>Budget
100-150 euros
>Location (continent at least)
Europe
>Preferred switch type
hot swap/browns
>Layout
ansi
>Form factor
75%
>Backlight
no


Considering a tofu65 but im wondering if I can get something 75% thats decent a little cheaper. I do want aluminum so I don't know if I'm asking too much. Don't want a prebuilt as I already have caps I'll be using.

I don't get why people pay for 60/40% keyboards, having no F keys is detrimental for 90% of usecases. At least 75% I could tolerate, everything below is just usable for game and probably not even that, some games use f keys.

>>108246847
my function layer is bound to my spacebar. accessing f-keys is trivial and arguably easier and faster than having a physical f row because i never have to leave home row anymore

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>TEX Shura 65%
anyone ever tried the thinkpad tribute keyboard? how is the build quality is it sturdy with thick boy bigguns

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nth for morandis

>>108246966
If it's 65% it's acceptable, now arrow keys are not comfortable at all if you need them, especially for a game.

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>spent $600 on 14wpm
fuck

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>thought about an F104
>now I realize Joe has a F122
fuuuuuuuuUUUUUUUUUCK

>>108247382
You'll back up to your normal wpm soon enough. Took me about 1-2 weeks when I first switched to an ergodox.

>>108247382
it cost $425 when I bought it. is the price higher because of tariffs or did you pay in non-american dollars?
use glorious engrammer btw

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>>108247505
a big part of the WPM drop is that i used to basically not use my pinky/thumbs at all except for hitting the space bar and control keys. but im up to about 80wpm after about an hour of practice.
how are you liking the ergodox? any reason you picked it over the glove80 or other options?
>>108247738
my bad i remembered $600 but it was actually $500. bought extra keycaps and they ship from a different location so extra shipping costs.

>>108247793
>how are you liking the ergodox? any reason you picked it over the glove80 or other options?
I've since switched to a dactyl a few years ago. the column offsets on the dactyl actually makes it comfortable to hit the q and p keys with my pinky whereas I hit those with my ring finger on the ergodox.

>>108247793
Neat, that's the same model of glove80 that I have. Regrading ergodox, there are several reasons why you might choose one over the glove80:
- you got it before 2022 and the glove80 did not exist yet
- you made it yourself (ergodox is open source and you can diy it. Glove80 is proprietary)
- you want mx switches
- you hate choc v1 switches (personally I think the cherry blossoms are very nice though)
- you want hotswap
- you want to run qmk instead of zmk
- some other esoteric reason

Personally I have no regrets with the glove80.

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Drop is being killed to be rebranded as Corsair's shill hub for crossover stuff like the Marvel and LOTR keycap sets that sell like shit

Last day to order from Drop.com is March 25th,get any MT3 sets you wanted while you can

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wtf these captchas are getting out of hand...

>>108248278
rest in piss. Wonder what the hell is going to happen with the normal (aka not IP tie-in) MT3 sets from now on.

>>108247394
why does this have so many F buttons

>>108248538
That's how IBM keyboards used to be, and internally Windows still recognizes the F13-F24 keys.

>>108247211
I don't even use my dedicated arrow keys. space + hjkl is more convenient.

>>108247211
for you

>>108248278
>ordered one of the last BoW MT3 sets for $40 a few days ago just before it sold out completely
>it probably won’t ever restock again
feels good

Maybe I should build a unibody split, would be easier to use in bed.

>>108247018
arrows are like 0.95u or something retarded. i hate anything with non-standard key sizes

>>108245289
Are Model M keyboards are meme if you aren't nostalgia fagging?

>>108249412
Buckling spring keyboards are really good, sort-of feels like somewhere between a tactile switch and a linear switch on an MX board.

>>108249412
Are Model M keyboards a meme*

>>108249412
Nah. I'm not a nostalgia fag and I own both an SSK and a Model F XT. They're both fantastic boards. They have a deliciously subtle tactility and are very smooth.

That being said, I wouldn't ever use them exclusively for gaming ever. They have hysteresis so they're a bit tiring to game on. Top tier for typing, though.

>>108246847
>2026
>niggers still cant into layers
>technology board

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Friendly reminder that any other keyboard is literally mental illiness.

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>>108248376
Install it using 'violent monkey' or related:
https://pastebin.com/8SjK5PMs

You're welcome.

>>108250077
Thank U.. Nazi-kun.. :)

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>>108250302
Fuck jéws and their tricks to make you buy a 4chån päss :)

Does anyone name their keyboards? I named my work keyboard Brother.

>>108250048
>spanish
>no hyper/super

>>108250485
Just ignore the big ass enter key. That wikipedia pic was the best pic i had ready to post

>>108245289
What are those keycaps? Are they part of the prebuilt?

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I've had a keyboard sitting in its box unopened for two weeks now

I wanted to do a whole video thing about modding it etc. and since I keep putting off doing that I also put off opening the box

>>108251129
Reverse image search.
CSA Red Warrior.

