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>>108279539
icewm or openbox with tint2
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>>108279694
I was asking about the power manager not the DE, also neither of the options you mentioned come with a power manager
>>108279807
I want to adjust brightness with my Fn keys, this works on MATE and Xfce, I'm surprised TDE lacks this functionality
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How can we derail California's OS level age verification?
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>>108280272
Tell Microsoft that you do not feel comfortable with the idea of a universal background API that could be used by predators such as Roblox Incorporated to verify the predation age of minors using Windows and say they dropped the ball by failing to lobby California's state legislature properly to secure the online and in-app privacy and protection of minors from the predations of Roblox.
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Switched over to gayland to test if I'd get better gaming performance, but now need to reconfigure KDE a bit and can't find what I'm looking for.
1. Hot corners -- I know how to change the corner and actions, etc., but I have two monitors and I only want the hotcorner to apply to one monitor. Works fine in X11.
2. How to make "hard" screen corner barriers? Right now if I drag enough my cursor breaks through to my other screen even if I trigger the barrier first.
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Pls help I am somewhat new to Linux and my computer keeps freezing. Every time I need to force reboot. Sometimes it can freeze 3 times in a row within an hour and then other times it goes days without freezing.
At first I thought it was a RAM issue so I installed earlyoom to monitor it but I see it still freeze with even like 40% free RAM.
Is there somewhere I can check logs after rebooting? I use Linux Mint btw. I don't notice any weird pattern causing this since I'm just using Firefox and Blender and some games but it triggers randomly.
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When I try running openmw in a 4:3 aspect ratio it stretches the picture. Is there a fix for this?
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>>108280919
for me?
it was enjoying debian december.
Think I'm gonna do linux birds for spring but probs just in vms.
>parrot
>pikaos
>budgie
gotta come up with more
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How is Fedora Workstation stability wise?
I feel like moving to it after having used Ubuntu for a bit.
I just want to know how Linux supported software will work on Fedora as it seems when most mean tested for Linux it means tested on an OS that supports .deb files. So that means tested only on Ubuntu if at all.
Does it really matter as everything stems from the Linux kernel or is this a legitimate concern?
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>>108281071
Is >>108281055 Linus?
>>108281055
What are you using your computer for? Is your hardware the latest and greatest or it's a bit old? It uses Nvidia?
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>>108281232
Usually I'd ask for the usage but unless it's something too niche you'll probably be fine. You haven't written down anything about problems with Ubuntu which is more than enough info.
Personally: I installed Fedora barebones and I've never had issues with it (still using it). The only issues I had were related to me not updating it for a fuckton of time like a retard. Other than that it does in fact just wherks.
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What happens if I have 3 sticks of RAM? There's so much conflicting info about whether it will actually be partially dual channel or just not use dual channel.
Basically I have like:
DIMM0-ChannelA: 16 GB
DIMM0-ChannelB: 16 GB
DIMM1-ChannelA: 8 GB
Is this bad for performance or will it dual channel the first 32 GB? The sticks are identical. Even the 8 GB is really the same brand and product name with same speed and CL, just smaller.
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>>108280919
Use Fedora. That's it. It really is the happiest medium you will find. As this anon said >>108280944 force yourself to use it and set it up to your liking.
I'm currently using Aurora (the immutable KDE version of universal blue) based on Kinoite. And I'm forcing myself to use it and flatpaks. It may not be perfect but it's the best is gonna get.
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>>108281071
I don't get why Linus says Fedora of all things is closest to Linux philosophy. I don't hate it but isn't systemd inherently anti-unix?
>>108281167
Reaper is the only good free option.
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>>108281142
Linus is the father of the Linux kernel and still works on it to this day. He uses Fedora with GNOME because he wants to use a distro that just werks and doesn't get in his way. His GNOME DE is basically tweak free.
If Fedora is good enough for the man himself, it's good enough for chuds like us.
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Pop is going to capitulate to the Colorado law for requiring age verification. I can't blame them, they're based in Co, so there isn't much they can do and being a small business there isn't much they can fight with.
