according to studies, 122% of tech workers would rather not work in tech

I don't see how any of you can say being a Sterile Processing Tech isn't a tech job. Anyways I'm loving my job security right now, it's great to be working a job that's ai in demand and knowing anywhere I go is hiring.

How about you other fellow tech workers?

today my whole workflow changes. no more IDE. terminal, AI agents, and github

i saw my supervisor use a LLM today for the first time. it was baffling. the malaise i feel still lingers even now.

>>108193353
scalpel busboy/diswasher is not a technology job

>>108193454
Neither is sitting in your mom's basement hoping you'll get a response from one of your applications

>>108193477
This is /twg/, the jobless losers would be in >>>/g/utwg/. I, for one, welcome our Sanitation Architects.

>>108193501
So any person who's been given a drive-by informing on any topic they've decided they should care about and assumed that the one piece of information on the topic that managed to stay in their head was everything anyone needs to know about the topic and must be true?

>>108193504
Yes, because in this thread we #BelieveWomen

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>>108193344
i absolutely do not want to work in tech anymore and my whole life was a mistake

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>almost done with the interview process for a company
>on the last interview they start going more in depth as to what exactly the job will entail
>I'm going to be cleaning up a bunch of shit other people did 20 years ago and modernizing the software
>codebases are mostly in python or java
it's... a lot of money for a zoomer though.

>>108193526
98% of software dev is fixing other people's messes. If you stick with it, in a couple years you'll get to make some of your own

Got a promotion today. Tc increase about 30k

>>108193526
get it in writing, zoomie.

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>>108193402
>5.2 is not fooled by your tricks
Yes it is fooled.

>>108193152
Where are your fucking parents bro i swear to god muttricans love to spread this meme since time immemorial

>>108193733
parents wont be around forever dude

>>108193733
My parents' house is already full with my dumbass siblings

The AI can't find the bug in our vibe slopped codebase anymore, so today I will check out a few dozen vibe slopped commits around the time the code was probably still working and see why it broke.
I don't even know if the correct code is in git, because people commit at random times now.

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i have 20 years of experience and I've been unable to get a job because i look like this

>>108193744
Then where did your income go? Where did your savings go?

>>108193781
Where do you live rn?

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>>108193944
wow that sucks man
on an unrelated note, how many threads have you made on /pol/ crying about looksmaxxing zoomers?

>>108193953
no that's not my style

Billionaires pits everyone making 100k a year to 10k a year

Honestly just having a job puts you above 80% of the population

You have aspirations to do, skill to get you by, money for independence, and time for hobbies

The fuck those unemployed retards do on the daily? Scroll goon and bicker on social media daily. Can't even enjoy a proper hobby and becoming constant disappointment to their parents.

Their parents are in their 30s 40s still making minimum wage and they themselves will never be able to reach their parents level.

If you have a job right now and use your entire free time doing jackshit that doesnt improve your identity like studying more, doing hobby projects that accentuates the degree that you have, connecting with other hardworking / talented people around you or above you and only mingle with what the unemployed retards do like scrolling, gooning, bickering on socials maybe you havent learned your lesson yet. Maybe you should just go back being unemployed.

>>108193944
you look like one of my company's directors

>>108193997
>Their parents are in their 30s 40s
stopped reading here
too much zoomerspeak

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Are there still jobs in tech? I keep hearing people say AI is replacing it all and I'm just starting my degree.
Is there a certain area I should specialize in to secure a future position or is it mostly a bunch of fearmongering shit again?

>>108193546
congrats anon, how did you do it? did you try really hard

AI has unironically made me more depressed than I've ever been in my entire life. I've put down weed and alcohol over the last couple years with no real plan to pick them back up (with the exception of concerts) but I'm thinking of using my new found energy to start a cult now that the castaways of humanity will need a leader. I'm trying to charismamaxx now that software developmaxxing is dead

>>108193944
don't even bother trying to diet the wholesome chungus way
hop on tirzepatide immediately. Not joking. There is nothing else that will save you.
Use your savings and fly to turkey asap to get a hair transplant. Or invest in a hair system (one of the $1,000 dollar toupees that last 6 months)
It's over for you. But if you stop being a retard and commit to it, it will be less over for you in 3 months from now.

>>108193944
who cares about a job... how do you live with yourself?

>>108193526
Fixing other people's unoptimized, spaghetti code would be the real test of your skills as a programmer. If you can do that well, you would have more worth than the vast majority of people in this industry.

>>108194025
Not really, I feel like I'm just efficient. I think I've worked less hours than most of my coworkers for sure, and then my boss says I'm doing great

>>108193546
Based, what were you doing and what do you do now?

>>108194194
I was an ic3 and now I'm an ic4. It's the same job, I'll just be trusted to lead more multi people efforts.

>>108193344
i love my job and find the work fulfilling

>>108193344
with all of this llm craze? yeah I don't want to work here anymore

>>108194024
LLMs won't but Actual Indians will

>>108194711
Haven't they also been saying that for 20 years?

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>copilot reviews suddenly giving good comments and finding complex errors across multiple files including unchanged logic
uhhh

>>108194883
>finding complex errors across multiple files including unchanged logic
It could also be hallucinating in an attempt to appease you. I use copilot (work pays for it) and sometimes i know exactly where the error is but i'll describe the problem and my troubleshooting steps to copilot anyway and on occasion, it decides to edit unrelated code or code in which i know isn't causing the error and I have to correct it
>and then i get the typical "Woah, you're right, it is coming from line X! Okay, here is how we can fix this"

>>108193331
Fixed my sleeping pattern for the first time in years during my time off and my productivity is off the charts. So much so that a coworker is telling me to put on the brakes. For the first time since school, I actually feel locked in and not sluggishly going through the motions. Is this what was missing? 10+ hours of sleep on a consistent basis is genuinely magic. The past 2 days, I've done a week's worth of work. I looked back at a painful bug that I gave up on over a year ago
>small edge case that was a time sink
>guy who wrote the code left
>custom functionality because the version for a 3rd party library is locked for the foreseeable future
Fixed it in an afternoon.
I know people say it all the time but fucking hell, sleep is really important.