>>108245289
>Switches arrived at the airport.
>Scheduled delivery: March 4th.
WHY FEDEX, WHY???
YOU FUCKING NIGGERS.

Anyhow, how is your weekend going /mkg/?

>>108249625
I want some cheap but reasonably quality 60-65 kit, like the Eave 65, but with a simpler design. So about 50 bucks for base. Any recs?

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>>108250048
Any other layout than 100% ANSI is a mental illness.
Variations to the bottom row as well as extra keys are permitted, but anything less than this is a mental illness
>lmfao bro how can you not use layers bro
Because layers are fucking retarded and require you to retrain your muscle memory just so you can do work on your faggoty ass keyboard (HHKB pioneered this cancer)
>lmfao bro just get a 96% bro why not
Because, again, it forces you to retrain your muscle memory just because some faggot decided to shift away some keys (or hide them under layers after they got thrown off the board) just to save a few centimeters of width. I don't live in some claustrophobic prison and I have enough desk space for a battleship board, so just give me a keyboard with a layout my fingers have been trained to use ever since I was a five year old kid tapping away at my parents' laptop.

>>108245289
What are those caps?

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>budget
anything is fine as long as I can get it on a return friendly platform like amazon
>location
Canada
>switch types
don't care
>layout
don't care
>backlight
don't care
>form factor
this is the hard part ... I've been looking for a wireless keyboard with a trackball attached (where the numpad would be). I like using my computer with the keyboard on my lap but I have to constantly move my hand for the mouse.

Is such a thing available anywhere? I've found nothing but chinky media keyboards with tiny clitballs

>>108251129
>>108252211
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0F6525TLZ

>>108245289
Budget 70-80 euro. Full size keyboard, Numpad, End, Home and Print screen buttons are needed. Silent no blue switches maybe red or something similar. Low travel, low profile preferred but not mandatory. At the moment I'm looking to keychron k5 pro but the price vary greatly, where it is in stock it is out of budget and I read they have QC issues and die more often than cheapo keyboards like ajazz ak980 that cost half the price. Is there something better?

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Incelcore

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>>108254203
>mfw no Ryan Gosling keycaps

>>108252084
>Because layers are fucking retarded and require you to retrain your muscle memory just so you can do work on your faggoty ass keyboard
you have to do that regardless. the muscle memory you’re retaining might as well be the most efficient way to get things done and that’s objectively making use of layers

>>108251332
Thank you anon

>>108252084
Correct.
>>108249929
Wrong.
>>108246966
Wrong.
>>108254622
Wrong.
You wouldn't mutilate your fingers, why settle for less than literal 100%?
You're all wrong, and you're all closet trannies for being so wrong.

>>108254830
>why settle for less than literal 100%?
because getting the same functionality from within homerow is literally, objectively faster and more convenient than have to leave homerow entirely and move your arm over just to press a single key before moving it all the way back again

you could make an argument that if you spend lots of time typing in numbers, a numpad is worth it and i could see that being the case, but nav cluster, arrows and f-row all benefit from just being put in a layer that keeps them closer to where your hands actually rest than having dedicated keys sitting outside of the 60% range. maybe you’re a faggot retard with brainworms, incapable of forming new connections in your brain to do basic motor control but that’s a (you) problem

i have a question
if you use a keyboard without the "F" keys and a game requires them without allowing rebinding, what would you do?
i'm interested in the small 60% keyboards, but i wonder what i would do if i need the f keys in a context where i can't use 2 buttons to turn the numbers into f keys

>>108255679
>and a game requires them without allowing rebinding, what would you do?
Few options

1. Switch to a different keyboard. It's good to have a backup that isn't 65% or whatever.
2. Make a dedicated layer on my keyboard that has the keys in places I want. Switch layers when I play this game.
3. Use FN+1/2/3/etc. if the game doesn't require these keys frequently or quickly

>>108255679
the key bindings with via are on the firmware level. you just use the layer and the game can’t tell the difference between a physical key and a layered one

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>>108252084
>Because, again, it forces you to retrain your muscle memory just because some faggot decided to shift away some keys
I learned this myself recently. I got an Aula F99, perfectly decent keyboard but the smaller zero key on the numpad has been an annoyance, and it turns out I use the print screen key relatively often and I miss it. Just ordered the 100% equivalent F108.

>>108246847
I genuinely have no idea what people are using the function keys so much for. Whenever I do need them I just hold down the Fn key and press the number.
>aha but you have to use your right hand by default!
Everything function keys do can be accomplished by clicking the mouse somewhere. If the whole point of F1-12 is to make navigation a keyboard based experience, then for someone like me why wouldn't both my hands already be on the keyboard on the first place? The function row is redundant.

>>108247211
>arrows
I hate this argument down to my soul. I can't think of a single game I have ever played where you can't use WASD like a normal person. Arrow keys are yet another relic of the past.

