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/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General 04/07/26(Tue)13:03:50 No.108548221
/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General 04/07/26(Tue)13:03:50 No.108548221
/iemg/ & /pmpg/ - In-Ear Monitor & Portable Music Player General Anonymous 04/07/26(Tue)13:03:50 No.108548221 [Reply]▶
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Eva edition
How to request advice:
>Budget
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
>Frequency response preference and music examples
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
FAQ:
>Where do I buy IEMs?
Amazon, Aliexpress, Linsoul, Hifigo, Shenzhenaudio
>Shopping Guide (IEMs, PMPs, Cables, Ear Tips, etc.):
https://consoomer-guide.pages.dev/
>/iemg/'s Journal:
https://iemgazette.pages.dev/
>EQ Guide (EQ 101, Targets, Myths & Misconceptions, Papers, etc.):
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/
>Measurements:
https://iem-eq-guide.pages.dev/measurement-databases/
>Budget Wire Over-Ear IEMs:
• Tanchjim Bunny DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22
• Truthear Gate (Mild V) - $22
• EPZ Q1 Pro (V-shape) - $35
>Bullet IEMs:
• Tanchjim Zero Ultima DSP (Mild U/5-Band PEQ) - $22
• Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30
• Etymotic ER2XR (Towards Neutral) - $140
>Flathead Earbuds:
• Blue Vido (Warm) - $5
• Yincrow X6 (Warm) - $10
>USB-C DACs:
• JCally JM6 (Non Pro) / CX Pro - $8
• JadeAudio JIEZI (10-Band PEQ) - $18
• TRN Black Pearl (10-Band PEQ) - $38
• Qudelix 5K (20-Band PEQ/GEQ) - $110
>PMPs:
• HiBy R1 - $85
• HiBy M300 - $200
>AVOID USING:
• Mainboard audio when using multi-driver pos
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On the topic of headphones. Any good headphones?
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>>108548331
Fox techs.
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>>108548318
for headphones you'll need to find... comfortable ones for your head, open with good bass, low acoustic impendence, low unit variance, low channel variance, low positional variance, good default tuning, low distortion for EQ, with easily obtainable earpads.
So in short good luck with that
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>>108548858
omg stop being an autist retard, iems are the highest acoustic impedance devices and need to assume your HRTF that is completely bypassed, so if your DF ear gain peaks earlier than 3k and your pos is tuned to have the ear gain at 3k it'll sound unnatural as fuck, hps have that backed in, not to mention the totally shitshow insertion depth and length modes that is a PITA to fix
and you say as if you can't find your sweet spot with hps and keep that position every seating
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>>108548850
https://store.hiby.com/products/hiby-r4-x-evangelion
the rest is prolly custom
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Was told to come over here from /sqg/ so I'm gonna ask here again:
This might be dumb but: Are there any earphones that are good for cycling? Preferably wired so that I don't fucking lose them if I hit some hefty bumps. (and also my old ass phone needs wired headphones to get a radio signal) Since they are for cycling I also need them to not be noise cancelling. That's pretty important, so I can hear shit in the roads. Should also have a mic to occasionally take calls, and not cost a hundred dollars. Does such a thing exist? Anything in this general, decent for cycling without breaking the bank?
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>>108548988
>iems are the highest acoustic impedance devices and need to assume your HRTF that is completely bypassed
well yes. but also gate or bunny is like $20
>so if your DF ear gain peaks earlier than 3k and your pos is tuned to have the ear gain at 3k it'll sound unnatural as fuck
that's not exactly true. brain will adapt it gives less fucks than most assume
>not to mention the totally shitshow insertion depth and length modes that is a PITA to fix
this depends but again shit is like 20 bucks and length modes aren't that hard to fix.
half of the time fixing peaky and dipy headpos treble is simply impossible.
>and you say as if you can't find your sweet spot with hps and keep that position every seating
not always. Head movement will move headpos too. Earpad wear will change sweet spot and peaks. and the most important of all your headpos won't cost $20
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Why are we suddenly pretending that insertion depth is in any way important for a single person? If pos is comfortable and sits at the same spot you can be sure that insertion length won't change. Then you just EQ length modes and peaks out and maybe tilt FR with a couple of filters... and that's all
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*Thieaudio Prestige LTD*
https://youtu.be/FXD4jh3cUXU?si=CSoPMaasuvOgVZjD
https://youtu.be/pi7h7njZgmM?si=Zi9hrmQfO1fP8wFS
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g.a.y.
