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Fox edition
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>Keyboard recommendation template:
https://pastebin.com/n220xk9V
>Find vendors
https://www.alexotos.com/keyboard-vendor-list // Up-to-date list of reputable vendors with brief descriptions
https://keycaplendar.firebaseapp.com // Tracker for current and upcoming keycap group buys
>This keyboard stuff is so expensive!
https://aliexpress.com (or Taobao if you know how)
>Learn about MX-type switches ("mechanical keyboard switches")
https://rentry.org/mkg_switches // Introductory guide
https://www.theremingoat.com // Switch reviews
https://www.switchesdb.com // Compare force curves
>Split and non-standard layout resources
https://compare.splitkb.com
https://keyboard-design.com
>What does ______ do to a keyboard's sound?
https://blacksimon.tv/science (Google sheet)
>Practice typing
https://monkeytype.com
https://www.keybr.com
https://thetypingcat.com
https://play.typeracer.com
>How Cherry switches do backlighting, and why it's not ideal
https://rentry.org/mkg_backlight
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fox <3
Anyways I finally managed to send Joe that fucking down payment through Wise. So that's like 1/6th of what I have to cough up, no backing down now.
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>$999 to have this thing on your desk
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>here's your S tier endgame Jane backplate bro
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spending more than $100 for a keyboard case alone is ultimate goycattle niggerslave behavior
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imagine designing this
imagine MOQ on this
imagine buying this
imagine it all
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>lubed nylons
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>>108494277
I understand.
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>>108494263
fuck your carpet
just get one of those gamer wrist rests from Razer or whatever
they offer peak comfort over bullshit like metal or wooden rests
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>>108493504
https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/greetech-brown-50g-tactile
8 cents per switch, scratchier than MX Browns
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>>108494692
why not get the real deal
>Cherry MX2A-GUNW Unlubed Browns
>lubed with TriboSys 3204 on stems
>TX Films 0.15mm
>TX 18mm 60g springs (bag lubed with Krytox GPL105)
>Galatea CEM-3 1.6mm solder PCB
>Alu 1.0mm half plate
>clipped and lubed Cherry stabs with Geon wires
>DCS beige keycaps
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when you tune your stabs, you are in fact being trained to play with cum
you just don't know it yet
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>>108495009
The fact that nobody does force curves is so maddening.
If they don't have the tech to do them, fine, whatever, but at the very least if you're trying to sell me a tactile I want to know:
- Is the bump light, medium, or heavy?
- Does the bump start at the top, or after some pre-travel?
- Is the bump long and round, or short and sharp?
Tell me all this plus the spring weight/length and I can at least make an informed decision about whether it's the kind of switch I'm interested in buying.
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Ok so I guess it's harder to replace a USB port than I figured...
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>>108496222
it's all just preferences
some people make themselves sensitive enough to ~5g differences
most people are okay with anything below 70g
just. buy. a. sample. pack. of. different. switches. and. be. fucking. free. of. it.
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>>108496296
okay badass
let's see you type with these springs
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>>108493291
Thank you for posting the funny fox and brightening my day a little in-between boring stuff like studying x and researching y :)
I love mechanical keyboards! They're one of the main reasons why I could never own a laptop (yes I know some have pseudo-mechanical KBs but they're just not the same)
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Assume I have to pick one of the following linear switches, price is the same for all:
Gateron yellow pro (no idea which version)
Epomaker flamingo
Epomaker wisteria linear
What's the best switch, quality-wise here?
I'd say the gaterons but then again I've been out of the loop for a while
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>>108482908
>https://www.amazon.com/BOYI-YK82-Programmable-Gasket-Mounted-Mode-Swi tching/dp/B0D66VZT4D
Bought this, arrived today
I'm floored, I have zero complaints about this keyboard, finish is good and the keycaps and switches are good quality and the stabs are good and it's full aluminum. Forty bucks. Goddamn
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i think the little programmable keybinds with displays is a pretty neat idea
have like a specific shitposting preset, gaming preset etcetra
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>>108497011
He already said he wants her, you don't have to keep selling him on her!
>>108497649
It's a shame they seem to have run out of that color. The only ones remaining don't look very good imo
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>>108497877
here unc damn
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>>108497728
No numpad = the keyboard at the center of the monitor = more comfortable typing.
>just center a regular keyboard
Less space for the mouse. If you absolutely need a numpad having it on the left is better.
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all of you shut the fuck up now
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I spent $65 to order a GMK104 which is $10-$15 more over a GMK108 for my silent build, how badly did I fuck up on the off-chance the screen is an annoyance more than an asset?