Every anti 60% is the same
>BUT BRO THAT KEY YOU USED 0.01% OF YOUR 100% KEYBOARD'S LIFETIME IS GONNA MAKE YOU REGRET DOWNSIZING, JUST WAIT YOU'LL SEE

>>108255860
Many mod menus require arrows and f keys, a couple gta games, isaac at the top of my head use them.
Speaking personally, not the end of the world, it's rebindeable.
NOW, for my usecase, I work with excel and I use the arrow keys to move all the time from cell to cell. It's jarring not having them - Totally kills productivity on the long run.
Perhaps you don't need them, but I find them useful and it's not just for leisure.

>>108256077
Just to add to this: I use f keys + fn to use all multimedia options for music, muting and unmuting my microphone, speakers, multimedia playback, as well as enabling software like OSD for games that I test or whatever.

>>108256077
>but I find them useful
I do too, but by holding a key down with WASD. I find that way more convenient and easier to do than having a completely separate directional section just for navigating. And it makes sense too because it is physically impossible to move between locations and type at the exact same time, they inherently always follow after the other sequentially. Most no-arrow 60% keyboards have the arrow symbols drawn onto WASD for exactly those intentions. People with small keyboards don't lose access to things and I think that is what people don't understand, we just hold a second hotkey for everything we want. It doesn't add complexity, it removes it. It's like having a second invisible keyboard placed underneath your normal keys at all times, and it isn't especially hard to teach yourself either.

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>>108255860
>anti
Some people are adults and actually use their computers. 60% is probably great if you're already brainrotted by smartphones and all you ever do on a computer is browse the web and play vidya.

>>108256585
Got an actual example of you using them or are you just going to cry about iOS and zoomers all day?

do you guys buy the just the board and add the key yourselves later (with the keycaps and the switches)

>>108248553
>Windows
i don't know what that is, but what the hell would it be assigning those keys to
>how IBM keyboards used
okay dad

>>108256732
I tried doing it that way and I still ended up hating my keyboard. Best to just watch youtube videos of what other people use and try to figure out which keyboard doesn't feel like shit to use out of the box imho. Of course you can just do the latter in the first place and modify it after if you feel like it. If it feels like shit, you can never make it not feel like shit in the future. The base keyboard you pick matters a thousand times more than what mods you add to it

>>108250048
that enter key is mental illness why didn't they make it bigger

>>108256723
I use them every day during file management for example. Same with PgUp/PgDn.

>>108256811
i see, i'm new to keyboards and didn't think people were this invested.
i must admit looking at keycaps online makes me want to try some of them, they look really nice

>>108256839
There are some nice ones out there. I'm probably going to rip my switches out and put them on the new keyboard when I upgrade. I think they will make the new one a lot better. Switches and keycaps definitely do improve your experience a lot more than you think

>>108255679
then you use a tkl
60% boards have their uses and so do tkls

I did it. I bought the 8bitdo retro keyboard. It will be here Sunday. Now to get the mouse

Drop is done.
https://www.techpowerup.com/346862/corsair-closes-drop-store-products-will-live-on-in-new-homes

>>108258492
corsair is retarded

>>108258492
I'm hopeful that MT3 continues on as something that isn't Marvel and LOTR tie-in bullshit. It would be a horrible shame if that tooling was just lost to time or tangled up in sit-on-it-forever copyright with Corsair.

>>108249929
>2026
>troons still ACK-ing and coping over doing game combo inputs to achieve something that normal people can do with dedicated buttons, still convincing themselves it's somehow more productive and easy and not pants on head retarded
roflmfaololkekjejzoz!

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>>108252877
>a return friendly platform like amazon
This unironically makes me prioritize getting most of shit on Amazon, not just keyboards. I've had a hell of a time this last year returning or even getting warranty shit on other websites and from other companies. All because I wanted to try shopping outside of Amazon for a bit.
Just constant back and forth emails:
>"ERM ARE YOU REALLY SURE IT DONE DID BROKEY WOKEY DID DUN NO WORK NO MORE?!?!"
Yes, fuck off.
>"ERMMM CAN YOU TAKE PICTURE?"
Oh my GOD, fuck off.
>"ERMMMMMMM CAN YOU TAKE VIDEO FOR MORE DEFINITIVE PROOF"
FUCK OFF FUCK OFF FUCK OFF
Meanwhile, Fagazon when I want to return an item within the return window:
>"YES, 50% OF THE TIME YOU DON'T EVEN NEED TO PRINT OFF THE LABEL YOURSELF, ALSO YOUR REFUND WILL SOMETIMES PROCESS THE MOMENT WE SEE IT SHIP BACK* :)"
Like, I get they can do this because most people are on Prime, but fucking still. These other companies are NOT small and I should NOT FUCKING HAVE TO DO CIRCUS TRICKS to fucking return something less than $100. You faggots do NOT get so many returns that you have to make returning shit such a pain in the ass.
Ironically I dealt with this with two separate companies over dysfunctional mice, one having a broken scroll wheel and the other constantly changing DPI/sensitivity. Just fucking cancer and makes me unfortunately prioritize Amazon because it's just way more convenient and I know I'll be able to get my money back way more easily if the Chinesium gadget I get shits the bed.

