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>>77206047
Works on my machine.

>>77206047
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIdxuNMbOlQ&l

>>77206047
>The researchers speculated about why that happened but they seemingly didn't understand hormones
cute retard, try losing some weight instead of trying to find the next schizo gimmick and you will find out the answer yourself lardass.

>>77206047
>obesity is caused by food texture
Now I've seen it all

>>77206047
OP is fattie

Overeating causes fucked up hormones and obesity at the same time. Hormones further exacerbate obesity.

The cure for getting your hormones in order is to starve yourself while excercising. Starving causes fat loss btw

But yes you sould not consume industrially processed food

>>77206047
I'd say something about your bait but you posted an image too small to read the important part of the bait so I'll just skip to the punch and call you a retarded nigger etc.

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>>77206072
I have successfully lost weight. CICO didn't work. Unlimited calorie high-fat low-carb worked.

Literally do the opposite of what CICO says if you want to succeed. Eat "calorie dense" fat in unlimited quantities.

I hope you will finally lose weight anon.

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>>77206075
To be more precise obesity is caused by (mis)teaching people about calories.

Before anyone heard of the calorie measurement everyone was lean.

Sugar Information Inc told everyone the calorie measurement was super important and now nobody can figure out how to not be fat. (HINT: don't eat sugar)

>>77206047
>studies on mice are valid when they prove my point
>but studies on mice are not valid when they don't prove my point
Go suck a willy

>>77206099
>cico is a law of the universe
>but not in mice
Nice try, calorietard.

>>77206099
Based mice breaking the laws of thermodynamics

Because OP is a faggot I'll post a link to the study:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3148648/
>increase surface area of food
>this increases reaction speed/efficiency (high school chemistry reaction kinetics)
>this increases the effective CI
>do not increase CO
>mice gain weight
wow who would have thought?

>>77206119
So what you're saying is there is more factors to weight fluctuation than the just the dubious measures of a calorimeter
Understood

Yesterday I decided I'm just going to eat when I feel hungry and that's that. Is this a retarded approach?

ketoschizo has broken containment, abandon board

>>77206047
>solid food and powdered food are identical
lol. yes, of course, eating powdered banana that has been preserved for three months must have the same content as a banana freshly peeled. amazing.

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>>77206119
Powdered carbs cause extremely elevated fat storage hormones.

>>77206126
Unlimited calorie zero carb is the most successful strategy to get lean and is also very easy. No measuring food, no logging in a food diary, no hunger, no disgusting low-fat foods.

Enjoy bacon and eggs. Get shredded.

>>77206089
You're still spamming this. Unreal, this website really does attract the most mentally unwell people.

>>77206089
>left didn't list calories
>right shows significant weight loss tracking calories

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>>77206144
>unlimited calories

>>77206126
That's the only correct approach to health in general
Only listen to your body

>>77206047
Post body (you won't)

everyone thinks they are some special case just to have some interesting thing going on in their life why would you be just some dude following a routine, when you can be the guy that knows the truth CICO is a jewish conspiracy, Men should only do heavy weights and strength or their dick will fall off, and so on.

>>77206173
Your (non)argument can used in both directions, it's just a petty female brained shaming tactic

>>77206047
you can always just put the fork down fatty, its obvious you're too lazy to count and are coping by referencing... rat studies xD

>>77206121
So what you're saying is you're too autistic to understand "calories in, calories out" is a simplified way of generalising complicated biology to as many people as possible who don't need to understand the nuances of shitfart431P155 enzyme cofactor cycle to achieve their goal of losing weight? Got it.
>>77206136
I don't think it's necessary to invoke a more complicated answer, but I won't disagree that the increased hormone response is likely a result of the "increased digestion efficiency" I mentioned

>>77206121
So what you're saying is you're too autistic to understand "calories in, calories out" is a simplified way of generalising complicated biology to as many people as possible who don't need to understand the nuances of shitfart431P155 enzyme cofactor cycle to achieve their goal of losing weight? Got it.
>>77206136
I don't think it's necessary to invoke a more complicated answer, but I won't disagree that the increased hormone response is likely a result of the "increased digestion efficiency" I mentioned

>>77206047
Because you're a moron who can't see the obvious in front of you: that all things being equal, it always comes back to CICO in the end.
Like ok, so you're saying powdered carbs make you fat because they cause an exaggerated insulin response? Well sure, that's actually true.
But which amount do you think will lead to a bigger exaggerated insulin response? 50 grams of powdered carbs, or 100 grams? How about 200 grams? Or how about 10?

