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How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them

FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio

>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/

>/iemg/'s Journal:
https://iemgazette.pages.dev/

>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/

>Measurements:
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/

>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35

>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22
• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30
• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140

>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10

>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18
• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110

>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• HiBy M300 - $200

>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos

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>>108505664
I think he means that headphones with different isolation need different tuning. Resolve called it some mystical bullshit, don't worry about it.
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>>108506423
No I don't think that's what he meant at all.
Do you guys realize what he's actually doing? They measured their HRTF then measured headphones with in ear mics to get HPTF. Peaks he is tuning out are HIS HPTF.
Why would "different isolation" have any bearing on his individual treble peaks? He literally says "what headphone's acoustics expect" as if it means anything lol
After destroying muh techs he still needs some as resolved put it mythical bullshit to cope with what he's hearing. Why not attribute techs to the same mythical bullshit then? How is he so sure that it's inherent properties of a headphone and not just errors of their measurements? Maybe mics show louder resonance than he actually hears or whatever... Or maybe it's some kind of perceptual bias and he just likes more treble than measurements and their targets suggest
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>>108506339
Why is epz g10 so fucking retarded bros?
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new DAP day
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>>108506984
it's not, it is good
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>>108506339
Wanker?
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Redpill me on the Mega5EST
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>bought a truthhear hexa two years ago following the consoomer guide
>cables kept disconnecting to the point I had to glue them
>the screwed plate fell off six month in
>the reinforced part of the cable is falling appart
>I keep losing the eartips, lost 5 of them definitively in less than two years
the sound wasn't even good, worst 90 bucks I've spent

Any good recommendation that doesn't have these issues ? sub 150€ & ideally soundstage similar to my BT770 even if worse
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>>108509215
IEMs do not have soundstage
just buy tanchjim bunny and EQ it
or if you want to pay more like a retard buy higher tire of tanchjim whatever the fuck it was? Fola? or Nora
>BT770
you might be already deaf and it is too late
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>>108509386
>you might be already deaf and it is too late
ur a parrot and gullible... rigs overestimate treble, and beyers after the pads wear out don't even measure that bright
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>>108509386
I'm not familiar with the audiophile world so I took whichever sounded close enough to frequency response

>>BT770
>you might be already deaf and it is too late
what is wrong with them ? headphone making you deaf sounds like the kind of BS my grandfather would say
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>>108509425
cope
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>>108509562
parrot
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>>108509609
Total hearing loss.
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>>108509705
>>108509609
>>108509562
why are you guys arguing about BT990 when I have a 770 ?
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>>108509705
>jeetforum
>retard that measures with a flat plate rig
lmao
>>108509722
just showing pad wear effects
and it's DT instead of BT
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>rigs overestimate treble
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>xhe doesn't know
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This might be a Placebo but my bunny's sounded better on Truthear Gate's 3.5 mm cable than Bunny's DSP cable...
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>they don't make phones with jack and SD card slots anymore
Fuck it, I dished out cash for a HiBy M300 which I'll probably keep on airplane mode and slap a 1Tb card onto it. What are your DAP setups? Are these cheapies worth it? If not, too late anyways because it's on its way.
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>>108510294
>you know what this harman thing needs? More lower treble.
Said nobody ever.
>>108510328
DSP has built in EQ.
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>>108510395
>Said nobody ever.
Duh, Harman's target is plotted against measurements using a different pinna than the one used in the original study, and the harman modded pinna trends more with the humans avg. If you don't know, this data is the hptf measured at the blocked ear canal, so it's how *headphones* tend to behave.
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Will you redeem her TWS, xista? They wold look super cute on you!
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>>108510612
Would*
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Harman's ruined this hobby :(
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Not even transjim is like this.
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>>108510964
I don't get the pedo aesthetic, sorry
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techtards ruined the hobby, now i need to pay 1K+ for an iem
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>>108511489
butthurt much? if it was ruined, you wouldn't be stuck with "needing" to spend that much. you ruined it for yourself, pining for others' approval.
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>>108510964
Madoka mentioned, must re-listen the opening
https://youtu.be/OrgpX-_bFqM
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https://youtu.be/yASjN8tvU4Q
>hurr durr different people hear different
water is wet moment. What's even the point of reviews?
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>>108511489
>believe in techs
>be poor
The worst combo in the hobby.
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>>108511584
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>>108511584
>What's even the point
consensus.
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>>108511584
Most people watch the review after they bought the product, not before. It's a part of the post purchase rationalization.
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>>108510340
I just can't bring myself to be carrying two bricks.
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>>108506339
>twshit
>wanker
Where did they learn it.
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>>108509215
>soundstage
just get the s12 pro
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>>108511949
PR2*
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I haven't posted here in a while. Is EDC Pro autoeq'd to Mega5EST still endgame?
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>>108512062
pretty much
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>>108512062
>autoeq'd
>endgame
no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0nZCXyDTz4&t=746s
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>>108512257
>only treble changes meaningfully
>just fix treble by ear with sine sweeps
wow autoeq is so good
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>>108511982
>t.
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hit play
and don't enjoy the music
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>>108512344
oh, you never heard one, got it.
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>>108511489
But the GK Kunten is available for like 200 rupees with coupons. You might have to break bank for the GK Streak though since they're new and cost like 3000 rupees. The KZ PR2 is like 2000 rupees probably so its a mid-fi compromise
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Moonhifi mystery box arrived. It's the participation prize. Not even worth the $5 I spent for shipping.
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>>108512995
>trusting chink mystery boxes
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Of the cables on the coonsomer guide, which is the best? They're all pretty cheap so I just want to go ahead and get the best one.
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>>108513038
Zonie is a classic but a bit overpriced, at least you have the usual amazon benefits
redchain is meh, would rather get any of the trn cables if modular connections are important
get whatever fits your iems and is cheap, too many to go over
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tasteful
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>>108512062
i eq'd mine to sr-x9000 target
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>>108511584
muh big huge individual HRTF compensation for 5128
meanwhile 711 insertion depth will show exact same shit.
What's the point of talking about how "pinna gain has to be assumed" when resolve's main problem is his long ear canals and shallow af insertion depth? It's not that astru assumes too much pinna gain or anything... And with headpos even without the need to assume pinna gain he has huge treble problems around 6k ANYWAY. So it doesn't even fucking matter
If they did something useful like I dunno trying to figure out whether insertion depth and peak position are good predictors of how an IEM will sound in general. otherwise all this shit is meaningless
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Do I REALLY need a K7 or K5 if I can buy a KA17? I don't need Bluetooth so I don't need BTR17.
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>>108512062
Obsoleted by fox IEM EQd to fox target.
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>>108510294
It is kinda similar to what I got when I measured difference of how a flat speaker sounds if I measure it on the listening position not inserted vs inserted.
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>>108509425
>listen to beyer
>it's ear rape
>see people with literal holes in the audiogram created by beyer
>"bro with the worn pads they aren't ear rape, look at the graph"
>the worn pads in question:
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>>108506339
any recommendations for energy efficient dongles? had to retire my LG and get a normie phone, but ive picked one with shit battery life. looking for something under 60 usd
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>>108515379
to add, dont need it to drive headphones, just iems an earbuds
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>>108515012
not inserted vs inserted what?
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>>108515379
apple dongle
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is apple dongle (USB-C one) still cucked if you use it on an Android device?
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>>108506339
has there been any news of qudelix5k 2 or something? ive had mine since release and battery has tanked to like 3~4h, i read the current version has better battery? or is it still just the same battery. I know i can change it but i looked it up, you ahve to some weird shit cause the only available 3rd party battery is the wrong voltage or something?
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>>108515462
I really doubt apples dongle can compete with the golden age of chifi dacs
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>>108515458
In ear microphone
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I will not fall for the "DAC impedence" meme. I plug my earphones directly onto my phone/pc and they sound good
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>>108516429
If youre happy, so be it. Youll never know what youre missing out on. $20 goes a long way (assuming your earphones arent ass).
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>>108512666
which one? second stealth revision? or third?
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>>108513302
holy mother of low gain
might sound nice and airy, layering should be good
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>>108515848
>qudelix5k 2
no news
>I know i can change it but i looked it up, you ahve to some weird shit cause the only available 3rd party battery is the wrong voltage or something?
go to their forum or email them for more specific help
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>>108515379
CX Pro 31993: 8-9ma
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>>108516223
based on what
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Why do some people say they “can’t hear the difference”?