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>>108549457
EQ your pos fully FLAT. Using your length mode position calculate your ear canal length. Then using that calculate your natural ear gain frequency. apply it to EQ. add treble shelf to preference. then play 3D audio and use high Q peak filters to add positional ques via trial of error
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Got the memezu Wan'er S.G II and they sound worse than my favorite xiaomi Dual Magnetic Super Dynamic ones, I'm still upset I damaged one of the them so they don't sound balanced what a piece of shit thos memezus are in comparison. Literally non existent lows and piercing highs what a trash heap, be ashamed recommending these.
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>>108550521
Tried even the xiaomi ones, EQd the fuck out of lows, they plain suck nothing to add. This trend with zoomers paying for some shitty drawing or whatever on their piece of garbage buds is what drives the sales. Plain xiaomis run circles around them but they are not "cool" looking right? Also a shame the stock is not reliable with cheap copies of already cheap buds everywhere.
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>>108550559
literally every measurement of waners show decent amount of lows. they should not be too bright either. If you have long ear canals maybe your length mode is too close to 6k and elevates the whole region around it.
Either yours are broken or you have no seal
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>>108550842
better, but no miracles since the drivers are shit
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>>108550792
*For real*
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>>108548221
just in case anyone else was worried about the Sandisk clip mp3 players all being out of production, I got one of these (Yoton clip) and it's surprisingly not shit. I normally use a Clip Jam, and the yoton is larger in all dimensions but still small.
The build quality is slightly worse/less polished. The button area is far smaller on the yoton than the clip jam. the yoton is probably more comparable to a Clip Sport than a clip Jam. Also, the UI feels less polished.
On the bright side, it's pretty cheap, comes with a 64GB memory card, has a color screen, and basically all the same functions of the sandisk clip players. Battery life also seems to be fine, and it's got USB-C, a separate power button, and the headphone port is on top which I like.
Would recommend as a sandisk clip replacement.
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>>108550990
dolby atmos is a bit dramatic since it's weak, here is hiby that works better.
>>108551033
you are fucking deaf try using something that isn't chink shit for a change
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>>108551188
here is another for vocal heavier tracks, the other is more for instrumental
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Good morning, does anyone use PeqDB?
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>>108551322
>Detail and speed and punchiness with low distortion that conforms to EQ very well
What did he mean by this?
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>>108551472
what are you pretending to be retarded? the fact that out of all these cheap chink shits xiaos come on top means I had something better to compare them to don't you think? Don't fucking (You) me ever again.
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>>108551508
>the fact that out of all these cheap chink shits xiaos come on top means
it doesn't mean anything
xiaomi is like 2000 times bigger than fucking tangzu making their shit in some basement lmao
you are fucking stupid
also you are objectively wrong because waners 1 and 2 are some of the most popular IEMs and were reviewed by hundred of retards with dozens of measurements on magnitude of measuring rigs and none agrees with you
sucks to suck
also you are crying a bit too much about $20 pos aka almost literally free
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>>108551431
I THOGUHT ELECTROSTATIC WAS THE BEST TRANSDUCER TECH WHY DOES AN ESTAT HAVE DISTORTION THIS BAD WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHAT IS HAPPENING WHY WHY WHY WHY HOW DOES THAT WORJ WHAT THE FUCM FUCM CKDKS
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another ayy lmao moment after running a few tests with different DACs, those wankers sg 2 tend to distort bad even with a slightest EQ, the drivers must be made out of cheapest china magic cost saving piece of shit imaginable, literally can't even EQ them to sound decent
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I DIDNT BUY A POS I DIDNT BUY A POS I DIDNT BUY A POS ELECTROSTAT IS BEST DETAILS AND RESOLUTIONS THE THD GRAPH IS SOME SORT OF ARTIFACT OR MEASUREMENT ERROR ITS NOT REAL IT DIDNT HAPPEN IT SOUNDS CLEANER IT SOUNDS CLEANER HELP HEPP HELP HELP
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>>108551700
wtf do you mean backpedaling you delusional deaf retard?
measurements are objective metric tho lmao... and there are a lot of them. all different sources, different units, different couplers.
You are so fucking stupid holy SHIT.
