why am i surprised that every other character looks like that

>>152678938
i care not.

>>152678994
It must be the atmosphere.

>>152679008
>How-how-how dare you! Tremble before my might! The might that smites people’s blades!

>>152678938

>No Badass Babies

I thought they released this in alphabetic order

>>152679054
The playlist is still stuck at 15 videos. Perhaps that's all they'll be releasing.

>>152679054
We must be skipping them.

>>152679080
Dang!

>>152679114

It's Dracula

>>152678938

Creator lost his home last year due the fires btw

https://bsky.app/profile/awd.bsky.social/post/3mg3u3u6v7c2p

What the hell was that? The setting is so confusing and none of the gags make sense

>>152679215
It’s Dracula.

>>152679172
Dang!

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>>152678938
>dracula
>he's a whiney non-functioning autist
>his thrall is his live in caretaker/boyfriend
I haven't hated something this intensely in a long time. I almost enjoy it. The hating it I mean.

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>>152678938
>Dracula is an obnoxious, uncharismatic, cunty outcast who is incapable of doing anything
>His gay boyfriend servant is just kind of there
I don't think I've seen a cartoon pitch this bad before.

creator notably has primarily worked not as a storyboard artist (like most pilot creators) but as a background painter (Over the Garden Wall, Wander Over Yonder, Billy Dilley, DC Superhero Girls, The Day the Earth Blew Up) plus as Art Director on Tig n Seek

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>>152678938
Few background shot looked kinda nice but, yeah, I agree with >>152679357 and >>152679645

>>152679679
We can tell he's not experienced with writing

Worst one so far.

Yeah this one is no good. Maybe if Dracula was dumber or his assistant was smarter it could work. but...

There is a decent idea here, but it needs a hell of a lot of work.

Murder cage?

>>152678938

Congrats Afternoon Super, you're not longer the worst Cartoon Cartoons released

>>152678938
Wow this fucking sucks on every perceivable level, is this a tax fraud scheme?

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>>152678938
Probably the one I liked the least. Really not a fan of the stuttering improv style of voice work.

>>152678938
>sixth
Sixth? I know that one angel and demon was one but what of the others? Is that Harmony in Despair one of them?

>>152680490
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZlIsN9qHBckIRIvPpIW8kgihG5WMhiBH

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>>152678938
>https://youtu.be/th8hKC9Y4Rc
LMAO they made a cartoon about Elon Musk.

Why are they on some sort of futuristic space planet if it's Dracula? Why does Dracula need to exist within a sci-fi setting if the short barely does anything with that setting? I just don't get it.

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>>152678938
Dude makes Lemongrab look like a smooth operator by comparison..

>>152680490
*technically* this is the 4th, as Afternoon Super and Bird & Squirrel were older pilots (same batch as Trick Moon) that they slapped the name on after finally releasing them

>>152678938
Interestingly bad. It's kinda like Lord Hater and Commander Peepers from Wander Over Yonder except nothing works.

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>>152680635
>LMAO they made a cartoon about Elon Musk.
"Girls FTW!"

>>152679172
write what you know i guess

also i should make cartoons if this can get any kind of support

>>152678938
closed it as soon as i saw the beanmouth background characters

>>152678938
Neat!

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that was just...awful.

>>152679215
Actually, I think the “Dra-cool-a” cape thing comes from the Romanian pronunciation of Dracula.

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I will admit this gag got a laugh out of me, and I liked the random burst of Armenian lyrics in the middle of the song. Not much else did it for me though.

>>152678938
This is just straight up What We Do in the Shadows but if it was a terrible beanmouth cartoon. At least Nandor and Guillermo are funny. This was just boring.

>>152682244
Dang!

this thing, it was starting a little exiting and for a cartoon with that artstyle "cool"....
But then Felt the humor goes nowhere and is just directionless.

Didn't like it at all.

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>still have to wait until june to watch the octopus loli cartoon

I keep forgetting the widow's peak is supposed to be a Dracula/vampire thing and not a Vegeta thing

>>152683871
>octopus loli cartoon
Which one is that? Did any of these shorts get greenlit into a show?

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>>152683904
Sleeping Giants, someone leaked it here last year, but I didn't save it
either way the short is just sci fi stuff mixed with the ocean I'm pretty sure

>>152683871
>>152683934
when will calarts die? serious question. is this old as shit or something?

