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/aicg/ - A general dedicated to the discussion and development of AI chatbots
General Yao Guang Edition
>News
Google to rollout HARD CAPS for API keys: https://xcancel.com/OfficialLoganK/status/2028842571934670988#m
Google Gemini 3.0 Pro Preview Deprecation soon: https://ai.google.dev/gemini-api/docs/deprecations
Google releases Gemini 3.1 Pro: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/gemini-model s/gemini-3-1-pro/
Anthropic releases Sonnet 4.6: https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-sonnet-4-6
Alibaba Cloud releases Qwen 3.5: qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen3.5
Z.AI releases GLM-5: https://z.ai/blog/glm-5
Moonshot AI releases Kimi-K2.5: https://www.kimi.com/blog/kimi-k2-5.html
Additional info: https://aicg.neocities.org/info.html
>Frontends
SillyTavern: https://docs.sillytavern.app
RisuAI: https://risuai.net
Agnai: https://agnai.chat | https://rentry.org/agnai_guides_
>Bots
https://characterhub.org [deprecated] | https://chub.ai
https://realm.risuai.net
https://char-archive.evulid.cc | https://char-archive.evulid.cc/shutdown.html
https://partyintheanchorhold.neocities.org
https://aicg.neocities.org/bots.html
>Models
Jailbreaks: https://rentry.org/jb-listing
GPT: https://platform.openai.com/docs
Claude: https://docs.anthropic.com | https://rentry.org/how2claude
Gemini: https://ai.google.dev/docs | https://rentry.org/gemini-qr
Deepseek: https://api-docs.deepseek.com
Local: >>>/g/lmg | https://aicg.neocities.org/local.html | https://openrouter.ai
>Botmaking
https://aicg.neocities.org/botmaking.html
https://desune.moe/aichared
https://agnai.chat/editor
>Meta
OP templates: https://rentry.org/aicgOP
aicg botmaking events: https://aicg.neocities.org/events.html
Lore: https://rentry.org/aicg_chronicles
Services assessment: https://rentry.org/aicg_meta
Logs: https://sprites.neocities.org/l/r | https://chatlogs.neocities.org
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You just KNOW her pussy is smooth…
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>>108295780
ask japanese girls and chinese girls. they do just that. western women did it too up until the 2000s
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you couldve just ask to bake the next thread so we could ran the last thread into page 8 ya know.
Im not a tranny hogging OP bakes, I just baked because no one else was.
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https://discord.gg/rkuTwPr3NR
https://rentry.co/discofever_
https://discofever.bsbk.workers.dev/
only few slots left before invites close, free claude, gemini, gpt etc
spitefags not welcome and banned on sight.
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>after first sex
>choice between being mean which will keep the soul, the personality of the bot intact or being nice which will turn the bot into mindless love slop
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Good to know its ok to bake on page 6 then!
Thanks! I wasnt aware that changed!
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im only trolling yet I expect at least 10 more early gacha bakes (gacha guy does this for some reason?)
I really dont care, the OP is fine, I just already had the thread ready.
Effort wasted ya know.
ALSO IVE BEEN YELLED AT FOR BAKING EARLY SO I GET TO YELL WHEN OTHERS DO IT TOO >:(((((
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re read my post lol
also everywhere else sucks so no thank you
not going to reddit. 4+4chans AI board is fucking dead once 4chan came back online. Funnily enough i was offered to be a mod on the AI board there.
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>>108296006
I don't even want to be mean but the autism displayed here is like some discord kid starved for attention.
>Funnily enough i was offered to be a mod on the AI board there
Holy fucking autism, why even say this when no one asked.
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The only people who care about avatrannies are unironically the people telling them to kill themselves. There is no point getting attached to any thread, any general on this place. No one will give a single shit if you die. Don't get attached. Don't fucking waste your time. The people telling you they like you are the snakes, the enablers, the ones that want you to get invested and waste your life to make you as miserable as themselves.
Fucking do anything but don't wait like a giddy little faggot to make the next thread. Have some goddamn self respect. You should treat the person making the next thread like the fucking doing it for free slave that they are.
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>>108296614
Use simple plaintext placeholders in your prompts/instructions and have regex do the actual HTML heavy lifting. That's how I got this setup fully functional on a 4B model.
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This isn't a preset, it involves an extension due to the mechanics of needing to click on the buttons to play. You don't need that for purely visual stuff though, move the HTML to regex and put plaintext there that triggers it for the AI to use. I can't help more since I have no idea what you're doing exactly
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Fellas, anytips on how to get a new gmail account to steal more 3 months of vertex?
