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best TKL coming through

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woops
I meant the GLARE
LOOK AT THAT THING GLARING

>>108545713
>>108545735
What's the point of tkls when 75% and 96% exist

>>108545774
symmetry
TKLs are 100% ANSI minus the numpad
it looks good
it feels good
simple as

75% is for gays, might as well settle for 65%
96% just looks crowded and redundant when 100% exists
>65, 80, 100
so nice

>>108545782
>symmetry
???
an unexploded 75% has more symmetry than a tkl

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>>108545802
the free market believes otherwise
and so do I
so say we all

just had an revolutionary idea. while our hands are occupied with our beautiful keyboards, we should be able to operate the moues using our feet. you heard it first from me.

>>108546041
get a femboy to operate your moues with his feet

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Cherry should polish their stems from the factory
we wouldn't need to break them in

nothing beats MX Blacks for linears
fuck these long pole toys

>>108545802
I don't care how you "argue" the point, I look at an exploded 75% and it's just obviously a bad, ugly design. Easily the worst of all the popular layouts, looks-wise.

Watched the Alexotos stream of the Antipode Logos. Sounds the same as my Daring Run Flip 6P (less than half the price)

But also the Daring Run Flip 6P is a great-sounding board (once you mod away a couple of problems) so it's not, you know, a bad thing necessarily

>>108546482
based
fuck Antipode keyboards
chicom boards keep on winning

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>>108545774
Maintaining the layout your muscle memory has been accustomed to for decades, because maintaining muscle memory efficiency > meme layouts that rearrange the golden standard since the 80's when it was first introduced.

>>108545786
>96% just looks crowded and redundant when 100% exists
No you have to take a huge steaming dump on your muscle memory to save those precious two centimeters worth of desk space you'd otherwise save by shifting your keyboard two centimeters to the left please understand this is the new standard of keyboards

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I am going fucking insane
>melatonin dreams ensue
>pick up a package
>it's the Brand New Model F122
>but I haven't paid it off yet
>and it's all sorts of fucked
>keys are already attached
>and it has visible use
>and some of the keys are missing
>and some of them are cracked
>and not every extra is included
>every single fear of getting one realized
>how did it even get shipped to me if I haven't paid it off
>wake up
>mfw still no F122
>mfw still no job
>mfw still no money to pay it off in full
I need to wagecuck.
I need to earn that bread.
I need to pay off that F122 in full.
I need to get that bitch on my desk ASAP or I'll lose my fucking mind.

>>108546715
>because maintaining muscle memory efficiency > meme layouts
there is nothing efficient about ansi lmao

>>108546763
Having to rewire your brain for a meme layout you'll only ever be able to use at home is even more of a meme. Same goes for Dvorak, it'll be more counter-intuitive than optimizing your QWERTY muscle memory.

Then again, NEETdom is prevalent ITT so the idea that you won't be able to take your $2000 custom memeboard to your workplace and have to deal with cheapo membranes is a non-issue in the never ending LARP faggotry.

>>108546773
Jesus man touch grass you sound fucking ridiculous.

>>108546715
based beyond belief
a real man stands by what is right

>>108546749
honestly if you lived near me I'd pay you enough for two F122s
nothing in return except creamy long pole bottom outs in my mouf
you hunky stud, you!

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>>108546782
Tell me the practical purpose of removing the PgUp/PgDn and Print Screen, then rearraging what's left for saving 2cm of width that can be gained on a 100% keyboard by physically moving it those 2cm to the left.

Your muscle memory will now constantly hit numpad keys as it attempts to hit the non-existent nav cluster, and you gain nothing in return.
>inb4 you don't need those keys
Some of us are adults and actually do work on our computers.

>>108546773
This idea that it's difficult to switch between layouts is fantasy, You can do both... Your brain is capable of remembering different things without effort, especially with regards to something as automatic as muscle memory, hence why "like riding a bike" is such a popular expression.

I give people like you the benefit of the doubt and assume muh muscle memory is just cope and you just don't try different layouts rather than taking it less charitable with the idea that you're literally a brain damaged retard in a wheelchair or something and your peanut brain just isn't capable.

>>108546799
>Your muscle memory will now constantly hit numpad keys as it attempts to hit the non-existent nav cluster
Are you like the guy from memento? Your brain is capable of adapting and learning new things and switching between those things as it needs to.

I don't like 1800s just because 1u 0 is stupid but I get the appeal. It's basically a full size that's only 1u wider than a tkl. This isn't hard to understand.

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>>108546805
>>108546816
I don't see the benefit, you're introducing an unnecessary problem to your workflow for no real benefit. Dvorak aside, the typing cluster is the exact same on every keyboard. What all the meme layouts shift around are all the function keys. These are useless on mobile phones, but crucial on PC's. I have the desk space for a 100% keyboard, I constantly use the numpad and the nav cluster, so any attempts at shifting it around is counter-intuitive to me. The 96% layouts are especially egregious due to how pointless they are. You'll gain more in terms of mouse space and usability from using a TKL/shifting the numpad to the left than from doing this shit.

My hatred of the meme layouts stems from the fact that they've completely eroded classic 104-key layouts from the market so if you wish for a standard, non-botched keyboard in the current market, you're going against the grain and it's a PITA to find what you want.

I still believe this eruption of all these meme layouts stems from smartphones taking over the world and people not using PC's the same way people used them for decades, so picrel is the ideal layout for those people, and unfortunately they're the ones dictating market trends.

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>>108546826
>I don't see the benefit, you're introducing an unnecessary problem to your workflow for no real benefit
In my case, split space substantially improved my workflow to the point that a nav cluster/arrows is simply less efficient, slower, redundant and ultimately completely unnecessary. I don't even use those arrow keys anymore. The only time I ever want to have physical arrow keys at this point is when doing unproductive things like looking at porn. When I'm actually working both hands are on the keyboard. This objectively works better for me by every conceivable metric and because I have a functioning brain I can still use a standard ansi layout just fine whenever I need to.