I will be changing distros and was looking at Fedora. But, I suspect most companies will follow suit and start including the age verification as well, which *night* include Red Hat and since Fedora is backed by RH... What are the odds Fedora will start including that bullshit in their ISOs down the road?
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>>108281427
If you read his biography he's bit like Mr. Stalinman, he spends his day using an email client and editing text and reviewing code. His need for gui is non-existent.
He was always affiliated with Red Hat anyway.
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Lots of Fedora posting right now so I'll just add to it that I've been using the KDE version for a few weeks now and it has been smooth sailing for someone who just wants a normal working OS that is not Windows. Very nice to use overall, gonna have to learn some things ofc. Use a search engine or even AI when you want to know something.
The only sort of hard thing for a fresh user right off the bat is that Fedora doesn't offer non-free drivers and codecs by default. Here's the commands an Anon posted here that I used to get set up, maybe they will help someone new:sudo dnf update
sudo dnf install https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm https://mirrors.rpmfusion.org/nonfr ee/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release -$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm
sudo dnf config-manager setopt fedora-cisco-openh264.enabled=1
sudo dnf update @core
sudo dnf install rpmfusion-\*-appstream-data
sudo dnf swap ffmpeg-free ffmpeg --allowerasing
sudo dnf update @multimedia --setopt="install_weak_deps=False" --exclude=PackageKit-gstreamer-plugin
sudo dnf install libavcodec-freeworld
#If you have an nvidia GPU:
sudo dnf install akmod-nvidia
sudo dnf install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-cuda
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>>108281494
Where your distro's mantainers are on the map is irrelevant: the California and Colorado bills target not Pop, but EVERY distro that anyone is using within those states, regardless of who makes it. Here is Jack from System76's thoughts on the matter
>There are serious misunderstandings about the law, both in the comments here and in the original post. The bill is short and the language is plain, it should be read in full carefully before commenting. I know this is Reddit... but it is useless to bluster about this without understanding the scope and who is potentially liable. I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice, just my personal opinion on the California bill:
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id= 202520260AB1043
>We at System76 are talking internally about what this bill, and the similar Colorado bill, would mean for our business. Any provider of an operating system that may be used in these states would have to do the same - this includes Canonical, elementary OS, Purism, Red Hat, SUSE, and many more. Community developed operating systems offered for free may even be required to comply or face fines, likely directed at whomever provides the OS in these states. If the operating system is developed internationally, but there is any business relationship with anyone in these states including support, pre-installed hardware, or otherwise - it is likely to make someone liable. The fines for non-compliance are plainly stated in the bill and are extreme.
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>I personally hate this bill, and the idiot lawmakers who have pushed it. However, it passed unanimously (minus 3 votes not recorded) in the California assembly which has 60 democratic and 20 republican members. I would expect similar bills to pass in more states, and it is possible similar legislation would be passed in Europe and elsewhere in the near future. I do not believe most free and open source software is ready to handle the ludicrous amount of legal liability this kind of legislation introduces. The talk of non-compliance would be fun if there was not a 7500 dollar fine per child who uses the OS for the OS provider performing intentional non-compliance.
>I can assure you all that Pop!_OS, and likely many other open source operating systems, will do everything possible to prevent identification of users. This bill does not require any identifying information about users to be stored, outside of potentially their age fitting into one of four brackets (read the bill!). It is possible for a minimum implementation to simply not allow the operating system to run if the user says they are under 18 and in the state of California. Keep in mind that there are no requirements for a user to even tell the truth, and the operating system is not liable if they lie about their age.
>I think the scariest and saddest things about these bills are the scope they have, the lack of technological understanding demonstrated, and how much liability is shifted to OS providers, including those of free and open source operating systems. I am also seriously dismayed by the nonchalant attitude of naive commentators who believe open source is somehow off the hook, just because it would be better for us all to be off the hook. I would also clarify that the bill does not in any way require unique identification of users in order to comply with the requirements, there are many options for an OS to implement the requirements without changing the experience, privacy… 2/3
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>>108281563
This is only the start.