Because your brain adapts to sound way faster than you think.

After a few minutes,
what used to sound “better” just becomes normal.

That’s why switching back is when you really notice it.

Have you experienced this before?
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>>108517046
saj about no news, i havent contacted them directly but i think the forum had a guide for battery replacement
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>>108517673
expectation bias, not enough knowledge of what to actually discern, not A/B'ing enough.
what actually sounds "right" is whenever you're just enjoying what you hear and going about with life. simple as.
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its out... holy..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgN1LNAdY88
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>>108516429
Near Zero OUTPUT impedance is the mark of thoughtfully engineered dac.
Your high output impedance motherboard is wonkafying the frequency response of your low impedance iems.
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>>108517880
sorry i will take Knowledge Zenith instead
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pinnalets, it's finally our time to shine
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>>108506339
shopping guide in op lists these as the cheapest general recomendations

Tangzu Wan'er S.G 2 (mild V) - $20
Tanchjim Bunny DSP (mild V~) - $20
EPZ Q1 Pro (Harman) - $35
Simgot SuperMix 4 (Harman) - $150

my budget is 100 so im wondering if there is anything worth buying for more than 35$? how big of a difference is between say epz and simgot? worth 120 bucks?
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>>108519204
>how big of a difference is between say epz and simgot
major difference. buy EA500LM, save money, achieve absolute value.
EPZ doesn't offer anything that "punches above its weight" or sounds like it's more expensive than it really is.
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>>108519512
>major difference
How would you know. You have 0 IEMs.
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>>108519812
ywnbam. cope harder.
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>>108510340
Just got my HiBy R3ProII, running my Moondrop Chu 2s. Good hardware, but it runs a Linux based "HiBy OS" instead of Android. Said OS kinda sucks, you can run Rockbox on top of it. But that's also kinda jank, like, I haven't figured out how to lock the screen manually instead of it timing out.

Sure as fuck prefer it to my phone, though.
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>>108519512
>EA500LM
what about truthear hexa? they cost the same as ea500lm
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>>108519204
>how big of a difference is between say epz and simgot? worth 120 bucks?
no
>>108519512
same with 500lm
>>108519897
hexa is fine, but the max value you will get is learning how to eq
read the eq guide
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>>108519897
hexas have limp bass in comparison.
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I have a pair of EPZ Q1 Pro's with the mic cable but it's gotten jank and the plug by the ear hooks rotates. For now I've cannibalized the Chu 2 cable and it's doing well.