>>108546862
Except this makes sense, you have a dedicated modifier button for macros and Vim navigation. Split space helps with making the access to it easier compared to repurposing Left Alt for example, and it doesn't replace it. Plus, the fact that your workflow is keyboard focused is more down to the software and having the right mindset, not to the keyboard layout. So really, adding a split spacebar to an ANSI layout would allow you to accomplish the same workflow, but you went with the minimized ergo whatever out of preference, not because that's the only way to accomplish your workflow.

This still doesn't explain why butchering the ANSI layout is better than using TKL which started the entire argument. The argument would be "why use TKL when 75% and 96% exists". Both are significantly inferior to TKL or full ANSI and only serve to force you to re-learn your muscle memory for no real space saving benefit, which is the only reason they're being shilled to begin with.

IBM solved this issue back in the 80's. You have a normal desk, you get a full-size. You're short on desk space, you get a TKL. Everything else is trying to reinvent the wheel for zero benefit. And if you go for an ergo layout like yours, that's a completely different story.

>>108546901
75% saves more space than a tkl. 1800 gives you more functionality than a tkl while only taking up marginally more space

>>108546912
How much space do you need to save is the question. TKL is sufficient enough to give space for your mouse and put the typing cluster to the center, and if you were to shift both the numpad and the nav cluster to the left, you'd sacrifice no functionality for the same benefit.

If anything, the amount of photos of people's desks on Reddit where they have those 1800/75%/whatever extreme space saving layouts on a huge fuck-off desks where they could fit two battleships is enough of a sign that they're a meme and not an actual practical benefit over a classic TKL.

People just like overpaying for those minimal layouts because it's fashionable. Even in the most claustrophobic Japanese apartment an SSK Model M would suffice.

>>108546715
ahh
what a chonky beauty
love the stepped ISO enter key

>>108546912
it's a good thing the best designers and hobbyists in the game have always preferred TKLs over 75%/1800s

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holy fuck
Gaterons on Alu on the Glare TKL!

>>108547618
>yellows
Fucking casuals

>>108547688
akshully they're Gat X V1 with black nylon bottoms
polished rails and stem
far removed from casualcore

>>108546715
>Maintaining the layout your muscle memory has been accustomed to for decades
exactly what are you doing on your keyboard where you need to maintain muscle memory for the fucking print screen and scroll lock keys

>>108548337
Print screen = taking screenshots
The entire bit below it = daily use for just about everything

Like I said, some of us are adults and do actual work on our computers. There is no benefit to getting rid of those keys, or moving them in completely different places if you're not some retard chasing trends.

>>108548337
it's called convenience

>>108548380
>Print screen = taking screenshots
if you are implying taking a screenshot on a 96% layout is such a massive difference from taking a screenshot on a fullsize then you are genuinely mentally retarded and have bigger issues than your keyboard layout
There are 96% layouts that are genuinely more intuitive than fullsize because the delete and PgUp/PgDn keys are closer to the alphabet keys
t. working on a 96%

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>>108548380
>There is no benefit to getting rid of those keys
what keys does this get rid of

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luv me accents

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>>108548485
>>108548494
What is the benefit of it over a 96%? You keep defending your meme layout like your life depends on it yet you can't bring a single valid argument why it's better than a standard 104-key ANSI layout.
Also:
>more intuitive
>End is above PgUp
>Home is shoved in all the way in the top right
>the PrtSc/ScrLk/PsBrk cluster is swapped around for no good reason
Again, give me one good reason why this is better than keeping the layout as it was back when it was introduced in 1985. All of this frothing at the mouth because someone dares to tell you this shit's retarded and you can't give one good valid reason what you gain compared to a standard 104-key ANSI doing this shit.

>>108548494
trash non stab shift
trash crowding around the arrows
trash trash trash
you need space and lines and boundaries for symmetry and peak use experience
fuck this abomination

>>108548557
>What is the benefit of it over a 96%
you save space with a more space efficient layout, that's the entire point and the single reason why other layouts besides fullsize exists in the first place. Just because you're too retarded to recognize the benefit of that doesn't mean it's not better for anyone that's not as autistic as you.
>End is above PgUp
>Home is shoved in all the way in the top right
>the PrtSc/ScrLk/PsBrk cluster is swapped around for no good reason
Again, more mental retardation that operates on the false assumption adapting to a slightly different layout for navigation keys is some kind of insurmountable challenge and not like 15 minutes of retraining your muscle memory. Not to mention you can literally just reprogram the keys to whatever layout you want
>Again, give me one good reason why this is better than keeping the layout as it was back when it was introduced in 1985
How about, give me one good reason why keeping an old and outdated layout from 1985 is better, other than austistic screeching like >>108548558

>>108548628
gobbledegook

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>>108548628
>you save space with a more space efficient layout
Here's how to get 96%'s "space savings" with a full-size ANSI keyboard:
1. Grab your keyboard by the sides
2. Lift it up
3. Move it ever so slightly to the left
4. Put it down
5. Let go of the keyboard
Just saved you $500 or however much you've overpaid for a meme layout you keep defending out of buyer's remorse.

>adapting to a slightly different layout for navigation keys is some kind of insurmountable challenge
Again, more mental retardation where you're trying to excuse a problem that is being introduced for no reason. Why do we have to replace the ANSI layout with your 96% fuckery?

>give me one good reason why keeping an old and outdated layout from 1985 is better
Oh that's why. You actually don't have a valid argument and you're doing the exact same thing Wayland/Rust shills do. Claim old = bad and needs to be replaced with new thing NOWNOWNOW or else... or else you'll probably bully everyone into doing so anyways since that's all you care about and you don't have a single valid argument to defend your meme layout.

IBM solved the space saving issue in 1985. You have a normal desk, you get a full-size. You have a small desk, you get a TKL. Everything else you try to shill is a meme. A fashion trend.

