>>77198552
Cease posting retard.
I'm certain you didn't read the full study.
Not only that but you should kys.

>eat le heckin meat/plant
>dont eat le heckin meat/plant
>sleep
>dont sleep
>drink water
>dont drink water
>Do 1rms every day
>Dont lift at all
>Muh ignore everything and be le centrist cuck lukewarm "moderate" spineless midwit like me !
>Have you seen muh new paporz we asked 4000 indians how many times they shit a day and two years later we found the group that shits 4 times a day had a longer lifespan
You know what im gonna do ? Listen to my body.
Fuck you fuck modern day academia we should override everything that's adjacent to exercise science and dieticians and the like

>>77198557
Sleeping eight hours increases your death by 12%

It's not me who said it, it's science

>>77198565
>>77198552
Correlation doesn't nean causation. Alm those studies point out that it's unhealthy people who can't gey enough sleep and sleep more than a healthy person needs. If you need to sleep more than 8 hours, you will have an oncreased all cause mortality even if you try sleep less. Sleeping less might even increase it wven more.
You should sleep as much as you want. And if your body required that much sleep, you should check your health. Something could be seriously wrong.

>>77198585
Are you a doctor? Did you publish a paper on a medical journal? No? Shut up.

>>77198552
Studying is here btw: https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/206050
>conducted in 1982
Red flag. Old studies should always be scrutinized and asked why they have not had their results repeated.
>"Currently, we do not know why sleep exceeding 7.5 hours was associated with excess mortality. Sleep duration in itself may not be a causal factor. Our group has suggested that sleep apnea might be a crucial underlying abnormality"
This makes the most sense. Sleep apnea is also correlated with obesity. Generally if people are sleeping more than 8 hours per night there is a reason.

>>77198563
>he is so uneducated he cannot properly decipher good evidence from clickbait headlines.
Skill issue.

>>77198601
Post body

>>77198593
I have masters in math, speciafically in statistics and insurance. I know how to read data better than any doctor.
That paper loes that other factors were equal. They didn't compare apples to apples.

>>77198593
>Did you publish a paper on a medical journal?
NTA but my answer is YES.
Anon is correct. Correlation does not mean causation. What IS proven is that SLEEP DEPRIVATION (as in: sleeping less than your body needs, regardless of hours) has a proven causal relationship with earlier death and several comorbidities.
Adult people who sleep 10-11 hours a night almost always have an underlying condition (depression being one of many possibilities), and it's the underlying condition that kills them early.

And no, I will not doxx myself posting any of my papers or collab papers, so cope and seethe

>>77198552
>DON'T SLEEP MORE THAN 8 HOURS A DAY
Hopefully I only sleep at night

>>77198632
I would add that he alsp lacks a common sense. So we evolved an internal mechanizm that tells us when to wake up. Someone having this mechanizm broken would have a hard time with a natural selection since the first creatures that had a need for sleep. Now he decided that thos mechanizm is broken, for reazons, and we shpuld be using an alarm to forcefully restrict our sleep duration. Somehow this is supposed to improve our health.

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>>77198552
This is a prime example of why studies and statistics are useless 99% of the time.
They're usually being made by complete imbeciles, and the peers doing "peer review" are imbeciles as well.

This specific case is a good example of a "wet streets cause rain" statistic.
People aren't getting sick or dying early from sleeping more. They sleep more because they are sick.
Those sleeping fewer hours only do so because they are healthier and don't need as much rest.
Sleep is needed for recovery. People who are sick need to sleep more.

Sleeping less wouldn't make them healthier, which is what the imbeciles that make and share studies like these seem to imply.

>>77198625
>speciafically
>loes

>>77198636
Based retard

>>77198647
Can you even coprehwnd what a typo is and that some people don't considers you important enough to proofread their messages?

onasis chads we keep on winning

>>77198660
>coprehwnd
>considers

>>77198664
Do you want to be my personal autocorrect free of charge? Do you value your time and your life that low?

>>77198675
Sorry you're so upset

>>77198675
What is your native language?

>>77198682
2 languages. Nigerian and zambian

>>77198625
>I have masters in math

I rest my case

>>77198632
>NTA but my answer is YES.

Didn't ask

>>77198625
just say actuarial science retard.
>ML chad here

>>77198733
Yet, when it comes to studies, actuarial science is what matters. Most medical professionals and phd student who publish all those bs studies have no understanding of basic statistics. When it comes to sport science, it's hardly possible to find any studies without an erro in formular or calculations.
I have taken courses in ML. It isn't that hard. If you write your own algorithms, yes, you are a chad. If you just copy paste python code and do data cleaning, you are not a chad.

>>77198742
dawg, actuarial science is just stats with a specific application. You think you're on some high horse because (you) think it's hard. LoL.
>Phd in ML working in robotics (computer vision) at Amazon.

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>>77198563

>>77198646
They literally state that in the paper it could be from sleep apnea. No reason to criticize them and call them "Imbeciles" for simply stating what they found. You should be blaming the media for clickbait headlines.

I also know for a fact that that you didn't read the paper. So you're the last person to be criticizing anything.

>>77198742
Most studies are put together by staticians. The phd's just come up with hypothesis and gather the data.
But of course you don't know this because you're a larger.

>>77198752
Ok, you are a chad. But nah, actuarial science is more than stats. It's mostly modelling and data analytics. You don't care much about the past, you predict the future. And yea, you use machine learning for that as well. You car insurace in calvulated using all your driving telemetrics, a lot of other data and AI models.
Look up actuarial exams and try so solve any exercises. And those are outdated methods.

>>77198767
You've never published anything. No. Most studies at universities you do your own validation. Jesus christ people just come on here and flap their cum trap.