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GET OUT OF MY HEAD
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>>108500764
heh, funny
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Noo, don't leave! :(
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nice feet bro
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3 years now I've owned a Varmilo VA Series V2 Koi Bluetooth and I love it.
I thought I'd hate having a wireless keyboard but this battery only needs charged once a year, I'm not exaggerating. Latency is imperceptible. Silent Cherry keys, it feels soooo good and doesn't CLICK-CLACK like other mechanicals.
I don't know where this keyboard ranks for any of you but it's always been reliable for me.
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>>108502244
Dirty and grimy. Never once cleaned, but forever cherished.
I'm proud of her.
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>dark alphas
>light mods
>light numpad
what in the fuck is this?
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I was disassembling my board to clean it and I noticed this on the back of nearly all of the switches. What is it, excess lube pooling out somehow?
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>>108502146
They're good, but unless you know for sure you want the slightly less tactile bump or the sound that pandas get you I'd rec U4Ts over them. Smoother, less wobble, just a better switch overall imo.
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Blacks on Alu
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I got the Das Keyboard 4 pro in the mail today, the MX browns aren't as tactile as I hoped, but I do think it's for the best, evidently they're better for gaming. Also it's a bit awkward typing on it, but I just need to get used to it after using the same cheap Dell keyboard for years.
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Spring-swapped Cherry MX Brown hyperglides again.
This time I did 14mm 55g TX springs, lubed with 107. Switches left unlubed, filmed with DrewKeys rubber silicone switch films.
The switches sound significantly deeper, as if I'd given them a thick 205g0 lubing, and all I did was spring swap and film. I was 80% sure that filming made a difference before, now I'm 100% sure. It's night and day. Not sure if these particular films make a bigger difference than most, maybe they did.
These springs feel almost the same as stock, just a tiny bit lighter. If I'd had some 60g 15mm springs I would have used those instead, but this is nearly as good. I think Cherry got it more or less right with their stock springs, other than the awful ping.
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>>108505585
MX browns are barely tactile at all. It's an acquired taste. They're almost a linear.
I've been using them for over 10 years and I think they're very fine switches. But when I first tried them I did think "these feel weird, they're hardly tactile at all". I wasn't one to fuss and return keyboards just because they were slightly disappointing, so I stuck with it.
I think of those as my first 100 Cherry browns. I have purchased many hundreds since
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>>108506719
Multiple layout options
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005007960086343.html
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is gasket bounciness actually something I should give a shit about? I can spend like $60 to "upgrade" my board to make the gasket mounting a lot more flexible, but I have no frame of reference to tell if it's worth it
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>>108507649
should probably watch some reviews about the keyboard or something
not all keyboards with gasket mounting are as flexible as the marketing suggests
I have multiple keyboards that have gasket mounting but only one of them has that unique feeling of typing on clouds (my keychron q1 v2)
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imagine spending $130 for GMK keycaps LMAO
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I'm too much of a pussy to ride the scratch on thin ABS plastic
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safety protocols = DCSengaged
it's time to ride
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should i just buy this its like $40 will it be reliable for actual non-gaming computer use or will it miss keystrokes and piss me off
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>>108511377
or the Endgame Gear KB65HE which is like $50 and impresses the ocd youtube man optimum
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My F1-8x v2 Classic just arrived and I built it up with Cherry Nixies (filmed) and dry. This is the first 'high end' keyboard that I am very disappointed in. It sounds so hollow and thin... just not a pleasure to type on. The Neo65cu sounds so much better and 1/2 the price, WITH tri-mode connectivity. Sad waste of $500 honestly.
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>>108511434
where THE FUCK is the Home key?
>>108511377
why THE FUCK would you want an Ins key instead of an End or Home key?
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you're telling me a shrimp silenced these switches?
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Found this old thing in a room at work along with other shit from the 90's. Took it home and cleaned it up. Has a fantastic feel to it, good solid keyboard with some weight to it. Feels like I could kill someone with it. The keys are fantastic as well, feels like I'm back in the public library I used to frequent when I was like 6 or 7.
Do you have to buy chinkshit PS/2 to USB adapters, or do better solutions exist nowadays?
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my neo ergo finally arived
gonna build it tomorrow. now I just have to decide what to put on it. it's silver. do I keep it simple and go with mt3 wob? or maybe gmk 80082 blu. I also just got mt3 dusk and camillo on clearance before drop went under but camillo doesn't have the spacebars for alice
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Beige on ABS
Blacks on Alu
can't go wrong with the classics
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demoralized keygem customer here. july marks my 2 year keygem experience. they offered me a refund 2-3 months ago which I accepted now their official support is ignoring me for the past 6 or so weeks without a single respond. I email them on a weekly basis. as far as I can see they also started getting more and more negative reviews not just on trustpilot but also on reddit and other social media plattforms. I have written that money off but who knows, as long as I can save someone from that place I will keep bringing them up here now and then.