>>108193526
What language are you going to be writing in? That's the important part really. I've ported over and refactored a bunch of stuff in the past, as long as you're good in the language you are writing in, it's not a problem.
>>108194124
This and also, for me at least, the most enjoyable work you do isn't adding new features but optimising existing stuff. 10x, 100x, and the rare 1000x or more improvements in speed for example are so fulfilling once complete. The other week I got a 3s API call down to 50-100ms.
>>108194024
AI will just improve efficiencies. As long as these improvements result in more growth, we're fine. Software at least has a bunch of headroom, even without AI, we have decades worth of automations to write that would replace menial tasks within white collar roles. AI when it comes to writing code is a lot similar to the introduction of package managers, googling answers, stackoverflow, etc. These are all just ways for us to use other people's code in order to get the job done. The thing with AI is that it's often buggy and wrong, more so than production ready widely used packages. Those external sources for code didn't take away our jobs, AI won't in that regard. Only look gloomy and sad once everything has already been built, works and is bug free
>maybe in 3000 AC
You'll never live to see AI take your job as long as you're more useful than an Indian junior dev. If you're not...I'm sorry that the inefficiencies in the market pre AI allowed for you to believe you were valuable in any meaningful sense, you were a script kiddy, a code monkey, a shitty chatbot that took too long and produced horrible code, we have a bot that does that now so you can fuck off.

>>108193744
Then theyll leave the house to you and youll be well off either way
Amerigoys' way of thinking puzzles me

If i rent a place closer to my job, i can effectively cut commute to just 15 minutes x 2 per day. I can pursue my digital art hobbies as much as 2 hours on weekdays.

If i dont rent a place closer to my job, i can use the money to buy the shit i always wanted when i was younger, upgrade my wardrobe, buy dakimakuras and shit, but i can only just go home to sleep, sketch a bit on my sketchbook, then only able to draw digitally on weekends.

What do fellas

tgif am i right fellas

Why do Reddit cscareer posters always tell college applicants considering CS that it's a good idea in current year?

>>108194944
no it was actual mistakes im not just blindly accepting whatever the ai says

>working 2 years minimum wage
>time to look for better opportunities i guess
>couple interviews
>"for this job we have a salary range of *minimum wage*

Fuck man. When does it get better in turd world?

Is tech all webshit + ai nowadays?

>>108195176
Often when you have trouble making a decision, either all options are shit or all options are equally good. So it doesn't really matter what you choose. Can't you stop being a rentcuckfag entirely? I rented for 7 years while house prices doubled and now I want to kms.

>>108195176
money

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surely thats sustainable

how does the word "AI" make you feel?

Is platform engineering a meme?

>>108195341
Businesses still don't know how to computer so CS is still the better option even though IT degrees are easier to complete. It is still the prefered degree.

>>108193952
>Where do you live rn?
Alone in an apartment

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>>108195703
avoid any kind of platform work

>>108195008
>Fixed my sleeping pattern for the first time in years during my time off
pls tell me how...

god i'm honestly such a genius it's unreal
i deserve to be paid at least double what i am now. i think i'll be asking for a raise. i'm just so god damn good at my job

>>108195171
>his parents didn't reverse mortgage the house to pay for more vacations in Cuba
heh ... enjoying being poor Eurocuck????

>>108196298
Do people actually do this in the US? Seems like brain damaged behavior.

>>108196298
not sure about europe, but that shit doesn't exist or isn't common in other countries. only a jewish vassal nation would make something like that available to its population, in order to destroy itself out of greed.

>>108196349
Nobody does this in Europe. If they did, it would only occur in the UK, but I doubt it happens even there.

>>108193944
I look like this but I'm employed as a software developer

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i look like this but i'm employed as a software developer

>>108196509
L O N D O N
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I have the best job ever if I get laid off I'm going to kill myself

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I have 12 months saved up i hope i don't get laid off. I have been making massive amounts of principle payments to my house in lieu of fixing it up and it's gonna suck if i lose my job.

I am vanta blackpilled since this isn't just affecting the US but instead the whole world is feeling it. Deflation soon btw.

is this where I ask coding questions? I need the help of the tampermonkey bros.

>>108196806
go to the /dpt/
>>108194628

Do you guys also run into stakeholders always nitpicking on proof of concepts and testing stuff? Like I showcase to our stakeholders how x,y,z can work but then they want me to redo the whole deck because they want to show case a specific user (the actual end user) in the slides instead of the test user or they don't like the specific wording of the field or something but they won't give an actual replacement and get you to think of alternatives.
Always dealing with these semantics stuff is starting to drive me a bit annoyed. I get it's part of the job but still, I just want to prove or push something that works. I really don't give a flying fuck if my deck says Bill or Alice but I don't want to redo the screenshots or edit the screenshots because Alice should've been on it instead.

>>108196829
are you a PM or something, it sounds like you have an even faker job than programming

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>>108193944
I look like this, and I mogged the looksmaxing tough alpha guy in my office because I’m the only one who can fix and install the network, plumbing, and electrical systems

>>108196846
I'm a Sysadmin. I thought I'd mainly be here to just create new functionality and test if the functionality works but they're making our group do the PMing/BAing/DEVing and they're spinning it in the guise of "Agile". I'm trying not to get bitter or annoyed over it but it's just I really don't giving a flying fuck if our projects do X or Y can our exec just make a fucking decision instead of making us do decks on why X or Y might be better?

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>>108196848
Thanks for the update furfaggot.

>>108196876
oh yeah that's not normal you don't get paid to make decisions, they need a PM

>>108196848
> the looksmaxing tough alpha guy
that's me, wanna fuck while you techmog me and demean me in private?

>>108196935
Fuck man, the worst thing about it is I can't even ask our end users about their opinions and thoughts are because they're either "too busy" or it gets "political".

>>108196848
please be a top

>>108196964
if I had to talk to anyone at work about vibes and PowerPoints I would kill myself. I leave that to the carpenters/divers/weedheads who've pivoted into PMing 3 months ago. Just give me tasks and I get them done, don't talk to me

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>>108196775
>I have been making massive amounts of principle payments to my house
noob mistake
>Deflation soon btw.
not how the system works

>>108196232
Why?

Why so much doom and gloom here?

>>108197187
Working on a platform pretty much always devolves into doing support work. Everyone who uses your platform will have problems, and they'll blame the platform immediately, and come to you with issues, and you'll have to investigate wtf their system was doing to break things, you'll have to tell them something terrible like their requests are invalid or something, and then they'll bitch at you for not supporting their niche use case, and that will be your whole life since you'll be oncall most of the time

>>108193944
>Mom, cancel my meetings!!

>>108194944
>the typical "Woah, you're right, it is coming from line X! Okay, here is how we can fix this"
This is the One Trick that the AI will never ever stop doing. We will be talking about this 3 years from now.