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>>108252877
>>108259205
Anyway, to answer your question: there really isn't much out there with trackball shit besides either cheap chinese shit or ergo boards, which I mean if you don't mind the latter then I guess that's fine.
Don't know if this is available in Canada, but this is about the only thing I can find that's wireless + has a trackball. There's also one from some company called Perixx it seems, but the trackball is on the top right of the board.

>>108256822
If you are using the nav cluster while managing files you are doing it inefficiently.
I can rename and shuffle files around on my 60% keyboard faster than 104 key boomers can think.

>>108259151
The thing that requires less effort to achieve the same action is better, faggot. You have to move your hand 8" over and back again for something I barely have to move my fingers at all to do.

Nav is space + YUIO for me.
Arrows are space + HJKL.

It is way faster than using a dedicated nav cluster.

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I once had a perfect keyboard. Full size, no rounded keys, with wrist rest that latches (no bs fridge magnet), and had a goddamn lid over keys.
Is it possible to find one like that today?

>>108259323
>muh movement n sheiiiit
Don't care fag lol, gayers are a meme and they always will be for the game combo shit + lack of redundancy too. At least troons that say they like gimped layouts for the aesthetics more are being honest, compared to homos coping over the loss in functionality that has to be made up for with these workarounds.
Seethe forever.

>>108255633
No. It's modernist bullshit. I'm using my 100% ANSI battleship and I'm not giving in to the layer madness.

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>why yes, I use MX Blacks and 60% boards only. How could you tell?

>>108259629
there is no loss in functionality, in fact it's enhanced thoughever

>>108259323
>having proper keys in their proper place = BAD
>pressing function and another key to activate a third key = GOOD
gimped piece of shit

>>108260541
The thing that lets you stay in homerow is better than the slow thing that forces you to leave it and come back. Do you also shit your pants when you have to press shift and an alpha to get a capital or do the geriatrics help you through that one?

>>108259246
god, I really don't like the trackball being at the bottom. I don't mind the weird layout I just don't want a split because it wouldn't sit nice on my lap. Fuck my life I'm never gonna be satisfied with my pc input experience

>>108260599
I just toggle Caps on or off for those.

>>108260830
Pay $6000 and get a true custom. It's always a $$$$ issue.

>>108245289
Just buy Topre.

>going back to XDA from MOA caps
Fuck this was a mistake. MOA is so much better its insane

>enter key not registering sometimes
Wat do? This keyboard is only a couple months old

>>108262204
replace the switch if it's hotswap
replace the keyboard if it's not
get your G on

>>108259246
with that money you can get a split and a real standalone trackball, I am getting a silakka and will put the trackball on the middle or a trackpad, it will be kino

MX Browns are trash and you should feel bad if you use them
>wobbleshit internals with all the tactility of a wet tissue
fuck Cherry

>>108262994
Cherry's patent expiring was probably the best thing to happen to the MX switch format.

>>108253191
Thank you Anon

>>108263156
You're lucky it doesn't seem to be popular or well known, only three left in Amazon US's stock

>>108247394
I got one. love it. key strokes aren't as nice as my actual Model F imo, but it's a better feel than a Model M from unicomp and I love all the extra keys.

Can someone tell me why CAPSLOCK still exist in the way that it does? It really should have been moved somewhere more appropriate a century ago. Yes, I am sure that there are niche use cases for it, but for 99% of most PC users, it is used once or twice a year at best. Hell, there might even be data somewhere on this.

>>108263440
>still
because most people are used to things and they don't want to change

baby duck syndrome is strong. anyone with a brain either puts esc, control, or fn there

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>>108263440
on all my 40%s its replace with esc its so much more comfy especially if you use vim

>>108263440
cope harder, 60% swine

>>108263449
>>108263493
>HE DOESN'T TYPE IN ALL CAPS ON A DAILY BASIS
F your LAYERS
ANSI 100% FULL SIZED KINGS USE CAPS DAILY

>>108263514
technically caps lock is just another layer trigger

>>108263527
I'M THICK AND UNYIELDING
100% ANSI OR I PUNCH MYSELF IN THE BALLS

>>108263228
Hopefully they'll still be in stock once I have the money to get one, and hopefully Joe won't lash out at me

>>108263063
yes it is
Gateron alone blows Cherry the fuck out of the market
>Oil King
>Type-R
>Melodic
MX Black/Brown/Blue are wobbleshit trash lol, lmao even

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>>108253191
I did end up buying this keycap set for myself, feels to be real PBT and the curvature is more pronounced than something like MDA. Great keycap set for the price, also has the gold accent keys everybody associates with Red/Blue Samurai.

GMK always gets the best designers
everyone's still creaming over the Red Samurai

>>108264557
Most GMK keycap set designs suck ass, Red Samurai isn't one of them. I associate the color-scheme more with the Famicom than with a samurai though.