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Check this out, a completely new radical concept no one ever thought about to solve the mouse space issue once and for all:
Shifting the nav cluster and numpad to the left.
You get the same benefits of a TKL when it comes to mouse space, the typing area can now be directly in front of your monitor, and you get to keep your numpad and nav cluster without having to do 96% key layout randomizing!

Like holy shit Keychron, fucking pay me! I just made you like a million dollars with this one simple trick!
Oh wait, no one would buy this because this makes too much sense so it wouldn't sell as this hobby has been completely overrun by estrogen dissolved brains that only care about chasing trends and destroying everything they ever touch like a bunch of locusts!

Oh how silly of me to think that this hobby is about practicality!

>>108548710
cursed.
we write from left to right in the West, Mohammed.

>>108548682
>Just saved you $500 or however much you've overpaid for a meme layout you keep defending out of buyer's remorse
That's rich coming from the guy posting his meme IBM keyboards he got for $300 used off of ebay when every half-decent chinkboard these days costs less than $100.
>le move it to the sides xD
That doesn't solve the space issue retard, you're just crowding the left side of your desk now instead of the right. You're like those kids in that experiment where the tard wrangler pours equal volumes of water into two different sized cups and when they ask you which cup has more water you point to the taller one.
>You actually don't have a valid argument
I do, actually. You're just too retarded to understand why having more space on your desk is a good thing regardless of desk size so you can autistically defend your layout just because it's old.
>You have a small desk, you get a TKL
Defending TKL is even worse than defending fullsize. For the negligible space you save vs. a 96% you chop off all the functionality you get with a numpad. It's 0% of the space saving for 80% of the functionality. Peak retardation made for retards like you

>>108548759
>That doesn't solve the space issue retard
Not my issue you live in a favela so small your case is your entire desk space that those six centimeters of saved space is enough to keep shilling 96%.

>you chop off all the functionality you get with a numpad
If only there were dedicated numpads that you could put anywhere else on your desk, or even stow away when not crunching numbers thanks to wireless connectivity. Oh well, guess it really is a major compromise to not have a numpad on your keyboard.

Again, no valid argument. You're suffering from buyer's remorse and it shows.

>>108548803
>"you spend too much money on a 96%!"
>96% keyboards are cheaper than meme IBMs
>"no wait, you're poor!"
I accept your concession.
>If only there were dedicated numpads that you could put anywhere else on your desk
Oh right, another reason why fullsize boards are completely outdated in today's world. Thanks for proving my point lmao

>>108548833
Wait, I thought that you despised TKL's, why suddenly switch topic?
Oh that's right, you're actually mentally deranged and you do anything you can to keep up an argument where you can feel like you're right. My fucking bad I bit the bait this hard.
Go outside or something.

>>108548803
>>108548833
Not to mention, if you are going to go for the split numpad then you might as well go for 75% instead of TKL. You are defending two of the least efficient, most outdated layouts on the market, and I say that as someone who believes anyone who owns a 60% board should be shot in the streets.

>>108548862
"Outdated" is not an argument. x86 is outdated. C is outdated. Windows NT is outdated. Linux is outdated. USB-A is outdated. MX style switches are outdated. Yet that's what runs the world today.

Just because something's old doesn't mean it's bad therefore it needs to be changed.

>>108548892
Half of what you mentioned aren't even outdated and the ones that are are still in use because change is slow, not because they're optimal or efficient. Every dell keyboard for the next half century is still going to be a full-size layout. Does that mean it's a good and efficient layout? Of course not. It just means it's good enough for the lowest common denominator who are resistant to change and like to hold onto things for the sake of it, like you.

>you WILL adapt to the New Thing™
>you WILL drop the Old Thing™
>YOU are a luddite refusing to adapt to the new reality
Huh, thought this was a hobby about choice and preference, not a communist revolution to overthrow the old order.

>>108548710
just buy a tkl with a separate numpad
>>108548759
all the endgame boards are 1800/75- oh wait THAT'S RIGHT FUCKER I GOT YOU NOW
THEY'RE ALL TKLS
YOU LOSE RETARD CRAWL BACK INTO YOUR 1800 HOLE

>>108549004
>THEY'RE ALL TKLS
But worse :^)

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>oh I need a TKL/1800/75%/60% for gayming because i need mouse space
>meanwhile e-sports pros
Maybe the actual meme keyboard you're looking for is one of those one-handed gayming keyboards that only has the left half of the keyboard used for gayming without the other half that's not needed while gayming so you can have all the mouse space for gayming to maximize your gayming gains, you know

>>108549004
>1800
not a TKL
>75%
a TKL with a more efficient layout
AKA, better than TKL

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SHUT THE FUCK UP
TGR GEON KEYCULT MERISI BAION
EVERYONE MAKES TKL ONLY FUCK
I KNOW IT'S YOU AKB FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR PETRICHOR PIECE OF CRAP
TKLS ARE SUPERIORRRRRR

What's good fancy keyboard with hall effect or whatever is the new meme gimmick with NUMPAD (full size)
I don't want to be gimped. All my USB ports are taken save for the keyboard I need a full size keyboard. I don't care about anything else just give me some full size keyboard that has hall effect switches

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>75%
>more efficient
Oh yeah, forgot that manufacturers slap that label on whatever the fuck they come up with. It means nothing, there is no standard.

100% ANSI and TKL are standardized because IBM came up with them in the 80's and defined keyboard layouts for decades to come.
96%/80%/75%/60% means whatever the fuck because a bunch of delusional faggots came up with them in late 2010's/early 2020's and keep switching things up to keep mindless drones in an endless consoom loop.

Imagine that, you can't even say "75% is superior" because you have infighting within that 75% product bracket of which variation of the layout is superior. It's baffling how many analogies you can pull here to leftist groups/movements. Wanting to uproot the standards, being obnoxious in the promotion of their ideas, and not being able to have a clear and concise opinion within their own group about what it is that they want.

>>108549142
every 75% layout > TKL
Happy?

umm, fellow anon, you have been misinformed. It's acthually the split keyboards that are most efficient and what everyone should use.