>>108197377
this guy knows

do you work on pet projects outside of work? I can't believe having work is my only exposure to programming that shit is soul sucking.

i'm so fucking tired
the world was a much better place without "ai"

>>108197485
what are you gonna do about it bitch

It's not AI that's the problem. It's white people grifters...

>>108197500
my vacation starts next month so i'll probably go to the mountains and get lost for 30 days

>>108197530
Sneed more work than you muhamed jeet.

>>108197466
>do you work on pet projects outside of work?
Yes.
>have an automation run server that performs webscrapping for me, but i havent touched the code in a while
>built a home server to test the deployment of a production stack, but also added containers to run MCPs and llama.cpp
>recently updated my banana pi r3 mini from openwrt v21 to v24 (had to build my own image to ensure eMMC can utilize the 8gb of flash memory), havent migrated all the apps over yet (i use it as a lightweight server, not as a router/firewall)
>wired my home for ethernet, 10 lines total with a patch panel in a 19U cabinet in my utility room
>have a service that mimics an SMTP server, completes the handshake, and redirects email alerts to an API endpoint (for older networked devices that can only send emails)

There is probably a bunch of other stuff but, yeah, i do a lot of projects in my free time, they are included in my resume, and my current employer liked my 'personal project' section so they hired me

im too tired for tech

>>108193331
a laptop with two (2) cd trays? now that's some serious hardware.

>>108197539
maybe not all white people but grifters in general. AI did nothing wrong, it's all these freaking scummy ass scammers

Daily humiliation ritual of looking at the same 10 job offers on LinkedIn

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>>108197632
Same its lifted the ceiling of work in terms of quantity but it allowed alot of garbage into the field. Across the board mind you not just one single niche job. Atleast for engineers they have more tools than ever and some of the older methods are still valid for certain projects. Even the AI integrations doesn't cut out the work that is needed to make qualified/certified(to the industry) products.

>>108197466
Used to, not anymore though. It's just a job now. Burned out on programming close to a decade ago. Remote, so I just try to travel and live life at this point.

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MLB offers 10k/year in education reimbursement.
What's the best way to use this money?
I'm thinking about grabbing MIT xPRO then seeing if I can grab a graduate certificate from Stanford/CMU/Berkeley next year

>>108197987
Quantum anything. Eventually they are going to figure out superconductors and room temp superconductors to make it possible.

my current alcohol allowance is one wine bottle per week.
i'm considering doubling this. not even the weekend will cheer me up anymore.

>>108198089
I had a point where it was a bottle a night after I clocked off.
Now, I wouldn't recommend that, but I don't think two bottles a week is a problem.

>>108198089
>>108198118
What do you drink? For me it's sweet white or port

>>108193944
Reta and fin, thank me later

>>108195630
All of Big Tech is betting on AGI making every position redundant so no point in hiring juniors anymore.

>>108198412
cheapest bottle of red i can find usually

>>108196509
If you live in Germany write me saar.

daily driver language?
daily driver booze?

for me, it's c# and vodka

powershell and white wine

>>108197466
I never actually programmed anything in my free time. Can't even be bothered to come up with ideas and my Claudo abo is way too limited to actually program an usable app for me.

>>108198006
>Quantum anything. Eventually they are going to figure out superconductors and room temp superconductors to make it possible.
Quantum algorithms are a meme for the foreseeable future.

>>108198476
Thats not the issue. The issue is you could miss the boat whenever investment train moves onto other things. Hell space related companies are finally getting investments due to spacex success and now we are talking about mining on the moon for the dust which can be turned into fusion fuel. Not to mention other asteroid mining methods being worked on. You could easily miss the boat like the rest of us did with LLM's/AI/chat bots ect.

>>108198520
If AI pans out then asteroid mining and eventually turning into a K2 civ becomes trivial. If we don't quite get there with current approaches in the next decades then yes it would be wise to monitor robotics.

>>108198537
Well speaking in general if you are apart of a top college then your goal should be getting into tech related clubs but most importantly the robotics club. Its gucci on the resume for your first job regardless if it's a job requirement. Exposure to skill random shit will help the resume so be sure to put these courses in it.

>>108198428
We are so far away from that Kek for all we know it's impossible and consciousness is a divine spark.

>>108198818
When you think about it it's absolutely surreal how jeets and grifters managed to destroy the whole tech industry in just a couple of years

>>108198412
Port is nice, but not really meant for that kind of drinking. I usually drank relatively cheap prosecco.

>>108198818
Something doesn't need to be conscious in order to be useful.

I want to ask for a raise but I know if these assholes fire me because I want to be paid more, I will be totally out of work since I barely have more than a year of experience and most of my connections work here. I’m underpaid and I just don’t know what to do

>>108199229
looksmaxx and become a trophy husband

>>108199257
I’m 6’4, white, long, dark curly hair and I’ve only ever had one woman lust over me in my entire life and she wanted to be the trophy wife if anything. I’m fucked

>>108199312
>dark curly hair
yeah you're fucked jew boy

>>108199335
My father is Greek and my mom is Italian you fucking retarded nigger

You've ever been demotivated by work but it's not even the whole I'm desperate to leave applying but it's just "meh whatever happens happens." Not really sure how to get out of this rut.

>>108199353
No one forgets the jewish colonization of sicily nigger.

>look what chatgpt did! :ooo
>anon if chatgpt can do it, an open source model can
>figure it out
I hate my life so much bros

>>108199353
Haha I'm just messing with you bro you probably have a better hairline than me

why does /g/ attract so much fucking gay lookism

>>108199353
bro is mad

>>108199380
They are all 45yr malding faggots. Best to ignore the retards pretending to be young(below the age of 35)

>>108199380
what else are we supposed to do? tech is dead all that's left is the human body

>>108195112
>You'll never live to see AI take your job as long as you're more useful than an Indian junior dev.
Well I'm only just starting, so what jobs and paths should I follow that are the least likely to be jeeted? I have my doubts they'd trust Indians overseas with any cybersec fro example but I just don't know.

>>108199398
>trust Indians overseas with any cybersec
Man do i have a blackpill to sell you and the ESL certifications to give you for that job.

