>>77190222
fasting + fiber supplements pushed by anorexic korean goth girls on tiktok.

>>77190222
Vegan carnivore

>>77190228
I would eat vegans.

>>77190222
It's going to be an influx of seafood or fish while claiming heavy metals don't present an issue whatsoever

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beans. just beans.

Why is CICO so hard for normalfags to accept?

>>77190222
"Omnivore" or some form of gluten/fiber craze again
>>77190490
CICO is the most midwit normalfag shit ever you jew. It's pseudoscientific

>>77190500
>It's pseudoscientific
Wasted digits. Please explain, in detail, how thermodynamics is pseudoscientific.

>>77190259
Klok. I dont know what the fuck has gotten into normies lately but they are all eating grains nonstop. I dont know if its economic panic or something but they wont shut the fuck up about fucking grains. Lentils, beans, peas, chickpeas, etc. They eat absolutely nothing else. Also, its hilarious how fucking hard they shill grains having protein and how good they are to lose weight but they are all fat and weak as shit and they wont even look in the general direction of skyr, greek yougurt or whatever unflavoured cheap as dirt dairy as a protein source. More gains for me i guess. Im blessed by the normie ignorance that keeps unflavored dairy and regular frozen chicken cheap. Hell, even pasta with olive oil, oregano and powdered dried onion is like a fucking cheat code at the gym, but no, they insist on adding weird ass high calories sauces to literally anything and eating weird ass chemically altered carb sources and shitty incomplete proteins.

>>77190504
Your premise is disingenuous because CICO assumes your body is a closed system calorimeter with a one way energy out-in portal, when in reality you have multiple factors including hormons, the nature of the food, satiation etc
It also breaks the zeroth law because it assumes the body is in a constant state of equilibrium with a third entity which isnt addressed at all by cico
Calories from carbohydrates spike insulin, calories from proteins have a thermogenic effect
Also you cant measure BMR in any way possible or even estimate it past outdated approximative formulas that use body weight as the principal factor
All in all, you're just making up shit and numbers

>>77190222
Consuming excessive protein like a retard, we’re already seeing it. I don’t see it stopping because protein is the only untainted macro in terms of reputation

>>77190542
Post body

>>77190552
I accept your concession

>>77190542
>Your premise is disingenuous
>one way energy out-in portal
You have no understanding of thermodynamics. This is not something a google search or AI chatbot can rectify for you unfortunately.

>>77190565
If you keep screeching "wrong, wrong WRONG !!" At some point it will become indeed wrong. I believe in you buddy.

>>77190578
Fine how about you explain to me what a "one way energy out-in portal" is in the context of themodynamics?

the starvation diet

>>77190590
The burden of proof is now your end. I will not continue entertaining your idiocracy until you lay down your own arguments.

>>77190598
>E_in = E_out + E_stored
Short of magic, it cannot be any other way. Your body can only be LESS efficient than a bomb calorimeter, never more; it cannot draw energy from the luminiferous aether.

>>77190611
So your body is less efficient at preserving, absorbing and expending energy than a closed system calorimeter due to factors like hormons, insuline spikes, the nature of the food, muscle and body composition etc thus it's a black box and any form of calculation or estimation is futile.
Glad we agree.

>>77190542
So... explain how simply eating less calories does not lead to weight loss over time. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>77190618
>it's a black box and any form of calculation or estimation is futile.
Again, your ignorance is astounding. Boundary conditions are not a "black box."
>So your body is less efficient at preserving, absorbing and expending energy
Yes, that's the fucking point.

>>77190621
Because calories dont exist. Calories are photons. Eating more or less doesnt guarantee weight fluctuation because different foods are...different in how your body deals with them.
Go on now and explain to me how 100g of lactose and 100g of pea protein (cico says they both have exactly the same amount of calories) are both used the same way by your body. I'll wait

>>77190624
>Boundary conditions are not a "black box."
Glad we agree that CICO breaks the laws of physic by pretending that boundary conditions you cannot be measured dont matter
I'm happy we came to the conclusion that im correct. I forgive you for the insults, your mind is confused and unwell, you'll digest (no pun intended) the truth soon enough.

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>>77190628
>Because calories dont exist. Calories are photons.

