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I've got muscles, so I want to use them. I get up in the morning, pose naked in front of the mirror, and flex for half an hour. Looking at myself, I want to beat someone's head in with my bare fist. I want to see my fist forced down some asshole's face, reach down, grab a handful of intestines, and pull them up and out
the throat. That would make me feel good. Whatever makes me feel good is what counts. The reason I build my muscles is to use them. That makes me feel good. It'd be senseless to work out for years just for the
stupid satisfaction of feeling "healthy" or knowing I look good when I'm about to fuck somebody up the ass. I get satisfaction out of grinding a face in the pavement. I don't want to question it. I like causing pain. That's how I am. I see an immediate response to
something I just did. No bullshit. Pure animal pain, me the victor, me in control, me on top, you on the bottom. I never allow myself to be in the position of feeling pain. I'll do anything to avoid pain. I'll run, humiliate myself, betray
a so-called friend, anything. In order to decrease the possibility of pain, I'm never threatening in public. I obscure myself. I don't show off my muscles. I'm soft
spoken. I don't need to impress anyone. I couldn't care less what they think of me. All I want is satisfaction. I get it when I need it. I cultivate it like a hard-on, stroke it, build it up to bursting, then, when I'm ready,
I find somebody to fuck with. Somebody to destroy, somebody to ruin. I brutalize them, then I fuck them. But they can't be "into" it, they can't be some wimpy masochist getting rid of their lame authoritarian guilt. They have to honestly be scared, maybe even think
they're strong. That's when it feels good.

>>77213462
kike slop.
>>77213504
That's when it feels good, when some pompous turd feels my boot in their eye, or their ribs breaking under the impact of
my fist, my big fucking sledgehammer fist snapping their ribs like matchsticks, then my cock fucking them in every hole they've got, my come mixing with their stinking blood. Yeah, I turn on thinking about it. I'm just now pulling on my cock. I'm imagining my meat in your toothless mouth right now. I'm shooting
a gallon down your throat. You're vomiting a thin green liquid into my lap, then I kill you for that mistake. I twist your head right off your weak neck for that mistake. I kill you like the worthless chicken you are right there and then, then I fuck you some more. Later, I eat your sour brains and throw your corpse out with the garbage. Now you're perfect. You're
doing what you do best: you're dead. I used you. I fucked you. I wiped you off the face of this rancid earth. My main goal in life is my pleasure, and that made me feel good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oleifT80h7s

>>77213462
Ayn Rand was a cunt who deserved to die as she lived, sucking taxpayer dollars from the government teat.

>>77213462
>temu max stirner

>>77213591
>>77213505
Be more subtle moshe

>>77213462
So this is where doorbrah got his current social media handle

>>77213462
>Israel firster leeching of American tax dollars
If you are not infinitely suspect of a JEWISH ZIONIST in the year of 2026 you are just not paying attention. Please get a clue

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>>77213462
Ayn rand was a cunt and her most recognised book is shit. Also shes fucking ugly for anyone to even pay attention to her. 0/10 would not even bother calling her disgusting

I have Ayn Rand on my reading list, but haven't got around to it yet. I think if someone evokes so much emotion in so many different people then their work is worth your attention as well.

I would really be interested to hear why some of you dislike her work so much. It seems like she triggers people no matter their political beliefs.

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>>77213675
>I would really be interested to hear why some of you dislike her work so much.
Because it's logically flawed, it's pretty much a consensus in philosophy circles that her work just isn't very good. She establishes that one ought to be concerned for themselves first, which is justfiable, but then makes the unjustified assumption everyone being concerned for themselves first must actually result in optimal society, because muh natural order. She then adds the bandaid of property rights having to be respected, even if it is not in my personal self-interest, because uhhh well she has no reason to say this other than because it is in her own interest for them to exist because she's a meek woman that benefits from them. It's just shoddy work all around. The cringy erotica doesn't help one bit. It's a real shame she's the most known female philosopher, she gives them a very bad name.

I greatly suggest reading Max Stirner first, his take on egoism is actually internally consistent. Rand is still worth reading once just to confirm how garbage her work is at some point though, but i wouldn't rush it.

>>77213717
Thank you!