>We'll see how far we can go
>Hmmm no push back
>Ok let's claim the age verification isn't working because kids are putting in anything and hitting enter.
>We need to protect the kids! Ok let's mandate a scanned copy of a valid ID.
That's the end goal. Sadly, the massive population of NPCs are completely oblivious and don't care.
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>>108281709
Gaming takes a little bit of work at first. Catchy, Pop, etc usually ship with codexs and proton, et al preinstalled. Fedora doesn't. But it doesn't take much to get everything set up. Gaming works great can't say about Blender as I don't use it though.
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Is it possible to put the partition table for a drive on a separate drive from the one it describes the partitions for? The GPT, if that makes a difference.
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>>108281596
they're not stupid, they know this is just the inoffensive first step
>oh, just an age group? no means of verifying if i'm lying? not tied to my name or any other personal information?
>that's nothing to worry about... right?
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>>108281167
https://flathub.org/en/apps/com.bitwig.BitwigStudio
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>>108281966
or rather, the goal is to force the creation of an os-level user attestation api, just a simple one to start with, but it'll be much easier to build on it once it's there
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>>108281420
>I don't get why Linus says Fedora of all things is closest to Linux philosophy. I don't hate it but isn't systemd inherently anti-unix?
Linus is an old man with shit today. He wants an OS he doesn't have to touch or modify much and Fedora fits the bill for that.
He's running extremely Linux friendly hardware (because of course he is) and isn't trying to do shit like play video games or watch multimedia, etc. Fedora is perfect for someone like him.
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>>108282072
Or if you want a "just werks" OS without having to tweak anything. You can say those people don't have a brain (that's offensive by the way) but they're out there.
Remember that the reason a lot of people use Windows still is because it's the path of least resistance. Want codecs? You can just download a codec pack or pay Microsoft for official codec support in their store that's supported by them. You don't even have to think about it.
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>>108282076
I'm a different anon but was curious. Used to work with Ableton and had tons of vst stuff in Windows.
I'm sure latency is probably an issue in Linux with other problems. Might do some googling around first.
Because most professional vst plugs and synths have been made for Win/Mac in the first place..
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>>108282091
systemd the service manager isn't systemd the software distribution. Guys who make low level plumbing decisions on big distros are capable of critical thinking. They're not going to take something just because 'hurrr systemd said'
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>>108282131
But even if you do that you still end up with a monolith that does more than just service management.
This is where "Linux philosophy" != "UNIX philosophy" comes in. You can argue whether or not this is good or bad, but it's undeniable that Systemd does things differently compared to other service managers.
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>>108282087
>Or if you want a "just werks" OS without having to tweak anything
That doesn't exist. Justwerks distros are made by weirdos with god complexes. They always vastly overreach and create brittle products.
>Remember that the reason a lot of people use Windows still is because it's the path of least resistance
That's their value judgment to make. Freedom isn't free.
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>>108282134
>But even if you do that you still end up with a monolith that does more than just service management.
In fact you don't unless you're trying to redefine 'service management' as something which doesn't include process supervision or logging.
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>>108282156
I'm saying Systemd does more than process supervision and logging. I'm not even talking about the optional components you can avoid like resolved and timesyncd, etc. The core itself still has features unrelated to service management, and yes, Poeterring was very vocal about trying to re-define what service management is hence this whole "System management layer" her created. It's literally called "Systemd" but Poeterring prefers to just call it "System".
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Any surface users here? I bought a pro 5 to play with since it was about as much as a IPS screen for my X250 and I can play with GNU Linux on a tablet. I use Kubutu normally but tried a bunch of distros and settled on Nobara since the surface support is built in by default. I have never used fedora before or tried to optimize battery life, any tips or programs i should look into?
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>>108282198
Yeah and that's been thoroughly demonstrated a bad approach to service management.