>>77198552
needing to sleep more than 6 hours a night means your life is stressful and your diet is bad
i go to sleep at midnight and wake up at 5 am every day without alarm and i feel so fucking great all the time

>>77198775
All you're doing is accumulating sleep debt, but you know pop off king.

>>77198778
sleep debt for 5 years?
i do not use alarms
when will i "oversleep" and get rid of the sleep debt lil bro?

>>77198794
When the cognitive decline comes and the higher risks of your body breaking down materialize. Also, I don't give a fuck do what you want, but if you're a moody cunt in general maybe tune down the smug and consider it a possibility.

>>77198803
no i feel pure joy 24/7 but you're a pretentious son of a bitch who thinks he knows more than others
but you don't
you need tons of sleep and probably coffee too, to function.
i mean function is overstated, you barely get out of your feceams stained chair brown midwit bro

>>77198816
lol, lmao bros having a melty. My bad chief I was just sharing a thought. I am sure you're in perfect condition and will never die.

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You ever had one of those twice a year sleeps where you're just knocked out for like 9 or 10 solid hours and you feel like you're a fucking new human when you wake up?

I have a phd in evolutionary biology, humans should sleep as long as their nature demands

>>77198903
/thread

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>>77198646
No, its one of the few good studies, if its the UK or the Spanish one.
Enough people, for long enough time, across multiple education levels.

At its core, the data shows very little, but it shows that once you account for sleeping in time, there is a optimum for the human body.
Going below that means you have a underlying issue, and the same is true if you consistently go above. Which correlate with something we already know: Athletes sleep more when training harshly, but they then go back to a normal for maintenance periods.

>>77198825
No.
Instead I once a year get a night where I am a dying wreck, go to bed early because I am too much of a wreck to stay up til 10 or 11, and then wake up barely leaning towards rested.

>>77198816
>im happy 24/7
>thats why I'm raging
lol, big sleep debtor detected. take a nap faggot

>>77198552
I sleep 12 hours a day

>>77199181
Can I sleep with you?

>>77198601
In my personal experience I can sleep 7 a lot more consistently than 8. If I go for 8 I'll get like 2 days of it then a 5 and some other chaos. I think that might be as big as excessivr sleep or lack of it indicating other unwellness.

>>77198552
my bitch gf sleeps like 14 hours a day, will she please die soon? before you ask, the only reason i haven't just broken up with her is because she sleeps so much i don't have to put up with her shit as much and have too much time to cool off.

>>77198585
>can't get enough sleep
>sleeps more
You can stop posting now.
>>77198625
Maths* fucking pleb.

>>77198557
Kek
>Study poster mad at other study poster for posting study
R u retarted

>>77198552
Sleep is the only part of the day I enjoy

>>77198732
>asks
>gets btfo
>lies blatantly
Hmm....post nose

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>>77198585
>>77198632
>>77198646
These anons are right. I sleep 9-12 hours a night. 9:23 - 8:00 yesterday.

I have a univentricular heart BTFO'ing my organs, leaving me with cardiac cirrhosis and progressive brain damage from a combination of cerebral microhemorrhages and oxygen deprivation from the formation of collaterals that render me increasingly hypoxic. Baseline saturation is 88-93% that dips to <80% under lifts.

Barring sudden cardiac death or a thromboembolic event, I have 5-10 years left.

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>>77198565
You die faster because you feel better, it's life's automatic balancing to avoid anyone from getting too OP. Personally I prefer quality over quantity so I'll keep sleeping 10+ hours.

>>77200712
>You die faster because you feel better, it's life's automatic balancing to avoid anyone from getting too OP.
I'll probably live forever then. Great.

>>77198565
>have high-paying, demanding career
>exercise daily
>socialize
>have kids
>make time for family
>not as much time for sleep
>live longer than unmotivated, unsuccessful people who don't have as much going on in life and can sleep more
>confuse retards on /fit/

>>77200825
And then you wake up in your jizz soggen trousers

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>>77198552
>jamie, pullup that study that says smoking filament lightbulbs raises testosterone

>>77198552
Having underlying health conditions forces your body to need more sleep in an attempt to recover, not the other way around ("sleeping more is deadly"), dumbass
If you need more sleep than average get a full, thorough health checkup instead of cutting down sleep and make shit worse

7 hours just feels right, 8 hours makes me feel sluggish and the day seems too short, 6 hours makes me want to nap in the afternoon, 7 hours just werks

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I sleep whenever I feel like it and I wake up when I do. Wagecels are seething. Imagine waking up to some loud ear rape alarm every day lmao

>>77198552
I sleep 20 hours life is a fuck

>>77198552
Who published this groundbreaking study, Muscle & Talmud magazine?

>>77198552
That's not how correlations work.

>>77203540
This.

>>77198593
how did you find your way from reddit onto this website? you don't belong here, retard

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>>77198552
My average sleep duration since 2021 is 7 hours. I rarely sleep more than 8 hours because my body doesn't allow me to sleep that long, it wakes me up before 8 hours and I can't get back to sleep because I'm too alert.

>>77198552
Back when I was young and healthy I slept 9 hours a day.
Now that I'm old and fucked, it's 7 hourse.

That's all the proof I need to know that more sleep is better.

>>77198552
Is it that more sleep causes you to be unhealthy?
Or could it be that being unhealthy means you require more sleep?
Retard

>>77198632
>What IS proven is that SLEEP DEPRIVATION has a proven causal relationship with earlier death and several comorbidities.
>describes exactly what a non-causal correlation is
literally textbook example of what ISN'T a causal relationship you fucking retard

>>77205451
>induce sleep deprivation
>issues not present before arise
>cease sleep deprivation
>issues resolve
Causal.
You're retarded.

>>77199181
you are reducing your lifespan retard

>>77203540
based decooorrelater