>>108199388
I’m 25 and I just need one person here to tell me if I should either
>go to my boss and demand a raise with the risk of being fired because he’s a greedy gen x accelerationist zionist kike and doesn’t want to pay me (I make 50% more than a teenager at mcdonalds makes)
or
>just keep producing more value than anyone else here and just wait until a raise might come my way

>>108199424
Job hopping is the meta for getting a raise, unless you actually enjoy working at your job

>>108199429
I do enjoy working here. I graduated a little over a year ago and I’ve grown way more as a developer than I would’ve at a different company - I have a lot of ownership and independence here. However, I’m underpaid and with the current state of the job market, I’m unsure that I’ll be able to get a job elsewhere

>>108199417
I suppose it is too much to hope companies would think a bit more about security beyond the money. My old company very briefly had an outsourced Indian team and they fucked shit up so bad that the local team got rehired less than a year later after frustration reached a boiling point. Apparently the Indian team did a lot of weird shit like saying it was some Indian holiday and they weren't working that day if they were asked to do something or they'd say they fixed something they were asked to fix but actually didn't do anything at all and blamed whoever was talking to them for it still not working.

I guess my other question is, will companies ever tire of this back and forth? Mine did after a year but I have to wonder about others that either haven't dealt with it yet or are willing to just keep trying.

>>108199424
Job hop or bust. Even if its within the same company you need to shuffle through the jobs internally to get any real pay raise(15%-100%)

>>108199447
Its a cycle with a hint of government crackdowns. Cisco from my experience is playing with fire with their acquisitions of random companies and will bite them in the ass very soon since the US/EU/China are cracking down on the total pipeline of security concerns for these companies.

>>108199447
>Indian team did a lot of weird shit like saying it was some Indian holiday and they weren't working that day
KEK they did this in january in our company. All tickets were suddenly ignored for days with no warning and it caused a shitstorm.

>>108199486
It's strange, I feel like I'm deeply worried about outsourcing and yet at the same time like I really have nothing to worry about and it'll work itself out. Idk.

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>>108199522
Healthy concern. It keeps you on your toes so if shit happens you are already prepared for it. Covid was chill i had money and didn't get fired luckly.

>>108199522
>it'll work itself out
It will, but time is precious and I really don't have the time to spend my younger years sitting around waiting for this retarded trend to solve itself.

>>108199447
>>108199489
>Indians pretending its a holiday so they dont have to work
kek really?

>>108199539
Well it's made me think more about which areas I should specialize in, but I still don't know which ones I should do. Any tips?

>>108199540
Time is fine as long as you're employed for it, it would be worse to not have a job at all and be waiting for the trend to end.

>>108199549
MSP here contracts are wayy to lenient for cheap labor. They are now facing the consequences. If we have 1 hour of missed coverage it gets charged back to the company contracting us.

>>108199564
>it would be worse to not have a job at all and be waiting for the trend to end.
tbf I could be self-studying something tangible and valuable instead of being a fucking tech janny for jeets where i learn absolutely nothing other than hacky ways to circumvent jeet infrastructure that's unique to my company

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i hate this job so god damn much
i think i might actually throw up

>>108199446
Apply from a safe position but don't expect your boss to pay you more.

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Average career progression for programmers?

>>108200220
Typically thigh high socks, then HRT and finally surgery.

>>108200220
You either remain a heroic programmer or rise up and become an evil manager.

>another jeet got fired today
>that makes like 3 in the past year
is tech healing?

>>108200314
Who got fired? Only thing I saw today was one got hired as the CEO of Microsoft Gaming.

>>108200220
Only for programmers who do not adopt AI to enhance their lives 100-1000x.

>>108200013
What would you prefer to do? I don't like it anymore, but it's good money and I'm relatively good at it.
For me, that's about as good as I can imagine a job being, and the only way out of that is winning the lottery.

It's starting to really feel that I need to do everything myself because no matter how simple I relay a task to my team, it either snowballs into something stupid or they just don't fucking do it.

>>108200564
"If you want something done right, you gotta do it yourself"

>>108200564
Group projects during school should have taught you that important lesson. More so that you can never pass on work to anyone else. You boss however will always pass it onto those who can perform the work.

>>108200511
I'm good at the coding part, and designing systems
I am not good at the ops part, it's so fucking stressful, and our systems are such a complete shitshow that stuff is always breaking, we get so many alarms because the service essentially goes down for customers, and no one knows what to do about it other than make minor fixes, it needs a complete rethink but it's just not possible, and then you always get on calls with customer support, who are also on calls with the customers at the same time, and they're telling you
>the customer says, and i quote, if you're retarded fucking coders don't get our apps back up we're going to cancel the contract
>and i should remind you this is a $xxx million dollar customer
>please keep me updated
I have enough saved that I can leave. Telling my manager Monday morning. I know they'll try to keep me, maybe even offer me a different team, but I'm done with this company. It's only gotten worse since I joined. We already had several other departures in the past few months, I'm getting off the ship too.

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>>108197466
I did some pet projects to job hop into something I thought I cared about, but they ended up draining more energy than my actual job and made my work feel miserable, so I stopped

>>108197466
I used to, haven't had the energy in a long time. Maybe after the next time I get laid off I will.

I got offered a job paying 40% more than my current salary. My manager just asked me to stay and be patient. How do I stop feeling guilty for wanting to leave?

>>108201693
Put yourself first bro, the company would get rid of you at the drop of a hat if it was beneficial for them.

>>108201696
But what if I feel guilty.

>>108201707
Is your boss a good and solid guy? That's the only reason I stayed at one company. When they booted him over some utter bullshit, I got the fuck out almost immediately. I think it's good to stick around if the people you work with are good but if you're just whatever about it, don't feel bad about leaving. You can also try talking to him about a raise but mentioning another off could get you booted.

>>108201707
if someone wants the best for you (like most parents), they would encourage you to take the higher offer as a challenge. A great manager is one who can keep his people happy while working at depressed salary. Look at this way, if your manager is completely bro with you, then he has no problem hiring you back if you run into problem in your new place.

Saars did you do the needfuls this week?

>>108201810
qrd

I chickened out last minute because my boss was on the phone and I wanted to just grab a pizza for me and my mom for dinner. Fucking hell. I'll ask for a raise next week. Motherfucker keeps saying "we need to pay you more harharhar" THEN DO IT MOTHERFUCKER HOLY SHIT. I was talking to a coworker of mine who's also kind of my friend and he said "bro [boss' name] always says you're the golden goose bro". Well, money talks and I'm getting paid like shit and the people in positions to pay me more and treat me like their "golden goose" need to do a better fucking job

>>108201693
>>108201696
>>108201707
>>108201714
If you’re working at a publicly traded company, take the job. If not, trust your boss

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>interviewing with company
>been waiting for over a week to get back the results from my interview
>check their portal
>still not rejected
>check the application date
>I applied on 12/29/25
>It took them 7 weeks from the date I submitted my application to get an interview
>and I'll probably be interviewing with them for at least another month if I get an offer
so this is just the normal now? 3 months of ping pong with a company before getting an offer / rejection? Where is all of the HR money going?