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It was a paypal payment from like 20 months ago. I doubt that works and desu I dont even want to bother. Dont want to find out what kind of consequences that can bring if something goes wrong. like I said the money is already written off, if I get it back its basically bonus money at this point.
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>>108516735
I bought a cycle7 from ebay. It was pretty much unused and was the alternative anyway. It was techbear8 (which I ordered) or cycle8 and I picked the unlucky one. Should have went with ebay to begin with since the whole thing took like a few days from start to finish and was pretty much the same price as going with a group buy (180€
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I'm going to import a PSU from the US because one like I want is not available in my country. I'm looking for a unit for a fileserver, with perhaps 1000W and many Molex and/or SATA power cables. Recommendations?
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Today I was dreaming of assembling my F122, it's getting out of hand. I really need to find a job quick to pay up for the damn thing already.
https://aliexpress.com/item/4001238771239.html
In the meantime I ordered this cable just so that I use up the expiring coins from last year, knocked off a decent amount on the price with them.
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>>108493291
I've been trying a bunch of switches and boards for a few years now, yet somehow a relatively simple/unexciting combo I've cobbled together on a whim has far and away become my preferred daily driver board. It's not a fancy magnetic/optical board. It's not a sturdy buckling spring board (I love my Model FSSK but it's not a daily-driver board for me). It's just Kailh BOX Ice Cream Pro Max switches in a Keychron V6, with KSA keycaps. What the fuck.
Also: rough but loving consensual babymaking sex with racist foxes.
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Why isn't it possible?
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Blaecks on Alu
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artisan keycap users should be hung by their dicks
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>>108519392
Would need to be a hellaciously strong spring to get the right tactility in a normal Cherry sized switch which has all sorts of manufacturing problems and still wouldn't feel or sound the same
That Silo beamspring switch problem ran into a virtually identical problem and opted instead to go hall effect, which doomed the problem by missing its own point and opting for a dedicated HE PCB to accommodate physically larger/taller switches instead of an MX form-factor that it interest-checked and initially billed itself as
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do you dare to take it RAW?
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are these white Alps?
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MX Blacks are timeless mechanical switches
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>wake up
>remember this thread exists
>look inside
>despite tranny posting it is somehow better than what it was last year
I'm pleasantly surprised
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why can't yuros into designing keyboards
imagine greenlighting this shit
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You wouldn't get it
(Although I don't like the particular definition of Logos he chose, which reeks of Reddit)
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>>108524800
With that said... the style he's going for does feel 10-15 years out of date. But culture and style has been moving at a snail's pace over that decade and a half, so that's not as damning as it used to be.
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now this is how you appeal to pretentious wankers
PREORDER IT NOW TO TAKE PART IN STEF'S TRILOGY OF SLOPBOARDS
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Yeah the MX Master is comfy AF, I already got fully used to flicking the wheel without having to unlock it first like in the G502. Still gotta find a good use for the macro buttons and the vertical scroll wheel, I mainly coughed up the money for it to have a more ergonomic mouse for daily use so that my wrist won't hurt as much.
Shame it's Logitech who's left doing good mouse designs given how dogshit their build quality and their software is. I did find this FOSS project that partially replicates the functionality of Logi's trashware, so that's nice. Hopefully it'll only get better and support more mice.
https://github.com/TomBadash/Mouser
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suggestions for a keyboard please?
mech keyboard with tactile switches and per key rbg backlighting. It must have a volume control. Ideally TKL or full size. UK layout. full length key travel.
I have a logitech 710+ which is great, but that i going to my wfh setup and I want new shiny.
I have seen the Logitech G PRO X TKL Lightspeed Wireless which can come with tacile switches and that looks good. I am hoping for some alternatives to compare to.
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absolutely based
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you mean everything to me
I wish I never met you
I'll never feel the same way I felt
when I first held you
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>>108523711
>defines logos as Aristotelianly but in "erm, that's a logical fallacy"-speak
>does not define logos neoplatonistly (superior)
>in English, not Latin (better) or Greek (best)
mega cringe. Luckily nobody looks that closely at some bullshit on the back of the keyboard
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Does anyone here know what's the polling rate for Matias Tactile Pro? Wherever I search I can't find the info, neither on the official site nor reviews. I suppose it's 1000Hz but it'd be nice to know for sure.