The only two GMK designs I give a shit about are the WoB and Beige ones.

there's a half-dozen beige sets from different GMK designers
something for everyone
FREE MARKET fuck yeah

>>108260372
>lying through his teeth + shartrannyspeak
Of course lmfao

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Is the Logitech K120 an honorary mechanical keyboard?

>>108265024
It's an honorary keyboard.
An keyboard.

>>108265024
No, not in the sense that "mechanical" is used colloquially, aka meaning "not using rubber domes/membrane". It's just a whole semantics shitshow because if one isn't being retarded pretty much all keyboards are "mechanical."

>>108255679
Like the other anon said, it doesn't matter because the game doesn't know that you actually held down Fn and pressed 5 instead of pressing F5. It can't tell the difference, the hotkeys will still result in the key you want.

for me, it's
>MX Blacks on Alu
or
>MX Browns on Alu
beige always
Geon only

>STILL spamming that shit
This dude really will just remain eternally buck broken from fullsizeGOD banter, won't he?

>>108247382
up to ~50 wpm after lots of practice, still need to practice number entry and symbols/control characters
ive noticed a very interesting "flow" i get occasionally where i basically type entire words all at once, which never really happened with "normal" keyboards. pretty cool

I sit at around ~80wpm but I feel like I do type way faster than that sometimes when I'm locked in which never really happens whenever doing Typeracer or Monkeytype since there I have to simultaneously focus on what I'm supposed to type instead of making a clear neuron pathway between the word I'm thinking about and the muscle memory doing it's thing.

>>108265236
You never type as fast or accurately as when you are arguing with someone online, or (when it was still possible) writing out something inflammatory in gaymes before the hell of bots monitoring chat + report babies happened.

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>>108265436
It's not even just arguing on the Internet, the big difference is that when I type something for myself, there's no pressure and I can enter a zen mode I can never enter with Monkeytype where there's always this pressure that this is a test, and you can't go back to correct a typo because that'll affect your final wpm, and you're doing it just to see your wpm, making the whole test useless as it puts you under a completely different typing mental state that you'd otherwise be in.

Basically, I hate those typing tests since they fuck with my head and I doubt I ever hit those 100wpm even when locked in but that's still faster than 90% of people so whatever

>>108263160
Two now since I ordered one for a future build

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>>108265542
IDK, this seems to be about my average/relaxed speed but I definitely get closer to 140-150. I do understand your mindset though, and I think I agree for the most part, as sometimes I do just end up sperging out hard and fucking up over and over and over when it would be better to just start a new test.

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>>108265236
For me it's the opposite. I never hit speeds like pic related while typing casually. I don't even come close. I can't think of what to type nearly as fast as I can type. On something like monkeytype I don't have to think of what to type, all I have to do is type what's in front of me.

>>108265542
Yeah I get performance anxiety in Monkeytype too, whereas sometimes when I do a very long Monkeytype where I'm typing out chapters of a book I can really hit a stride

>Accidentally spill some margarita on my daily last night.
>Yank it to clean tomorrow. The thing needed a deep clean anyway.
>Look at my old other boards.
>Barely used my Beamspring 5251 since I restored and converted it a couple years ago.
>Oh, this is nice. I should go ahead and finish the solenoid board for it.
>Wonder what they go for these days.
>Beamsprings all $1k+ on ebay.

When the fuck did this happen? Didn't they start new production ones for $500 a year or two ago? Why have the old ones jumped in price so much?

>>108266900
>Didn't they start new production ones for $500 a year or two ago?
Yeah they did
https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/store/

>>108266914
Awesome. I should order one at some point. The F77 project looks to finally be done, too. Nice.

I hate shitty linear squeakers but I have to fit in or no one will respect me
I love cherry mx Blaecks, run dry (as blessed Geon sells), always on Alu. Yes.
look at me, I fit in now. 9009 ungabunga

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I seem to always hit 130 or so.

>Buy MonsGeek v1, huge mistake awful keyboard
>Takes me like a day for the bluetooth to work
>Suddenly it stops working
>Troubleshoot it, apparently my motherboard doesnt have a bluetooth hardware?

What the fuck, this used to work I am not a schizo, I have a wireless mouse for crying out loud. I read online that factory reset might work but I did the root thing so the key repeater would stop fucking my typing and I really dont wanna do that again.

>>108267420
Lol

GIVE ME THE BEST THOCK
NOW

>>108267420
>wireless peripherals
You deserve this.

>>108267512
Anything with a plastic body, FR4 switch plate and MMD Princess tactiles

>>108267512
The best thock and the most thock are different things.

Gateron Oil King

fellas, are keychron keyboards actually good or are just overhyped awful keebs

>>108267893
I would have said they're decent until I realized the persistent issue with key chatter across every Keychron board I've owned. Firmware updates help for a bit, but the problem always comes back. It's present even in their newest "ultra" lineup, though I don't know about their HE boards.
Still, it's not bad getting one of the "V" boards and tinkering around with it if it's your first time modding a keyboard, but that's about the only good thing I can say at this point is that they're easy to disassemble and reassemble.
It's not a matter of if, but when a Keychron board starts to chatter.