>>108200220
Heinkelmaxxing -be completely pathetic but invulnerable because you have the Authority of Pride

>>108202822
sounds like good advice but can you elaborate? do you have prior experience

>>108203350
you have to wait until the insanely inflated grads graduate and that wave is over. There's been a crazy influx esp during COVID as if everyone expected life to be remote forever

>>108203350
>Where is all of the HR money going?
To trying to fix the problem of never getting good candidates by throwing more recruiters at the job opening.

Except all these recruiters are abusing the fuck out of ChatGPT which gives preferential treatment to ChatGPT abusing applicants which are never as suitable for the job as an actual good fit.

Companies that aren't harshly regulating the use of AI are going to keep piling up this debt until it gets too much and they'll have to downsize and will repeat the cycle until the AI meme finally dies in the recruitment process, or they go under.

>>108203352
is this the furfag strategy

>>108193331
I'm going to blow your fucking minds with something none of you are prepared for, and neither was I.
>nowadays if you want job security
>you must learn to speak a 2nd language
because Indians don't speak any other 2nd language except for English
it's come to this

>>108203494
honestly even without AI companies were already full of retards sharting out terrible code

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>we have some higher up at work showing us the impressive app he vibe coded in two weeks telling us how programming is dead
>is another glorified crud built with nextjs and default shadcn components

>>108193344
I should work on which job, then? All jobs are bad

our boomer cto is convinced "ai coding" is the new paradigm and said we're wasting our time (aka making the company lose money) if we're still writing code by hand and reviewing every single line of code we change
long story short, he's forcing all 100+ devs to use his shitty claude.md files and commit our sessions with claude code to the repos so he can build a "knowledge base" botnet style
is it time to jump ship? this timeline fucking sucks

why are we doomposting about claude so much today?

>>108204434
>ctrl + f claude
>2 posts (yours included)
?

>>108204372
>is it time to jump ship?
Absolutely. This sounds even worse than using AI agents to code.

Mum is making me non-fried non-French fries.

>>108204372
Our Ceo links to blogposts that say that in 10 years there won't be any office jobs any-more and introduced monitoring tools for the first time that record how much of the code you generate is made by AI.

>>108205218
boiled potato?

>>108205254
Oven fries (not fried though)

>>108204372
>said we're wasting our time (aka making the company lose money) if we're still writing code by hand
it's funny how in my experience it's the exact opposite, at least for now
claude is great but not perfect and I have to wrangle it 99% of the time that I use it
all that wrangling costs money, these API calls are not free
I estimated $1+ cost for each and every exchange I make with it even with a decent AGENTS.md file because it's simply not going to be efficient without actual memory
all that time it spends exploring the codebase every time, I could be working on the issue at hand and still getting it done but also getting more familiar with the codebase
the less familiar I am with the codebase, the worse the overall result will be
not to say I'm incapable of reviewing code but it's insane how that's all my job has become now, just code review

>>108205243
rofl I'm not anti AI but the fact that someone developped a tool like that, and someone went ahead and purchased it is funny

>>108205218
Fuck you

I've been working public sector out of college for a year now and it feels like a completely different world from what I hear most devs talk about.
It's software for internal use only, will have a few dozen users, Small team 3-5 devs at a time. I'm second in seniority despite only being here for a year, everyone pushes everything to the same branch, the only code review is the boss quick checking to make sure you didn't fuck anything, we only have test cases to detect catastrophic failures, the boss still manually does the patch every tuesday, the department actively tells us not to use AI and is only starting the bureaucratic process of considering to allow it in a very limited capacity.
Just sounds like a different universe from when I read highly experienced devs talking about how they just tell claude to generate the code and then push it after a quick glance at it, but then again I can't tell I think a lot of those posts are actual shill bots
idk am I in a crazy situation or is the internet fooling me

Now that I’ve spent 4 years straight on the funemployment carousel. I’m ready to settle with a nice 9-5 job in an air conditioned office setting :)

>>108200220
denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance

>>108206316
kek

>>108206316
Job machine broke, sorry

My job has consumed my life, I left the woman I was with because i didn't want to quit, I barely see let alone talk to family anymore, I think about it day and night and when i don't work, i'm in love with a coworker and i think it's mutual, i have also started a forbidden substance.I only buy random shit with my money.

>>108206359
many are saying this

>>108206157
>Just sounds like a different universe from when I read highly experienced devs talking about how they just tell claude to generate the code and then push it after a quick glance at it, but then again I can't tell I think a lot of those posts are actual shill bots
>idk am I in a crazy situation or is the internet fooling me
I have two senior friends who regularly use Claude. One works for a large company on a highly complex codebase and he says Claude gets it right most of the time but he still has to regularly intervene. The other one is a freelancer who works on small-to-mid sized projects and he says Claude does 95% of programming for him already but he obviously knows what is correct or not because he is principal dev level.

>>108206359
dude same
>I left the woman I was with because i didn't want to quit
Relationship fizzled out 2 months back because my job drains all my energy and I have no choice but to work this one. Since then I managed to get a bit of my soul back simply by having time to sleep and practice some hobbies again.
>I think about it day and night and when i don't work
Not this I think about suicide day and night instead
>in love with a coworker
No but there's 3 that are in love with me and I don't want anything to do with them outsides of work relations
>forbidden substance
Same [spoiler]alcohol and creatine[/spoiler]
>I only buy random shit with my money
Same, any cool suggestions? I've been buying a lot of clothes. Pierre Cardin jeans are insanely good quality for their price. They're often priced down so you can get them for like 60 euro instead of 130

>>108206409
Bro i can't stop buying expensive clothes, i then buy a lot of games too, that i do not even play with because i simply don't have the fucking time nor energy. This life is completely fucked, I really hope my coworker does like me at least, that would change a lot for me, well give me a sense of meaning somewhere, in all of this.