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NO NO THE NEARLY WEIGHTLESS ETHEREAL MASS OF THE DIAPHRAGM THE EFFORTLESS THE INCREDIBLY THIN DIAPHRAGM THE SPEED SPEED THE SPEED WHY DID THIS HAPPEN HOW COULD A $20 CHINESE DYNAMIC DRIVER DO THIS THIS IS ALL A PSYOP PSYOP PSYOP SHURE IS A PRESTIGIOUS AUDIO COMPAN THEY PAINSTAKINGLY DESIGNED THE FIRST ELECTROSTATIC IEM IT HAS TO BE GOOD IT HAS TO BE GOOD PLEASE PLEASE
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>>108551858
> DESIGNED THE FIRST ELECTROSTATIC IEM
Uhhh akshully it was the SR-001 mk1 back in the 1995 and it is quite decent even by modern standards given how gimmiky the fit is
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I remember there used to be a headphone general on this board what happened to that? I had a question about mics for my hd600s. I don't want to use a streamer type mic it's just obnoxious and takes up too much space but cheaper desk mics I've seen tried on Amazon suck and seem more for office meetings in a larger room. I've seen modmic but that's more than I want to spend. I've seen some online mic cables but I like the cable I use now. Anyone have similar experiences?
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>>108552597
just look at this shit, some gay pride fag color themes and zoomer tier quality of posts this is probably the gayest most superficial general on /g/, no audio enthusiast want to be paired with these mental cases. Just looking at some of the "custom" ""designs"" on here makes me wonder if these faggots even care about sound quality at all
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>>108552649
/hpg/ lost
audiocels lost
Superior waifu techs won
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hmm I wonder what tranime fur faggotry picture on my pieces of ear cancer defines me the best hmm.. last time I checked earbuds were a thing normal people used to commute or jog with, this whole "in ear monitor" shit is some advanced mental illness because you have to be delusional to compare literal disposable trash to proper headphones and then they paint pictures on them lmfao
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how do i cope owning this high distortion pos
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>>108552700
Upgrade to fox IEM.
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>>108552875
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/learn/research/distortion-audibility
https://www.rtings.com/headphones/learn/research/distortion-audibility -listening-tests
unless ur deaf that listen to super loud volumes, most iems have distortion low enough that you dont have to worry about and the higher number isnt necessary bad as it depends on the harmonic profile (read about masking in the first link) so something highish but falls inside the masking curve wont be audible but low thd with harmonics falling outside the masking you might hear it
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is the dunu ito any good for my music library?
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>>108551155
does it work with android auto?
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>avoid using mainboard audio
so my USB-C cable that plugs into my motherboard isnt good enough? do I need a soundblaster card or something?
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Is Sony's WF-1000XM6 really that great as a noise canceller or is it an overpriced garbage?
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I know my question is not gonna be strictly about headphones, but I think this is the best general atm to ask:
I have a setup that goes like this:
ASUS XDG on Linux to Behringer MS40 through toslink.
I often use Beyerdynamic DT770 250 Ohm while using it, but I wanted to move to wireless for some tasks. I recently saw the FIIO BR 13 which would allow me to use BT headphones. My question is, I'm researching how good the MS40 DAC is, so I don't know if I should use Coax out or RCA/3.5mm.
Does it matter? am I trying it too hard and whichever would be fine? Thanks
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>>108552700
Euphonic harmonic coloration (THD) > Sterile clean pos sound
>>108552875
You don't, because it does not even matter
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>5128 HRTF is not your HRTF
Duh, that's the point of using JM-1, it's some population average. Everyone aiming for it, and it's not average, won't find it neutral or like that tilt, which is a preference thing and not HRTF linked.
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I hope TWS tips don't become the new meme, they implode when you're lying on your back.
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>>108555451
many audiophiles invest in crazy expensive speakers just to play a what...$50 record? a $14 CD?
you'll never get more information that what's already baked into the audio. you don't need 24-bit over 16-bit and you don't need 96k over 48k.
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>Is there any reason to hang onto or collect these high samplerate/bitrate 24 bit depth audio files?
Unless you have a very specific hardware setup (if you are asking about this, you probably don't), then no.
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why do people keep getting this slop and then complains that it's shit? no shit it's shit that has garbage build quality.
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>>108561524
do this aliexpress trick and get edc pro for free, lil bro
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every attempt of me getting this from aliexpress has resulted in a refund. and none of them really were much cheaper, i just liked the feeling of using coins and coupons for the perceived savings, when import tax makes it all moot in the end.
i just really want one, you know? i'll probably only really use it a few times, and then the occasional take it out of the box and plug it in, but hey, it makes me happy.
at least that's what i tell myself, when im alone, in my bed, while crying myself to sleep.
im so lonely.
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Are you guys ready for the?
*Synphonium Zenith*
https://open.spotify.com/track/5BIl5T1vtqE4tRk6eMpBdk?si=KsfFnEHyQASrb uhwIPkdNA
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>>108563884
Dox your face and head shape to private companies so that they can run AI on the reference data to generate a personal HRTF profile. You know, the same shit that Mark Cerny used to talk about. There are no private local solutions available yet unfortunately.