>>77206047
fat retard.

>>77206148
>didn't track calories

>>77206148
unlimited calories is a meaningless claim when you're a low appetite skelly that never had an ounce of fat (or muscle) on his body at any point in his life, if he had shown a before pic where he was overweight then the image might mean something.
My brother also eats whatever he wants without care and he's 60kg just because he gets full with a small sandwich, and he loves bread so keto has nothing to do with it

>>77206047
>muh studies
who cares, nigger, I eat less for a while and the weight goes down, that's all that matters

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>>77206050
Fpbp

There are various processes and factors that impact calories out. But none of them can counteract thermodynamics. CICO is fundamental law. Your meme diets don't have a choice but to play under the king's rules. You are allowed to cope and seethe and shit your pants about this, though.

>>77206336
>CICO is fundamental law.
According to no one
Also body energy expenditure is more about chemistry than physics, this entire thermodynamics discourse doesn't hold up here

>>77206047
It's convenient and gives autists something to obsess about.

>>77206342
>is more about chemistry than physics
Chemistry is applied physics. Congrats on being fucking retarded!

>>77206342
>chemistry doesn't operate under the laws of physics
Actual retardation

>>77206366
>>77206370
Literally putting words in peoples mouth, why are you such a jew ? And why do midwits love this X is applied Y discourse ?
Well yeah go ahead retard find the cause of your rectal cancer relying solely on mathematics because bringing up dna damage and cancerigens is cancer denialism and the first theorem of pythagorus or some shit retard.
Taking biology and biochemistry out of diet is the most dunning kruger shit ive ever seen in my life not gonna lie

>hmmm this person has a fever we should do a diagnosis and over his entire body and also ask him his habits and then prescri....
>WHAT ARE YOU RETARD ? A THERMODYNAMICS DENIALIST ? JUST STICK THE THERMOMETER UP HIS ASS AND THAT'S IT HE'S CURED NEVERMIND WE ALREADY KNOW HE HAS FEVER, THERMOMETER IS LAW MEDICINE IS JUST APPLIED MATHEMATICS

>>77206148
>unlimited calories
>something around 1.200 - 1.600 kcal idk I didn't count, I only ate as much (little) as my (low) apetite allowed me to

>>77206342
absolute retard post. wow

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>>77206392
No one itt and probably no one ever argued that thermometers cure anything. Massive israeli-level strawman here.

>>77206396
This is the same level of discourse at this point, a degree Celcius/Fahrenheit are normalized units of measure, same for calories. When you take out the biological (hormons, thyroid glands, other glands, insulin sensitivity...) and biochemistry factors (krebs/TCA cycle, metabolic complexes and the role of calcium and vit b intake etc) because muh biology is applied chemistry and muh chemistry is muh applied physics that's what you end up with.
I dont really expect immense intellect for someone called "Pedro-sama" (you even copied my pointing out that you guys act jewish >>77206383) but come on
>CELIUS IN CELIUS OUT THERMOMETER IS LAW JUST DIP YOURSELF INTO COLD WATER

>>77206396
>>77206393
this favela dweller only ever shitposts. Go back to brazil.

>>77206402
>This is the same level of discourse
No it's not, you just fabricated the worst strawman I've seen in a good while and tried to pass it as some "equivalent" from the other side of the debate.
I hope an Iranian missile falls over your home and offs your whole family as you seethe over
>m-muh i-iron d-dome isn't w-working
you filthy israeli.

>>77206406
>poking holes in my weak argument is shittposting
Oy vey

>>77206047
Post body

>>77206407
And you have exactly 0 counter argument to anything i said, especially not the equivalence part of calories being nothing more than a unit of measure and that CICO is oversimplistic and flawed when applied to a T, which is why you're upset and mad and will now reply with another neurotic feminine answer.

>>77206422
It's surprisingly hard to explain in detail why an extremely retarded post (yours) is retarded.
It's like me arguing that all you're saying is
>my mom is an israeli filthy whore, therefore CICO doesn't work
all your points are exactly equivalent to the sentece above.
Now go and post anothet retarded post instead of throughoutly explaining why your posts and the greentext above are not truly equivalent.