>>108206431
>games
All new games suck so much all I play is retro stuff from PS1 and PS2 era. I did start paypigging for a Nutaku game a little bit but my money keeps going up despite all this

>>108206450
Based. I already had all the good PS1 and PS2 games I bought when new, but I've been getting into vintage PC games through GOG. I got the original Deus Ex for $2 and it's really good.

I own 3 pairs of khakis and 3 polos for my 3 in-office days. All my other clothes are ones I kept around from highschool and almost all of them have a hole or two but I don't care because I only left the house twice in the past 6 months other than going to work and the grocery store, which I do right after work. I spend a couple hundred a year on entertainment and the rest goes straight to savings
I hope I can hold onto this job for at least another 5 years until I'm 30 because I know this one is the end of the line and that should give me enough savings to live out a dog's life in my parent's house without needing to do wagie work.

I just wear death metal and black metal tees to work and no one gives a shit. My boss loves me (I think, can't tell with normoids because they're all two-faced)

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Have there been any books that helped you get a better job after you had been working for years?

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>asked to help around with short-term project with another subsidiary
>tons of people from all over the world
>meet jeet from the UK, help to setup some stuff
>time passes
>get memo: "immediately remove Jeet from all further emails regarding this project"
>apparently he's been claiming other people's work as his own
thankfully i'm above this kind of shit. i just go to the office and do what's required of me

>>108203350
>so this is just the normal now?
no.
they probably hired someone else, he did a shit job and got canned in 2 weeks and kept you around as sloppy seconds

>>108206846
i aint reading books

>>108200314
racism

>>108207049
saar

>>108193344
Can confirm this and the mian driver is users and managers who are boomers and hardly know how to fucking open up a PDF.

>>108193331
Anons, im having a fucking mental crisis here.
I got a degree in CS engineering.
I have worked in the tech field since....2014?
Im a "Senior Database engineer" and i feel like such a fucking fraud, I just basically manage databases, and hardly do any actual fucking coding or script writing. When i do its specifically to automate my shit so i can do it less.

Im fucking terrorfied if i get fired or laid off because i dont think ill get another tech job.

>>108206569
I just wear random shirts and pants to work. In the end, it doesn't matter in the slightest.

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>>108206569
I have Olive Green cargo work pants from truspec, a mix of Uniqlo and Golfing polo's and never once wore my button downs or jeans unless i go to a work function or go on dates with women. Work wise i wear winter boots and cowboy boots. People wear whatever clothes they want in my area but the rule of thumb is no shorts, sandals or regular shirts ie must have a collar. Its nice that companies have laxed on jean policy since alot more people wear jeans than any other style of pants but i like my breathable cargos.

>>108206846
JavaScript The Definitive Guide was pretty much the bible for JavaScript for me. Usually most programming books fucking suck but this one was on par with The C Programming Language.

>>108207256
Upgrade your position into devops asap.

>>108207458
Upgrade into a position getting hit harder by automation than anything, great idea.

>>108207482
devops has always been about automating exactly enough to not put yourself out of a job

>thank goodness we hired Le DevOps Guye to make us an automated process to do THE BUILD and SCALE HORIZONTALLY automagically instead of having to make someone do overtime once every few weeks to spool up a new instance or read a compiler error
>but too bad we need Le DevOps Guye to unfuck the process every few weeks

>>108207482
many jobs could have been automated with python prior to ai but werent

>>108207637
99% of actual productivity can be automated with excel and/or an rs232 card

>going through interview prep
>recruiter lady is giving advice
>she says after finishing your "about me" answer at the start of an interview to turn it around and ask the recruiter what they're looking for in a candidate for the role
sounds like a good idea or a disastrous plan?

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My job is to run the automation, elmao

enjoying the weekend, /twg/?

>>108209097
so far, not a single second of it

>>108193331
>be me a sysadmin doing industrial IT
>boss approaches me wanting me to see if I can replace our access control system
>researched some solutions, got a quote to diy, and boss approved
>fast forward a couple months later after running the whole thing and I accidentally found out on unrelated google search its illegal to install access controls without a license
lol, lmao even

24-year boomer dev manager here. My senior team is having a breakdown because Claude made their "clean code" and optimization autism obsolete. They know management is pushing LLMs to replace labor costs, not just for the "productivity" meme. I'm trying to gaslight them into thinking being a "prompt conductor" is a career upgrade, but they know they're just verifying AI slop now. How do I convince them their craft isn't dead when I know the suits are just waiting to replace them? Is manual coding actually over or are my guys just luddites refusing to adapt to the new workflow?

>>108207834
I got a for funsies interview on monday ill try this and get back to you

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>>108193344
I like my job. But it's never been my end goal, just a means to an end. I feel grateful to have a job I dont hate.

>>108193344
I hated my job at first, but now I’m at a stage where I’m fine with it. Still, I’m not sure if they’re going to keep me around, since I already said I won’t stay long and I don’t show much enthusiasm anymore like for now I’m just doing my job

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>here are your vested shares bro

>>108209080
It's not about retiring, it's about the future being bleak and you'll be needing lots of money to cope with it.

>>108209660
>Is manual coding actually over or are my guys just luddites refusing to adapt to the new workflow?
I don't think we are quite at professional PR-reviewer level yet where you just paste the requirements into the agent and it'll solve it perfectly for you.

i could be neetbuxing
why am i working

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>play around with Claude Code for a month
>use it secretly to do most of my work during the last week (we're not allowed to use AI at work)
>it gives perfectly working code most of the time with only minor issues
>planning phase is literally 90% of the work, after that the produced code is better than most of what my teammates can do
>for a fraction of the time and friction
It's over.

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It’s almost fucking monday, and I have to go through this five more times before I feel okay again

>>108209660
Start by killing yourself.

>>108211418
So what's your plan when you get fired?

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>>108211485
I'm trying to make side projects work with my CTO friend, we're the only two guys that are bullish about AI in my company, everyone else is ignoring it.
It probably won't work, I'll become a homeless hippie.

>>108211500
Don't see how it could work when anyone can generate code. Why would they pay you to do it?

>>108211728
You underestimate just how lazy the average normie is.

>>108211418
I'm trying to get at least Mistral or the Chinese models running locally on ollama approved by our company because AI doesn't need to be perfect in order to help me solve problems faster. Especially when it comes to writing tests which I hate.

>>108193331
I’ve never worked in real CS just basic bitch desktop support slave because I have no degree. If I form my own LLC under a fake name & “work” there through college for fake experience will most hiring managers catch a lie like that or are they as uncaring as the average Anne Hathaway HR lady?