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>/fit/core books
Its not a personality, its not a religion, its a hobby. And a very straightforward one as well. Youre implying that being /fit/ overlaps with the weird nu-fash wave of internet aesthetics that are confusedly placed between libertarianism and ethnostate shenanigans. Nobody likes atlas shrugged. Nobody really reads atlas shrugged (unfortunately I have). Its not a good book from a literary standpoint and its not meaningful in any philosophical way. Atlas shrugged is genuinely a meme. You just think its a book for strong manly men and surely you lifting must mean youre developing into a strong manly man. Its not even a proper political stance in these days. You want to know about /fit/core literature? Read the things you enjoy reading. If that is atlas shrugged then good for you buddy but going to the gym simply isnt that much of an ideology. The best books for you are the ones you like and where you can learn something about yourself as a human. Just read nigga and enjoy it. Stop trying to fit your taste or personality into an inforgraphic.
>I’m sick of lists of books. Reading lists, top tens, flowcharts, curriculums, canons, counter-canons, the lot. Pathetic activity. Someone could write out the name of every single book I really love, ranked impeccably, with no omissions and no interpolations, and I’d spit cold venom in their face. I think the only way to read with dignity is to read organically, genealogically, backwards, by touch. Not running down a list, but excavating, following the seams where words bleed into each other.

>>77213462
>book about trains and 50 shades of grey level of romance fantasy

was she autistic?

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>>77213462
I just can't fucking unsee Timmy from WKUK when looking at her. It's uncanny, she must be his direcy ancestor or something.

>>77213717
good summary, most people here who larp as Rand enjoyers definitely haven't read her.

>>77213675
>I would really be interested to hear why some of you dislike her work so much
She's just not a good writer; everything literary is compromised to further her economic dogma, which, more than being distasteful to me (which alone doesn't make a writer not worth reading), is simply not very interesting. She's worth a quick read just to know what her deal was, since she was in fact important (I'd encourage you all to read Marx, Hitler, etc. for the same reason), but her short works are all you need; try Anthem or just skip to her essays. I don't think people would have nearly such a bone to pick with a book like Atlas Shrugged if not for the blatant excess of the length- at a thousand pages you could have sunk that time into Proust or Shikibu or Gaddis or any number of subtler and more stylish writers instead. Anyone who says AS or TF is his favorite book can safely be assumed to just agree with Rand's positions, since it's not like there are great characters or beautiful sentences to savor, and such people tend to be overconfident, boorish, and ironically detrimental to any system to which they attach themselves.

Her books are the literary equivalent of a war film that paints one side as good guys and the other as bad: you might enjoy it if you're a nationalist for whatever side is painted as good, but if you're anyone else in the world it's an irritating, vacuous experience. That film at least might have some fun action scenes to offer, and is over in a few short hours; imagine how unlikeable it would become when transformed to a literary doorstopper whose fans think they're smarter than (You) for having endured it, even if they've never read another book in their lives.

>>77213643
Have better taste bootlicker

>>77213675
Just play Bioshock, you will get the same grip on her ideas, but with a more realistic conclusion of their implentation and you also get to beat the shit out of mutants with a wrench instead of suffering through poorly written smut.

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>>77213505
>Look mom! Meaningless shock content!

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>>77213462
Not beating the stereotype about meatheads

>>77214029
>the landlord can personally beat the shit out of and incarcerate the rentoid for not paying rent
i wish

>>77214039
That's exactly what happened for most of history. Read a book.

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>>77214041
We're not in most of history, we are in today, retard.

>>77213675
Her career as an author has this really bizarre arc to it where she actually becomes less proficient as a novelist across time, because her true calling was always as an essayist and as she gets better at being one the trouble of having to try to write actual human beings living out actual interesting stories increasingly gets in the way of that.

You do not know what "ham-fisted" really means until you've read Ayn Rand. By the time she does Atlas Shrugged, it's gotten so bad that the book is literally just a single character delivering a 90-page-long speech with a thousand pages of, "I've depicted myself as an indomitable community of strong-jawed gigachads and you as sniveling bureaucrats, lmao," written around it to justify the event happening.

Her philosophy is essentially just Nietzsche crammed through the filter of the Soviet Materialism she was indoctrinated in as a student. She doesn't really add anything, just takes pieces of it away until it's accessible to people who just want an excuse to be obsessed with their jobs.

>>77213462
Ayn Rand's "philosophy" was basically just chad worship. "I wish all these stupid icky creeps would just fuck off and die so I could be with a Real Man like chad from my novel". The only good thing about her shitty books is that they serve as a glimpse into the mind of the average woman.

>>77213994
Actually I like when the police arrest criminals and vagrants. That's what I pay them for.

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>>77213462
>Atlas Shrugged
you can tell its written by a woman. it starts all cool talking about trains, steel and enterprise but then the second half is Rand's self insert character hopping from cock to cock, in the flashback chapter you can practically hear her strumming while she was typing. "oh Francisco d'Anconia tell me more about your father's copper mine while we frolic on the beach as teenagers"

pic related is peak chad, bounces around the empire fucking natives. sure he's a coward but so are you

How did this thread turn from talking about books to licking a dead hypocrite's cunt?

>>77213462

Hitler's Revolution by Richard Tedor

In the Iliad they celebrate the life of the turbo twink Patroclus by doing sports, while they are sieging the walls of Troy.

