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Has anyone ever broken through a plateau by doing MORE volume? I've never heard of this happening yet that's what most "science lifters" recommend. Whereas I've heard tonnes of people benefiting from dropping volume and it also just makes more sense:
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>>77214027
Every single powerlifting program ever especially specialization ones have you do the most brutal volume and frequency possible for one or two specific lifts
It's not le science based it's the most tested method ever
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>>77214031
>you have to
Why?
>>77214063
>Every single powerlifting program ever especially specialization ones have you do the most brutal volume and frequency possible for one or two specific lifts
Countless people failed making any appreciable amount of progress doing just that, and there is literally no evidence of the merit of periodization for hypertrophy which is the main driver of progress to anyone who isn't an olympic weightlifter.
>It's not le science based it's the most tested method ever
It's not tested in isolation and the people that have had used it with success could simply be loading on drugs depending on the training block they're in.
Basically every single understanding of fatigue, recovery and stimulus in powerlifting training is flawed if not outright false.
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>>77214075
you can't just spam high volume forever and progress indefinitely, but you also can't spam low volume, low frequency, high intensity forever and progress indefinitely. Your body gets used to one training mode and stops getting stronger. You have to periodize these two modalities (plus speed work and deloads) to maintain long term progress. 3 or 4 weeks on each then switch.
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>>77214070
>Countless people failed
Ydntp
>periodization for hypertrophy
Who cares
No one ever mentioned it anywhere in this entire thread, plateaus in general fitness discussion refer to prs. As a natural your strength and muscle mass or/and density will always be proportional bar extreme 0,01% cases or long time lifters with crazy cns adaptation and leverages which is also 0,01% because everyone worth their salt roids by year 5 or even sooner so yeah you're right that there is no control population
And since you mentioned oly, they run both volume and intensity depending on the style bulgarian or soviet school or whatever and look jacked as fuck if my cesspool backwater shithole had proper competitions for that i would dedicate my life to it but as it stands pl is more interesting
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>>77214089
>you can't just spam high volume forever
And who said you could?
>>77214097
>just follow this magical structure that isn't actually designed around human physiology
>who cares about hypertrophy
You can't be serious.
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Yes bro absolutely. Your first move should typically be to deload but thats based on the assumption you are not doing mike metzer shit. I would think most people who lift like this would benefit from a period of increased volume and less weight to bust a plateau
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my traps suck, even tho I make them neck snaps. How do I actually get some nice traps (not sexual)
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>>77214027
It depends on the reason for the Plateau.
If you need more volume, then yes. If you need more rest, then no.
Its impossible to diagnsoe over the internet. You DO, however, probably need more protein from real food and more sleep. I would turn up the more sleep and more protein dials before changing up the training parameters of my program. You are on a strict training program/regimen, correct?
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>>77216605
Farmer carries, deadlifts/RDLS.
I hear rack pulls are pretty good for traps but I don't do rack pulls so I can't attest to that.
Anything that requires for your traps to keep the shoulder blades level.
I presume you are talking about that "mountain" look.