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think i got like 3 hours of sleep last night
rest of the time just staring at the ceiling wishing i was dead
i hate this fucking job so much

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>>108211859
>I'm trying to get at least Mistral or the Chinese models running locally
You're simulating a helicopter carrier/amphibious landing assault ship?

>>108194820
It's been true over the last 20 years.

You zoomies don't know but this is just what the job market was after 2008. It just got worse and worse because since we live in a communist country companies got subsidies to not hire white men and now we are at the end stage of that process, and it won't ever get any better because literally every single figure at every step in the ladder does not want to hire white men.

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Is it possible to get a job supporting something that just works?

>>108213140
nothing "just works" because users exist.
>>108207458
Thats a fair point. Im still just stressed im completely here in my position by pure fucking accident.

I thought abouttrying to move into management if i could. wont disclose my company, but we have a lot of properties around the US woud love to do property work rather then corporate which im currently in.

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What do you guys think that SWE will look like in 2030?
I think that AI coding tools will continue to improve and we're going to end up in a world where we have a senior SWE supervising and reviewing the code from 3 AI agents
My current workflow is:
>dump repo into Cursor
>use Cursor to help me triage the problem
>come up with solution
>tell Cursor what I want to implement
>review code and make minor stylistic tweaks
>use Gemini to help me steelman my implementation and ensure I made the right choice

>>108213313
I think its gonna be the same thing its always been.
>Get code base
>Have to unfuck said code base to work

>>108193526
I actually enjoy being a code janny.

>>108213296
>nothing "just works" because users exist.
I had a whole thing typed up but I'm just coping because we do not live in The Future. things still break, and break in inconsistent ways, and we just have to be around to try to push enough buttons to fix it.

It's just annoying. I can only say "fight through it" so many times before asking why the system just doesn't fucking work consistently and why people on the ground who have their own certs and experience aren't banding together to create new actually usable solutions. I'm tempted to just let go of it all and remuster to infantry. Or maybe "combat engineering" or something.

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Every time an application or device goes gold, it should have an actual user from the field use it. Every time they are annoyed by a UI/UX decision, they should get to punch the lead engineer once as hard as they can. If it hangs for longer than some contract-specified time that is "operationally relevant" they get two shots. Every time it crashes outright, you get a donkey kick.

>>108213372
The reality and depressing thing about working in IT and working in any capacity where you interact with users is.

Even the simplest tool a user will manage to fuck up, or cause a problem in a way you never thought was possible to ever do. To the point of, you are almost not even mad you are completely impressed beyond words that they could fuck up that impressively.

This is why im not sold on AI taking over everything. AI assumes some sort of base level user intelligence, but i think if AI actually operated under the assumption of how fucking stupid the average user can be, it would just commit suicide.

>>108213395
So Win11 designers would just end up looking like they fought an MMF fighter.

>>108213330
I don't believe the 'nothing is going to change' narrative. AI coding tools are a huge shift in abstraction and have gone from writing gibberish in 2023 to one-shotting most tickets in 2026.

>>108213433
I think nothing is going to change in the sense of a macro scale.
>A new tool comes along
>You still need people to mantain the new tool
>You still need people to train the new tool
>You still need to trouble shoot the use of the new tool
>Users will still fuck up the new tool.
Its just a matter of the effort is going to shift to a new place.
When you got new dev tech its not like jobs magically vanished, they just shifted their focus.

The ultimate thing is, corporations are still massively bloated so you can have all these new fancy tools, and shit like AI coding, but it still needs to move at half the speed of smell because of corporate litigation.

>>108213433
>one-shotting
People who say this sound like absolute faggots, I hope you know that.

>>108213469
I care very deeply about Anonymous's opinion of me, I will make sure to never displease him again

>>108213458
To add to this there is the big problem of AI is still not profitable.
It takes massive amounts of power and money to run AI at this point and there really still is no justification of cost for it over a person which is the ball buster here. Everyone is using it because its kinda running on pure fucking momentem at the moment, and resistance is finally starting to catch up. people are finally asking "Ok so where the pay off here?"
AI is not replacing anyone yet, its not able to fufill the tasks needed at a reliable enough rate and even if it was, its not cost effective enough yet either.

I think AI is super cool, but it kinda lacks direction at the moment, it lacks a reason or profitable application at the moment.

DESU AI kinda strikes me as the same way that "BIG DATA" was all the craze and even today still has not been really utlized as much.
Everyone everywhere wanted to gather every big of information they had on customers and users and everything, and so you have this massive fucking data store of informaiton, and then it becomes a case of a dog that finally caught its tail.
"Ok....now what do i do?"
AI is reaching the point of a dog finally catching its tail "Ok i have this great AI system....now what do i do with it?"

>>108210242
>he didn't bet on Rheinmetall is early 2022

Your loss. Quite literally.

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Actually I went into the unit --I'm a reservist-- and on a whiteboard was something about "learning" and "teaching" some new tactical radio. That model is not tactical, and it's easy enough to use when there's a manual, but those of us familiar with it know that it is "unergonomic". It just gives you really bad feedback (as in user experience stuff) and is generally slow, but was issued to us under the guise of being a high-speed long-range tactical solution. When really, it's basically just a satphone you don't have to dial a number for because the "number" programmed into it, and can't change it when you need to.

I was mad for years that they got their panties bunched up about "blue force tracking" but wouldn't even get AIS units for the boats until last year; still haven't had word back on what came of that, though I guess if they did it properly I'd be able to find them on one of the gorillion tracking websites

>>108213424
Yes and GOOD
lusers are pathetic beings but they exist and have needs, and we are there to fulfill those needs
>Even the simplest tool a user will manage to fuck up, or cause a problem in a way you never thought was possible to ever do.
that is fine and should be captured for Rev 2 if not being the subject of a hotfix

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>>108213501
the only bet i'll put on rheinmetall is that they will be able to cover me for my assault

>>108213313
What I expect:
>AI documents requirement meeting
>you have to manually tell AI what to fix in the requirement documentation
>you have to tell AI agents to work on backend and frontend to implement said requirement
>AI asks a couple questions and then implements the solution
>you have a deep understanding of the codebase and can tell AI what to fix
>give PR to another AI for review
>manually look into things it points out, refer feedback to implementing AI
>finish task, tell Ai to document it
Anything beyond that and we've effectively achieved AGI anyway so no human is needed (robotics will also replace all blue collar jobs).
I expect the number of software dev jobs to still decrease.