>>77213504
Are you ok ?

>>77213717
>consensus in philosophy circles is X
that's strong evidence for "not X."

Can I get some anatomy, physiology, and biology books for dummies? I feel like they would be useful for a fitness board. Also a book on how people learn new movements with their body.

>>77213813
obviously

>>77213462
reading foxnews boomer meme books isnt going to get you jacked, you dyel egghead queer

>>77213505
You've never done this and you don't lift.

>>77213675
>I would really be interested to hear why some of you dislike her work so much. It seems like she triggers people no matter their political beliefs.
She makes a reasonable critique of leftists and collectivists, which they have never forgiven her for, and then real dumb /pol/ types who can't get over her Jewishness hate her.
She's fine. Not the best but worth reading.

>>77213462
The Fountainhead is a slightly better read.
Also, the old Tarzan books are good.

>>77213808
of course but people think at the bottom of a must-read list is wisdom even when the words read just go in one ear (eye?) and out the other and nothing is retained because nothing is thought about except for a few highlighted quotes that sound good

>>77214583
How you learn new movements is covered quite well in the inner game of tennis. Also why get a for dummies anatomy book and not a serious anatomy book? I guess it would be similar, but still

>>77214439
It's a shame they don't do that then.

>>77216033
It's crazy leftoids really believe all cops do is beat up black people lol. They're so childishly stupid

>>77213462

The sheer amount of seethe her novels elicit from woke trannies alone demonstrates that she's worth a read. They're the leeches on society and competent men that she unapologetically calls out on. Note these seething trash's appeal to authority a la "the consensus". If her novels inspire you and reaffirm the virtues of selfishness and you behave accordingly through society then that will be a net positive for you.

>>77216070
she's a cringey kike commie bro there's better resources for le epic stoic nationalist written by aryan men

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Endurance, it'll make you realize how bitch-made us modern men are

Your pick of undergrad Classical Physics 101, Chem 101, Biochem 101, biokinetics/biomechanics 101, Ochem 101, Pharmachology/Toxicology 101, Quantum Physics 101, and Physchem 101 textbooks. Great way to delve deeper into the diminishing returns if you care about fitness, it's just a lot of work to learn. If "lift heavy and eat well" is the low effort 90% results input, and the textbooks are the high effort to eke out the next 9%, then anything deeper than that is for hyperautists to minmax the last 1% (the Nippards and Bad Luck Johnsons of the world).

>>77213591
>deserved to die as she lived, sucking taxpayer dollars from the government teat
I don't care for Rand's Objectivism, but this faggoty response is all I ever hear in regards to Rand. I don't think you actually know anything about Rand's ideas; I think you read a reddit comment years ago and you brought it here because you're a faggot.

>>77214010
>Bioshock
>Just play open Jewish propaganda against whites having their own society

>>77216127
Same, I don't care about her but the hatred of her is 100% repeating things they heard people say on reddit.

>>77213643
>Be more subtle Moshe
>When Ayn was a zionist Jewish supremacist

>>77216077
ok, namedrop some senpai

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>>77213462
there's a text file in the Mega i have and here is its contents laid out:

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>>77216500
I personally do not like that list but it pertains to the topic. I do not care particularly for this list, but it is also pertinent:

>>77216506
I would recommend:
>starting with your ethnicity's mythic founding
>your ethnicity's ancient religion(s)
>history of your ethnicity
>great heroes of your ethnicity
>a cursory understanding of your ethnicity's relationship and history with its current religion
>20th & 21st century history of your ethnicity's politics
>current politics of whatever administration(s) your ethnicity falls under; industry, space capacity, military, etc.
don't beat yourself up too hard either regarding reading or anything else. Life remains a gift.

>>77213462
Wtf Rand was a woman?

>>77216560
most influential female author of 20th century yeah

>>77216469
>name drop
esljeet...

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The official book of /fit/

>>77216738
do you also hyphenate "e-mail", grandpa?

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>>77213462
robert e howard's conan
ss 3rd edition
wuxiaslop

>>77216070
>If her novels inspire you and reaffirm the virtues of selfishness
Nigger the consensus you hate so much is she's shit not because of her specific endorsement of anything, but because her endorsement is incoherent. She will tell you to act in your self interest, then instantly scream "noooo not like that!" when it's inconvenient for her. Actual egoists can defend their position without logical contradiction and have also criticized her shit for thar reason. It's garbage, you haven't read her, you have zero reading comprehension, are allergic to nuance and are a black retarded gorilla nigger in general.