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>>108551888
Techs are high distortion. BAs, tubes, R2R.
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should i buy this 500 dollar TOTL DONG
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Are there any halfway decent open back IEMs? Ideally wireless, ideally sport "hooks all the way around the ears" style, but anything compatible with external TWS hooks could work.
I want something for rock climbing where I need to be able to hear rope commands back and forth and it's ok if the sound quality has to suffer to make that happen. Last resort if nothing exists is bone conduction but I'm not a big fan of them. Budget is anything sub-4-figures.
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>>108568536
you mean earbuds? plenty of them around, probably some beats stuff or you can go the ear clip route
check scarbir for more info
https://www.scarbir.com/tws/open-ears-from-amazon-tested
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So I just got home wasted out of my socks and I have this super duper rare Eliphas Levi 100 copies limited edition demo cassette tape. Tell me why I shouldn't unseal it and listen to it on my MK1 GREEN Cadenza while I fall asleep in my comfy bed with brand new sheets on? Cassettes are objectively garbage, and are really only good for collecting, but collecting shit is also gay and cringe and music is to be enjoyed in all it's forms and using whatever technology you have on hand.
Tell me I'm wrong. I'm not.
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>>108569345
This shit is so godlike I can't believe I own it. I will open it and use it you can't stop me.
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>>108569354
cool story bro, here's a (You)
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>>108569466
Thanks, I appreciate the you.
>>108569474
It's so good. In this one they had a different vocalist that didn't make it to the official lineup. When they recorded their albums after they had their real guy. This same song was released with two different vocalists. Pretty sick hearing the difference.
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This thread could use some nice high resolution vinyl rips.
https://files.catbox.moe/2poxsj.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/t3tjte.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/73thsl.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/g1mc0o.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/qx9714.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/zcly2i.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/0ob5p0.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/0h5boe.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/5s3zs9.flac
https://files.catbox.moe/2rpmm1.flac
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ive been using the same iems for 4 years
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>Budget
~150
>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Apple music
>Frequency response preference and music examples
Beats
>Past gear and your thoughts on them
Wgner sg2. It's like good in the lowest low. Need iems tgst capture more details. Sound doesn't get mixed.
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>>108570589
depends
what kind of fit will you have?
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>>108573683
711 canal is too short, no one can fit that deep without 3-flange so the range is actually lower
>And 711 doesn't even resolve the difference at 300Hz.
theres no data supporting humans have this feature
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>711 canal is too short, no one can fit that deep without 3-flange so the range is actually lower
wrong? my length modes are unironically at around 9500 with most IEMs
only gates with short wide tips put it at like 8600-8800.
For me daybreak unironically sounds like this btw lol I don't think there's a dip like that around 7500 but crazy fucking shit around 10k is 100% real and it sounds fucking awful
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praise of the $3 3.5mm impedance adapter (200ohms impedance adapter on 19 ohms hisenior mega5p ultra (1 DD+4 BA hybrid) and aune yuki se dongle dac (90mW on the 3.5mm ) :
>+3db bass boost on my hybrid iem (see graphs below)
>my normal listening volume is now 34% which gives me fine grain volume adjustment ( without impedance adapter i was at 4% and 5% was already too loud). on paper this should give me a 10x improvement in thd but i did not hear it.
>my dongle suffered from EMI from my phone and it is totally gone.
YAY !!
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https://www.scarbir.com/guide/cheap-earphones-with-longest-battery-lif e
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>>108575076
I mean it does the job, don't think that I ever had a single problem with it
Although after hearing that toppings blow up headphones I caught a phobia and ended up buying a different DAC instead so now it just sits collecting dust
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>>108570343
Headphones in general and beyers in particular are not good for making music. "Studio headphone" simply means it has noise isolation. You can use a helicopter headset like Burzum. Everything that requires actual audio accuracy is done on speakers. It will never be the bottleneck though.
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i want much slam and physicality as possible without its decay bleeding into the next note. if you think of waves, i want each wave to be as big and tall as possible, while also having the water level return to flat before the next wave. maximum amplitude within a zero carryover constraint. not dense and continuous, not lean and separated, but some sort of ideal Pareto frontier where impact and separation are both maximized. do you understand?
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This.
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I've been using Halou S35 ANC while running outdoors but they broke (battery and sound output both started failing).
Never really liked in-ear things but I may give them a try. How does sound quality compare? How easy is it to lose them? How long do they last?
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>the ones I'm using
Which is...?
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>PR2/PRX
PR2 might be fine but stay the fuck away from PRX. While they might be most polished of their PR series in terms of tuning, the QC on those is horrible and there are lots of reports of massive channel imbalance out of the box. Just save yourself the trouble.