That being said, are there any cheapo 2-pin 0.78mm cables similar to the one on the Chu 2, AKA without the braid? I like the classic smooth cable desu
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>>108519955
not really, or at least none that i know of
chu2 cable is endgame imo
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>>108519959
I have EPZ Q1 Pro + Moondorp Spring Tips + Chu 2 cable + HiBy W3 II and I like that setup a lot.
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Also Spring Tips do raise an interesting note on eartip design affecting the sound signature. Since the hard silicone lip that's meant to go around the nozzle is recessed deeper within the ear tip, this results in a deeper fit, and much like with headphones, the closer the driver is to your ear drum, the more bass you get. In case of IEM's this has obvious comfort implications as having IEM's with a nozzle that's too thick won't play well with Spring Tips' design.

Still, I believe this is an important thing to keep in mind whenever anyone wants to get new tips. They can affect how deep the nozzle goes into your ear, and that can affect the sound signature. I'd say the consoomer guide should have a note on that, if it's going to have a more thorough description for the ear tip recommendation, which it should.
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>>108520001
>Spring Tips
I like these a lot. I've tried tangzu sancais before and like them too but spring tips work very well for me
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>no argument there - but that's two different concepts here: "can we EQ anything to sound like anything" (yes) vs "can you do that without in-situ measurements" (not perfectly
oratory1990, more like iemg1990 amirite
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>>108520064
more like cope1990
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>>108520049
Yeah they're nice, the silicone is grippy but not sticky and since everything besides the nozzle ring is soft that adds extra comfort. Got them to fix the issue of Chu 2's slipping out of my earholes due to them being metal, therefore heavy, but then I switched to the Q1 Pro's but these still work well there.

It's worth noting that Spring Tips' sizing is offset compared to your standard tip sizes. I usually go for S but with Spring Tips it was M that matched the dimensions, meaning what Spring Tips define as XL is what others define as L. Or in other words, Spring Tips S are actually size XS, which would be too small for me.
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>>108520087
I should have mentioned, depending on how you handle them, spring tips *can* rip. they're just that thin. other than that, they're great tips
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>>108520096
I figured out how to grab and pull them to work that nozzle ring correctly when putting them on/taking them off so I shouldn't rip them. Just grabbing and pulling the soft silicone at the right angle, and the rest rolls off/on just fine.
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>>108520082
ill take this powerlifting acousticGOD's word over some puny hrt chink shill
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why is epz g10 so good, bros?
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>>108520064
What's with that dogshit "EQ to sound like X" meme. There is not a single IEM/headphone/speaker in the world that's worth using as is.
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>>108520143
>anything
includes the pinnacle of sonics
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>>108520132
Same reason why EPZ Q1 Pro is so good. Neatly tuned 1DD driver. Pretty much all tried and true studio headphones use a single dynamic driver for a reason. IEM's follow the same laws of physics, just in a smaller form factor.
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>>108520064
nooo iemg told me you can use your ears to match 2 different pos perfectly
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>>108520197
You personally can't. I of course can.
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>>108520205
audio jesus disagrees
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Hit play and enjoy the music !
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>>108517124
thanks for the rec, is this your pic?
how does it compare to the meizu in quality/efficiency? ive heard good things about that CS43131 chip
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>>108521297
>is this your pic?
nope
>how does it compare to the meizu in quality/efficiency? ive heard good things about that CS43131 chip
it doesn't tell much. If the amp stage has an opamp, it'll consume much more
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>>108521316
also a lot of cirrus implementations have weird artifacts due to DRE-induced distortion
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/on-the-distortion-of-cirrus-logic-cs431xx-based-devices-a-comparative-review.63038/
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>pos gen flatlines
>inject 25cc of artificial techs vs fr slop
>vitals back to normal, miraculous full recovery #15823
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i just stuck my EDC Pros up my nose and WHOA! i can smell the jack daniels, body odor and now im high as fuck from the lines of cocaine being snorted by the band!
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in what way would wax guards change the sound?
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>>108521688
if ur talking bout foam wax guards like the comply ones: slightly mutes/muffles the treble. i use them on my lz a7
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the glue on the inside of my KSE1500's shell began to peel off because i used isopro alcohol to clean it awhile back and it seeped into the hairline seam between the two halves of the shell so i used BluTack to seal the seam in case the glue had acoustic importance but i smushed the blutack in the seam

