far this would stretch for a brewer
https://www.napafermentation.com/store/p647/wine-grape-concentrate-hi-color-purple-8000.html

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The Ukranian barista at my favorite place is leaving. He made great coffee and was chill as heck. Shout out him. I'll miss lil bro. Praying his replacement isn't some weird specimen.

>>21903398
Get him some bubbles then shieet

Just had the worst bottle of Pinot Noir.

>>21903404
Wait this isn't my tab for the dam coffee general. I got baited by this dude's >>2190251 pepe. Now my post got wasted and I can't repost it, because it would be embarrassing...

Wtf is a cotes de toul?

>>21904317
>cotes de tou
https://www.wine-searcher.com/regions-cotes+de+toul
https://en.winedexer.com/top-100-wine/france/moselle/cotes-de-toul

>>21903406
>Buying Pinot noir from California

>>21904328
Seriously

>>21891530
Eola-Amity master race

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>>21875703
/vin/ - OP’s favorite wine edition

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Leave Tuscan hate in 2025

>>21904328
Santa Ynez produces great PN

>>21905479
>Cock wine

>>21905516
Yes, there’s a big black cock on the neck.

>>21905479
>Chianti
I thought we agreed this wine died with the boomers

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>>21905589
Relax, here’s your emotional support cru bojo with age on it

>>21905675
Looks amazing my favorite Cru too

Chilean Chardonnay time

>>21881248
Depends on what metrics you use to consider Top 5. In terms of popularity id imagine itd be between
>Sangiovese
>Nebbiolo
>Primitivo
>Barbera
>Lambrusco di (insert village name here)
In terms of what i think is the best by quality outputs id keep the first two and throw in
>Aglianico
>Verduno Pelaverga
>Canaiolo

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Day old Pinot
Ya

James Rahn Dion Vineyard Syrah 2020

>>21906798
No nerello? Sagrantino?

what are some good sweet reds?

>>21907709
Port, Banyuls, Recioto della Valpolicella, the list goes on...

>>21907709
Zinfandel

>>21907709
Xinomavro

Yeah it’s a Muscadet day

>>21907709
Random cheap California cabernet

>>21905675
Funny, I just got a julienas today. Am I going to like it? It was like $18 so if it has that bojo taste, like someone washed a doberman with it and strained it through an old sock, I can live with that

>>21908972
Update: it tastes really good but it does have that smell like something went wrong. It's more "sophisticated" but between this and the generic VdF gamay noir I had yesterday, it's a wash

>>21908972
>>21909011
It's like the value equivalent of Savigny to the Gevrey Chambertin (Morgon).
Its a good value Cru. Least the ones I've had.

>>21909025
T B H Senpai fleurie is the only one that seems to consistently push all the right buttons without pushing any of the wrong ones. And that includes morgon, which apparently has filtered me

>>21909027
What I should have said was Morgon/Fleurie since they're usually both the most prized.
I actually prefer Chenas/Julienas/Moulin

>>21909058
Moulin seems to me at least as expensive as morgon

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>>21909011
the guy that bought the julienas >>21905675 i thought it was good but i think it lacked structure like most gamay, I haven't tasted fleurie yet but I think molin is still the only cru worth buying, morgon are often completely spineless--like wine for sour beer drinkers, the other end of the spectrum to say rioja, which is wine for bourbon drinkers--although i like the tannins on julienas, I think it's not as interesting as molin, the structure doesn't even compare imho. I think gamay in general struggles to achieve balance because the structure the grip is just so pathetic, I think there's a reason it often sells at lower price point than ploussard, trousseau and mondeause of similar quality, and that's not even mentioning the weirder reds you can get out of austria, northern italy and swtizerland these days which are only recently beginning to climb in price and gain recognition outside of europe.

also, malvasia bianca from paso robles tonight

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Pinot Grigio is by far the most overhated varietal of 2026. You niggas drop hundreds on Vosne-Romanee that taste like wet rocks and nothing else but will list a dozen flavor notes for an Alto-Adige PG with structure, edges and grip and say it isn't worth the $15.99 retail price.

>>21909254
are you that guy who keeps sperging about how rioja tastes like bourbon barrel stout? I'm not exactly a rioja stan, I probably drink it 3x a year at best but I do think your view of rioja is a little bit eh... tesco

swiss wine is a novelty at best. you could wipe out all the wines on earth and leave only northern italy and austria and I could probably live with that. wipe out swiss wine and I'd just shrug

>>21907708
I find both are overrated, especially Nerello. Although i prefer Umbria and Sicilian white wines way more than reds. Paolo Bea does a good Sagrantino but i find most other producers make that grape very boring and dont make it fun. Aglianico i find has way more stylistic range from glouglou to serious long elevage styles, same with Canaiolo, and Pelaverga i find is becoming the new hotness grape in Piedmont given how every single one ive had has been remarkable unless Grignolino starts taking off.

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>>21909367
Pinot on skins is pretty top but i still prefer Pinot Bianco/Pinot Blanc and other Friuli grapes like Tokaj Friulano and Ribolla Gialla.
Pic related is insane Pinot Blanc even if its not technically stylistically accurate.

>>21909367
italian PG is one of those things I try every few years to double check if I was wrong, like with australian or south african wine. I think my last try was some meme PG from a 5000 year old monestary that was like $25 and it was mid. and that's better than I remember it being but for $25 I could get much better eye talian white wines. I will say it was better than the "kerner" which I am glad I checked off my list of second tier grapes to try, so I can never drink it again.

so in conclusion italian pinot grigio deserves all the hate, and then some. loire is all a guy needs. fight me.

>>21909531
sorry I meant alsace, the south africa thing accidentally put my word salad generator in chenin blanc mode

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>the pernand-vergelesses was oxidized

>>21909367
Easily my least favorite major grape.
Just awful.
>>21909072
Maybe, I don't see it as much where I am tbf.

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>>21909526
seek out this sagrantino

>>21910592
>That bottle of Brunello that's been sitting in your home for 2 years.
That one

>>21910604
never.

>>21909504
Rioja Blanco is nice.

>>21910740
The Cvne one is good

>>21910812
I had this a bunch. Not sure if I'm tired of it but it's just aight.

>>21910600
Noted. Thanks for the recco.

>>21875703
New here, is this the vinegar general?

>>21911380
It is 3 days after the first post ya

>>21911380
Yes we like Austrian wine here.