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Just built my 722 and every key except the spacebar thin. Like unreasonably thin... anyone also notice this or have suggestions for improving the sound?
Specs: V1.1 1.5mm full alu plate, Apollo fr4 hotswap pcb 1.6mm, 600k actuation mx blacks 205g0, Tx stabs
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>buy an epomaker
>prorprietary software is ass and sometimes change language itself in chinese and is generally super buggy
>it breaks after 1 year with buttons not responding or triple quadruple clicking like ttttttttttttttttttttt for example
>buy a Ducky
>again another proprietary software that is buggy as fuck
>randomly decide to stop working depending on the weather condition basically, and just restart working on it's own in the same way (wired and wireless)
Meanwhile i still have a $5 membrane keyboard Microsoft brand that is 20 years old at this point WORKING PERFECTLY LIKE A CHARM STILL
>tfw fell for the mechanical meme
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if you had asked for a recommendation, people would have told you to get something with qmk and you would have never had those firmware problems
buying bottom of the barrel trash off amazon is your fault
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Keyboard recommendation
>Budget: Up to $300.
>Location: Europe, but I'm ready to order from the US and have it shipped here through a forwarder.
>Switches: I have no idea. I know jack shit about keyboards and mechanical keyboards. But my use cases for the keyboard are coding, typing text, using shortcuts in programs. I don't want the keyboard to be some kind of noisy thing. I do want it to feel pleasant to type and to press the keys, whatever that means. Feel free to suggest switches or types of them. I think ideally I would prefer to buy everything in one package without buying something separately.
>Layout: ANSI or ISO, it doesn't matter. I guess I prefer ANSI, but I don't know.
>Form factor: 75%. In general I want something without the numpad, but with arrows and with Home/PageUp/PageDown/End buttons, or close to it. I kinda want my hands to be roughly centered on the keyboard. Feel free to suggest other sizes if you think they're better for this.
>Backlight: I don't care.
>Current keyboard: My current keyboard is a membrane keyboard with a layout that is like ANSI, except that the Enter key is L-shaped in exactly the same orientation as the letter L (i.e. it's not like on ISO where it's an upside down L), and the key that is above the Enter key on ANSI is instead placed to the left of backspace, which takes only one key. I do not necessarily want this layout, it seems to be non-standard.
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Very interesting find, Skyloong GK68 Mix has a PCB cross-compatible with both hall effect switches and normal MX switches, and has a socket for a knob module in the upper-right that can still have a switch of either type put in it instead
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bros I can't get enough of this layout, I'm never going back
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I gotta say, after using this for a little while, the tent feels good but I wish it was a little steeper. Also, it could just be my imagination but the angle on the layout itself doesn't feel as aggressive as what I'm used to so I kind of wish it was sharper.
From an engineering point of view, this is the best board with the cleanest build experience I've ever used. The tent, the split pcbs with pogo pins, the ball catch with thick silicone force breaks around the corners, the extra row on the left to try to preserve symmetry, everything is well thought out. I haven't used any other neo boards, but I can see why people praise this one in particular so much.
My biggest complaints are really just that I wish right shift had a non-split stabilized option and the front of the board is kind of plain and ugly. I see now why so many people hide it with the wrist rest in pictures. But for an in stock alice at sub-$200 this thing is in a league of its own. Basically unbeatable. Extremely easy recommendation from me for anyone who wants an alice. It's so easy to build I kind of regret going with a solder pcb. I'm going to pick up a hotswap pcb just because it's basically built to be fucked around with.
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>melodics
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It's been over a week since my realforce r3s tkl arrived and I started using it, so I'd like to give my impressions as someone who's been using membranes for as long as I can remember.
>looks
I find the understated gold-ish coloration to be strikingly aesthetic, easily one of the best keyboard color schemes I've seen from browsing the internet and lurking here. I would have been ok with anything that doesn't look like shit so this was a nice bonus.
>fatigue and typing feel
One of my biggest complaints about my cherry stream was that it was a little too hard to press and would get fatiguing in gaming. Unfortunately, this keyboard is also kind of fatiguing, but I've been gaming less so I don't care as much anymore kek. On the other hand, typing feel has been great. The soft, smooth smushiness of the keys as they slide down is satisfying, especially with how much depth there is for each key press.
>sound
Very satisfying. This has been a complete surprise for me because I mainly just wanted to get as quiet a keyboard as possible, so I wasn't expecting the sound to matter at all beyond that. But in combination with the feel of the keys it's been a significant source of enjoyment whenever I type. My only minor complaint is that I don't like the hard thud of the spacebar and it's hard not to bottom it out with my thumb.