It doesn’t exist because fitness is anti intellectual

>>77216129
>open Jewish propaganda
Good morning sir

>>77216800
Plato rolling in his grave right now from your retardation

>>77216806
Fitness is literally anti aristocratic and an expression of a primitive nature and low iq lol <3

>>77216127
If you want watered down judaism and made-up myths about economics you can turn on a TV, no need to read the lady who got paid by the government to write about how selling children is ethical.

The half of her books that are porn are kinda good, tho.

>>77216750
oh no no no you just ramble at people when you're confused how embarrassing

>>77213462
Starship Troopers. It isn't the movie, the book talks at length about personal duty and civic virtue. Half of the book is the main character getting their shit pushed in physically in order to get in shape enough just to move the power armor. Incredibly based book that enrages losers who haven't actually read it because Reddit told them it was fascism

>>77214074
Went into this expecting real philosophical ideas about what training can do for your mental health and putlook but it was just stream of consciousness rambling about how working out makes you look sick as fuck

>>77216506
>Starts by suggesting all the thousand page doorstoppers
troll list

>>77216818
"Noble" literally means "warrior.'

>>77213462
Of course this tasteless board recommends this kikeslop

I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if you haven’t even read it and simply like the title

>>77213462
>Objectivism, the most retarded philosophy of all time
>So insanely stupid that the massive problems with it are obvious to even small children, and Rand was laughed out of mainstream philosophical thought and only taken seriously by psychopathic wall street bros looking for a way to justify their morally abhorrent lifestyles
>To this day even future thinkers she inspired, such as anarcho-primitivists, have been unable to come up with a dumber philosophy
I 100% agree OP, sounds like /fit/ in a nutshell

>>77217485
You know what's funny is that a fully Objectivist society would still likely be much less bad than a communist or nazi one. Yet half people today are adherents of those belief systems but would never try Objectivism in a million years.

>>77216818
Plato continues to roll, go ahead, kee posting more retarded illiterate shit so we can hook him to an alternator and generate power for the whole world.

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>>77217543
You can't implement objectivism because it is not coherent. At some point people will decide to resolve the inherent logical contradiction between rape and robbery being in their best interest because they really wanna/can get away with it and having to act against their own interest by respecting property and human rights by choosing the former. It simply does not logically follow that i should be acting in my self-interest AND arbitrarily respect whatever doesn't serve my self-interest. This is what happens when you let women into a field where rigorouos logic is required, literally philosophy 101 to make your shit actually follow first.

>>77217554
I don't know that much about it. It sounds like she was taking for granted the Christian moral backbone of society.

>>77213675
It is becays they're dogshit, anon. Aside from her retarded antisocial belief systems, the novels she wrote to promote them are dreadful and a nightmare to read, she can't write for shit. Almost everyone who says anything praiseworthy about Rand hasn't actually read anything, they're just larping reactionaries because "wow, BASED conservative!". Even if you want to larp as a lolbert, just do it with Stirner.
Anthem is tolerable but plagiarized, The Fountainhead is bad, Atlas Shrugged is not worth wiping your ass with the pages it is printed on and on my deathbed I'll yearn for the time I lost reading it.

>>77217557
>I don't know that much about it.
You're not losing much. There are much better authors arguing in favor of egoism.
>>77217557
>It sounds like she was taking for granted the Christian moral backbone of society.
She was mostly a product of her time and environment, I don't blame her too much. Her parents emigrated from tsarist russia, fleeing the bolshevik revolution, and she found comfort, success and fame in capitalistic US. This made her small mind reach the simplistic, anecdotal conclusion that acting in one's self interest must be an inherent good, which can and has been logically justfied by better men, but as a quite silly woman she felt the needed to reconcile this conclusion with her inherent need to be respected within a society, which she in turn had to vaildate. The result is an incoherent clusterfuck that falls apart under any scrutiny by men capable of thinking on a systemic scale.

And the worst part is, you could almost look past all of this if her writing was actually enjoyable and entertaining at least, but it's neither.

>>77217554
Objectivism doesn't make sense because it wasn't supposed to. Ayn Rand was promoted because she served to provide "academic" ideological backing for the conservative movement of the 80s.
>muh small government should only provide military protection of property rights, total deregulation of all business
>muh warhawkism we must fight communism everywhere because they're subhuman
She was an atheist Jew, so she didn't vibe with the Evangelical wing of the Republicans, but 2/3 legs of the stool isn't bad. She and her followers were the unofficial court philosopher enablers of the actual political agenda of the GOP, the same job Curtis Yarvin does for the techno-oligarch ghoul wing today.

short motivational comic
https://imgur.com/gallery/RoS7nY6

>motivational music for reading
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWZVKU5imx0

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>>77217554
Fuck Ayn Rand but there are plenty of women who have made meaningful contributions to philosophy. Pic related for example, even if you disagree with her.

Ayn was just a retard though. Edgy teenager tier philosophy.