>>108267893
they're fine if you get them cheap

>>108247738
>glorious engrammer
how the fuck do you practice this?

>>108267893
I have a C2 and it's good enough for me. I also have the C2 pro(hardwired switches) but it's too sensitive for my speed. Both reds.

>>108267512
Rainy75 or Crush80 or whatever

>>108267893
endgames dot io has the Q3 listed next to the likes of Merisi and TGR
Keychron is unironically endgame tier.

shut the fuck up faggot, go fuck yourself with your dumbass opinions.

I need heavy tactiles, like crushing a grape sensation ones, the creamier/thockier the better and i dont want to pay a lot preferably aliexpress what are my options

>>108268585
https://upgradekeyboards.com/products/haimu-ws-heavy-tactile-switches

nevermind that! go with the rest of the fucking sheep
MX Browns unlubed with 60g springs hahaha fucking get used to it if you want to fit in with the TRIBE

^Sheer mental illness that accompanies tranny% board users on display.

>>108268765
europoor no avaiability. nothing on aliexpress

was looking at different layouts and colemak is just beyond retarded
>no caps lock
ok
>two backspaces
???

I'll never regret changing that caps lock key to backspace, its the best shit ever. But its true that it makes the og backspace redundant and I feel it should be swapped with caps at least.

>press caps
>start menu opens up
nice

Bought a Womier WD75, oppinions?

Thoughts on the Mode Envoy?

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Got QMK to work on my second F1's obscure PCB for mapping the WinKey, so there was no need to cut off its blockers as well. I still sanded the ano off to make myself feel better about having WK blockers on my keyboard. It goes rather well with the Copper keycaps.

>>108271870
>I still sanded the ano off
are you deranged

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>Plastic body
>Gasket mount
>MMD Princess V2 48g Tactiles arriving in less than a week
Anything else, or is my poorfag newfag endgame complete?

>>108271870
This reminds me of when my 7-year-old little brother would cut the borders off his Pokemon cards because he didn't like how they looked

>>108272661
nah, you're good. I would personally remove all the foam. save up for some decent keycaps next

drop is going out of business this month so there may be clearance sales on mt3 soon

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>>108272697
>my 7-year-old little brother would cut the borders off his Pokemon cards because he didn't like how they looked
Please tell me you beat him up

>>108272661
it's a sweet endgame
because it's tactile

>>108265209
I strongly recommend trying out home row mods.

Need recommendations for a setup that'd fit well with frutiger aero aesthetic

I was reading about keyboard layouts on Wikipedia, and some of them have so many extra keys that numbers are shifted, that is, they are not the primary key function. In these cases, it's useful to have a Caps Lock key, sometimes it works as a Shift Lock. And it is obvious that a Numpad is very useful in such cases.

>>108272697
I did this with my yugi oh cards back in the day, non-conformist genius move actually

>>108273579
You might want a frosted acrylic keyboard case, but due to its nature it might not be very durable. You can always go full retard and look for a glass worker to make one that fits your keyboard.
I'm myself considering a frosted glass case not because of aero looks, but because it will never get shiny and as long as it is not dropped it will be forever.

finally received my 8bitdo retro keyboard. use it with my steam deck docked. set the super buttons to go desktop mode and back to gaming mode respectively. but when I try and program the board’s A and B shortcut buttons, for the steam button and quick access menu, a small quirk presents itself. shift+tab opens the steam menu, which works. ctrl+shift-tab opens the quick access menu, and when I program it to a shortcut key, the ctrl input somehow just disengages and brings up the steam menu through shift-tab anyway. first world problem. severely niche use case. but alas I cannot make it work. and now I type this message in some vain hope some other more autistic nerds has the answer.

>>108273728
You might be bumping into some kind of weird quirk of the 8bitdo Ultimate v2 software, I recall it being a pain in the ass to get the two macro buttons it comes with (the external "Super Buttons", not the on-keyboard A/B buttons) to properly input alt codes so I could smack ™ or ö with just one button press.

>>108273185
My mom freaked out at me when I gave my pokemon card collection away to a friend rather than let my brother inherit it from me

any opinions on the wooting brand? don't know if it's worth it just for the gimmick they're advertising for gaming

>>108273945
well, what did you do?

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>>108274442
Oh, right, that would have helped, huh. Anyways what I did to get it working was severely shortened the time it took in between button presses on the macro, which fixed it. I had the same problem you did where it was trying to ignore certain buttons.

>>108273945
Windows' built-in emoji thing already does ™ with trivial ease, you just press win+. and type "tm" (easy enough to remember)

the important alt codes are em dash, vowels with accent grave and accent aigu, etc

>>108274467
I will be dead in the cold hard ground before I use Microsoft™'s emoji menu

>>108274471
Microsoft's emoji menu makes it easy to input emojis. What's not to like?

>>108274459
I will try this. Thank (You)

>>108274476
If that doesn't work see about removing the "depress" action for the modifier keys involved (ctrl and shift), you can see in my macro too that R Alt doesn't have a depress associated with it

I just use AutoHotkey™ for the ™ sign.