>>152683934
>Sleeping Giants
That looks kind of cute and deep sea is a cool theme. Is that going to be an actual show or is it only a short?

>>152678938

I... what? Was this an improv script or something?

And is that a Dark Crystal reference at the start of it? The music and the mountain feel like the opening of that film.

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>>152683982
Just a short. You can see the protag here on this poster for a screening these shorts had like last year sometime.

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>>152683934
I remember doodling some art for her. Can't wait for her pilot.

Fun fact: this short was partially based on a D&D campaign the creator wrote as part of a competition some years ago entitled "Fuck! It's Dracula".
https://forkfrenzy.itch.io/fuck-its-dracula

>>152683979
My guess is that this is the style a lot of people in the industry have, because is also cheaper to animate and require less effort.

>>152679357
>>152679645
Its like a weird fetish.

>>152683934
Oh that’s what that was. Got a friend to do a doodle of her sometime last year

>>152679702
the backgrouns are the only thing I liked

>>152684162
Checks out. Creator is a background artist first and foremost as >>152679679 pointed out.

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not gonna lie, this was boring as shit but it had good animation. hope the guy gets to work on stuff in the future.

>>152684004
Oh so it is part of the planned shorts line up. Cool. The girl is cute and I hope some kind of show can come from these shorts.

>>152684064
That's real cute there anon.

>>152680123
>Really not a fan of the stuttering improv style of voice work.
Same. Dracula seems directly inspired by Lemongrab, it might work if it were just him.

>>152684068
Interesting.

>>152684346
It has cool backgrounds.

>>152680001
whoa whoa whoa lets not go that far

I don't get what the appeal of this thing is or who it is for. Did the creators just make shit on the go?

>>152679080
Was there a full list given? I think they’re skipping most of the 2 minute ones and just showing the 7 minute ones.

>>152684613
It seems like CN lost some institutional knowledge although production techniques improved. Or maybe after a few huge successes due to creator freedom, were very hands off in development. Like most of these are not bad concepts or designs and they look beautiful, but the content wasn’t really pushed beyond that initial idea.

>>152679231
underrated

>>152678938
Is "Dang! It's Dracula!" an S&P friendly version of the RPG "Fuck! It's Dracula!"

>>152678938
I only liked the joke of after the long song the cape ended up looking shitty.

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>Whiny bitch Dracula
>Beanest of bean-mouth characters.
>Shitty Improv.
>Bad quirky song that eats up the run time.
>Just stops.
Most tumblr-ass tumblr.

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someone who worked on the pilot made... whatever this is

>>152684980
https://www.instagram.com/p/DI93coFzjUw/

>>152678938
I wasn't expecting much from this pitch, but in the end it left me feeling indifferent about it in some ways. I didn't mind that song number too much, but it was just kinda random and lacking. I can never get into this style of character designs, but at least Drac's design is fine and its art style isn't as fugly and phoned in as Afternoon Super. That one fat dude with the mustache reminds me way too much of an adult Clarence, though.

>>152679702
I do agree with some of the backgrounds looking nice.

>>152679679
Checks out, the backgrounds are the only good part. Just working in animation isn't enough to make a good pitch.

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>>152678938
Couldn't even make it past the 2 minute mark.

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>>152685106
Earlier, I mentioned that one character from this pilot reminds me of Clarence. I just realized this character kinda reminds me of Norma from Dead End Paranormal Park. Probably nothing more than coincidences.

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>>152679645
"Cunty" doesn't mean that anymore, unc.

Anybody get the significance of starting on a still shot of a bell? Cus I sure don't.

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>>152678938
Not my Count.

>>152685728
the deep lore

>>152685707
Shut up faggotron

>>152678938
A fine design for Drac, but at the same time this pilot's art style kinda hurts it.

>>152685753
A much more interesting design for Drac. Has way more personality put into it.
>Modern animatorbros…

>>152678938
That's whacked!

for archival purposes
>>152272682 A For Angel
>>152362433 Accordions Geoffrey & Mary Melodica
>>152437022 Afternoon Super
>>152518036 Bird & Squirrel
>>152599260 Buttons’ Gamezone
>>152678938 Dang! It’s Dracula

>>152678938
Bump for interest.

>>152678938
I don't like anything about this. Hate the designs (tho Drac himself is ok), the voice acting, the humour, just everything man. It actually annoys me that this got far enough to get a fully animated pilot, I know there's got to be better ideas out there surely.