tl;dr im gigaretarded on multiple levels, how do i clean this gunk out? not sure if Shure services out of warranty discontinued stuff like this. i like how delicate estats sound
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>>108522458
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>>108522476
what are those
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name of those eartips?
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>>108522730
Read the post above, nigga...
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Is there 4ch archive websites with search functionality?
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>>108522476
>kilopos
>built like a KZ
IEMs have come a long way.
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>>108523451
Desuarchive
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>>108523403
looks gay
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>>108523468
Thank you.
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Are the Samsung EO-IA500 a meme?
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>>108523664
No saarr you should invest your rupees into this endgame set
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>>108523664
>coaxial driver that chinks can only dream of replicating
>easy to EQ
>comfy
>less occlusion effect than your avg pos
it's endgame, only the cable is kinda flimsy, but they're so cheap anyway
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>>108525556
>coaxial
Tin t1, ancient technology.
>easy to EQ
Literally needs a rig and per channel EQ lmao.
>comfy
Literally needs to be worn upside-down with channels reversed and the cable is microphonic dogshit.
>less occlusion
More noise.
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>>108525623
>Tin t1, ancient technology.
fell for the chink marketing lolol
>Literally needs a rig and per channel EQ lmao.
only if you want perfection, but it's not a must. peqdb channel balance tool is good enough to detect a mismatch
>Literally needs to be worn upside-down with channels reversed and the cable is microphonic dogshit.
skill issue
>More noise.
so? passive has no lows attenuation anyway and the openness feels more natural
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>>108525671
>peqdb channel balance tool is good enough to detect a mismatch
Saar...
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the mental gymnastics trannies put themselves through has to be grueling at some point.
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>>108525671
Fell for a literal indian scam btw.
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Any big difference between gate and bunny? I have a pair of bunnys but looking for something else
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>>108525939
biig? no. its like civic vs civic
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been looking for some pos with weird looking shells, not those overpriced shit with normal shells but le face plate carved from moon rock or have le THIS IS SPARTA helmets and shit. like, unconventional shit. something like the colorfly silver reference or shit by acoustune. do you guys have any recs?
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>>108525939
no, both are good for endgame with eq
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>>108526887
>endgame with eq
dogma. you can't eq techs of better pos into subpar pos and call it a day, unless you're a mental midget
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>>108526886
>been looking for some pos with weird looking shells
vsonic iceberg
tangzu shit
epz q1 pro with fox faceplate
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>>108526886
tangzu and related subbrands have some funky shells, cvj has ungodly waifu 3d faceplates and other stuff like the mythera, moondrop has the psyche 2 and solis 2 and all of their nasty meteor pos coming out soon, oopus op22/24 are weird, blon bla8 and trn whale shark are fucked up, campfire trifecta looks like a nutsack, shozy blackhole for trypophobiamaxxing, softears twilight if you like rectangles,
also, look into some random obscure pos on aliexpress, they have some funky stuff there. you have the usual yu9 u554 but also stuff like the tiandirenhe td21 earbuds, pigeon earphones, hessian da2 (universal custom, probably retarded as fuck), supertfz force 5, smabat pos (they have an earbud-iem convertible pos), junex ltq er6, noname picrel, etc
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>buy le speakers
>treating the room costs more than the speakers
poorfag bros... is that why we stick to iems?
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>>108527058
>>108520064
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>>108527058
No physically existing pos is better than a properly EQd pos. You're still on the 2020 crinacle mindset.
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>>108527107
But the treatment costs $0? Did you even read sound reproduction by Floyd Toole?
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>>108527117
>>108527140
cope. no edc pro eq'd to perfection could actually compete with a stock Origin in techs.
you're still on the dumb tranny mindset
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>>108527173
Severely outdated pos. Edc pro is better even without EQ.
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>>108527180
dogma. you can believe it as hard as you like but nobody serious is on your side.
you suck at biology, of course you suck at audio.
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>>108527172
it's not because you read a thing that means you understood it.
that depends a lot on the speaker's off-axis response, room size, and multi-subs/soundproofing isn't $0

https://www.youtube.com/post/UgkxAaYDgEYgr8NDf2GGhsvLDMc4xHg7ieCp
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>>108527201
>I'm on le right side of history
Actual redditor lmao
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>>108527273
>speaker's off-axis response, room size, and multi-subs
Not room treatment.
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>>108527304
quoting random words and ignoring Erin's post why EQ cannot fix those things, makes you look very dumb
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>>108527312
and multi-subs are used to treat the room modes if you read the Todd Welti part of the book...
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>>108527283
>can't find a single experiment that throws in TOTL techs into a shitbud that actually competes with TOTL.
because it's nonexistent. you live in fantasy land.
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>>108527312
Nobody said anything about EQ. If your speakers have bad off-axis response buy better speakers.
>>108527331
Room treatment modifies the room. Multisubs don't.
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>you need in-situ measurements
>impossible to measure pos in-situ reliably
>mic depth placement differences make data useless
eqtards lost
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>>108527346
EQd shitbuds surpassed TOTL ever since the virtualization study, keep up.
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>>108527386
dogma. the entire market/hobby would be flipped upside its ass entirely with outrage here, outrage there, boycotting of >$200 pos..