>overall impression
This has been a shockingly good purchase. I really wasn't expecting to gain this much enjoyment out of it, especially from the sound of all things. It makes me understand why you guys make such a big deal out of those particular details.
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also, it came with chopsticks!
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>rotate the 1st picture in my phone, rotation is preserved in the uploaded file
>don't bother rotating the 2nd picture, rotation is applied in the proper direction after being uploaded
...huh
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>>108539240
just get Cherry Browns
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Which do you think you'd like?
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>I hate clones so let me just shine the fuck out of my real GMK keycaps
lmao at these retards
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>I see this as generational wear, once it goes to your kids or some other loved one they will see you used it and it will have your dings and scratches on it.and then they add there own. I think it is part of the charm of using stuff, keeping everything looking 100% new and unused is boring imho.
>I love accruing various dents, nicks, and anything that isn’t just straight dirt or grime on my stuff. Like to say it “builds character”
>these are tools and tools get wear from use. embrace the wabi sabi side of tool ownership
imagine coping this hard over trash QC
nice Jane V2 CE you got there bro
wabi sabi bullshit
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>>108539415
Well I feel like this animation doesn't tell me much or maybe I'm just retarded. But from what I've read on the internet, tactile and clicky ones are good for typing, and I don't want too much noise, so probably tactile. Unless you have a reason to recommend me clicky ones?
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>>108540979
no no no
go with MX Browns
specifically the new MX2A Browns
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>>108541046
what keyboard then
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oh wait
that piece of shit takes a while to ship
just get the Neo75 with the Alu plate add-on
>https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/products/neo75-aluminum-plateless-75- barebones-wireless-diy-keyboard-kit ?variant=52549764940076
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>>108542638
if you want to build it yourself I would say just get a classic tkl though that isn’t a 75%, otherwise maybe one of the cheaper keychron Q series boards like
https://www.keychron.com/products/keychron-q1?variant=39898879131737
if you get the keychron, you just need switches and keycaps, if you get a custom board you also need stabilizers and 205g0. for switches, it’s difficult to recommend something that someone has no idea what they’re looking for. to play it safe I would say just get literally any hmx linear. I say hmx in particular because they have the some of best factory lube jobs (keygeek is also good in this regard) so you get the best out of the box experience as a beginner, the materials they use are always great and linear is just a safe way to play it
for keycaps I’d recommend keykobo or pbtfans just to not completely break bank while still getting something decent
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i want a keyboard with a trackpoint integrated
the TEX Yoda II looks cool but its no longer being made AFAIK. the Shura has stupid looking keycaps
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the TEX Shura which is currently in production has the trackpoint system but the keycaps look fucking stupid i don't want a fucking typewriter
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>>108543198
the more important thing that sucks about these two keyboards is the lack of a ~` key. i am constantly shift+esc out of terminals and being a piece of shit in general
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>>108543129
the free market says no one needs that crap
>>108543215
man up and settle down with a 60%
I recommend the Glare65 with HMX Lunar Stones
very user friendly
zero scratch
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the HHKB Studio looks okay, i guess? expensive and its missing arrow keys without being smaller like a 60%. i don't like designs that just waste the footprint i makes no sense
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Glare65
so hot right now
Glare65
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>>108543269
you shilled for HMX in the first place
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>just get literally any hmx linear
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>>108543129
Too niche. The patents have since expired but no one, not even Lenovo, can be bothered to release a product like this. They used to sell picrel, now it's out of production and they haven't released a new one. Unicomp also makes repros of the M13 under the name EnduraPro, but it's Unicomp, and they only ship that within the US. The interest for those is also too low for Joe to bother to deal with a Model F repro variant of his of an M13, so we're really speaking "made to order" levels of niche here.
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i used to have a key that did this. sat perfectly with the feet on the edges, not pressing down any keys. i would like to find another one that does this
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>>108544806
"mechanical" is an ambiguous term when it comes to keyboards where any definition you can cook up has some exceptions that break the rule. 99% of the time when people say "mechanical" what they mean is "not a regular-ass rubber dome over membrane".
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behold, a mechanical key switch
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DESIGN CHOICES
fffuUUUCCK
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>trying to find a normal 80% PS/2 kb
ive come to the realization that """keyboard enthusiasts""" are hipster larpers that dont actually care about the quality and performance of their board but instead care about stupid trends and minor esthetics like tinkertroons
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>>108545694
>PS/2
usb is superior in every single way. unless you were just collecting old hardware for fun there is no reason to ever use it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aXbh9VUB3U
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