>>21915460
I just buy it. $1 for a liter or 2-liter, or BOGO on the 8-12 packs.

anything you can get a scuba tank adapter for

I just buy canned Seagram's club soda and add some apple juice and ice

>>21915460
What do those things even use to carbonize liquid is it a mechanical process or are they using like whip cream chargers from the headshop that all the whippot head darkies use..

>>21915498
Carbonate*

>>21915498
CO2 canisters

>>21915496
Boil it down into a syrup first

>>21915460
Not SodaStream. Literally an Israeli company whose main manufacturing facility is in the illegally occupied West Bank.

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>>21915498
It's a nozzle that it blasts into a bottle, you load the machine with CO2 canisters

>>21915529
Bb guns are a better use case

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>>21915460
Mini keg + co2 bottle and regulator. Super powered carbonation compared to the countertop things and it gives you bubbles on demand. You need some fridge space though. Or you can built it into a kegerator or cheap mini fridge.

>>21915460
>explodes and blasts plastic sharapnel into you

>>21915595
is there a guide you followed? i have a co2 bottle with a cap you can screw onto any normal bottle but it doesn't work that great. i think i'm doing something wrong. the carbonation is like nothing.

>>21915460
we have a sodastream but it's pretty shitty desu. The carbonated water is not intense enough. Also until they have a topo chico clone, I just don't see much value in it

>>21915700
Very cold water, 30-45 PSI, shaking makes it go faster, but it usually takes a day or two depending on how cold the water is. Kegs are better than your adapter.

>>21915498
Juicero tier cannisters. You still have to buy what you plan to carbonate so you're essentially trying to cut out the difference the gas makes in cost which is fucking nothing.

>>21915460
Are these CO2 machines really less expensive than buying cheap ass soda water in bulk?

>>21915875
Not when you actually sit down and crunch the numbers on it. The method that's actually cheaper is being halfway to a brewery in terms of having a carbonation setup >>21915595 but that doesn't come in a slick package and it's legitimately quite hard to find soda fountain bag-in-a-box or other soda syrups if you don't have food service connections or your own business.

>>21915875
I took the drinkmate as the example to compare against, their most economical CO2 canisters is https://idrinkproducts.com/products/master-carton-of-60l-co2-cylinders-18
yielding 1080 liters of carbonated water for 495 dollars
I assume walmart store brand is likely the cheapest carbonated water most people can buy and it comes in at .97 per liter
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Great-Value-Sodium-Free-Seltzer-Water-33-8-fl-oz/10448349

so if you want to drink over a thousands liters of carbonated water, including the device/containers, you come out slightly ahead buying one of these systems
but only barely

there may be an advantage to having 'freshly' carbonated water compared to a half used bottle though
also, if you are really dedicated to it you can get an adapter for a big gas cylinder instead of these little cartridges and find a place that will refill it locally for even cheaper
but you have to be drinking a fucking ton of carbonated water for any of this to really matter

>>21916267
The actual value in these things is probably just taking up less space and generating less garbage than pre-bottled or pre-canned soda

>>21916267
Thanks for doing the math, was thinking about buying a carbonation machine for a friend that likes sparkling water but I see it's not worth it.

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>>21915700
>guide
I will type one up for you and post it later today. Not sure when, kind of depends on how many fucking clients I have to deal with this afternoon.

Pic my my carb rig set up to dispense lemonchelo and carbonated bloody Mary's.
Lessons learned :
Carbed bloody Mary's are fucking great
Carbed lemoncelo is basically mustard gas
Co2 bottles stop working if ita fucking 15 below zero

>>21916245
Can confirm. Kind of. My large one probably cycles through 10 gallons a month on average. And has been humming for over 3 years. Still probably cost more than just buying store brand 2 liters of club soda ( and thats with a free keggerator).

BUT, the quality of those hundreds of gallons of sparkling water is much higher than cheap club soda. Its held under pressure so ite never flat, ans much more aggressively carbed than is possible in a plastic bottle. And has mineral content similar to higher end sparkling water products. So if you compare the cost of my deal to the cost of an unending supply of bottled topo Chico or s. Pallengrino its alot more favorable.

But ultimately this is autism to one degree or another

>>21915466
>>21915804
>You still have to buy what you plan to carbonate
??
Use tap water retard.

>>21915777
Just carbonate it more? It's not difficult.

>>21916583
It's not a very efficient carbonation valve, it'll "cap out" and start blowing water everywhere before it carbonates water to the same degree a nicer setup will

>>21916591
Then just pause for a few seconds and let it calm down.