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>>77216506
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>>77218037
Ayn was far more interesting than De Beauvoir. Just because you don't like her doesn't make her bad or unimportant.

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>>77218096
>Ayn was far more interesting than De Beauvoir.
The only interesting thing Ayn produced was B tier pornography, and managed to publish it in the 50s.

>>77217543
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>>77217573
>>77217557
Objectivism is incoherent and impossible to implement because it's built on a Tabula Rasa view of human nature and psychology. This is explicitly the foundation.

The whole thing is simply incompatible with a Homo Sapiens who has any innate instincts, preferences, or values whatsoever. Tabula Rasa is defunct and has been for a long time. Ergo, Objectivism is demonstrably and decisively false.

>>77218350
The same is true of socialism and all left wing philosophy

>>77218507
Democratic Socialism has been a massive success basically everywhere it's been tried. Look at the Nordics, they're killing it on every metric. Like you can whine about "muh immigration" but that's 1. Largely a right-wing hoax and 2. Totally unrelated to their economic model.

>>77218096
>Just because you don't like her doesn't make her bad or unimportant
Rand isn't mocked just because people disagree with her views, she's mocked because her work is poorly written and lacks literary merit. You have a right to speak your mind, but that doesn't mean serious academics have to overlook glaringly obvious flaws in your arguments just because you feel entitled to membership in the intellectual cool kids club. Her ideas are so idiotic that she must have been aware of all of the logical problems with her philosophy, but chose to ignore them, kind of like the Marquis de Sade (whose philosophy is actually very similar to hers at the end of the day)

That's why most intro to philosophy courses will discuss The Second Sex but not Atlas Shrugged or The Fountainhead, beyond maybe a passing mention. One is simply better than the other. And before you start whining about liberal bias and college campuses being hives of woke indoctrination, remember that these are classes that go over a WIDE range of viewpoints, from Nietzsche to John Locke to someone like Thomas Aquinas. It's not that her beliefs are unpopular. It's that they're stupid, like her.

>>77218623
Complete non sequitur. The point is socialism relies on tabula rasa. 'The new soviet man' and all that.

>>77218687
Democratic Socialism =/= Authoritarian Communism

They're two different forms of government, but both are considered part of "the left"

>>77218718
Another non sequitur. Address the point.
"Democratic socialists" obviously believe in tabula rasa too. Hence their belief they can just replace their own grandkids with Somalians.

>>77218774
My point was that tabula rasa or not, democratic socialism has been successfully implemented in dozens of countries, unlike objectivism which would result in either instant anarchy or a totalitarian plutocracy.

>>77218788
And your point was completely unrelated to what was being discussed. Which is why I keep calling it a non sequitur. All anyone was talking about is whether different ideologies are tabula rasa or not. You came it to say 'durrr look at Sweden socialism worked there!' I'm not going to get into an argument with you about that here, I am just sticking to the topic at hand.

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(for the dumbasses this is of course long before Soviet Union communism, he was actually arguing against his own interests). He also has a great book on evolution called Mutal Aid: A Factor in Evolution, talking about how humans are evolved to help each other rather than a magic man in the sky telling them to.

>>77218807
The bread book is unironically a very interesting read, even if you despise anarchism.

Honest for God, one of the best things I've read.

>>77216802
This is the laziest Israeli post- a slightly spelling mistake and you try to imply they're Indian, thus outing yourself in the process.
>>77216127
Fit used to very much appreciate her back in 2011, I remember it well.

>>77218623
Do you think Ireland is 70% more productive than U.S. or maybe it has to do with their tax arbitrage strategy? Same principle here. Nordics are spending down accumulated wealth but once it is gone it is gone. Have you been to Malmo?

>>77213591
>Taking your own money back from government is welfare
Do you understand what social security is or no?

>>77213462
Why is /fit/ getting verifiable slide thread content posted? Are there Jews here now too?

>>77218822
>Fit used to very much appreciate her back in 2011, I remember it well.
You shouldn't make up stuff.

>>77216859
Same. I stopped like half way through

>>77218096
>Ayn was far more interesting than De Beauvoir
In the same way watching a bad driver crash a car and die is more interesting than watching a good one drive proficiently and safely, sure.

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>>77219309
>Le durrr
De Beauvoir: feminist trash.
>once is not born, but becomes a woman (tabula rasa, the bad idea we were originally discussing)
>le women are le oppressed and must be le freed (lead to the downfall of civilization)
>Ideas all utterly disastrous when applied
Ayn Rand:
>excellent and cutting criticisms of leftists/ collectivists that anyone today could see the truth in
>Predicted collapse of Detroit while it was still the richest city in the world
Rand was right, which is why the left has an eternal burning hatred for her. De Beauvoir was astroturfed run of the mill feminist garbage.