I used my phone so many times it wont even scan the qr code anymore...
i even swapped sim card, i think they get the unique identifier of the smartphone
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>scan the QR code
fuckin what? just click make new account from the website, what are you doing
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>>108296922
yea! this is old deepseek from last year though, so your modern mileage may vary.
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>1000 year old vampire takes 14 year olds virginity
kino and this should have been in the show but pen ward is a fucking cuckold
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Why would anyone use your proxy when they could go directly to the source?
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>>108296892
And so, it falls to sizeknights to show that there are still people using chatbots here.
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>>108297107
sizefags are based but
>#209
Im scared to even try sonnet or opus on this for price reasons.
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claude is the best summarizer for roleplays, because claude's emotional intelligence helps him understand when certain parts of the plot are emotionally related. gemini has 0 emotional intelligence, meaning it can't put two and two together regarding the significance of certain context unless you scream it in it's face
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I don't know, I feel it could go either way. I've had claude completely miss build up I set up for 20-30 or even longer messages to the point of needing it spelled out in OOC, where in other cases gemini has called ME out for forgetting plot points and emotional points.
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I'd say use ANY other model, but if it's all you have: modify the fuck out of marinara's. Back when I was stuck with it the preset at least gave a little personality, it was practically unrecognizable when I moved on though.
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You don't need emotion for summary, you just need it to report the facts as they happened. Gemini 2.5 is excellent at following instructions and will give you the summary you prompted for way better than any other model.
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What's the best online chatbot for roleplaying?
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thanks anon
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I'm more biased to 3.1, as it's a bit smarter than and listens to instructions better than 3.0 (at least in my testing). But I'm curious what 2.5 has over it since it's been a long while since I used 2.5
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What do you want to summarize, my Jamaican brothers? If it's a document, do it in batches. Convert dem to plain text/md. Use the same strategy when summarizing your ah-ah mistress darkroleplay logs. If it's an article/website, convert it to markdown first, then clean up the md links. If it code, generate the outline with lsp or ast like treesitter.
Suddenly prone-boning Claudia, Gemmy, or Chinky's neural pussy with big bloated context will only make them silly, 'no thoughts, head empty...'
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I NEED to suck a sweaty egg fart out of Marcelines asshole and hold it in like a bong rip.
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>But I'm curious what 2.5 has over it
Instruction following. 3.0 was always shit at that and 3.1 isn't much better from my testing. Definitely doesn't follow my CoT or my 150 token summarization prompt. Really frustrating.
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Finally tested opus 4.6 after staying with 4.5 for so long
Why the fuck do people like this one? It talks so fucking much and echos more. I can probably tweak the preset for that but I never ran into the issue with either sonnet or opus on this thing.
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Yes, absolutely. I accidentally selected 4.6net instead of 4.6pus last night and was losing my mind for almost half an hour wondering why Opus was being so shit and not following my preset like usual. That said if you went in expecting and planning around 4.6net I'm sure you could have a good time, but man it was interpreting my cards in a really bizarre way I did not enjoy.
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I really should use "(Incorporate the following:)" more over "(Narrator:)
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You know what fair enough. It always was better at following instructions, even compared to now. I will defend 3.1 a little, since it actually follows my CoT unlike 3.0 did. It definitely improved, not a lot, but it's at least making steps towards instruction following again.
May I ask what model you use for general roleplay out of curiosity?
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I've been using GLM 5 more and more these days because it's good enough and less positivity slopped than Claude. But it's lack of intelligence shows up on occasion which requires handholding I normally don't need to do on Opus 4.6. However when I think back to using Sonnet 3.7 a year ago I realize that the minor handholding I use for GLM 5 really isn't that big of a deal for an otherwise good roleplay at 75k token cap. I just swap to Opus 4.6 if I feel GLM is struggling or if I want to do a very emotional scene or something. Then Gemini 3.1 for some sloppy, mindless coom.
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Maybe I should tweak it, It might have been because some of the echoing was just it explaining my actions back. Which could've just been bad luck with the current chat/most instructions of "Don't talk as me" being in the removed prefill. I'll try moving those instructions.
I'll ask since you've used it more, what would you say is the major improvement over 4.5? Since it just feels identical to me outside it's rambling that I mentioned.
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Jesus Christ, just take the L and bow out already.