>>77190629
>boundary conditions you cannot be measured dont matter
jesus christ. boundary conditions are not measured; they're imposed.

>>77190628
Post body, you sound fat as shit.

>>77190679
I am and no I will not post my body here.

>>77190702
>is fat as fuck
>rages against CICO because it is the law and it is unforgiving and it cannot be cheated or manipulated
>anon can’t into discipline or healthy habits
>completely disregards all the people who are in shape who swear by CICO
it’s remarkable, you’re almost like a tranny with your delusions rather than acknowledging your own personal failures.

Our body doesn’t burn food, that’s true. But energy in food we eat is is potential energy in the form of chemic bonds, so burning it gives an approximation based on heat released upon combustion. Where do you think body heat comes from, buddy?

>>77190679
>>77190702
>>77190716
Why are you talking to yourself ? Are you mentally well ? Serious question.

>>77190222
first it was fat = bad
then it was carbs = bad
next should be protein = bad

>muh hormones
>muh insulin
none of that changes the fact that if you eat less then you burn you lose weight. holy autism. like arguing that cico doesn’t work because nutritional labels can have 20% margin of error

>>77190222
Trips checked.

The cheapest food possible, which will be all people can afford.

>>77190222
now that you mention it, I dont think any new fad diet has caught on since ozempic became popular

>>77190222
Kico. Go on prepucious deficit anon *wink*

>>77190222
eating almost exclusively beans

>>77191143
Grim

>>77190259
>>77191143
it's literally this. three cups of beans a day. all over tiktok. fiber is the new protein

>>77190224
>fasting + fiber supplements
Already a trend diet in the late 2010s.

I'm predicting we're going back to low fat due to the Y2K revival, people will wonder how people got so skinny back then and imitate them.

>>77190490
Because it doesn't work and has consistently be show to not work for the last 5 decades or so.

>>77191156
Weird how it's worked every single time then

>>77190222
anon tirz/reta literally destroys fad diets. we will replace fad diets with fad medications

the biggest difference is that the medications work and no one will feel like shit anymore because no one is eating inflammatory food or shit theyre sensitive to, and if they do it'll be far less of it

>>77190716
>>77190729
get scammed wasnt even me lmao
love leading losers like you that take 4chan serious on a nice little troll trip
keep being mad about literally nothing lmao

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>>77190729
>Why are you talking to yourself ? Are you mentally well ? Serious question.
LMAO fucking weirdo bro

>>77191276
Do you have any actual original thoughts to share?

>>77190222
>rapid weight loss
NOOOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO WASTE YOUR LIFE DOING 500KCAL DEFICIT AND METICULOUSLY COUNTING CALORIES

>>77190506
>Klok
Stopped reading there.

The anti CICO troll is next level, just dabbing on brainlets. Few can keep up.

>>77191334
do you have any non meme answers stirring shit up for the sake of it?

durr hurr someone said this already you ever think that maybe the reason why is because it's not actually bullshit? fuck you faggot

>>77192886
So no then. Got it.

>>77192888
what exactly would you expect anyone to say, anon? was there something you were hoping someone would say? if so, why not just say it yourself

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>>77192894
Sorry I didn't read your post. I'm sorry that you're so upset. This discussion is over. I'm going to hide your post in replies now.

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>>77190628
>Because calories dont exist. Calories are photons.

Exquisite bait

Why do people still do fad diets when the 'pig exists? There's literally miracle weight loss drugs and people still do this granny's advice shit lmao.
And ofc cico works but most people are not built to be able to quit drugs through willpower.

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>>77193236
>Its bait
>better reply

>>77193260
Do you have anything original to say

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>>77191150
>three cups of beans a day. all over tiktok.

>calories in calories out
>but what if my shit contains undigested calories and is therefore calories out

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>>77190628
>Calories are photons.