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Are Hall effect keyboards considered mechanical ?
are they a meme or an actual improvement over cherry switches ?

>>108549161
My stance is clear. 100% ANSI and TKL are only two valid genders. Layouts. IBM designed those in the 80's, every office keyboard today uses them, no need to change that. The golden standard, the true baseline.
Anything else is a radical change in design, so orthodox, ergo and so on. Those have their own idea that 100% ANSI/TKL cannot offer. Those I respect as they're trying to do their own thing, no hate there.
Anything that attempts to "improve" 100% ANSI or TKL is extremely subversive and gay. Just like Wayland or Rust, it's a fashion, a fad that only aims to destroy perfectly fine technologies, not improve upon existing ones.

>>108549188
IIRC the new evolution are TMR keyboards as TMR is generally more precise than HE, and yes these have a valid reason to exist. Mainly they are the only "gayming" keyboards that actually matter for games. Because there is no fixed mechanical trigger/reset point, you can spam your inputs way faster since now it's all about when you're pressing/letting go of a key, and not the exact point the two metal contacts connect/disconnect that decides whether or not there's an input, and some of the software powered abilities of such keyboards are so good competishit games outright ban them.

Get a 60%/80%/TKL/whatever depending on what you play but don't treat one as your main typing keyboard. They're not universal replacements for Cherry style switches. Besides, nothing beats buckling spring for typing. Basically, different switches for different tasks.

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YESSSS SYMMETRY SUPREMACY

>>108546041
There are people here without peddle setups?

>>108549664
peddles take up valuable leg room

>>108546542
My Daring Run Flip 6P's PCB is so sketchy that I have to use 10ms of defer debounce to stop it from bouncing (even with Cherry switches). And the QMK firmware isn't available so to change the debounce I had to spend an evening building QMK firmware for it with Claude Code, which also allowed me to add an indicator light for num lock (under right ctrl because there is no LED under the num lock switch). Also I had to put tape inside parts of the case to get rid of some really ugly metallic noises that made some of the keys like Backspace sound terrible.

But it's still 'based' because it was cheap and it's a great layout, and after everything it does feel and sound very good. I also ordered the Logos because, again, great layout (and he implemented the change I suggested in the Discord re:lock indicator through-holes, so I felt I had no choice).

>>108549748
>>108549664
"Peddling" is what Novelkeys does. "Pedal" means "belonging to the foot", which is where we get the name for pedals and for "pedaling".

>>108549771
I'm gonna peddle my foot up your ass

>>108549841
English website.

my keyboard is double clicking like motherfucker after i disassembbled it

>>108546475
that's just your dogshit opinion you have becauses youre retarded

>>108546715
neuroplasticity of a 90 year old

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I kind of hate the dividing line thing on the Logos. Made a quick photoshop to show what I mean. Top is my edit, bottom is their design. I slightly darkened the line to make it more visible on both (it's very visible in videos/etc, but faint in the renders).

When you add that line, it visually breaks up the two clusters. But now the clusters appear to have uneven margins. It looks strange.

The gap normally doesn't need to match the bezels. I know that. But when you put a line through it, it no longer looks like a simple gap. It looks like the edges of two independent units. And now your mind expects it to match the bezel.

In the top image, you see how I would remedy this. Smaller bezels on the sides, and a thicker gap in the middle, and to me it looks more correct. Am I wrong?

>>108550431
I just don’t like the divots under the spacebar and the center of the numpad. I thought the seam was because you can southpaw it but I guess it’s purely just an aesthetic choice.

Everything else about the board is cool, especially the weight but I don’t think it’s $400 cool, especially when it lacks features of the flip 6p.

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>>108549142
i like this layout because it's not missing any of the fucking buttons

I started using ANSI keyboards as a joke 3 years ago and now I am unable to use QWERTZ anymore
I don't even have a mechanical keyboard anymore

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>lubricated nylon thock

>>108550724
"Not as good a deal as the Flip 6P" is true but that's 99% of keyboards.

"I don't like the main distinguishing visual feature of this keyboard" is a perfectly fine opinion but it does mean your criticisms are more of the "this isn't for me" variety.

I like all the main decisions made about the style of the board I just think the execution of a few things is sloppy. I would like the gap and bezels adjusted to look a little more visually balanced as per the image.

And I strongly disagree with calling the board Logos when he means something more like reason or logic. If he had chosen more 'live' sense of the word, or if he had called the board "Reason" or "Rationality" or "Ratio" etc., that would have been fine. But Logos? A board with these pretentions has no excuse for being sloppy like that. And it would be trivially easy to get a better definition from e.g. ChatGPT.

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TKLs are superior.

it's all very simple
Yuros CANNOT design keyboards anymore
sole exception being Baionlenja

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there is no reason to consider the Logos when the W1-AT exists

>>108553451
Use case for chode alt and ctrl keys?

>>108553451
Sure the W1-AT exists but it's not actually available for sale. I tried buying one the last time he listed one. I was not able to complete the order fast enough.

>>108553478
it just looks cool
>>108553490
mechmarket is the real vendor for all Geon boards

>>108553507
I don't feel like subsidizing anyone else's Geon regret, sorry. New boards only

holy fuck!
E**** Blaecks! (so fucking good)

what are some linear switches people use today? I've been on mx blacks for a long long time and need to change to something lighter my wrists are not as youthful as they once were

>>108553516
this hobby encourages sloppy seconds
think of broken-in switches
this is no different
man up and be the one to accept her despite her colourful past

>>108554027
MX Blacks reign supreme
just spring swap them to 50g 22mm boingy bois
or get Gateron Smoothies

>>108554043
>just spring swap them to 50g 22mm boingy bois
Don't know if I can be bothered tinkering with my keyboard I gave up this hobby a long time ago I just want to get something off the shelf. I'll check out smoothies

there is also the EE-AT from Bowl
if you can find it in-stock somewhere
try your luck

>>108554027
Gateron red 3.0

>>108555563
smoothie mogs

>>108555601
reds are better overall for typing and gayman

>>108555638
reds are obsolete in 2026
smoothies are smoother and have the same limpwrist actuation as reds
also, baby racoon 2.0s would probably mog reds if we're discounting smoothies

>>108545687
Recommend pre-assembled brands to a retard

>>108555648
smoothies require a lil too much force

>>108555756
keychron

>>108556162
>40g actuation force
come on man

>>108555756
fl esports

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I can't imagine those days when people waited tens of months for their GMK GBs. This one took less than six months from GB to fulfillment.