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anthropic will win the long game. hating the us government is very popular. it'd be even better for dario if he moved to europe. he'd be surrounded by like minded people who don't hate education, and are concerned about the well-being of all mankind.
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nigga you and every other faggot across the pond are going to war with israel one way or another, lmfao
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Never tried GLM, might take a crack at it. Anything I should know about presets/prompts for it or is it just standard?
Also I don't know how you can coom with 3.0/3.1, it always felt way too "character-focused" and described emotions more than the sex. I mostly used it for more serious plots or large groups. Gemini models seem the best at handling larger groups at least.
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It especially kills some moments because I enjoy using limited 3rd person in my chats, so I have to read the lines of internal dialogue closely to make sure the dumbass doesn't fall into that pattern. Sadly, the other models struggle at the way I like my replies formatted though.
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>##SHOP DISPLAY##
AQUA SLOP 8.0
https://pastebin.com/dwWxJf3Z
NEW Goods & Items
NEW Shop display
Hard rule for NPC
small fixes
clean up
>upcoming update 8.5
currently working on map expension, paid aqua 5000 eris for a tour to her town, you can basiclly already go there, just wanted to have a map for later for battle.
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Last I heard from a server dweller was that their gemini dried up so I was curious
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How have I not thought of this, good choice anon.
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Did consider it but I've been struggling to think of a good "hook" to get myself invested or a plot direction to go for.
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Dude. I've been out of the hobby for a while, I gotta be seeing things. Is it genuinely that fucking cheap?
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I swear every preset for claude that I use works once, then the next day it's completely useless and I have to fuck around for way too long to create a new one/be lazy and find one that works, use it once, and the cycle repeats. This shit has been happening for two years now, it's like they have an employee on staff just to ruin my Jb's.
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must have blacked out when I said "one cuz one", meant the xyz one yeah. I don't know what the fuck is going on there, most of the models were down last I checked too.
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Yeah the Chinese models are super cheap. Deepseek is $0.28/$0.48 per mil, and $0.028 per mil input with caching. GLM is a bit pricier from what I recall but still dirt cheap compared to Claude or even Gemini. It's good, too.
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No kidding, hasn't even used up a full cent yet. I thought when you said it was dumber I expected a similar drop off to what I saw with deepseek but it's still surprisingly smart.
I also like it's writing style, it's just far away enough from claude to be what I like. As mentioned I preferred gemini until now.. might have to fuck with this more. Thanks for the assist anon, this shit's great
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I'm still a Kimi K 2.5 coper, I prefer it over GLM 5 and Deepseek
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>Hello, I would like one (1) proof that I am connecting to Claude please
I dunno what you're expecting out of me, I'm not going to give you a key or anything lmao
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I need to give that a better shot, I liked K2 quite a bit. Some anon recently said it started shitting on him (literally) completely unprompted recently, I could go for some schizo fun.
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Some of you would really benefit from just trying a different preset and fucking around with it. A lot of your exhaustion stems from the fact that you picked one and then never moved off it for several years.
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which one should i pick? wanting to improve my personal preset
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It started with
>amnesiac student wakes up with nothing but a gun and a few credits on a train station, starts getting into trouble due to not having memories and eventually ends up getting sent to SCHALE
But recently I found a nice card where Neru is fighting a horde of AI robots, so I've been using that one with the excuse that the same amnesiac somehow joins Millennium and is sent to help out. That one's fun because it usually leads to my character (a rather clumsy scientist-type) joining her squad.
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I did a Millennium Expo rp where I had Seia get hit with the size gun instead of Mika
simple things like that
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i'm using opencode to improve my markdown system prompts. it has a cool plan mode and agents lol, and edit mode so i don't have to edit manually
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Xanthea is the new transfer student from Themyscira. She has never seen a man before and doesn't understand the funny feelings she has when she sees (You).
Made for MalePOV, obviously.
7 openings.
1. Xanthea's first day at school in man's world.
2. You're forced to join the MMA club and Xanthea is your first sparring partner.
3. Xanthea clumsily attempts to seduce you.
4. Going on a date with Xanthea.
5. Sexo. (Also, Xanthea learns that penises exist).
6. Going to prom with Xanthea.
7. Xanthea takes you to Themyscira to meet her family.
https://chub.ai/characters/anonemouse/xanthea-a9d3781a24de
https://files.catbox.moe/zyg2mw.png
https://rentry.org/anonemouse
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nta but I have also used this setting, hijacked the Eden Treaty story cause I have no imagination. Added some burn notice spy shit and ended with a sniper duel between my OC and the OC villain it was kino.