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>>77219424
>muh right muh left
Lowest form of political philosophy discourse, I can only hope pic related gives you the well deserved cognitive dissonance.

>>77219460
How ironic.
You post her being in favor of abortion, because you, being a dumbfuck tranny, assume I have the "right wing position" on abortion.
Isn't that ironic?
You piece of shit.

>>77217554
That's not really a contradiction, it just comes down to: is a functioning civilization or society in your self interest? Or is anarchy and chaos?

>>77216742
Bronze age pervert is a romanian faggot jew btw

>>77218507
Pretty much, yes. That's the worst part. She expends all of her intellectual energy ranting against them just to go down with the same ship, because she never even truly disagreed with them about the fundamental nature of Man at all.

>>77219930
Ah I see. She thought we were all made of the some stuff and some men just Tried Harder

>>77219893
Wow I think you just blew everyone's mind with that one, no one here has heard that one million times

>>77220140
he isn't wrong but everybody ought to read BAM at least twice to challenge themselves and their preconceptions
sort of like, imo, every Christian needs to read the Anti-Christ and Either/Or in order to get their ass mentally beat but emerge hopefully stronger from it

>>77213794
yw homes

>>77214427
kek

>>77213462
Battlefield Earth
One jacked savage who can kill a grizzly bear with wooden clubs is only an intelligence boosting brain machine away from becoming Emperor of the Earth and defeating the Intergalactic Bankers.

>>77214468
Good old Flashy. The Ciaphas Cain novels are basically the same but with a less morally shaky protagonist and a sci-fi setting for you nerds out there.

>>77219730
>is a functioning civilization or society in your self interest? Or is anarchy and chaos?
My individual choices, in the absolute vast majority of cases for the average person that isn't very exceptional, aren't even within the realm of being even remotely able to disrupt the function of society at large to a degree that would affect them personally. Me scanning sirloin as bananas or raping an odd girl outside of my zipcode won't collapse society or even deprive me of any goods provided by it if I'm able to avoid detection, I will wake up tommorow and for the rest of my life without facing any consequences. You might as well argue your individual vote affects the outcome of presidential elections.

Now you could argue shoplifting or rape may not be within one's interest purely because they don't want to do it, but if they do want to do it, the meta would be to do it, and there obviously exist people that do wanna do it. Ayn provides no solution to this conundrum, other than a feeble attempt at handwaving it away with an unjustifed duty to respect property and human rights, because she says so and starts with a biased mindset of reconciling everyone universally acting purely in self-interest with a functional society. Better egoistic authors lack such bias and do offer a solution.

>>77216083
Based. I'd also recommend An Unsung Hero, it's more focused on Tom Crean and covers multiple expeditions

>>77214029
The stereotype about meatheads is that they read books you don't like?

Drop the books and pick up a kettlebell.

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Naturally this thread has devolved into political book posting so I'm posting the only list that will actually elevate you above petty ideological squabbling and take out outside of the modern liberal frame.

https://youtu.be/epxYj9vStJA?si=U1lKzEhT-ZCD44Iu

I also recommend every /fit/izen to watch Robert Sapolsky's lectures on human sexual selection found within this playlist of his:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL848F2368C90DDC3D

I also recommend you read his book Determined. As for philosophy there's not much you can really believe in/apply after learning about human behaviour therefore stoicism is really the only way forward as it's the only path of acceptance. Nietchze is too much for many people and it will either go over their head or his ideals are unattainable for the masses.

reading is for faggots

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>>77213462
>Jew
>woman
No.

>>77213462
You should just read old pulps and boomer shit.

>>77221545
nice, thanks for the rec I'll definitely pick this up

>>77218623
Socialism worked in the Nordic countries because they were Nordic. They could make anything work. Since the end of colonialism, there have been > 50 experiments in Africa with varying degrees of capitalism and socialism and the best they can do is Botswana, a country that sits between Venezuela and Lebanon in terms of development.

>>77214029
>Ancap
>Ayn rand
Rothbard raped that bitch
Also the house is someone's property, it was funded, built, etc etc, but most importantly, you voluntarily chose to inhabit it in exchange for money

The state claims a parcel of land they did not homestead but that the citizens homsteaded instead, and claims ownership over you because you were born on said land, then involuntarily coerces you for the rest of your life because of a "social contract" which you allegedly signed when you were born with your little baby hands using a little baby sized pen.

You can criticize anarchism under many pretextes, but this comparison is the dumbest one.

>>77218350
Which is why Rothbard, Hoppe, etc, (actual libertarians) are against tabula rasa and in favor of a high discrimination society.

>>77222280
>The state claims a parcel of land they did not homestead but that the citizens homsteaded instead
The state own all the land, tho. Even homesteads in the US are US state land, taken by conquest and lent to citizens.

