how hard is it to ask AI chatbot to find studies of protein powder usage, bro... basically its good for u and it works because if u drink it u gain more muscle... best to take one after workout too, it goes straight to the muscle

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>>77200783
>doctor tells me to eat real food
>is he wrong?
Are you retarded?

Protein powder is useless if you get enough protein from your diet, which almost everyone except vegans do. Your doctor is correct and you were scammed out of money for something you don't even need.

>>77200783
>have been using protein powder and I have a really hard time meeting my daily protein intake without it

Now tell us how much you think your "daily protein intake" should be and make us all laugh.

>>77200798
I try to aim for between 0.7g - 1g protein per 1lb bodyweight

>>77200793
obviously you should eat real food. I was hoping an anon could comment on the efficacy of protein powders/explain what my doctor was talking about with regard to the amino acids because I don't know much about chemistry. The way he made it sound is that protein powder has literally no value whatsoever, bear in mind this person is a doctor of medicine and is contradicting a lot of what AI/the internet says

Idk about "incomplete aminos" I think you just don't digest it well and end up shitting alot of it out. Most pro-bodybuilders, Olympic weightlifters and athletes don't drink any protein powders they just eat food.

>>77200805
who cares about the exact chemistry if u can just take the powder and give it to 50 out of 100 people that work out and then compare who gains more muscle

For once someone got a doctor who's not an absolute charlatan and actually a based lad (chocc milk enjoyer) and your first reaction is to ask gov.4troon.org/fit/

>>77200796
>if you get enough protein from your diet, which almost everyone except vegans do
this is wrong if we're defining "enough" to be optimal for muscle development. studies and meta-analyses are pretty consistent that you continue to get returns on muscle growth with additional animal protein up to about 1.6 g/kg, and maybe a bit higher too (especially for younger ppl). most people do not get around half that
>>77200805
your doctor may have been referring to the fact that some protein powder manufacturers did, and do, 'spike' their powders with extra of shittier amino acids that have nothing to do with building muscle, here's an article on the subject: https://blog.priceplow.com/protein-scam-amino-acid-spiking
however, he is simply wrong about protein powder being useless. sounds like typical boomer doctor bullshit. you SHOULD try to get the majority of your protein from actual food sources, because food contains a bunch of other shit that's good for you, but to say protein powder is useless is factually incorrect as has been proven time and time again. 1 scoop a day is fine, i wouldn't take much more than that because a supplement should be exactly that, a supplement

>>77200836
okay this is the type of input I was looking for. thank you anon! do you have any other wisdom to share?

>>77200783
bruv, protein powder is a SUPPLEMENT. I rarely need any because i hit 180g protein from whole foods alone. what are you eating daily?

for example, I eat about 1800 cals a day. I eat a breakfast of ground venison, eggs, rainbow peppers and onions, with diced potatoes. lunch is a chicken based meal with rice or potatoes, with another vegetable. same thing with dinner. they're about 500-600 cals with usually 40-60g protein. then you throw in greek yogurt or protein shake at the end of the day depending on the numbers.

>>77200783
is the doctor in the room with you right now? is he fat?

>>77200783
1g per pound is a meme made to sell goypowder, your doctor is right. 1g per pound of lean mass. and even a little below that is fine.

>>77200971
could you give me an estimate of how much you're spending on groceries per month? also, do you generally meal prep or cook?

>>77200783
Doctors are retards they literally just use a stethoscope and tell you to be healthy

>>77200783
a protien is complete if it has every amino acid, which most (especially plants) dont. that only matters IF
>you arent balancing complimentary incomplete protiens that add to a single complete protien
>the protiens they're missing are one of the like four actually essential amino acids, because you can make the rest yourself
>you are losing efficiency because its all prolene and you already have enough proline
this is why eggs are considered the best. they are dense, complete and have an optimal spread of amino acids for human nutrition. That said, most powders are formulated to be complete, and it's a way you can get more protien at relatively low calories if that matters. but most people can still get all you need from diet, even if you're a vegan

to clarify- protiens are chains of amino acids. you cant efficiently make useful protiens from foods that are"oops!-all-proline".

>>77200783
>he said protein powder is basically useless
he's literally not qualified to say that. He is not a nutritionist. your Mechanic is as qualified to give dietary advice

>>77200783
the only kind of protein human bodies can absorb in the first place is meat protein, but especially that of fish (salmon, cod, halibut), your doctor is correct that whey protein isn't really doing anything for you. probably just a placebo

>>77200783
>he said protein powder is basically useless
Well no, that is strictly not true and I'd hope you are simply misquoting and he actually said something closer to
>it's redundant with a sufficent protein intake from whole foods
which would be true, but still doesn't invalidate protein powders. They're an useful supplement and they're widely used even clinically in meal replacements for patients. If you're trying to hit 130-150 grams of protein per day, which is absolutely within reason for a big guy UUUU, a bonus 28 g from a shake can be a good solution.
>should be prioritizing eating whole foods
True.
>he also insisted I drink chocolate milk
That's some silly advice, either context is lacking, your'e making shit up or the doctor believes their own share of silly broscience.

Keep in mind MDs receive little to no nutitional education. I'm a medical student on my 3rd year and we only barely glazed over nutrition during the 1st year, same for my doc ex who I have been with for her entire education, and it does not show up again in the whole curriculum at all. Nutritionist is a separate profession for a reason, The average sport medicine doc is mostly trained in dealing with sport-related injuries and recovery/prevention. You wouldn't go to a nutritionist for a herniated disc from deadlifts, and you shouldn't go to a doctor for serious nutritional advice beyond "eat whole foods", which is the only decent bit of info you were given. Protein powders are good supplements and choccy milk isn't a bodybuilding miracle.

>>77200783
More or less
if you're eating somewhere near maintence and don't have much in the way expenditures protein suppliments aren't good. Since it puts so much burden on the rest of your diet to meet micro requirements with suppliments for those being also sketchy.

Whey is a complete protein though.

>>77201473
>most proteins (especially from plants) are incomplete
>most proteins
>incomplete
Can you explain how muscle tissue from literally any animal could possibly be “incomplete”? Can you explain how baby cows, drinking milk and milk alone, grow so much muscle?

>>77200800
hes not saying the full number because hes fat

>>77200783
Protein powder may be responsible for the balding epidemic, google it.
Chocolate milk is indeed good, but the protein powder advice sounds sus.

>>77200805
You're hiding the fact that you're vegan and therefore only consume plant protein, which is indeed incomplete.
But that isn't the case for animal protein.

It's not as bad as your doctor has implied.
>redditspace
protein powder "works," the same as any other food, there's just an upper limit to the protein your body can process per unit time; if you drink a protein shake shortly before/after a meal, it's unlikely to be used metabolically. Protein powder is only "incomplete" when it's onions based, and that only means that for every 1 serving of every other amino acid, there's only half a serving of methionone and tryptophan. Chocolate milk is BETTER at this, but not perfect and very high in sugar.
>redditspace
You are probably eating too much too infrequently. eat less, more often. If you eat 3-4 500-700 calorie meals, eat 5-6 300-400 calorie meals instead.
>redditspace
yes you should, but you can also stick with protein powder.
>redditspace
It's thursday
>redditspace
ok