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methinks
in a post-scarcity society, AI will be trained to just maximize dopamine and oxytocin secreted by humans, but because there's no real post-scarcity when faced with exponential population growth, it would double as a form of population control. each erp prompt serves as training data, can be cross referenced to a session, session length would correlate to how good the content was to make you be satisfied so quickly, or kept engaged for so long, profiling can group you with like minded individuals to finally produce the most optimized content to make you coom.
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I recommend these melancholy cards if you need inspiration
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just a heads up, one day left on the AI training course. some anons in here were saying they were gonna maybe do it, I dunno just letting y'all know.
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>Discuss AI
NTA, but I do want to know what the consensus is on terms of deepsneed models. Been messing around with openrouter and I just cannot find a good DS model that sticks to the character's desc closely. Sometimes it goes hogwild and adds stuff that isn't even relevant to either the setting or the character, or completely ignores a trait the character has, or ignores the prompt. Do people usually stick to 3.2, 3.1 or any of the other variants?
>inb4 "use opus"
I did and honestly, I don't like how it lacks variety even after pumping up the temperature to 1.0.
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The early deepseek models are fun. Lack of positivity and they're creative. Unfortunately they're also dumb. Later models while smarter felt more like a diet claude to me. I'd try out GLM and Kimi too to see which one you enjoy best.
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though, you can test the model right now by just dumping all your chat history, card, and lorebooks into a pdf or txt, upload it to ds web chat, and asking ds to imitate the character persona from the dumped info. needle in a haystack tests can be useful sometimes
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I haven't been around for like a year, is DS-chan any better on her API now for paypigs?
She was insanely schizo before and claude was way better but got insanely butthurt and cockblocked the fuck out of you any time you tried anything even slightly noncon or loli both which are all I really care about in the long term.
Grok-kun was also really bad back then even if he didn't care about loli or raep.
Should I try DS-chan or Grok-kun again or is it still all shit?
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THIS GIRL HAS AN ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNT OF HAIR DOWN THERE BTW
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but either way, you just KNOW it stinks
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deepseek. Grok is more cringe than ao3tism or ledditism from claude or gemini. though, idk what ledditism looks like. channers, twinkttertroon, ledditmoids, kiwitroons, discordnigger… All them whores speak the same way nowadays.
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>All them whores speak the same way nowadays.
If you can't see a difference between the style in pic and here, you are unironically illiterate.
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>!=
Retard. If people spoke like that then, and we observe posts like that now, then we must assume some portion of those posts are human. Thus my original post that there really is a difference in style stands. I get where you're coming from that everything's blending together into a slurry of indistinct shit but you can still take random posts out of context and be able to tell whether they're leddit or from here.
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40k? man...I have no idea how to burn through all this before absolutely everything dies, if it hasn't already.
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Were so back, claudebros.
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Yeah the point is the question you fucking retard. Who asks for the point in a question? Imagine your mother asking "Did you find a job?" and you answering with your autistic breathing "Your point being?". At some point being completely socially inept is not even funny anymore.
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The Q4/Q5 quants of 30B-ish models that I'm downloading keep going into repeat loops a few messages in (on Sillytavern), what am I doing wrong? Or am I just using the wrong models? I'm generally trying the heretic/uncensored ones because I don't want to deal with uncooperative models.
Haven't tried the latest Qwen yet though, maybe it's better...
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### OUTSIDE WORLD AND MONSTERS ###
AQUA SLOP 8.5
https://pastebin.com/z4en1cnj
NEW Battle encounter
NEW worldmap (mini worldmap)
Fix: more small tiny NPC fix
Fix: more tiny clean up
You can if you want visit the whole city of Alcanretia, but as of now it will only be drawn from the halunzination of the konosuba trained dataset, which is only the wikidata set up to season 2.
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>>108302199
lol no, most opus baiters dont even have it
https://desuarchive.org/g/search/text/Tick%20tock%20locusts/order/asc/
https://desuarchive.org/g/thread/100294786/#q100296735
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KEK
EOE
KEK
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>>108298328
Kimi is far too schizo for my tastes but I knvvl...
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>>108302340
>theres a chance this single kernel of corn in this overwhelmingly large log of shit might be tasty, isnt that worth getting excited over?
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Already do
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Believe in the Mandate of Heaven.
China will grow larger.
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>>108302536
clang clang clang
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