but there isn't. keep pretending though.
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>>108527374
None of this is needed if you want to EQ better than TOTL.
>but I don't want better than TOTL, I want exactly like TOTL
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
>>108527407
>but there isn't
>totl companies keep dying
Ok. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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>>108527348
>Nobody said anything about EQ. If your speakers have bad off-axis response buy better speakers.
if your goal is to treat the room for the speakers, but a room with bad RT60 or that needs soundproofing, isn't going to be $0
>Room treatment modifies the room. Multisubs don't.
they are used to modify the modes, which modify the room response lol
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>>108527484
Subs aren't modifying the room modes. Any other source of sound will still excite the room modes, unlike room treatment. That's why active bass traps are room treatment unlike multisubs even though they're basically subs with a mic.
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>>108527528
>Subs aren't modifying the room modes
https://www.audioholics.com/room-acoustics/history-of-multi-sub-sfm
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>>108527634
>Any other source of sound will still excite the room modes, unlike room treatment.
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>the treatment costs $0?
>active bass traps are room treatment
am i talking to a baboon?
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>>108527751
>speaker setups need active bass traps
You're talking to voices in your head lil bro.
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>>108527889
ok mr. treatment costs $0
keep embarrassing yourself
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what a bunch of off-topic bullshit
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back to eqing shitbuds to perfection
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A silhouette is as complete a description of an object as the degree to which one privileges general shape and outline.
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i just bought the binary mems pos.
im tempted to cancel it and get a couple switch 2 games instead.
should i?
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>>108528143
I want that one. seems great, but the price point is whack as hell. just get the vidya, honestly
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>>108528143
Sell the switch and buy more pos.
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easyeffect bros, do yall use any effects besides EQ?
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>>108521915
what about silicon ones?
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>>108528143
go with the binary meme, sell your shit 2 (it's a dogshit console) and buy a bunch of pos and eartips instead
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How fragile are IEM's? I accidentally dropped one about 3 feet and it banged against a hard surface. I heard a distinct cracking sound but it looks fine.
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>>108528143
get hexa instead, 321 is for chumps
>>108529400
if they sound fine, they are fine
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>>108529400
metal faceplate + resin = fragile
shallow resin = fragile
filled resin = strong
full metal = strong
kz edc pro $5 toy plastic = indestructible
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>>108529427
>get hexa instead
holy shit no. fuck no.
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>>108525939
I'd say for me shells are the biggest difference. Bunnies are very small and have long nozzles. Which puts their length mode in a usual (for me) 9500+ range requiring a ton of EQ to unfuck.
While gates with their more normal looking shells and short nozzles especially with short wide tips are much more mild and require less EQ with length modes at like 8600. Only IEMs I own without 9k+ range length modes lol...
So like if you have long ear canals or your fit a bit shallow gates might be a bit too bright because of length modes. While bunnies with a deeper fit will be more on a neutral-warm side.
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>>108527346
is there an experiment where at least 10 people agree that TOTL has better techs than some $20 shitbud?
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>>108527374
you still has your ears, buddy. so ultimately it's a skill issue
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>>108527407
there's no outrage because nobody with a brain is buying $500+ POS anyway you dumb fucking retard
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>>108529680
>>108520064
sorry, i want it perfectly
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>>108529685
>nobody with a brain is buying $500+ POS
you're talking out your ass. there's no outrage because the premise is bullshit and nobody serious is dying on the hill of "$5 shitbud+eq=totl techs"
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>>108529905
desu I'm like 99% sure some kind of methodology can be developed. but it needs to be researched and nobody is doing fuck
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>>108529938
look up sales numbers you dumb fuck
>"$5 shitbud+eq=totl techs"
you've yet to demonstrate that totl techs are real in the first place
you are repeating this nonsense about outrage when I told you - it happened already. cheap chifi murdered fucking everything that was before it
In what way do you think would this delusional outrage of yours happen in the first place? by people not buying totls and buying cheap shit? literally happened already lmao
people storming totl warehouses in rage? grow the fuck up idiot
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I just purchased these https://www.amazon.com.au/dp/B08SW56CDQ
1. Can I get something like this (MMCX to usb-c with an inline mic)? Otherwise I've got to get a MMCX to 3.5mm with headphone and mic split for my motherboard's soundcard https://aliexpress.com/item/1005008646888411.html
2. should I be concerned about bisphenol coating on these IEMs? they will probably be worn for 6+ hours a day
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>>108530069
>look up sales numbers
show us.
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>this video still stuns retards to this day
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJGwS_I8m4E
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>>108530282
>the headphone show said so
suck a fucking cock
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>>108530267
should've bought bunny DSP instead
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>>108530291
and yet somehow better than a retard that doesn't own a single pos
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>>108530314
>emotionally distraught
>pathological liar
there's something wrong with you, seriously. your bullshit won't get you far though, you're an obvious kook.
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>>108530322
imagine being so poor you have to idolize expensive pos and shills lmao
pick up a book and read the guide, chump
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>>108530291
feel free to provide literally ANYTHING that would support your point of view
from IEM show or whatever lmao
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>broooooos, please believe me the difference is so clear!!! more expensive = more r&d = better sonics!!
>no brooooo, you can't trust the blind test!! it doesn't make sense how the cheap build pos scored better than full metal expensive pos, it just doesn't ok!??!?!
>a-and they're all novices, they need to at least have 10 years of apprenticeship licking deaf chink snakeoil salesmen's boots before giving their opinions!!!!!
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>>108530271
literally just open ali, retard
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>>108530291
>somehow BTFO by cadenzaGOAT
>let's not trust the fuckers that have every reason to skew the results favorably for more expensive pos