>>77206430
>all you're saying is
>>my mom is an israeli filthy whore, therefore CICO doesn't work
Glad we agree you're jewish and disingenuous

>>77206422
>I only believe what I want to hear
go die for israel u fag

>>77206047
Anti cico propaganda is goyim fed posting to shill ozenpic pills.
>Muh hormones
A regular diet is going to have all the macros you need and keep your hormone levels in check, unless there's a serious deficiency its not worth caring about hormones.

>>77206434
>Cannot counter my last post
Case in point

>be me
>cook regular ingredients into food in my kitchen
>weigh what I cook and calculate calories
>estimate my TDEE based on my weight and height (5'11" 200lbs)
>eat ~500 fewer calories than this
>lose ~1lb a week
>assume my metabolism must differ from the statistical average somewhat and drop another 300 calories
>lose ~2lbs a week
Thanks "just eat less"

>>77206444
Regular diet meanw nothing and there's more to bodily function than macros

>>77206461
>Regular diet meanw nothing
amerilard
>and there's more to bodily function than macros
which are all covered by a normal diet, just don't eat 3 servings of goyslop every day nigga, cooking is not difficult

>>77206047
That proves it true. By powdering food you increase the surface area and decrease the energy needed to break it down. You increase the calories in, and decrease the calories out.

But also, calories in, calories out, is a simple, basic rule. It's not meant to be a math problem you solve no matter how much your autism demands it be. If you want to lose weight, eat what you're eating now, but less, and move more. If you want to gain weight eat what you're eating now, but more, and move less. It's the simplest goddamn thing in the world to understand and you still mess it up.

>>77206336
Thermodynamics is the law book; CICO misrepresents their commandments.

I like the book Obesity Code for getting into this. Yes, it's all insulin and cortisol.

He uses a decent analogy. Imagine a coal factory. It uses ~2000 kg of coal per day. The suppliers give the factory roughly its exact needs, 2000 - 2500 kg per day. Daily excess is used the next day or put in storage units for times when the supplier can't make it or reschedules

Then something happens with supply chain. Factory only gets 700 kg per day. Would the factory continue its operations at 2000 kg per day, even burning through all its storage units? No, that would be retarded and the manager would be fired. The factory (your BMR) would try to pivot to essential tasks, using some storage, and some supply, and reduced overall output.

Your body's command and control mechanisms (hypothalamus/brain, hormonal axes, peripheral tissue receptors) aren't retarded. They will cut out nonessential to lower your BMR when calories are scarce. You feel cold (less heat production), hair and nail growth slows and is lower quality, you are fatigued, your mentation is slower, your muscle power is lower. For most people, their BMR will be restricted such as to make strict CICO methods not worth it. It's much more important to avoid processed carbs, intermittent 'fast' to keep insulin spikes infrequent and lower on average, and not obsess about calories.

>>77206465
Muh servings goyslop balanced regular
You're just repeating meaningless buzzwords you've heard on instagram
>>77206484
So you admit that CICO is fallacious since there's more parameters than the made up symbols on the label such as surface area and absorption
Oooh ok got it

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>>77206047
New clinical trial dropped *VERY ROBUSTLY* demonstrating how bioactive foods work in a bad way:
>https://medicalxpress.com/news/2026-04-people-consume-ultra-foods-worse.html
>People who consume ultra-processed foods have worse muscle health, study suggests
>by Radiological Society of North America
>For the study, researchers analyzed data from 615 individuals who participated in the Osteoarthritis Initiative who were not yet affected by osteoarthritis, based on imaging.
>Of the 615 individuals, (275 men, 340 women) the average age was 60 years. On average, participants were overweight with a body mass index (BMI) of 27. Approximately 41% of the foods they consumed over the prior year were ultra-processed.
>The researchers found that the more ultra-processed foods people consumed, the more intramuscular fat they had in their thigh muscles, regardless of caloric intake.
>REGARDLESS OF CALORIC INTAKE
Proof right there that UPFs give u marbled thigh meat and CICO == BTFO.

Learn about bioactive foods more generally; UPFs are mostly bad actors, but some are not.

>>77206516
>You're just repeating meaningless buzzwords you've heard on instagram
Why are amerilards so opposed to cooking? Literally all of you are like this.

>>77206576
I never stated being american, never opposed cooking or even mentioned it any of my posts her if anywhere at all. I think you're having some kind of schizophrenic episode in which case i hope you get well very soon. The most likely scenario is that you're arguing in bad faith and throwing around assumptions to shift the conversation towards a simpler avenue of childish insults that your brain can process, as opposed to flinging words you ignore the meaning of. I wont be engaging further in this discussion.