I suppose there must be something about the revision of the driver they use in PRX being fucky to produce properly.
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>EDC Pro
I don't know, maybe? My EDC Pro is alright (for the price at least) but it's been a while since I bought it, and we all know what KZ does to their products once they stay on the market for a while. It's more than likely that currently sold EDC pro has nothing to do with the iem people praised.
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>>108587404
you wanted an upgrade, i gave you the solution (eq)
you wanted an "upgrade" (ie spending money for the fuck of it) and i gave you suggestions
now you want an "upgrade" in the same price range as the ultra
is there something wrong with you?
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>Sony IER-EX15C (Warm/Dark) - $30
Is this actually decent or some shitpost recommendation?
I mostly use headphones, but I'm looking for an in-ear option.
My total budget is around $100 (including USB DAC if needed), I'd prefer the Harman sound profile. IK that Sony isn't Harman.
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I have lost and broke all my headphones so I feel like trying something new. Which iems would you recommend for DJing ? I found about the soundbrenner through my research and the Knowledge Vibe X looks very interesting but I feel you may point me to some other good solutions
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>>Budget
$30, Europe
>>Intended use (media, source, environment)
Music, from phone, outdoors
>>Frequency response preference and music examples
I don't know. My Chemical Romance and The Smiths I guess.
>>Past gear and your thoughts on them
The only IEMs I've had were the stock wired ones that used to be bundled with your phone.
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Bullets are rare, and this one is replacing the E500 for that signature. It's USB-C instead of 3.5mm, so no need for a DAC, but if you like Harman, you might go with EPZ Q1 Pro or truthear zero red, unlike that sony you can replace the cable when it shits itself.
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Don't forget to order you're free IEM tomorrow.
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>>108590083
Don't buy overpowered amps/dongles. If you still want one for reddit updoots buy one with hardware volume control and limit the volume. If you're desperate for updoots and bought one without volume control get an impedance adapter.
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$400-$450
rule of thumb ive seen is 10%-15% reduction in msrp price (not from alix) for new "mint" releases (excluding shipping, sold outside of large sale periods)
reduce price if there's not much interest
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>>108590871
I just bought the Moondrop Dawn Pro 2. I was looking into the JM20, but the heat issues people mentioned were a dealbreaker.
The DAC is overspecced for the Zero Red, but I'll use it in whichever new IEM I buy in the future.
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>>108590871
NTA but I can only fit well with zero reds. thank you crin for making a custom iem for me
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>>108587952
Fox technology.
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>>108592425
for me its KZ EDC Pro and Nightjar Blue Hour
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im sort of officially done bros. got everything i want. still have the mems on the way, but yeah.
smell ya later.
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>>108595229
>im sort of officially done bros. got everything i want. still have the mems on the way, but yeah.
see ya next week fren
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Got a headphone question:
I recently got Shokz open run pro 2s, and in every review / marketing material, the connective wire seems to "hover" a good bit away from the back of the head of the person wearing it, mine however are snug against the back of my head, to the point that when I look up, or move my head to the side it pulls the driver over the tragus of my ear.
Do I just have a massive head? As far as I can tell these are not the open pro minis, at least it doesn't say "mini" anywhere on the package, product or the blutooth connection. I really like these, but the wire being just a tiny bit too small is a bit of a pisser.
Pic related, it's how I see them fit anyone else.
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>>108596469
as long it isnt a salnotes zero or daybreak, it'll be fine. you can buy fifteen EDC Pros or kuntens for 50 bucks and if one lasts you a year and a half, that's twenty odd years of not having to worry about not being able to listen to your tunes for a couple days of waiting for something to come in from china.
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I use the R3ProII, which is like the R1's older brother. No complaints about the hardware, but the software is laggy and crashes a fair bit. You can run Rockbox on top of it, but it's not much better. I haven't been able to lock the screen like I can with the native OS. So I have to wait for it to timeout, all while awkwardly avoiding contact with the touchscreen.
Still, the device spends the vast majority of its time in my pocket, so a shitty OS isn't exactly a dealbreaker.
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i'd personally go HiBy R1 over the Echo Mini if hard budget and brand new (for warranty and support (official or community), you're probably gonna need it).
if flexible, i'd look for a sleeper couple generation old high end player or flagship phone and a dongle.
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is cow fetus skin TOTL?
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this should be TOTL. effect audio shoots 5 horses per case for the rare corduvan leather
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>>108599252
If it's not impregnated with snake oil I'm not buying.
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>>108601932
Only fox matters.