>>77190628
100g of x and 100g of y don't need to be used in the same way to have the same energy expenditure, that's a moronic claim

>>77190222
I can tell you the next 3, in fact.
unless I get IP banned after the first post

1 fill fit the chinese, the indians, the folk larpers, the /x/erd, the lookmaxxers, naturists, and science-ers, the "there has to be more" people. And it will consist of "traditional shamanmaxxing".
Fights upon fights about spice combinations and amounts, drug combos, how important are special smelly fruits for your penis, whether or not using modern medicine kills you over a turd and weed concoction skin ointment will mix the witch larping and kundalini meditation and whatnot, to make some fun times

2- peasant/slave maxxing in response to slop claimers, emperor warrior larpers and high end stoics, but still against modern food and life. the gladiator, noble peasant warrior and hired arms will be a peak example of it. You'll hear all about they took over the world, won over the mongols, how the pyramids and great civilizations were build on it so it makes you strong and durable. It's still science based and environmentally conscious and whatever by default. You'll eat your roasted and boiled gruels with ingredient mixes that are region locked "for a reason". so no corn and curry ever, oats go with the herbs of the zones they were used, Himalayan salt my anus. everything whole, preserves, fermentation, wild game, no chicken or sugar and all that rich people food. lobsters are a superfood. no artificial, processes, and heavy hygiene.

>>77193702
yes, a calorie is a unit of energy
it's true in a literal sense

>the caloric content of food is measured by burning that food in pure oxygen and measuring the heat output
>this makes sense because that is how food is digested in our bodies and there are no other processes involved
>a lactose intolerant person will gain the same number of calories from consuming a pound of lactose as a lactose tolerant person because digestion just works like that
>CICO is absolute.

>>77190222
Fungivore.

>>77194084
true
carbon chained atoms are carbon chained atoms
wether its fat or carbs
if you ingest it, it get digested

>>77190542
The digestive system is literally an open system.
>Closed system with onenway energy out-in portal
A closed system has no way out for the energy, literally by definition your slop is wrong.
>Third entity
What entity?

>>77194142
you are talking to a buzzword spamming midwit.
>only a fool argues with an idiot.

>>77194129
>if you ingest it, it get digested
It really doesn't.

>>77193682
What

>>77194086
MUSHROOMMAXXING

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3d printed meat, topped with herb cubes, accompanied by compressed veggies.

They'll call it cubism.

>>77194243
fatty detected lmao

>>77194535
Post body.

>>77194086
>>77194382
actually can see this happening. it wouldn't be a mushroom-exclusive diet but people will start going gaga about the healing power of various mushrooms, there will be shroom stacks, shroom multi pills, etc.

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>>77190542
I honestly agree with this because
>people who smoke meth are skinny
>people on SSRI's often get fat
>both are probably eating the same amount of slop
It's why SSRI medication indicates that you can experience rapid amounts of weight gain, something weird is probably going on there with temperature regulation

>>77195415
nah bruh im not gay
sorry for you tho

>>77195521
hormones and energy aka calories from carbs and fats both count

>>77195440
>there will be shroom stacks, shroom multi pills, etc.
That's already basically what's happening in the supplement space right now.

>>77195521
SSRI medications increase appetite. Meth decreases appetite. It's that simple.

>>77195927
that is one part
ssri increases serotonin which is a known metabolic downgrader
meth increaes adrenalin which is a known metabolic enhancer, its even needed to oxidize fat

>>77196039
It's the majority of the factor.

>>77195925
i don't see that happening with shrooms. i see a couple shroom supplements gaining traction though

>>77196054
Yeah, that's literally what I just said.

>>77196107
no, you said there will be shroom stacks, shroom multi pills, etc. you need to do a better job articulating what you mean. do better.

>>77196644
No, that's not what I said. You're referring to my statement in the past tense. I said, that's what's happening.

>>77196644
>>77196710
Future* tense sorry

>>77196710
>I said, that's what's happening.
>>77196054
i don't see that happening with shrooms.
>>77196107
Yeah, that's literally what I just said.

>>77194142
>A closed system has no way out for the energy
Closed systems exchange heat but not matter, according to CICO we shouldnt be able to poop at all but that would be admitting thay some things absorb better than others.
Cicotrannies yet again failing basic physics

>>77196826
Are you somehow implying that these are all the same person or something?

>>77196935
no kek, forget it.

>>77195541
Fatty detected.

Given that ozempic is a thing now it wont be a weight loss diet like they usually are.

I expect it will likely be some rebranding of carnivore/keto for PROTEIN MAXXING!