>>77206516
>there's more parameters than the made up symbols on the label such as surface area and absorption
The difference in encodable DNA enzymes changing metabolic efficiency 10-15% between individuals just means the "estimate your TDEE" step is a rough estimate. Try a TDEE and if you don't gain/lose weight, increase/decrease your goal calories from the estimate. Are you autistic or something?

>>77206582
>I never stated being american, never opposed cooking or even mentioned it any of my posts her if anywhere at all.
No you just made it obvious by being to retarded to know what a regular diet is
> I think you're having some kind of schizophrenic episode in which case i hope you get well very soon. The most likely scenario is that you're arguing in bad faith and throwing around assumptions to shift the conversation towards a simpler avenue of childish insults that your brain can process, as opposed to flinging words you ignore the meaning of.
No, there's just nothing to argue with. You don't know what whole ingredients are, what a balanced diet is, or why they would be capable of providing your micros, and as a result cannot coherently explain why they are bad. If you want to pose an ACTUAL reason that isn't "muh heckin tiktok buzzwords" as if the majority of the planet does not use those terms, I'd be glad to hear it.
>I wont be engaging further in this discussion.
If you'll actually fuck off from the thread, great.

>>77206047
CICO is a reddit catch all that technically isnt wrong (so they still get the upvotes). you pic is still describing the concept that you just need to eat less than your body burns, but obviously the process of burning calories is much more complex. but the normies dont care, they just want a quick slogan they can blurt out

>>77206392
Kek

>>77206487
>>77206047
This is actually very interesting, thank you for posting this

>>77206047
How does diabulimia fit into cico? Seems to disprove it, at least the naive interpretation.

>>77206592
cico deniers btfo kek

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>>77207000
>cico deniers btfo kek
nope, see >>77206522; that study literally controlled for calories, and found differing body composition.

everytime i wanna get ripped i download a calorie tracking app and track and weigh out everything i eat and i get ripped

the moment i stop tracking and go back to yolo eating go back to like 20% bodyfat

but the moment i decide to start tracking my calories again i go straight back down to 10% bodyfat

so idk, works for me, and im in my late 30s now, been using cico to get ripped every summer for the past 20 years

maybe its a u problem i guess, perhaps ure retarded and dont know how to track calories? thats what i found usually is the issue for people

u kinda need a minimum IQ of like 95-100 to be able to track properly, so if u struggle with it, youre probably around 75-80 IQ

>>77207068
Obese women can't understand it, they can't feel hungry for a little bit, they can't put effort into anything, they need to believe that weight loss is gonna happen magically one day when the stars align, everything but putting the fork down. Let them be in their misery.

>>77206066
i can tell this loser is low carb by the way of his slow talking

CICO is bro science.

>>77206522
>>77207049
this is just the same thing this anon said >>77206119
ultraprocessed food will always be higher surface area by way of processing - turning it into a paste and turning it into something else.

>>77206336
>CICO smoothbrain
>plebbitor

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I'm going to hop out of this thread after I post this, but for anyone who's actively looking to improve themselves by not getting into useless arguments, maybe you want to take this to heart.

>>77207863
>The only thing that matters for lifting and the two biggest scams in lifting are bait

Fat fucks will come up with literally any excuse to not eat less food.

>>77207870
Reread the image. Slowly.

people that "need to lose some weight" are genetic dead ends
if you were obese or overweight at any point of your life you are not worth anything

>>77207879
he's highly retarded. you can't help him

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>>77207876
>Fat fucks will come up with literally any excuse to not eat less food.
Nope. I went down the /sci/entific CICO denial rabbit hole to leanbulk, and it worked excellently. Sure you need a caloric surplus to bulk, but calorie quality and timing and all kinds of other autistic shit determines if you ack-shilly bulk muscle.

>>77207879
Doesn't matter what you call it, you're clearly upset over the most basic discussion in fitness

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>>77207983
>you're clearly upset

>>77207986
I thought you said you wont engage in any discussion, are you actually THIS angry ?

>>77207992
>everyone on the website is the same person
How new are you, legitimately

>>77207992
>I thought you said you wont engage in any discussion
It's a good thing you said you thought because you thought wrong because literally nowhere did anyone say that.

>>77208001
>>77208004
>It's THIS upset
Hope you calm down soon

>>77208009
Sorry, you're going to show me the word literally anyone said that then?

>>77207883
Ive been fat most my life and have five sons lel

>>77206136
dis nigga got a frontbutt lmfaoo