>>108556823
I can't imagine buying this fag slop in 2026 regardless of how long it took lmao

>>108557048
nice sour grapes you've got there bro

Finally got a nice wooden wristrest so I can be a little lazier while typing.

Now if only I were able to pay for that F122...

Weimar Blaecks

HMX clackers are the best

there aren’t enough alice boards, man. I want a sharper tent than the neo ergo but the type-k was like $700 and ugly. a numpad addition would also be nice but the xlice wasn’t tented and it was also kinda ugly

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ordered some 3d printed keycaps. do you people ever order custom 3d shit for your keyboards?

>>108558993
that’s pretty common for people making split boards

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>>108559008
i don't see a lot split keyboards in these threads. wonder why. Btw. if anyone cares, the keycaps were just $ 20 including postage from jlcpcb, with a newcomer coupon.

>>108558931
check out the Virgo
or the Hellcat
or the KIKI's tented whatever

>>108559275
>Virgo
that's not really an alice, it's also not tented

>Hellcat
lol
lmao, even

>KIKI's tented whatever
didn't know about this one. that's not bad.

>>108559435
never say never

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How do I insert Cherry type switches into a hot swap keyboard? I'm worried I'll break my Zuoya kit if I push too hard. I might be clueless because I only dealt with soldered/desoldered switches.

>>108559680
Carefully while supporting the PCB from the back.

>>108559786
The board has a thick gasket structure which flexes a lot, so it doesn't transfer much to the backplate. The sight of the flex and the sound of peeling or crackling makes me nervous though.

I hate how you can't verify if a stabilizer rattles or not until you put the switch in first to test it.

Imma need to borrow like $534 from someone to pay off that F122 order in full I can't fucking stand it anymore

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>>108558993
I 3D print the case itself, but not the keycaps.

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>>108560293
where did you get the model?
the keycaps i stole from here: https://github.com/braindefender/KLP-Lame-Keycaps

>>108560331
My own fork of the dactyl, here:
https://github.com/carbonfet/dactyl-manuform

>>108560378
Pretty damn cool. I love how the pinky keys are more reachable. I'm saving this. I'll report if I end up printing it.

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>>108560426
If you want PCBs to build it yourself hit me up.

>>108559680
You need to check the pins are straight before each insertion, then align it carefully and insert, giving it firm but gentle encouragement, feeling for the pins engaging the sockets and the clean entry. Back off immediately and start over if the feel is wrong.

A very tight stiff plate might make it impossible to do this. Then you just try to align everything well and hope for the best.

>>108560825
Forgot to mention supporting the back. Other anon is right.

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Yep, I'm thinking that I can retire happy now. I should have just bought this GMK104 from the start instead of spending equivalent money on DIY pads, accessories, and soldering equipment.

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>>108561273
Put a combination of TTC Silent Frozen V2 switches and some Outemu Silent Peach V3's on some less useful keys, put O-rings on both until my first bag ran out, need to find the other.

They are quieter than my M220 Silent, with the Silent Frozen having a decisive advantage. Outemu still has a slight clack to it though still miles ahead of standard Cherry MX and lubed clones with O-rings. Using the cheap Womier double shot set and it matches the case perfectly, though a little sharp on the bottom.

Managed about 140 WPM in monkeytype, 150 raw so decidedly better for typing than MX Red or Gateron Red. Whether ISA caps would be more reliable, maybe. Stabilizers are also pretty good out of the box, YMMV with some ticking on some it is barely noticeable though the spacebar can clack on its own, it isn't a problem in normal typing so far. We shall see if modding hecomes necessary down the line due to laxk of lube or scratch.

For $65 I really can't complain.

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The only real criticism I would give is that the LCD can never really be turned off, the button essentially just cuts off the video signal rather than power so it is essentiallly the same as setting a black background.

It gets distracting when dark due to viewing angles, so keep a piece of paper in hand to cover it if it bothers you. But this is a terrible weakness for battery life compared to the screenless GMK108 I suspect. At least it adds weight, keyboard is decently heavy with all the switches added.

>>108557128
Sorry but everything post-COVID in terms of keysets is complete slop. If it's not a neutral colored dolch set, WoB, beige or any variant thereof then you're either a tranny or someone who seeks to have sex with trannies.

>>108562054
Can you keep going? I'm one more buzzword away from bingo.

>>108560147
take it from meee
I need creamy long pole thoccies
it all works out

>>108562054
beigetranny cope

This general has lost its way. I don't like what has happened to the culture.

Lube on rails is the most overrated shit ever. My unlubed MX Browns spring-swapped and filmed are perfect. No complaints. If you think you need to lube the contact between the POM and the nylon, you are mentally ill.

>>108562054
>Sorry but everything post-COVID in terms of keysets is complete slop.
Lots of keysets have been basically fine. MTNU 800. CYL Winkler. CYL Prussian Blue. PBTFans 1984 and variants. DSC SMRT. PBS MV Classic. Many others that I'm forgetting.

splitsisters, linears or light tactiles?

>>108562720
heavy tactiles always

>>108562720
I am not a splitsister so I will sit this one out. (My answer would have been light tactiles, but I am not answering. I am sitting it out.)

>>108562720
does alice count as split?

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>>108545713
damn dog I wasn't planning on nutting today but I busted insta when seeing this beauty

Imax Blaecks

>>108563183
hell. yeah.