>>152679702
credit where credit is due, that does look cool

>>152678938
All they had to do was make his familiar a Little Suzy-esque girl who just wants Dracula to fit in. Not a daughter figure, not a love interest, just a doting mother/sister type who's genuinely worried he'll grow up weird if he doesn't get some friends. Have her intricate plans get foiled each time by Dracula's terminal autism. Not aggressively spergy, but painfully awkward.
The show would practically write itself.

It's so bad it loops around to good

>>152678938
What was the point of this?

>>152678938
Did he say "badass"? Wow, with Regular Show's "pissed off" and Adventure Times "Sexy hot" the overton window of bad language in children's cartoons has really widened.

>>152679645
There's humor to be found in it, but the pilot just feels devoid of conflict or interesting takes. Like, it's fine to take a classical horror figure and make him all whiny etc but there's nothing really more there.

Also, is this set in the future or something? The whole village's aesthetics came across as very odd but it never came into play.

>>152680689
Yeah I noticed that too. Like, with a setup like that you'd think it'd be something more about "old vs new" and how Dracula tries to remain relevant in the future when there's even scarier modern monsters out there or something.

>>152684783
Institutional knowledge isn't talked about enough regarding the downgrade in story telling these days.

When you observe the golden age of Cartoon Network, the creators from there worked their way up and learned as they went along, working on one another's shows and developing their own from that experience.

Now it seems like it's fresh graduates who certainly did learn things in university but lack the experience of doing things in practice.

Worst part is just how they can't make an entertaining story. You'd think they'd research previous successes and see how they came up with hooks and setups and apply that to their own original concepts.

>>152685707
Why would you get pickles at a KFC?

>>152687078
Thanks. I missed the other threads. Besides A For Angel it seems like most of these have fallen kind of flat.

>>152689224
Button's Gamezone was pretty good. It's had the best cartoon designs of the bunch. Dana Snyder's voice work helps a lot too.

>>152679679
>>152678938
The background art is great and the animation is decent.

But the writing and coherence are weak, the character design feels like a mix taken from different shows (Over the Garden Wall, Adventure Time, Steven Universe...) >>152680880 >>152682665 which at first seems strange and they don't feel part of the environment; in addition, I don't see the world setting as fully defined, nor the tone they want to carry out with the show.

>>152678938
This version of Dracula needs to be put in a blender. Or get dunked into a toilet. Golly, it's like scratching a knife on a chalkboard.

>>152678938
this was kinda mid desu

>>152687078
Were any of these actually decent?

>>152685676

Ironic to say this beacuse Elon went on schizo mode on this show and his tantrum lead to a new show from the creator getting passed at Netflix

>>152678938
Whats up with the weird bell at the start?

>>152691510
Boohoo

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>>152685753
the best count with a cute girl that plays with him

>>152688366
I think we screw people in both their education and the professional world. There is a culture of competition instead of mentorship, there is a culture of conditional support based on performing effort, so knowledge is gatekept under the assumption you’d find it yourself somehow if you were serious, but also paradoxically there is a tendency to be protective of artists’ intentions instead of critiquing technical flaws to improve the product.

These creators typically still have industry experience, and if you look at some of the most successful creators, a lot of them come from not only the same schools but the same classroom professors, and used those relationships to enter the working world. On the other hand, the workplace and jobs themselves have changed a lot. Something as simple as being in the same building and having the opportunity to learn from other departments isn’t part of everyone’s career and future expectations about roles are constantly in flux. So it’s more complicated than just giving them a better work history or better education, but I don’t think the neglect has happened on purpose. It’s been a slow erosion due to competing demands.

>>152688366
you raise a reasonable point but also a vast bulk of these pilots have been from people who were around for a while in the industry anyways

One thing that is true is that a lot of times creators have been skipping a middle step of serving as a director on someone else's show, often going straight from storyboards to showrunner.

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It's been done and so much better too.

>>152692231
UK: 1
US: 0

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>>152685753
>>152691781

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>>152691510

>his tantrum lead to a new show from the creator getting passed at Netflix

Source?