>>77222284
>The state own all the land
They have not homesteaded it, the state "owns" the land because it claims to own the land and can enforce it with violence
Your apartment owner owns the apartment because he either built it or bought it. These are two completely different kind of ownership.

One is violent, cohercitive, and not legitimate. The second is neither violent nor cohercitive, and is completely legitimate.
Therefore taxes are not like rent.

Furthermore, the state cannot "own" anything because it's not a person, and collective ownership is inherently contraddictory as it does not solve the issue property is meant to resolve. Property exists to reduce or avoid violent conflict
An example:
Matt and Bob live on an island, and together they form the Matt and Bob nation. There is one sharpened stick. Matt wants to use it to fish, Bob wants to use it to hunt. How should the stick be used?

In collective ownership of the island nation, there is no morally correct answer to this, Matt and Bob will have to kill each other to get the stick, and we will never know who was in the right

Under private property we solve the issue: Matt picked up the stick first or is the one who sharpened (homesteaded it), therefore Matt is the sole owner of the stick. As the sole owner of the stick, Matt has the complete moral right to choose how to use the stick. He can fish, sell it to Bob, lend it to him for free.
Now Bob may still choose violence, but we have established a moral and correct application of the law in this situation, we have no doubt who is in the wrong here, which is why this concept of private property is the only reasonable way to construct a legal system.
As such, the state's collective ownership can never be "legitimate" the same way real ownership is. So paying taxes and paying rent is simply not the same.

>>77222292
What a pile of AI slop, it's amazing someone can believe this crap.

The state own the land legitimelly, not matter how hard some ideologic individual cry that he should be the one to own it instead. That's why the state can take and grant land.

>>77222295
>That's why the state can take and grant land.
Using this as proof is like saying that a home intruder is a legitimate owner of your home, "that's why he can sit on the couch"
Just because someone *can* do something doesn't mean the action is legitimate. Even though some nig can shoot you in the head, we probably both agree it's not a legitimate action to take.

>>77222299
So are you saying every single piece of land in the US belong rightfully to natives who "homesteaded" it before colonization?

>>77222303
No?
They have not homesteaded it at all lol. You should probably read what the word means, me passing in a field is not me homesteading said field.

Me farming a field is what homesteads it.

>>77222310
So "homesteading" is a process that only counts when a hypocrite libertarian benefits, otherwise using force to take land, like happened with every inch of American land is legit.

Dude, not only are you an idiot who believe in fairy tales, but you're also an hypocrite. Nice.

>>77222310
So taking land by force is fair, as long as you claim the other guy is not actually using it so it's not really his?

>>77222316
>So "homesteading" is a process that only counts when a hypocrite libertarian benefits
What? Man just read what homesteading is and stop being a retard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_principle

>>77222323
>Just read this link and agree with my crap
Can you stop preaching your cult ideology on fit? It's dumb and it's off topic.

>>77222322
>So taking land by force is fair as long as you claim
????
I already told you that homesteading has nothing to do with a verbal "claim"
Either the guy was using it, in which case you would be lying and committing property theft on top of murder, or he was not using it, in which case you would only be committing murder.

Is your argument really "well I could lie"? Because you can lie in any system, even under the state you can lie, it really makes no point at all

>>77222328
>Either the guy was using it, in which case you would be lying and committing property theft on top of murder, or he was not using it, in which case you would only be committing murder.
So taking land from others is rightful as long as you can claim the other was not using it loudly enough. This may be the worst ideology I've seen.

>>77222326
Anon you can't tell me I'm being a hypocrite on homesteading if you don't even know what homesteading is kek
I understand you are mad, and if you are not interested in the topic you can leave, but if you call me a hypocrite when I have proof you don't know what you are talking about at my fingertip I will post it.

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>>77222331
>I understand you are mad, and if you are not interested in the topic you can leave, but if you call me a hypocrite when I have proof you don't know what you are talking about at my fingertip I will post it.

>>77222330
Anon I could steal your wallet and claim its mine, therefore your ideology is dumb.
This is the argument you are making.

Either the land was homesteaded or it was not. Either the wallet was yours or it wasn't, the truth will decide if its theft or not. This is what decides theft IN OUR CURRENT LEGAL SYSTEM, it's not some insane shit I'm proposing here.

>>77222339
>IN OUR CURRENT LEGAL SYSTEM
So the state, as the soruce of all legitimancy decides what is theft or not? Now you're making sense.

>>77222341
>So the state, as the soruce of all legitimancy decides what is theft or not?
No? I said that the state does this, not that it's all the source of legitimacy. That is nowhere in my post, nor have you proven it anywhere. If the state suddendly sentenced you to death, would you say "you know what? Pretty fair, it's legitimate because the sate said it"? If the state fucked your wife would you clap from the cuck chair?