>>108274430
the only decent quality HE keyboards I've seen are like geon frog + venom and typface kafka

literally everything else is gamer quality shit that costs way too much for what it is

>>108274681
i'll probably look into the ones you've mentioned since as you said overpriced gamer shit. thanks

>>108274747
(the things he mentioned are, if anything, more expensive)

>>108274747
Anyone that mentions Geonworks in /mkg/ is trying to be an epin memelord
If you want functional but cheap look at Madlions

>>108274755
yeah, and GB ended for kafka so the only chance of getting one would be extras in august too

venom pcbs are pretty universal at this point, there is probably a cheaper decent quality board you could just drop it into. otherwise I don’t know what lower quality peon boards justify the price. maybe a keychron k2 wouldn’t feel like getting kicked so hard in the dick. i just think paying $200 for a keychron or a wooting feels like robbery, 8K HE be damned

>>108274390
You should have beat them both up

get Geon's Venom HE PCB and Geon Raw HE switches
use them in any compatible case
if you want quality, you got it right here.

>>108274874
i want tactile he switches

>>108274884
jades then
there's all types of jades from Gateron

>>108274909
i think those are sold out most places

>>108274951
that's the nub with HE switches rn
can't get shit

>>108273579
clear frosted case
keysterine keycaps

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>>108273579

any alice chads around? just bought a neo ergo

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here's the kitting for OG Muted

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and here's what the retards came up with for Muted 2
shrinkflation in my fucking GMK sets

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>>108276106
>>108276112
>pictograms
>second set has the fag numpad keycaps
GMK already has a perfect beige set lol

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>>108276130
uhm EXCUSE ME
the designers worked HARD to make MUTED 2
it is not derivative of any beige set in existence
it has no similarity to any beige set in any way, manner, shape, or form
DESIGNERS WORK HARD TO MAKE BRAND NEW NEVER BEFORE SEEN SETS
LIKE MODERN DOLCH LIGHT

>>108276180
Can you shut the fuck up about your "muh designer" schizoing already no one fucking cares

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SAME GOES FOR GMK MÜT
BRAND NEW
ORIGINAL DESIGN

Cherry MX Blacks Hyperglide Top/Bottom Housing
(lubed with Krytox 205g0)
(spring swapped with Geon triple-stage 22mm 57.5g springs)
*Deskey Films 0.3mm*
**bag-lubed springs with Krytox 105 (massaged)**
***205g0 on stem only
****dry polished and broken-in with 200,000 actuations

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>tfw my switch isn't designed by real-time human listening panels
damned chicoms are holding out on us

>>108274481
i tried and reduced the input delay and removed the depress and still, sadly, ctrl shift tab just won’t program correctly. so I just changed the shortcut for the quick access menu to ctrl tab and programmed that and now it’s working. oh well. first world problem. I knew they said 8bitdo’s software is shit but I didn’t expect it to just, not work for some things

this all said, the 8bitdo retro keyboard feels really good. i’m not autistic enough about keyboards to articulate why it’s so nice. I’ve owned the logitech g15, which were membrane. the apple aluminum which were plastic scissor keys on the aluminum plate before they made butterfly switches. and my most favourite keyboard is the logitech k760, which were aluminium scissor switches on a rubber membrane. technically I’ve owned two mechanical keyboards before but they were cheap knockoff shit I got as a stocking stuffer that were probably like 20 bucks each I don’t even know the name of that crapped out after a few months. what even is a kailh box white switch? I don’t know. love them though. you can feel the aluminum plate behind the key when you press and it’s very nice

>>108276353
They should get some QA on housing + stem tolerances and also get more consistent springs first, instead of that retarded shit. +- 15g on Gateron switches, that they charge bare minimum $0.40 per switch, is laughably bad by todays' standards.
It was laughably bad even 20 years ago, to be honest.

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you ever gone 4 years without cleaning?

>>108276982
I don't go 4 hours without cleaning. Wtf anon

>>108276908
Gateron's hot in the market right now, and the competition isn't doing much when it comes to beating their tactile and clicky offerings. Everywhere online, it's Type R this, Quinn or Lanes that, Melodics or one of the several variations of the Beer.

My keyboard is 38 years old. That is all I have to say on the matter.

Can someone explain keyboard stuff to me.

What's the best keyboard? Hall Effect? TMR? Optical?
I really don't like loud clacky key boards. Can I make change the switches on any keyboard to make them quiet?

Like, what I really want is a keyboard that is:
- Dead silent
- Good for gaming
- Wireless
- Has a few extra programable keys

Is that really so much to ask?

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i want to get a keycap set that doesn't look like a fancy gamer mech keyboard with cool colors and shit. My keyboard is black though, I think the old school white/beige colors look dumb on a black keyboard, and I'd like to avoid a straight black set as well. I really can't figure out what might look good.

Anyone have anything positive or negative to say about the be quiet! Light Mount?