retard
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>>108530325
>>108530330
>>108530343
>>108530352
>>108530358
samefag
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>>108530358
you don't get it. it's a HEADPHOJNES show. so they want people to buy cheap dogshit no tech pos to go back to headphones and not entertain silly notion that $20 shitbud is in any way comparable
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>>108530406
lmao COPE
frankly even if somebody was samefagging how does it help your case? you failed to show any evidence of anything lmao
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>>108530414
>you failed to show any evidence of anything lmao
you'll say that and "you don't own anything" in the same thread. you're buck breaking yourself
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>>108530422
I frankly do not care if you own anything or not others are just using it to dunk on your dumb ass because your post lack substance and you refuse (or let's be real here unbale) to participate in a serious evidence based discussion
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>>108530464
you couldn't possibly worm your way out of this after resorting to personal attacks, but I accept your concession anyway.
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>>108530497
>personal attacks
and what will you do? cry?
lmao
try maybe coming up with real arguments next time instead of retarded bullshit? just a thought
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>>108530422
You failed to show any evidence of owning an IEM.
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>>108529905
>but I don't want better than TOTL, I want exactly like TOTL
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>>108530564
what TOTL is he even talking about btw? 99% of TOTLs is like weird fucking dogshit with no techs
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>i didnt hear why totl is totl on the showfloor that one time
>so no one else does either
>why wont they admit it..? their pretending is driving me crazy
>totl brands will die out any day now
i dont think i could ever say this even if i didnt hear any diff between eq'ed chinese plastic and totl. the epistemic naivety required to unironically hold this position makes me dizzy
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>>108531028
name it
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>>108531048
name what?
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>>108531179
The TOTL you imagined listening to.
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Any cheap neutral IEMs?
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>>108531316
i think you misunderstand me, the greentext is not my position
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>>108531370
I think I understand you just fine. You imagine there are people that hear what makes TOTL TOTL and people that don't, despite never listening to TOTL yourself. With an implicit assumption that TOTL = good of course. So, what TOTL were they using in that daydream?
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>>108531389
the post was about a certain kind of certainty, and what i was caricaturing does not imply that TOTL is always good, just that it's not all definitely equal to or worse than chinese plastic. listing a specific TOTL is completely irrelevant to that point. and why do you think i haven't heard totl? i have owned and do own 3k+ sets
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>>108531447
>i have owned and do own 3k+ sets
It was real in your mind.
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>>108531459
yes of course. there's the frame translation. any reported difference is delusion. which is exactly what i was pointing at in my post
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>>108531486
>yes of course
Glad we agree you never heard TOTL in real life.
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>>108531447
you can say that about literally anything. because HRTF and HPTF exist. no two people will hear same pos similarly
>>108531486
>any reported difference is delusion.
what do you think it actually is
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>>108531486
>any reported difference is delusion.
There is a difference lol, drop the strawman.
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>>108531502
>that didn't work, lets go back to him not having heard it
>if he does post a timestamped picture of totl i'll go back to saying he's delusional, but i wont demand it in case he actually has it
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>>108531528
>that didn't work,
What didn't work? I said you never heard TOTL and you agreed. Worked perfectly as far as I'm concerned.
>if he does post a timestamped picture
It was real in your mind.
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>it might sound and fit like absolute garbage, but at least it's different
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is lumen considered a TOTL?
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>>108531608
TOTL starts from 5k.
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>>108531560
>i don't believe you own totl because if you did you'd hear what i hear and agree, but if you do and still disagree it's necessarily just in your mind/delusion
thank you for this illustration
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Notice how exactly zero TOTL have been and will not be posted >>108531647
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I'm streaking it, and by it, heh, I mean my GK.
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>>108529439
how to know if its shallow or full resin?
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>>108531842
that's just waner2 lel
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>>108531924
it is usually advertised. so if there's no info it's probably shallow.
and btw if it's single dynamic - it doesn't even matter much
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Fox soundcard, endgame.
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>>108529439
>filled resin = strong
>no acoustic chambers
>heavy
nice iem
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>>108532313
>looks inside
>it's 2x CS43198 but for 950$
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>>108532604
>no acoustic chambers
you can 3D print it like most moonderps
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>>108531608
no if you have long canals, look at the review resolve posted yesterday, shit stinks
https://forum.headphones.com/t/prisma-lumen-the-new-standard-of-all-around-excellence/27012/19
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can I clean the nozlzle of the truthear gate with isopropyl alcohol?
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>>108533022
resolve has treble problems with literally every pos and headpos lol his opinion doesn't matter.
He has length modes at like 6k.
Actually what about this thread? Where are yours guys? GUYS?
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>>108533229
sure
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>>108533727
6.7k for me.
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>>108533727
6.9k for me
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>>108531521
>strawman
you don't know shit about fuck
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>>108533910
Well if the redditdude himself says distortion is good then it must be true.
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>>108532313
Wtf foxzo looks like THAT?
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>>108533819
>>108533882
9.5k for most things for me lol
won't sub 7k peaks make most POS a bit too bright for you?
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>>108534158
Yes but I EQ.
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how does the truthear nova compare to the blessing 3? i want a bright-neutral pair on the thinner side with airness
they seem to differ by 2-3db on bass and not so much on treble, is it a fine substitute?
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>>108535235
just use eq