Really programs like awk, sed, lex, make, ... quite often replace OS tooling and each other. Even classic Unix doesn't actually care about muh Unix philosophy. That's just something retrograde hobbywanks bring up when they don't want to learn things.
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>>108282247
It's never been proven to be bad though, and the UNIX systems still used plain text log files too, for example, so you can easily grep them not have to worry about what happens if your binary log file gets corrupted.
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>>108282263
systemd works with plain text logfiles too, and if you actually cared about that, which you don't, you could erasure code binary logs and have better redundancy. You're just pissed someone made you learn journalctl.
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>>108282272
By work well, you mean have a syslog daemon read from the journal and duplicate all of your logs to text files, right? Because that's the only way to do it and yes, you could absolutely get better redundancy with database formats if that's what you want, but an end-user system doesn't need that. If you want that level of redundancy you send all of your logs to an external system of some sort.
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>>108282284
>By work well, you mean have a syslog daemon read from the journal and duplicate all of your logs to text files, right?
No I mean just dump the journal as plain text because syslogd is just another moving part to break, but actually don't because that's still really stupid. This is a crab people argument for why you don't have to learn a dedicated log viewer and nobody should make you feel backward by using one.
>an end-user system doesn't need that
An end-user system has a GUI log viewer for the unfortunate eventuality they ever have to examine logs.
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I'm trying to format this SSD I have to install w*ndows 10 on it but it wasn't mounting and i ended up using these settings on it in gnome-disks. Every time I try to do something else I get additional fsyncing/closing input/output errors on it.
Is this still salvageable?
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>>108282595
Although, this looks like something may be wrong with your NVMe if it's saying it only has 1MB of space. You may have to use thenvme formattool, etc, or the drive is just toast and there's nothing you can do about it.
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>>108279914
Cachy is popular because it's supposed to be an optimized Arch with all the popular tweaks being in a GUI. People use it because of the optimizations. It became popular when ClearLinux support ended since people saw the ClearLinux benchmarks and wanted to have that on their computers.
Bazzite is popular because it's Linux on easy mode which never requires the use of terminal or interacting with anything "advanced". It's supposed to just work out of the box and be easy to use for non-technical people. It's also popular because it has a handheld/htpc edition. Many if not most people who use it just want SteamOS and "SteamOS nVidia edition" and it's the best distro at this job.
Nobara is as popular as it is because it comes from the developer of ProtonGE. ProtonGE was extremely popular in the early days of Proton and has it's own community. But Nobara is not even half as popular as Cachy or Bazzite. The only reason it's still relevant is because it came before Cachy and Bazzite and most people aren't chronic distrohoppers.
What does Garuda offer in comparison? It looks like shit by default, has less DEs than Cachy, doesn't have the same optimizations as Cachy afaik, isn't as easy to use as Bazzite, doesn't come from a known/community-loved developer like Nobara, it's not as known as Manjaro and it's not as clean as EndeavourOS. It's obvious that it will not be as popular as these distros.
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Made the switch to CachyOS about a month ago and things have been going smooth gaming wise. I'm curious though, how do denuvo games work on linux? Does it actually get installed on your system and get kernel level access? Or is it something proton handles? I haven't installed any denuvo games and don't want to if it gets installed locally in any way.
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>>108282894
There is no kernel level anti-cheat.
See "Are we Anti-Cheat yet" for a list of what's broken:
https://areweanticheatyet.com/
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>>108282894
denuvo doesn't need kernel access.
in fact one of the ongoing cracks - for denuvo exploits the kernel see: https://reddit.nerdvpn.de/r/PiratedGames/comments/1rg03v3/awareness_ab out_hypervisor_vs_traditional_crack s/
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>>108282894
Denuvo games work, but iirc there was a bug where changing Proton versions would stop you from playing the game. Each Proton version has it's own runtime and is treated as a separate install as far as Denuvo is concerned, and apparently there is an install limit per license.
To be as safe as possible pick the current latest Proton version and don't ever change it.
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