>>108562484
hell yeah anon
yours is the one true way
I love your confidence

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BEIGE HELL YES

creamy lubed nylons

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newfag here, no idea what I'm doing

>Budget
100-400
>Location (continent at least)
U.S.
>Preferred switch type
linear, maybe silent, wouldn't want somehting dead silent but ig these are new-ish?
whites and pinks have been comfy for me in the past
apparently cherry's suck now?
>Layout
ANSI in support of the schizo-poster in this thread
>Form factor
been aiming 75 but could be sold on 80. I use function keys as much as possible so >65 is fully out
>Backlight
sure uwu
>Previous/current keyboards
akko 95 that's been my only keyboard so far, played around with switches for sounds but never opened it up to add foam or anything else.

Make a lot of use out of 10k but want to separate that out. Goal is to get a big-dog keyboard that'll hold me over until I get good enough to use a moonlander and trackpad fulltime for work. Looking for pre-built.

extra nobs/screens if they're not just gimmicky bullshit are cool. aesthetics are important

boards that have seemed interesting thus far:
>Tecware Spectre 75
seems to have everything I need, but seems on the cheaper side
>wobkey rainy75/crush80
the 75 looks too compact/made for bitch boy hands. crush80 is apparently goated? looks about the right size
>womier sk75 TMR
seems fine, but bland + key map is meh
>>108545713
this is hot but slightly bigger than what I'm picturing
>Aula f75
is this a meme or are these legit?
>keychron
why the fuck are there so many options here. K2 HE looks nice although a bit cramped. Also $140 numpad is gay af

Thanks in advance

>>108563597
>$400
>75%
sonnet

do Epsilons still hold up?

>>108563597
just get the one and only goonworks TKL
it's hot and all that

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oh ffffuuuuck

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FUUUUCK

rec a good tkl barebones kit under $150

>>108563668
$420 without any plate metal
aint no way this boardis worth this?

also my fault ig I mean $400 max for board + seperate 10key I should have been more clear

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I like it raw mmmf

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>>108563717
ya these are sexy ass fuck

>>108563728
anything from Neo

>>108563735
>$420
it's $290 and then you supply your own switches and keycaps. but yeah, its still pricey. what the other anon said for someone else is also a good recommendation. neo75, but not the cu version
https://www.qwertykeys.com/collections/neo-product-collection/products/neo75-custom-mechanical-keyboard

factor switches, keycaps, stabs and lube into the price, and yes, it's worth it over what you're looking at. if you still really want prebuilt though, I would say rainy75 or evo80. dunno about a detachable numpad

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>tented Alice

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>>108563821
ty king/kween
maybe I have an additional step between my next board and the weeblander, these goonwooks are making me diamonds

>>108545774
100%
>width: 445mm
>keys: 108
96% vs 100%
>width: 390mm
>keys: loses alt right, insert, 2 special keys, and possibly 4 macro keys
>also shift and numpad 0 are smaller, usually no lock status LEDs, and arrow keys are cramped in
80%/TKL vs 100%
>width: 365mm
>keys: loses numpad and lock status LEDs but otherwise the same as 100%
75% vs 80%/TKL
>width: 328mm
>keys: loses alt right, end, and 3 special keys. also arrow keys are cramped in

>>108563756
unfortunately they start at $200

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>>108563866
nyaaaa

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that's it I can't go on fuffffuu

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just this once unffffff

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draw a waifu and your customs can go for $1100 no sweat

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It's almost complete.
The wooden desk.
The carpet mat.
The wooden wristrest.
The fancy cable.
All that's missing, is a nice, thick, chonk F122 repro.

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Though uhh, looks like I was chinked lol. This isn't anywhere close to what the product photos show as "light gray" which is clearly beige.

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the good old days of exit scammers

>mfw brought out an ancient PS/2 ball mouse to compare against a piece of paper just to show Cheng that the color is not right
I AIN'T FUCKIN' 'ROUND BISH

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>If its such a legit company I would encourage you to have them update us all on the status here or anywhere really. Its been more than a year since they took our money for the R96 and they have refused to reply to emails for at LEAST the last 6 months. The last 'update' here was 4 months ago when they scolded us for not believing them...there is no part of this that points to it being legit.

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welp

tho I wonder if you could do a "reverse retrobright" on this cable and force it to be more beige with UV light/sunlight

>>108564577
yeah it's light grey by the listing's standards
buy local next time

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I like how some fucker openly rips off Disney's style and gets away with it
feels like I'm the only one who sees Rubrehose for the POS it is

>>108545687
SHOW ME A MECHANICAL KEYBOARD THAT HAS LIT KEY CHARACTERS.

NO I DONT WANT ANOTHER KEYBOARD THAT HAS BLINDING BRIGHT LIGHT SPILLING OUT EVERYWHERE FROM UNDERNEATH AND AROUND ALL THE KEYS.

I WANT A KEYBOARD THAT has KEYS that have lit characters.

You know, we whereby only the character of the key is lit from inside, from underneath, and that's it.

No excess light spilling out around the outside of every key.

1 million percent of every "Lighted keyboard" I ever seen is just a bunch of light washing out of every gap around every key!

This is not acceptable.

>>108564641
>buy local next time
It was the only coiled USB-C to USB-A cable I could find on Aliexpress that looked close enough to what I wanted from the listing, I can forget about finding one locally lol. Or I can go the alternative route and get that golden aviator plug cable if I can get a custom golden IBM badge for the F122.

At least it's a good quality cable, even has the gold plating and all the USB-C pins for that "premium" feel, so I can't complain about that.

>>108564663
screw yourself lmao

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I dont know how they design these curved 0.6mm pcbs. I dont know how you would get the flat profile from the curved surface in CAD

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>Total Travel: 3.4mm

>>108564648
The original Mickey Mouse is public domain anyway

>>108563114
if the wrists are not separated by shoulders length then no

>>108564648
Disney openly ripped off European folklore for half his/its media so who gives a fuck?

mechanical keyboards, heh...