>>77197224
Why would keto or carnivore do that when they're already centered around that, as it is right now it will probably be some meme veganism to convince people that "protein combining" is real and that eating like a mexican (legumes + rice) makes you swole

>>77194395
How did it go?

>>77197084
Ok

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>>77197241

>>77197805
>present perfect
>it's about past events

>>77197925
And?

>>77197239
keto and carnivore is mainly concerned with eating fat

>>77190490
Because it requires accepting you're a fat fuck that need to eat less and then actually eat less (both things are hard and uncomfortable)

>>77190743
>next should be protein = bad
have you seen any advertising at all in the last 4 months? doritos is pushing some chipshit as being a source of protein. not just that but it's being pushed everywhere as a quick source of energy.

>>77190224
Fasting has been around for thousands of years, can't really call it a fad.

>>77191175
Literally EVERY large scale dietary study shows it doesnt, but yeah, please show me the twinky faggot and his retarded experiment that has never been replicated over a long enough period of time for it to fucking matter. On top of that CICO just straight up ignores the majority of the mechanics of your metabolism.

>>77198323
Please show me a large-scale dietary study in which somebody consumed verifiably less calories than they expended and gained weight. This would undeniably prove that CICO is false. But it's not, and you can't.

>>77198318
sex has been around even longer yet you have none

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>>77190628
CALORIES ARE PHOTONS!!!!!

>>77191156
>>77190500
Ketolards samefag post

>>77190259
DIS NIGGA THINKIN' ABOUT BEANS

>>77190628
lmfao

>>77198323
That's not how thermodynamics works. Calories are just energy, your body burns a certain number of calories per day based on your activities. If you burn more than you eat, you WILL start burning your fat because you HAVE TO.

>>77190222
I don't know about the next general fad diet but the next /fit/ fad diet will definitely be twink cum

>>77190490
Because cico isn't a diet, it's just a rule all diets adhere to. When people say cico as a diet what they're actually just saying is "balanced diet, but less." As for why it's hard to accept, it's because it's the one that actually works, but involves hard work.

>>77190618
It doesn't have to be 100% accurate down to the number. If yesterday you ate 1lb of chicken and 1 cup of rice, today you eat 14oz chicken and 0.875 cups of rice. You then continue eating 14oz and 0.875 cups until your weight stops going down. Once it stops going down you lower the amount you eat again to 12oz and 0.75 cups. You continue lowering what you eat and waiting for your weight loss to plateau until you hit a weight you like, then you continue eating at that level forever. How is that hard?

>>77205596
>Simpleton thinks the difficulty of measuring is only about the weight (which is gonna be mostly water anyways)

>>77203028
Playing devil's advocate, there are certain rare and serious conditions (to which 0% of Anons here quality) in which your body will not burn fat despite a caloric deficit, and you might unironically die due to lack of energy in your cells while still holding on to quite a bit of fat mass.
But again, those are rare medical conditions much beyond simply being an obese motherfucker like all the fat anons here.

>>77190542
>Also you cant measure BMR in any way possible or even estimate it past outdated approximative formulas that use body weight as the principal factor
True, which is why trial and error is important along with regular weight check-ins to make sure youre progressing in the required direction

>you have multiple factors including hormons, the nature of the food, satiation etc
>Calories from carbohydrates spike insulin, calories from proteins have a thermogenic effect
...which all affects your BMR, which again is why you trial and error, check and adjust. But please, explain to the rest of us how a person's body gains additional mass out of thin air without additional caloric intake

>>77205617
oh yeah I agree, but I'm talking more about just your average person who is maybe 50 lbs overweight but 'just can't lose weight because their body doesn't want to'

>>77205617
Your example is irrelevant. If you intake no energy and you have no glycogen stores, even if you have one of these rare conditions, your body is going to burn something. In this case, it will be muscle. Calories are a unit of energy, not a unit of disassembled triglyceride in the blood. Fat is not the only source of energy.

>>77205824
When people say CICO doesn't work they're not talking about thermodynamics. They're talking about how that strategy sucks when someone is trying to lose weight.
It's like telling an alcoholic to just "put down the bottle lol" Technically correct, but you're retarded for saying it

>>77205950
Nothing you just said is relevant to my point.