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Don't forget to order your free IEM tomorrow.
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>>108535921
whats the best $5 shitbud?
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fyi, KBear Mirage available for like $90 on Aliexpress if you guys are interested
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Has anyone ever used those "clip on" style wireless earbuds that look like homosex earrings?
Sometimes my ears hurt and potentially get infected a bit with like some internal bumps or something(?) when I'm wearing IEMs for too long and I figured maybe I'll mix things up a bit and throw on some of those every now and then since I heard they are comfortable
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>>108538585
i gifted these to many of my older relatives for christmas, big hit exactly for comfort
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>>108538593
Any recommendations? I was looking at Scarbir and those Earfun ones seem all right. They are fairly cheap too at like 50 bucks so it won't hurt too much if they end up sounding unbearably bad
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>>108538603
haven't tested the ones i got in any capacity except hearing them once
don't expect good sound, they are good for videos, podcasts, and background listening
i think i got some soundpeats ones
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I did not go back to my wired IEMs once after I got a decent TWS set a month ago(and tweaked it a little with its built-in EQ)
They beat most of the dozen+ pos I have and the convenience of TWS makes up for being slightly worse than my favorite wired set.
Is it over? Am I finally free of this "hobby"?
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>>108538933
>decent TWS set
which one?
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>>108538963
newest snoy set
also forgot to mention I also switched out the tips for Azla Crystals because FUCK the shitty reverse hybrid foams they come with
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Any recommendations for TWS? I want a pair so I can listen while masturbating away from my PC
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Bought a KZ Duonic just for funsies and it sounds kinda mehhh? Not bad but not great either. There's also barely any soundscape, which is something I always like.
Oh well it was very cheap as far as IEMs go.
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>>108539540
lol it graphs like giga dogshit...
how do you hear it? It looks very V-shaped and very lean.
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>>108539606
Sounds very V-shaped, more than most of my other IEMs and headphones. The trebles are weirdly harsh and offputting. The bass is alright, though. At the very least, I can think of some songs that'll be decent on these.
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Yep, 100C on the Yihua standalone hot air station was perfect for ear hook adjustments. Hair dryer temperature of air, but with a focused nozzle. Juuust enough heat focused solely on the hooks. 10/10, would recommend if you have one for soldering.
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Anyone have some recs for IEMs for ASMR?
I don't listen to music but I listen to a ton of erotic audios and ASMR
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why is epz g10 so good, bros?
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>>108539931
It's not, it's retarded
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>>108539931
>>108502712
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>>108539992
not my problem he's a broken hands retard
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>>108539897
qian39 (earbuds) are the goat for asmr
you can comfortably sleep on your side with them, details are fine, imaging/soundstage is great
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>>108540084
They are earbuds? I'd figure that's bad for ASMR
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EPZ No QC1 Pro
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>>108540093
this type of earbud is much more comfortable to wear than any iem, especially if your ear is pressed against a pillow.
the soundstage of earbuds is almost like a cross between iems (sorta inside your head) and open back heaphones (sorta outside your head). earbud sound is projected around your scalp, which is perfect for if you're listening to someone comb your hair or some shit.
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EQ Guide mogged by this new technique
https://youtu.be/P-PlM4xhO2I
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>>108540272
*validated
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>>108517124
will i see any noticeable improvement using this over my phone / laptop's 3.5mm jack?
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>>108540390
assuming no DSP is running in the background (windows can have some effects by default, some Android models might have dolby/DTS bloat) and there's no noise, no
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>>108540483
but it might improve if you have multi-driver pos as the output impedance is known to be close to 0 Ohm unlike laptops, which will change the tuning
or if things aren't sounding that loud
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>>108540483
my new phone: no dsp other than float64/32 bit from power amp.
are there any energy efficient dongles that will sound as good as my old LG phone ( ESS Sabre ES9218P )?
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>>108540587
I'm using a es9280 dongle, works great but not power efficient, it heats up. Cl46L41 is power efficient and has no hiss but I've experienced DRE clicks on it. Cx31993 hisses. You can also get something battery powered like qudelix.
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>>108540272
>new technique
are you retarded?
either way finally watched this not a bad advice for EQ and he improved his squig with visualization and better controls which is also nice...
But I dunno how accurate you can EQ just by dragging frequencies up and down without any point of reference.
why there's no visualizer in owliophile actually?
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>>108541488
are you retarded?
you can also upload songs and refine the result. the pink noise is just easier to check if things are sticking out, your reference is ABing and judging whether the resonance is still a problem or not
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Best place to sell my IEMs? I don't want to give ebay a massive cut.
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EQ Guide again on top of everything, as per usual.
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>>108542265
list em. i might get some off of you if theyre not generic stuff.
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>>108542268
>0 proprietary tools
>missed the revolutionary drag up and down pink noise technique
>no one reads cuz too long winded
EQ Guide lost
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>>108542265
leddit avexchange
super*review/IEF trooncord
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>>108538988
>newest snoy set
Bruh
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>>108543522
they're alright
by the time the time the next model comes out and they'll drop in price by 50% they'll be worth buying
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>>108539931
Fox techs.
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Monarch MKIIIs arrived today
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>>108544753
enjoy, anon. any particular audio you testing them with?
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>>108544753
you aint fooling me, the taint
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>Buy iem
>Start using it instead of headphones.
>Get my first full day of having IEM in the ear. (Usually have headphones on all day instead)
>Start feeling phantom headband.
>start compulsively scratching at the top of my head because my brain is telling me something should be there out of habit.
What a weird feeling.