>>108556823
That one probably took six months because it doesn't have anything complicated, just two color pantones

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>>108564663
You'll need a type of mechanical keyboard that shines light through the center of the switch, like Logitech Romer-G switches or ASUS ROG RX

https://github.com/Keychron/Keychron-Keyboards-Hardware-Design/tree/main
Keychron released CAD files for pretty much all their stuff for some reason

>>108566405
Looks like major encouragement for people to go wild with modding their own Keychron boards but also being ready for lawfare if anyone tries to rip them off using these designs. Pretty cool move on Keychron's part.

>>108566864
Open-sourcing their keycap profile is pretty exciting, might be an explosion of KSA and OSA keycaps on the off-market, hopefully without Keychron's ugly-ass font choice on the lettering

>>108562453
Post your complaints about "the culture". I could use a good laugh.

>>108567087
not enough cherry mx blacks

Haven't peeped at keebs in two years, what's new in split keebs?

t. corne normie

What are the most interesting mechanical keyboards you know of which are available for purchase?
weird form factors, weird switches, anything. I just wanna learn about cool shit.
I already know about the svalboard. I dunno if that could be considered "mechanical" though, maybe technically?

>>108568129
just use sofle v2

>>108568722
Disgusting, too many keys
$0.2 has been deposited in your bank account for shilling for big keeb

>>108568761
you jest, but you literally don't need more

>>108568878
wow you're retarded.

>>108568903
ok

Das keyboard used to sell custom Linux key cap replacements for the start key that had a little penguin on them, but of course they stopped selling them as soon as I bought my keyboard.

I have gotten used to using a 60% keyboard for FPS games and my full size for normal use. Why aren't detatchable numpads/navclusters that I can move to the left standard?

>>108569441
cos it's still niche af

I don't enjoy anything from HMX
I enjoy scratchy dry Nixies on POM

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MX Bwown

I want to actuate her scratchy short pole

>>108569236
https://shop.daskeyboard.com/products/linux-key-cap-bundle-1

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>her

>>108570198
MX Browns are hecking valid and I don't care what anyone says
totally valid tactiles with just the right amount of scrrratch

>>108568395
I like what Skyloong does with community wank features like knobs and hall effect, recently they put out a keyboard that's compatible with both MX normal switches and with HE magnetic switches. Doesn't use a switch plate, instead each switch socket has a plastic bracket clipped in.

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>tfw after you built the ultimate keyboard and don't need to buy anything else

>his keyboard has a knob
Yikes

>>108570793
doesn't exist

Did KBDfans ship all the Tofus TKL yet?

>>108571050
it does now

>>108548710
I’ve seen these sold as left-handed keyboards like 30 years ago
The other option is to mouse left-handed like I do now, but good left-handed or ambidextrous mice are rare

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any recommendation for a 60% kit or prebuilt?
>EU
>ANSI layout
>hot swappable
right now i use the anne pro 2, i really like it, but for a while the n key was broken, though it seems to have fixed itself
i would like to try other switches too, i got the reds and they are alright, though i would like to try non-linear switches since i mostly type and dont game much
preferably under 100 euros, if a better kit is more expensive but under 150, i might consider too

>>108571680
>EU
>ANSI
that's illegal.

>>108571780
not my fault that the International Standards Organization made their layouts crap

>>108571780
In Poland the de facto standard is US ANSI.

>>108571680
Fix your Anne Pro, get a multimeter and some soldering gear.

PBT feels like dry chalk

>>108566405
This is actually p. dope.

gliding my finger along the MX Brown short pole
feeling the gentle scratch of the texture
not really polished, but not rough either
just the right amount of scratch
the stem twitches inside the housing and I actuate it to feel the subtle bouncy bump boing booing boiiiiing
she is just the best MX switch ever

>>108572173
i think this is the best option desu
any recommendation on a multimeter and soldering iron? or any crappy thing will do the job?

>>108573556
>soldering iron
Very highly recommend the Pinecil but you'd need a DC barrel jack output appropriate for it, or a high power USB-C charger (a Steam Deck's 45W charger was sufficient for me to do soldering so 45W or higher) https://pine64.com/product/pinecil-smart-mini-portable-soldering-iron/

Realistically however any shitty soldering iron will do the job

>>108561328
How are the Frozen compared with the Outemus? I have Outemu peach v3 in my board and they are nice, but I heard good things about the Frozen v2s and since I need another keyboard anyway for work, I might try the latter.

>>108574985
just try it

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no tangies or epsilons
only MX Blacks

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looove MX Blacks <3

is it worth getting a TMR keyboard if I mostly just play MMOs but also type a moderate amount for work

>>108548682
>Move it ever so slightly to the left
Yeah then I have to move my wrist out of its natural comfortable position to the left to rest on the home row again, unless I move my whole body over at which point the mouse is now at the same relative position to the right side of the keyboard as when I started.

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what is the best speed switch? i have these but maybe i should return them and get akkos?

>>108576605
Gats > Acks

>>108562581
I'm not talking about anything being functionally wrong with the keysets, moreso that anything that doesn't fall into the aforementioned color way is funko-tier fag slop. The same can be said for anything that falls outside of the standard MX/Gateron switch roster - tinkering with your glorified lego kit so you can solder in the next asian gummi snack inspired loli switch is gay.
>>108562403
See above.
>>108562100
wow heckin cool layout the wallet is taking a beating once this hits GB don't tell the wife about this end game grail! going to go gummy mount with polyproylgraphenine quarter plate for maximum thud, this will look great with my GMK goonerbeit set! don't tell the wife!

>>108575345
a tester alone won't really tell me how using them is, guess I just have to buy a pack

>>108576412
you should buy HE so you actually have some switch variety

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>>108576865
that so tru bestie ty for dropping that trvke finally someone says it

>>108553403

you no input number and ai arranges so that you have big assets?

>need a new keyboard
>decide not to buy RGB gayming keyboard for first time
>buy Keychron K3
>within a couple of months having problems with unregistered keypresses
>a couple months later get fed up with having to retype my password 5 times and snap that garbage in half
>go back to Logitech gayming keyboard
>within a couple of weeks having problems with unregistered keypresses
any recommendations for a 75% keyboard that a) doesn't cost a fortune, and b) actually fucking works? I'm sending this logishit back while I still can.