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>>21915700

Guide:

Here are the basics for a larger on demand carbing rig. This Operation yields a more aggressively carbonated product than the table top units, and provides this beverage on demand so you can just have a pull any time you want until the tank is empty. My set up has a high pressure line for carbing and a stepped down low pressure co2 line for serving so I always have one under high pressure and one at service pressure so I can rotate. But none of that is nessesary. Again I stress this is all autism, nothing about it is terribly practical.


You need 4 basic things to start carbing like a boss.
> a keg
You want a Corny keg. The kind with 2 ball lock posts ( one for gas in, one for liquid out) and a pressure sealed door on the top you can open to add stuff to the keg or clean it. These are the kinds of kegs used by home brewers, or used in concession stands to dispense Coca-Cola. The standard size is 5 gallons but that takes a ton of space. If you look on Amazon ( search "mini keg" you will find then as small as 64 oz. I use the 1.6 gallon version which are a little bigger than a gallon milk jug. You do NOT want a sanke style keg for this.

> a regulator
You need the kind of co2 regulator used in a kegerator. These are 40-60 bucks on Amazon. Typically they have 2 gages. One for bottle pressure ( this is how you tell its running out of gas) and one for output pressure ( this is how you adjust how much pressure you put into the tank.

> a co2 bottle
You want a bulk co2 tank with a cga-320 valve. I use 5 lb and 2.5 lb bottles. But are available much larger. I only use the 2.5 lb for my mobile cooler set up for size reasons. The larger the tank the cheaper the fill gets.

> bonus items
You also need gas line, beverage line, connectors , and a faucet. You can go cheap and get a "picnic faucet" or build out something more like a kegerator has with a tower and taps.

what do you think it would taste like if I tried to gasify soda using the argon cylinder attached to my welding setup?

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>>21916741
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> fridge
This really needs to be kept cold. You can make this all in a kegerator, but they are unreasonably expensive. The smaller units ( like the 1.6 gal) can live in a fridge if you have lots of space. You could also build one made with smaller kegs like the 1.6 or 2.6 gal ones in a dorm style mini fridge.


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Process:

Its super easy. You just fill up the keg with water, add some minerals, and apply high pressure c02. 50 psi does wonders. In a small keg at 50 psi its ready in a day or 2. 5 gallon kegs take closer to week. And for either you can speed up the process by shaking. My 1.6 gallon system can be drained in a night, refilled, pressurized, shaken for 10 min and its drinkable. left overnight and its about perfect by morning.

> Minerals
Its just simple stuff you can get in the canning section of a grocery store or an online brewing store. And it could be as simple as a pinch of salt and some baking soda. If you sluth aroind online you can find recipes to clone your favorite sparkling water.

You can also experiment with other liquids. Bloody Mary's were great. Hard liquor is terrible. You can make Batched cocktails or homemade soda.

As far as practicality goes, I started doing this to supply a club soda style mixer yo be used in a kind of private clubhouse /bar kind of environment. Going through about 2 kegs a month in volume makes the numbers make more sense. I only started doing this in my home because I built the mobile keg cooler thing pictured previously as sort of an experiment /show peice. Since I was buying the mini kegs and other small form stuff anyway it was natural to stuff it all in my garage fridge as a bonus when im noy using the keg cooler ( which is like 360 days a year) but i have gotten used to having bubbles on tap. . . (Cont)

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>>21916748
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...Especially in the summer. Its refreshing and it makes a great summer cocktail. Also, when I seriously curtailed my drinking it made a nice alternative chill out drink. Big pint of sparkling water with some lemon is a nice sip. I have also experimented with a homemade coffee cola that is looking promising but it still needs some work.

> bonus tip

Kegerators are way to expensive , even used, but you can sometimes find broken ones on FB market place for cheap. Sometimes they will come with a co2 bottle and a regulator. I have bought broke kegerators for 50 bucks just for the co2 bottle, regulator, and taps. Its a cheap way to get those parts. Those kegerators are actually pretty robust units as well. It its broken usually the cause is a cheap control board you can buy for 25 bucks on ebay. But thats another story.

>>21915460
A 10lb co2 cannister, pressure regulator, and a 2 liter ball lock cap set with some tubing and an air diffuser.
Make sure your water is cold and shake it to disperse the co2 and add more.
Will cost you 140 and the tank can be refilled for 18 dollars once a year.