I do like the iems. And I found them through here, tangentially at least.
So uh, thanks bros.
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>>108544780
drain gang


>>108542714
Mega5est bought new a few months ago
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>>108544753
Forgot to add:

Started with Tea Pros and they were nice
Then got Mega5ESTs which were much much better and even better than my 1990 DT Pro headphones
The Monarch MKIIIs are noticeably better than the Mega5ESTs but it isn't as massive a jump as going from Tea Pros to Mega5ESTs. Well worth the $750 I paid.
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>>108544753
My condolences.
>>108544836
After three years of pos circlejerk I bought speakers, then realized how much better they are than IEMs and that headphones are way closer to speakers than any IEM.
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>>108545196
speakers

Great choice for someone who never goes outside. Enjoy!
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best tips? is liquid silicone comfy?
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>get earfun air pro 4+
>listening to more music because the inconvenience of being tethered is gone
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>>108545421
>best shoe?
>are loafers comfy?
i'm trying to become a nicer more welcoming person but people like you are making it real hard
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>>108545421
dunu s&s
Final Audio Type E Tips
Spinfit W1
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>>108544753
My Variations sound better and I only paid $380 for them
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I hope (You) haven't forgotten the original intention of IEMs
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>>108545612
Original intention is to be EQ'd right?
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>soundpeats nebula 5 driver TWS that will finally bridge the gap and end the TWS debate
/iemg/ on suicide watch, all the time you spent searching for chifi trash, cablesz tips and more have gone to waste. The Nebulas will outperform all of your iems while being TWS.
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>>108545893
>soundpeats
They need to fix the battery life on their top tier models
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>>108545196
Never heard headphones that are any closer to speakers than IEMs, both a complete in your head experience, no matter how open. And in tonality IEMs are closer.
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is there any tws with airpod pro level anc you can plug in whenever you want zero latency?
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>>108546492
>airpod pro level anc
earfun air pro 4i
>can plug in
not exactly TWS then, is it?
I don't think there are any TWS that let you do this
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>>108546513
the airpod max can
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>>108546532
but the airpod max disables the mic when you plug in which makes it kind of useless.
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>>108545052
do you know at what frequencies your length modes are for each one?
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>>108545196
>After three years of pos circlejerk I bought speakers, then realized how much better they are than IEMs and that headphones are way closer to speakers than any IEM.
you can't speak in absolutes about those things. You need to name speakers, headphones and IEMs you've heard.
>>108546435
same applies to you
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>>108547272
I'm not listing 100+ items just to make a point. sr1a is the purest example of the "ear speaker" concept but it still doesn't sound like speakers. Even if we take cavernous soundstage tales at face value it still not how speakers sound. Take your phone speaker, it sounds neither wide nor in your head. So do real speakers, though they do have width obviously. It's completely orthogonal to how IEMs and headphones sound.
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>>108547378
>sr1a is the purest example of the "ear speaker" concept but it still doesn't sound like speakers.
no shit
>it sounds neither wide nor in your head
lel it sounds like dogshit
in general I don't feel that IEMs are playing inside my head. It feel closer to playing around my head - as if sound is coming from every direction simultaneously... which makes sense because they are diffuse field devices...
Same with headpos.
And none of that has anything to do with what I said.
It is just weird to say that IEMs in tonality are closer to speakers when both pos and headpos can basically have any tonality and it depends on a huge amount of factors.
Again you should name everything you are comparing... each of these devices - speakers, pos, headpos can play tremendously different from each other and one another
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>>108546435
>>108547272
>Never heard headphones that are any closer to speakers than IEMs, both a complete in your head experience, no matter how open. And in tonality IEMs are closer.
you guys realise that iems and headphones have speakers inside them right? with iems the speakers are literally inserted inside your head. headphone speakers are close to your head but definitely outside of it .full size speakers are far away from your head. you dont have to be an audiophile to hear the differences.
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>>108547488
Contrary to popular belief the distance from the driver doesn't determine how wide something sounds, otherwise these would be wider than any headphones. In fact even speakers will sound in your head if you're listening in an anechoic chamber.
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>>108547488
well? walls sound waves are reflected from are also outside of your head and around you... but then you can install speakers in such way that they will be playing as if from every direction (in a anechoic room) and fact that they are outside of your head won't mean shit.
In the end soundwaves will end up inside your ear canal no matter what no matter the source... You get what I'm talking about? It's also not magic
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>>108547517
>>108547526
>Contrary to popular belief the distance from the driver doesn't determine how wide something sounds,
the size of the speakers and size of the space DO determine how wide something sounds. obviously some tiny ass drivers played through a pool noodle arent going to sound like full sized speakers.
>>108547526
In the end soundwaves will end up inside your ear canal no matter what no matter the source...
yes but humans can still hear difference between something being whispered in their ear and a recording of that whisper getting blasted from a PA system 100 meters away.
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>>108547581
The difference is from room reflections, which IEMs and headphones don't have. And without them speakers sound like headphones, no matter how big and distant they are.
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>>108547581
also inb4
>iems can create an illusion of sound space larger than their form factor bla bla bla
so can headphones
so can speakers
but how far this illusion is can go for each of them is still very much anchored to reality
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>>108547606
believe it or not there is room around your ears, and inside of your head
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>>108547619
Believe it or not, there are no reflections there(in the audible frequencies).
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>>108547581
>the size of the speakers and size of the space DO determine how wide something sounds
citation needed
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>>108547581
>obviously some tiny ass drivers played through a pool noodle arent going to sound like full sized speakers.
why not? sound waves are end up in your tiny ear canal anyway
>>108547610
>but how far this illusion is can go for each of them is still very much anchored to reality
it's all in your brain anyway illusion can go as far as your brain allows it too. in theory
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>>108547581
>yes but humans can still hear difference between something being whispered in their ear and a recording of that whisper getting blasted from a PA system 100 meters away.
depends on the circumstances
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>>108547619
wasn't there some funny youtube experiment where respondents were unable to tell if they were listening to headphones or speakers?
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>>108547634
idk you might be right on that one, about the inner ear. im not a scientist.
but there are absolutely audible reflections around the ear itself. its why we even have ears sticking out of the head to begin with.
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>>108547644
That's just what people think intuitively. Just like they think FR is separate from IR.
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does everyone ITT seriously think iems sound as 3D as speakers?
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Audio is 50% real and 50% hallucination. The brain just makes shit up. You can only hear this clip once, once you know what it says you'll never hear it like that again
https://voca.ro/1h0KgyBfAfjC
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>>108547681
depends
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>>108547686
>depends
on what? im talking about good stereo speakers, not a ueboom.
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>>108547684
I mean I got "a sign" but shit before that was kinda hmm
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>>108547696
a lot of things.
what IEMs you use, how delusional you are, what do you mean by "3D"
frontal speakers won't give you surround sound but pos and headpos can
it's a question of what you are trying to achieve and how
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>>108547652
>>108547684
>everything sounds the same anyways because sound is an illusion and nothing is real
cope for people who cant afford nice speakers
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>>108547725
If it looks better it sounds better. This is well known. Black headphones will sound darker and silver headphones will sound brighter even if it's exactly the same headphone.
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>>108547725
>>everything sounds the same
that's wrong
>>sound is an illusion and nothing is real
that's more or less right
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>>108548221
>>108548221
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