I had basically everything I want in a keyboard except being wireless.
Could I build a better keyboard for cheaper?

>>108278285
>€139.90
Jesus

>>108278049
this is just piss easy
>Violet Alert
>Griseann 2
>Monochrome R2
>Deepwell
>Serika 2
>Dualshot 2
>TeraDrive
>ASCII 2
>Black Snail
>Evil Dolch
>Modern Materials Concrete Base
>Nuclear Data R2
>Jags
>Oblivion V3.1
>Shadow
>Striker 2
>Avanguardia
>Mudbeam
>Grand Prix
>etc etc
just get Dolch R5X it's the best
no one buys Dolch

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fuck yeah

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Dolch Computer Systems = best keycap designers EVERRR

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>>108261270
>Just buy Topre.
Based.

>>108278456
thanks for the recs. A lot of those do seem too mechy/gamery for me, but there's a few in there that I might actually get. The GMK Violet Alert is my favorite even if it does kinda cross my line. I use the GMK VoC right now and it's very similar.
Pretty much I don't want my keyboard to look like a mechanical keyboard, I just want the functionality

>>108278901
based Shenpo enjoyer

>>108278049
Just get GMK WoB's like everyone does after they grow out of the meme keycap phase.

>>108279043
>GMK MTNU WoB is already sold out

>>108279223
Not surprising, "ready and in-stock" for MTNU was unheard of until that announcement

>>108276982
Used to. Not anymore. I like my keyboards and care about their appearance now, and unlike my retarded self of a decade ago I know where to find a keycap puller whenever I need one

>>108279257
I’m assuming they’re gonna just indefinitely try to keep WoB and beige in stock?

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>>108279542
That's the plan. Hopeful for more interesting colors and maybe some older GMK colorways like DMG, they say they're going to add more colorways as time goes by.

>>108279043
yeah honestly might

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>>108277700
>What's the best keyboard?
Whatever one you actually like and will use.
>Hall Effect? TMR? Optical?
These are different sensing tech for inputs. It's almost all entirely gaymer snake oil and has no real world benefits for gayming, other than "rapid trigger" which *might* help out the top 0.01% of rhythm game players not feel schizo about missing a note. You can still get one if you want, just know it's not going to turn you into le epic gaymer as the reddit fag shills everywhere online act like it will.
The most impactful benefits you'll get from a keyboard for gaming are programmability and having a polling rate that's at least 500hz, though most these days are usually 1000hz if not higher. Anything higher than 1000hz is overkill and 1000hz is itself, even 500hz if we're being honest.
>can I change the switches
Most keyboards are hot swappable these days, meaning you can take the switches in them out and replace them with whatever ones you want.***
Note that HE, TMR and Optical keyboards have their own proprietary switches, so you can't just swap in a typical "mechanical" switch in and expect it to work. Some HE switches might work on another HE board, but it's best to assume they only work with the manufacturer of switches they came with stock. For example, I have a Wooting Two HE and some "Glorious" brand HE switches I've seen people say work on the Wooting 80HE did not work on it.
Optical keyboards are very rarely hot swappable compared to HE and TMR boards, and have mostly gone out of fashion.
There are silent HE switches IIRC, and seeing what you say you want you should look into getting some. "A few extra programmable keys" you won't get with most new keyboards, unfortunately, if what you mean is extra keys to put macros on. You'll really only get that with a Fullsize keyboard "100%" and most likely only Keychron, but if you mean just being able to do so at all then most keyboards usually let you program most of the keys on your keyboard with VIA

>>108277700
>What's the best keyboard?
it’s the journey, nigga. that’s the point. it’s all too individual and personalized

>>108278901
Is that F fake or are you a richfag?

I just got a Keychron K2 HE.
Can anyone tell me what mod I need to have more quiet typing?

I know literally nothing at all about keyboard modding, so I need a little help.

Just made a flex cut PCB not-shit through a combination of tape and hot glue

It feels like I performed a life-saving surgery on an otherwise worthless board

Highly recommend if you are in the unfortunate position of having a flex-cut PCB

>>108281360
switches are everything when it comes to reducing sound but i don’t know of any quiet HE switches except raeds, but raeds are like topre and not really good for gaming

>>108281639
Will those little rubber rings help at all, or will that just make the keys feel like shit to press?

I got a cause foam kit for it. Not sure what else to do.
I think tap modding the space bar will help, too.

>>108281871
maybe a little bit? if they help they’ll also mess with travel and bottom out. lubing might also help a little bit with sound

i thought keychrons were already packed with foam. i don’t know all that much about HE but the best way to reduce sound is really just getting a switch designed to be silent. don’t get the switch i mentioned though, they are radically different from every other HE switch and you won’t like them

>>108282036
>i thought keychrons were already packed with foam.
They aren't. They have a hallow silicone sheet by the PCB. That's it.

>>108282069
Depends on the series. The Max series boards are all packed full of foam.

>>108282069
I had foam in my Q5 (stock) from the factory but it was, admittedly, a *very* thin sheet underneath the PCB