>>108578294
Get something that runs QMK so you can just adjust the debounce time if you get chattering.

>>108578260
Gesundheit!

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MoDo Light on MX Browns

take me back to when I didn't care about keyboards
GION BLEAKS
I didn't even notice my keyboard all that much in 2012
BLEAKS LOL OBVIOUSLY
infernal

>>108577620
don't TMR keyboards use the same magnetic switches as HE? It's just the sensor that's different.

>>108579144
i remember there being some kind of caveat but I could be wrong. something like polarity mattering with TMR but not HE and TMR being way more sensitive

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I doubt this will interest anyone here, but I'll just post it in case there's like one anon who wants to know.

A week ago I emailed Matias to ask about the polling rate of their keyboards (>>108529454 and >>108529776), and they've replied. Pic related. Conclusion being that the Matias Tactile Pro 4 has a polling rate of 200 Hz. A lot slower than I would like (1000 Hz), but ehh. It'll do.

>>108579322
200Hz is fine for a keyboard to be honest. I doubt you'd be able to notice a difference between that and 1kHz.

>>108578196
You make me regret using MX blacks and I am eternally grateful for your statistically likely suicide you absolute faggot lmao

reminder: you don't need anything more than a Das or a Durgod.

>>108579345
nah

>>108579322
1khz for gamers lmao fuck this prick

my venom eighty gets me 8khz on MX brifkes

I fucking love gateron reds bros

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>>108580314
can't beat the classics

>>108580102
ikr, gamers need to constantly buy anything that has a bigger number, because bigger number equal better. Even though everything clearly says that 1000Hz is the optimal polling rate and everything above that is so meaningless drinking a cup of coffee or actually having a good night's sleep will do more to your reaction time than 16000Hz polling or whatever the fuck manufacturers will come up with next to keep the "gaymers" engaged in an endless consooming loop.

>>108580463
you tell em Mathias
less features for more money
that's how it's done

>>108580498
The greatest benefit of 8000Hz is that your battery will drain 8 times faster. 200Hz is bullshit but to act like you absolutely need more than 1000Hz is you self-reporting as a brainless consoomer that salivates at anything that has a bigger number on the label.

>>108580017
Replace Das with Keychron and I'll agree

moldy cherry

>>108580463
I used to destroy people as Scunt in TF2 during my K120 days which wasn't too long ago. So yeah it doesn't really matter, reflexes does.

>>108580384
>metal
yuck

>>108581360
And also, if you truly care about your board being a limiting factor in your epic gaymer skillz, you should be caring about getting a HE/TMR board and not about those 8000Hz when 1000Hz is more than sufficient. Is your screen 1000Hz? No? Then 8000Hz won't improve your latency either.

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>mx alps

I don't want to assemble either of the keyboard kits I have sitting on my kitchen table.

>>108560508
where does one get these flexible pcb from?

>>108550431
it has the horizontal footprint of a tenkey but still deletes one row which would give you the dedicated `~ and F keys? that seems like an odd compromise

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nobody itt using magnetic keyswitches? this thing is incredible and im wondering if it will outlast the cherry switch keyboard that i had. high value proposition

>>108580384
do you sleep inside a chicken fryer

>>108545687
pgup ^ pgdown
< down >
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home ^ end
< down >
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pgup pgdown
home ^ end
< down >

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>>108584053
From me, I designed them. If you want a set you can send me an email to dactylman at protonmail.com.

>>108584560
they call it the yurovision

Jim Blaekson

Blake Stone and the Switches of Black

>>108584773
i don't think my body is ready, yet. How much do you charge for your service?

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>>108586092
If you want a full build then I ask $200 + cost of switches, $25 for a keycap set and $3 for a usb c to c cable. I can detail out all the shit I have for options if you send an email.

>>108586136
breddy gud anon

>>108585572
nowsthat a book I'll read

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>buy keychron low profile keyboard
>only used cherry mx keyboards before and never broken a switch in my life before
>pull keycaps off to clean keychron
>force of pulling the keycaps off snapped the plastic off the switches

most fragile piece of chinese garbage i've ever bought, they sent me a pack of 10 switches for free after i contacted them, but 7 keys have broken and I probably broke loads more that are only just holding on/ will break in the future, fucking chinese dogshit

>>108586504
you sound like a retarded caveman if low profile is too complex for you

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>>108586504
gateron low profile red btw

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>>108586509
What part of "this has never happened on my cherry mx keyboards" did you not understand?

>break something
>erm its too complex for you

no i'm just not a little FAGGOT who babies his fucking keyboard

>>108566405
hopefully someone makes compatible cases/frames. i have an extra pcb and nothing to do with it

>>108586504
happens with the regular boards too. their switches are delicate as fuck

>>108586520
I understood it perfectly Ugg, your retarded caveman ways work with cherries but not else where.
>>108586574
Seethe more.

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frakking retard
stop breaking your frakking switches

>>108586136
can't really afford one but i'll keep dreaming and try to make one some day if i live long enough.

Geon is trans coded

>>108587836
this entire fucking hobby is trans coded

>>108587865
yeah maybe so
I like to believe the Korean femboys took it one step further
with their minimalism and love for big metal daddy boards loaded down with copper
very phallic

>>108587833
If you didn't mind building it yourself I could sell you the parts for a lot less.

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>Melodics

hahaha! BlaeKSON Alu!

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oh, many's the night I spent by the lamplight lubricating my nylons
worked hard to get the lube job right, had a few misses in the beginning
if I had a few missises in the beginning I wouldn't have missed the spot lubing my missus up hers right
harharhar, let's pick this up tomorrow

Will I become a CoD god if I use a TenZ branded HE keyboard?

>>108588723
If you want to go MLG Pro you're gonna need a Razer Huntsman.