>>152694169

>Netflix recently passed on a show I'd been developing with them for a while (thanks Elon x), so maybe I should try pitching it to hbo max? Oh wait! Last we heard they loved the latest script which answered all their notes and I was told to clear my calendar. Then Elon called me a groomer and radio silence from them for a month. Then news through my agent that they'd decided to move in a different direction. After 3 years of development.

https://bsky.app/profile/hamishsteele.bsky.social/post/3m7allkbi322m

>>152694190
Based lmao

>>152678938
What's the premise of this show?
Like seriously i don't get it

>>152694190
I know cartoons take a long time to make but 3 years of development is ridiculous. He probably should've taken a hint already.

/co/ is propably the only board that wouldn't call this level of stuff dog shit on 4chan

>>152688562
Chicken sandwiches

>>152694399
You're not supposed to dissect cartoons on unrelated boards

>>152679357
>read this post before watching
can't be that bad
>watches it
it is that bad.

SCRAPE
AND
LICK

>>152679679
That explains why the backgrounds were the only good part.

>>152695189
NAW SEE THAT’S A MILF

>>152694420
Ah, okay.

What a bizarre short, can't say I liked it. With a title like that I thought it was going to be much funnier
>That was Armenian
What the actual fuck, did not expect to hear my mother tongue in this of all things

>>152691488
Buttons’ Gamezone was pretty good compared to the others

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>>152678938
I didn't know it was a pitch for a show. So i thought it was just some random short cartoon from youtube studio.
If they think to make it into a show - it's TERRIBLE

1) millenial writing at its worst
2) whimsical cute and gay
3) the whole point is that main character is absulutely lame and whiny and just bad. The design is awful and bad too - i dont want an action figure of that.
I never liked when the whole point of a character is "it's mean and lame".
Villagers look like Clarence townsmen rejects.

Background art was AWESOME - it's truly majestic.
PS:
funny that i'm just reading this Dracula manga from Osamu Tezuka and it's one of the best dracula representations

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>>152685753
I wonder if the creator of this was inspired by Osamu Tezuka's Dracula manga.
it's literally that but good and more slice of life + detective

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>>152678938
So this was like that one episode of Ed Edd and Eddy where the Eds try and chase a clothing fad but their always a trend behind the rest of the
cul-de-sac?

>>152684821
They got him to say badass so S&P can't be too strict for these shorts.

>>152697645
>Armenian
What did he say, like non basically?

>>152698128
He said what it was in the song.

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>>152678938
I've been thinking about how bad this is for days and how it could be fixed.

Ultimately, the story needs a straight man to bounce off of. Ideally, the best move would be to make the assistant be fully aware of how much of a bitch Dracula is and see him as something he has to humor for whatever reason.

Alternatively, have Dracula be... Well, Dracula. Make him a big unstoppable evil who is baffled by the world around him and has to resort to silly gags like >>152682665 to get anything done. Don't make him a bitch who is constantly complaining about it, but instead someone who willing does things like put on sock puppet shows because it's the only way to get people to understand his plan. In the original story, Dracula is only mimicking human behavior and is really more of a predatory beast who is trying to blend in. Go all in on him trying to blend in with a world of the dumb and weird.

The final and least effective option would be to shift the point of view to that of the villagers and have them reacting to this great evil who they see as mostly harmless. Tone down the whole "you city is burning" and have it be more of an annoyance that they aren't taking seriously, but pretend to just so he never escalates.

>>152691488
A For Angel was cute and probably had the most potential as a full show. I preferred the premise of the original webcomic, but the school setting still worked.
Accordions was filler. Would never work as a full show, but it was perfect for bumpers or the middle spot for an anthology cartoon that you don't really get anymore.
Afternoon Super had some moments which made me smile, but feels a bit overdone at this stage in concept and was the least appealing to look at.
Bird & Squirrel was just kind of a comfy woodland critter show that is nice to look at but left little to keep you hooked long term.
Button's Gamezone was fun, the one not afraid to just be a cartoon, though the gross-out art style would be very polarizing and I don't know if they would have had enough material for a full series.

>>152698535
All good suggestions. Drac's dynamic with his familiar as well as the townsfolk could've both been handled in more entertaining ways. Levon Jihanian should stick to art direction and background design

>>152694190

KEK

>>152699921
not that funny

>>152694190
LOL!

>This is, in fact, a healthy dynamic for two grown-ups. Don't read into it.
the fact that the main charcters are just Lemongrab and a somehow faggier Smithers just baffles me. who thought it was a good idea to make 2 shitty side characters into the protags?

>>152694190
damn thats crazy