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You are leaving substantial amount of arm gains on the table if you train your chest and back with machines inatead of free weights. Im talking like 20% of arms size
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>>77211175
It doesn't. Money over everything - Tron, Certified Real Nigga
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>>77211115
You can get big arms off str8 calesthenics, but machine gainz can also equal free w8 gainz if you just add moar w8.
>t. trained up to mogging-tier (>17") arms on all methods
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>>77211115
if you are a roider, you might benefit from other muscles used in free weight training. if you are a natty, the diff is negligible. stop blaming having a bitch victim body for something else. it is pathetic.
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>>77211115
This is actual lowbrain logic. Yes, you might use your arms more, but that doesn't necessarily equate more gains in the long term. One could also argue that if you use machines, you get a better isolation on the chest and back, thus allowed better rest on the arms, which on its turn allows you to more properly train your arms when you actually train your arms. More arm involvement on the compounds could actually just lead to more junk volume, which is arguably bad for gains.
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>>77215560
>unilateral quartersquat in full internal hip rotation
You are 100% wrong on this one, to target the VMO you should do a quarter squat in full EXTERNAL hit rotation. See this:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11667613/
"Is it truly impossible to strengthen the vastus medialis in isolation from the entire quadriceps muscle group?"
>The training program for the Selective group focused on strengthening the vastus medialis. Exercises were performed using a Biodex isokinetic dynamometer (Biodex System 4 Pro multi-joint machine, USA). The protocol involved isokinetic knee extension exercises at speeds of 90, 120, and 150°/second, executed at a maximum external rotation of the lower leg from a reference position of 30 degrees of knee flexion. Each exercise consisted of a concentric-eccentric cycle. Participants were seated with a hip angle of 100° and a relatively upright trunk, while the dynamometer was aligned with the knee's rotation axis. This axis was defined at the end of the thigh, in line with the femoral condyles. Using specialized belts, the trunk and thigh were secured to the chair, while the lower leg was connected to the dynamometer arm slightly above the ankle. During knee extension, maximum torque was applied, and a strong band was used to maintain the maximum tolerable external rotation of the leg.
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>>77213918
>An actual woman
Ugh, no thanks...
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>>77211115
Actually quite the opposite the fixed path of the machines is better for targeted hypertrophy, it's just that people don't take machine work seriously. You need to track and progressively load like you are benching and do hard sets to failure. A smith machine is better then a bench because of the fixed bar path for sho.
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>>77217608
>why did you hang up on VMO? there's so much more in my original post:
Because I mostly agree with the rest of the post but the VMO thing is retarded, no you are not isolating it by internally rotating hip in fact you are doing the opposite of what you think you are doing. You will end up with big ugly VL just so you know and look like a t rex.
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Biceps need isolation. I got up to I think 260lbs for working sets on close grip lat pulldown and my biceps looked flat out untrained. On the other hand, I never, and I mean never isolate triceps, but they're very well developed just from barbell press, and the occasional incline dumbbell bench
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>>77218465
I started throwing in a designated arm day because I want bigger arms. I really only hit triceps with compounds like bench and OHP.
Rows and pull ups for biceps but I'd throw in incline curls on my upper days.
My arm routine is now:
>EZ bar skullcrushers
>Machine preacher curl
>Tricep dip machine
>Hammer curls
>Single arm tricep pushdown (across body with strap hooked around carabiner)
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>>77218404
>>he never posts body
>Curious
it always eventually deletes errything - curious indeed
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>>77216558
stop with the VMO bot, that's ludicrous, everyone can see for themselves without any risk whatsoever in less than 10 seconds - forward pelvis position and vertical torso quartersquat with internal hip rotation is lighting up VMO like a fucking cristmass tree - just keep trying to rotate pelvis onto working leg, that's actually the workload on the muscle, not the squat itself, quartersquat is just the setup
i was more curious of the biceps crossdraw dragcurl, imma do it today in isolation from the ceiling scapular depressions, it feels unmistakenly like mostly biceps
cause i did try those last time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dihqSBk7uT4&pp=ygUPYXJub2xkIGRiIGN1cmw g
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU0e_rFtzhE
and it's 100 % brachialis :D
meaning all of arnolds biceps is cheat curl, that's why he had nice long head
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>>77219212
>cause i did try those last time:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dihqSBk7uT4&pp=ygUPYXJub2xkIGRiIGN1cm wg [Embed]
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU0e_rFtzhE [Embed]
>and it's 100 % brachialis :D
>meaning all of arnolds biceps is cheat curl, that's why he had nice long head
or maybe i do cheatcurls? it occured to me that i've never really done em - cheaturls in
> arm as if it was on a sling
plane? maybe, dunno
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>>77219415
shut the fuck up, incoherent retard
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>>77221230
> b quiet human
huwhy bitch bot gpt
i mean u won't argue with arnold are u?
>>77219415
>>cause i did try those last time:
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dihqSBk7uT4&pp=ygUPYXJub2xkIGRiIGN1c mwg [Embed] [Embed]
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU0e_rFtzhE [Embed] [Embed]
>and it's 100 % brachialis :D
>meaning all of arnolds biceps is cheat curl, that's why he had nice long head
or maybe i do cheatcurls? it occured to me that i've never really done em - cheaturls in
> arm as if it was on a sling
plane? maybe, dunno
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u can't do that it's arnie :D
cheat-curls in
>arms as if it was on a sling
and i mean it - cheat EVERYTHING, BARELY ANY ELBOW FLEXION, enormous torso swing and bend
and i supplemented it with ruber sideways pull with same alignment - again more of arm adduction in full internal shoulder rotation than elbow flexion and biceps got nice and hard, i also welcome visible brachialis flexing
if u do regular curls all of it winfs up in forearms and tendons
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>u are BANNED
again why bitch bot gpt, explain yourself noe!