>reduce my caloric intake
>my caloric expenditure reduces as well, as a result, but by less than my intake reduced
>This means CICO doesn't work for some reason

>some people are more or less efficient at extracting caloric value from certain foods than others
>this means that for the same food consumed, they will have different caloric intakes
>this means caloric intake is completely useless and literally cannot be calculated
>the inability to calculate it somehow means it isn't real
>this means CICO doesn't work for some reason

>eat in a deficit
>weight doesn’t drop for 4 days
>body clearly storing fat out of spite
>water weight, glycogen, digestion timelines? never heard of them
>fat loss must occur in real time or not at all
>this means CICO doesn’t work for some reason

>read “zeroth law of thermodynamics” once
>understand nothing
>apply it to dieting anyway
>“body must be in equilibrium with a third entity”
>third entity not located, possibly ghosts
>laws of physics annulled pending seance
>this means CICO doesn’t work for some reason

>>77205980
>>77205984
>>77205990
>>77205992
Calm down. You're arguing with trolls.

>troll feeding exceeding maintenance
>(you)'s at a deficit
>net zero persuasion
>but comedic intake exceeds expectations
>running a creative writing surplus
>this means CICO doesn’t work for some reason

>>77206038
>>77206019

>>77190628
>Calories are photons
well no, calories are a unit of energy (broadly) and photons are quanta of energy in the electromagnetic field. That's like saying "kilograms are steel."
>Go on now and explain to me how 100g of lactose and 100g of pea protein (cico says they both have exactly the same amount of calories) are both used the same way by your body
they aren't, and nobody is claiming they are. Protein and carbohydrates are digested differently, by different enzymes and different metabolic pathways. They still provide energy (that we measure in Calories, which are equal to 1000 calories) by way of the cleavage of chemical bonds, which is converted into ATP and other energy carrying molecules in the body.
Anyway, you should probably try posting again in 4 or so years once you graduate high school, it's pretty embarrassing to not know grade-school level health and bio.

>>77190240
This.
>>77190490
People still believe in magic. They think that by restricting "evil" substances and eating more "good" substances they will somehow lose weight. It's on the same level of rationality as a cargo cult.
On top of that, it implies that they are only fat because they were missing some secret esoteric knowledge instead of their own failure of charcter.

>Inb4 but not all foods are equal
True, eating a variety of meats, veggies and carbs is healthier than only eating chocolate, but that is because your body needs certain amounts of macro and micro nutrients for bodily processes, and too much of certain nutrients and a lack of others causes problems. I'm referring to people who think their cake is now healthier because it has coconut suger instead of normal sugar, or cutting out entire macronutrients like carbs.

>>77190490
No one is rejecting it. It's just not a smart or relevant thing to say when dieting comes up. Its like saying you need air to live, no shit. But between the CI and CO part there's a lot of shit that decides where the calories you burn come from, how quickly they're replaced, and how satieted you feel after eating. And every time someone wants to discuss that part. CICO-cultists come.out of the woodwork to spout their retarded drivel. Funny thing is, I've never seen someone that so wholeheartedly argues that cico is all you need, who has EVER struggled with weight. So to them all the mountains of evidence regarding insulin resistance and diets that combat it, is all just meme-tier bullshit to them, despite keto curing hundreds of thousands of fatties of their diabetes & correcting their metabolism so they can get back to a place where CICO works for their bodies like other people.
>>77205594
>just a rule all diets adhere
Except not all do, and there are diets that factually cause you to consistently & preferentially burn more fat, just by what you eat, and when done right that diet has zero nutritional deficiencies. Oh. And it's the cure for T2 diabetes...

>>77190490
No one is rejecting CICO, they're just pointing out that there is a lot of stuff going on between CI and CO, that determines where the calories come from, how quickly they're put back, and how long you remain satiated. The body doesn't process calories like basic arithmetic, it's chemistry, that's constantly in flux between 3 main energy substrates. There are diets that can manipulate this process and by design fascilitate quicker FAT loss. This is what CICO-cultists refuse to accept. Yes CICO is true, it's also the most superficial & superfluous conclusion you could draw & repeat.
>>77205950
>It's like telling an alcoholic to just "put down the bottle lol" Technically correct, but you're retarded for saying it
This.

The fad diet I'm doing currently is veganism.