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quitting my job to become air crew so i know what the fuck they're trying to say when they say some feature doesn't work right and the part of the sim marked for it still reports it's OK

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I sent my coworker crush a long ass text in the evening to tell her how shit things are in my department and how it's affecting me, she asked me for coffee the next morning to talk about it, then she suggested we should have coffee again tomorrow because we didn't get to spend enough time together due to fucking meetings.

I can't believe it's fucking happening

>>108213616
you're either going to get fired or raped. gg

>>108213494
>AI is not replacing anyone yet
It absolutely is wrecking white collar jobs even today. The job market for translators has been decimated.

>>108213644
I have seen more jobs taken from americans by H1Bs then i have AI.

>>108213656
Two things can be true at the same time.

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>>108213656
It's a two pronged attack, encircle and slaughter

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>>108213677
>battle of cunny

From Wednesday or Thursday I checked out all commits of the last 2 weeks, because the team was completely certain that at least one of them was bug free. They all had the same bug.
I think some vibe coder doesn't understand how git works, or they just let their AI commit for them automatically. Maybe there was some working version locally in their changes, but now it's gone. Time to rewrite a bunch of stuff and generate all the data again.

>>108213677
Why do I get made fun of for my half-decent rifle scores then?

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You have 10 seconds to explain why you're mean to the IT department.

Did whoever made Claude send like a metric fuckton of their bots to shill on every corner of the internet sometime in the past 2 weeks? I've seen so many inorganic fucking posts

>>108213936
wrong thread
was meant for twg
but fuck it dont give a fuc kanymore

>>108213960
thank you for reminding me that i should eat. brb klarnaing an uber for my avocado toast (only half joking i am motivated to pay 50$ for a single 12" dominos pizza rn)

>>108213984
why? just dont eat

>>108211728
>Don't see how it could work when anyone can generate code. Why would they pay you to do it?
You realize they were saying this since the 1950's, right? "In 5 years we won't need techies anymore. COBOL is so intuitive the accountants will write their own programs." and now my department has over 100 devs maintaining the labyrinthian Mainframe codebase and a similar number trying to replace it

I am still employed.

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>>108214004
How will I have the energy to ride to work to turn it on or off and then on and off again through snow and rain storms if I don't eat?

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>>108214019
Same. Very unfortunate. We'll make it someday.

>>108213920
Anthropic's boss hates Sam Kikeman so Anthropic is good in my book. I am actively rooting against OpenAI and hope they crash and burn.

>>108214057
that day will never come

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>>108214084
I should have just become a fuckin chocolatier

i resisted the urge to use my work computer to slack too hard but lately i've been getting "lazy" but been watching shitty youtubes that wanna be documentaries. should i just give up and stroke out in my chair listening to Ace Combat videos

>>108214096
shieeet niqqa dat sum tom clancy hawx shiet
ayooooo

>architect creates a small pull requests that violates the O in solid in quite an ugly way
>give a solution to make it solid
>goes into an hour long discussion defending his shit decision
I get so sick of people with a higher role going into these shit discussions defending their shit decisions because they are too lazy to create a fix that takes 15 minutes.

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>anon, acoustics and electro-optical are down again
I BET THEY ARE, NAME EVEN ONE TIME THEY HAVE EVER BEEN UP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rYGFTVXDSE

>>108214112
ERS was such a fucking bad system and dedicating a whole mission to it was a mistake. also Assist-Off not forcing you into cockpit view was dumb as hell, and i know they probably wanted to do it, because that exact behaviour (normal play any camera you want, assist-off is cockpit forced) is LITERALY a lobby-wide setting in multiplayer

>tfw no ps3 so couldn't enjoy AC:I
a-at least i managed to rent a copy of Electrosphere from Blockbusters as a kid inbetween getting pwnt by my dad in F/A-18 Corea

>>108214159
electrospheres probably boring as fuck
some shit ass namco garbage they shat out while high on sucking theyir own chinese retarded manchild dick

>>108214180
despite wat /v/ memers will tell you it was honestly fucking still stick as hell and still had that one mission in space where you only have a "nose gun" that's fucking laser beams to avoid Ulysses Part Two

the plot made no sense but for the localization that almost killed the franchise it was still incredibly fucking good and motivated me to buy AC6 once I had my own pocket money to buy a game for only "still wrapped" price instead of "internet weeb tax included" price like Zero, 4, and 5 had at the time (on top of just not having market penetration to find random copies at EB Games when it still existed)

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>anon why have you not been showing up to the unit
>I got a job in the MIC


looking forward to talking to a particular officer about getting time off from my MIC job to attend to another MIC job and how it would be so profitable to both because I am learning so much through my MIC job that I can take to my MIC job and really it's all from the same pockets because my MIC job is paid by the taxpayer and my MIC job is paid by the taxpayer but if anyone really complains the taxpayer can pay my MIC job for the lost productivity from my MIC job

>>108213656
One reason I think jobs will be slow to go is that the world is still not readily set up for everything to be automated. Many services don't even have APIs or access to them is gatekept. Yes you can automate without APIs, but then you're dealing with anti-bot worries etc.

>>108214009
Yeah I know. I was sarcastic when I wrote that. I just like to fuck with "ermagehrd it's skynetttt, it's overrrrr" people.

>>108214257
feels like half my job is convincing people that their idea of a problem isn't really a problem and to pipe the fuck down.

I don't get you, you fags. you could build some shitty replacement for facebook, twitter, 4chan or whatever (yes, I know it's not that simple, but I don't mean a literal copy, just something similarly impactful), you could build new communities, interesting new ways of solving problems for specialized/local/global communities, whatever.
why the fuck do you faggots don't do just that? you have this AI bullshit now that you could use to improve your productivity, so you could bullshit your way into building shit fast and making people depend on you later.

>>108215480
You need Venture Capital to afford networking hardware and servers.

>>108215566
I'd guess not if you start small and immediately monetize your application. or maybe ask for donations or whatever. I mean, you could be transparent to your users about costs, and include your expected income in that..
also, cheap VPSs exist. just optimize your shit, man.
am I wrong?

I never feel like doing anything Sunday evenings. Like after I eat dinner that's it.

>>108213616
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOO
we're all rooting for you here

>>108215605
No not necessarily. But shit is expensive regardless of how cheap you try to be.

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Living is expensive.

>>108215749
your mom is cheap, though

>>108214804
the shills are too retarded to satirize