I simply pointed out the contraddiction of saying "This may be the worst ideology I've seen." when you literally agree with the point I am making and are just rejecting it because you are mad at me.

>>77222344
>f the state suddendly sentenced you to death, would you say "you know what?
So legitimancy comes from what entitled redditors say? Like robbing land is fair, as long as this one ideological freak I'm talking to claim the guy who owned it before have not "homesteaded" it?

>>77222347
>Like robbing land is fair, as long as this one ideological freak I'm talking to claim the guy
We went over this already, this is a dumb point
Yes, you could commit a crime and try to lie about it. You can lie in every single ideology or system
I can lie about your wallet and say it's mine.

Would it be true? Of course not, there is one true owner to your wallet, and that's you. Likewise, there is one true owner to the land I'm farming. Your false claim would be a lie, and if proven as such, you would be punished (we could spend the whole afternoon talking about private justice or public justice, personally I'm not an ancap and I accept a small state is necessary to handle matters of justice such as theft, purely because of practical and not philosophical reasons)

This is not something my ideology alone says, every single ideology, including our current system, considers this "you could just claim..." point you are making fucking dumb and retarded.

>>77222360
So your ideology is retarded and built around people making claims when they take other's stuff... but it's fair because you claim it also happens in other ideologies so it's technically not worse?

>>77222362
>and built around people making claims
Again? I've already explained to you how this is not the case several times and you keep repeating it over and over while not disproving what I said. You are fighting a strawman

What is your ideology? That people will not be able to make false claims?
Claims are how people communicate their grievances in conflict. But only one of the claims is true. The system is not built around claims, the system is build around the objectively true, and since words is how we communicate, the objectively true must be said just like people can say the objectively false.

The role of the judge, public or private, is to check the two claims and see which one is correct. There is a CORRECT owner, and an INCORRECT thief, this has NOTHING TO DO with claims, this is an objective truth, the wallet is YOURS, not MINE, regardless of what I may claim.
>The judge could be wrong or corrupt!
Yes, the judge could be wrong. No system or ideology can prevent human mistakes, we are indeed, limited by our human nature.

>>77222372
>I've already explained to you how this is not the case several times
Repeating a lie many times doesn't turn it into truth, at least not for non-libertarians, maybe it's different inside your cult.

>>77222376
>Repeating a lie many times doesn't turn it into truth
Correct, which is why no matter how many times you repeat your faulty argument, it will stay faulty
I am the one arguing 2+2=4 and here you come with the "well, what if I CLAIM 2+2=5 eh? That really proves your math wrong!", and you've repeated this stupid argument like 5 times already
Legitimately beyond saving.

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>>77213462
These and a farewell to arms was shilled hard back in the day.
>>77216506
On moby dick atm, otherwise this is just fart sniffing.
>>77216742
>poorly written esl crap
I was duped into reading this. Fucking awful.
>>77218879
It was shilled in every fucking thread.
>>77221644
In already and expert of the differences between men and women's sexuality.
I am already knowing in how the world is ran.
>>77213921
Who is this annoying cuck?

>>77222404
>It was shilled in every fucking thread.
You shilling it today is different from it being shilled in the past. Banning people preaching their shitty ideologies non-stop would do /fit/ a lot of good.

>>77222400
>I am the one arguing 2+2=4 and here you come
You're flooding the thread with incoherent preaching and lying more often than not. Stop.

>>77221771
You’re a nigger

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>>77221781
BASED

>>77213675
I've only read (tried to rather) Atlas Shrugged and it's just boring. It's a fucking slog. I got to page 7xx out of 1000 or so and just stopped. Nothing happens. The coolest thing I remember is the totally cool goodguy techbro libertarians have a secret valley base with some kind of infrared cloaking technology. Everything else is just blah blah blah.

>>77213462
>Atlas Shrugged
Whatever you think of Rand, you have to respect her for having actual beliefs and putting then into her book. As opposed to 21st century foids who only ever write about vampire billionaire werewolf minotaur vampire smut.

>>77222667
>As opposed to 21st century foids who only ever write about vampire billionaire werewolf minotaur vampire smut.
To be fair with Rand, for each page of exposing her ideologies, we get half a dozen of softcore porn.

I'd much rather read Mishima.

>>77222667
I arespect the latter more because at least you know what you're getting into. You picked up the book to read vampire billionaire werewolf minotaur vampire smut and you get vampire billionaire werewolf minotaur vampire smut. Meanwhile with Rand you picked it up expecting coherent philosophy, but what you get is smut with some poor incoherent attempt at philosophy sprinkled in. Imagine if you picked up a math textbook, but it's actually porn and the author says 2+2=5 every hundred pages or so.

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>>77213462