>>7877408
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7877409
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7877411
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

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Inking considerations
I've always used red lines on a yellow-orange background when drawing - yellow-orange is easier on the eyes, and red is its compliment, so it stands out more. But now that I'm really trying to make a quality product, do you think it's time for me to move on to using black and white?

>pic related (the black/white here looks blue-tinted, but it's just an optical illusion)

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How do I come up with a story for my Manga?

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>>7877445
>Find something you love to write
>Find something you love to draw
>Find something you want to say - it doesn't have to be revolutionary, it just has to be something you believe in strongly
>Mix them together

Don't be afraid to take inspiration from the things you love, too. It's a pretty common pitfall to try to explain your thing as "[X series] but with [Y twist]" just as it is to go "my series can't be inspired by anything because otherwise I'm not being original," but no idea is created in a vacuum. Every work of art was inspired by many other things, but also has its own ideas mixed in.

A generally good sign that you have a solid story is that you can explain it in a couple sentences, and it'll sound interesting.
>After dying in an accident, a juvenile delinquent is given a second chance at life by Heaven, on the condition that he acts as their agent by fighting Demons on Earth
>In a village of Ninja, a boy has a demon fox sealed inside of him. Though he's socially outcast, he's determined to prove everyone wrong by becoming the greatest Ninja
>A city girl and a monkey boy travel the world trying to collect seven magical artifacts that will grant them a wish. In the process, they battle with other people trying to steal the artifacts for themselves
>Before he was executed, the greatest pirate in history told the world that he'd hid all of his treasure in one place. A monkey boy (a different one) sets sail to try and find it, gathering a crew to help him on the way
You'll find three of these four have an active protagonist - that is, a character who wants something and is actively trying to get it. This is great for an adventure story, since it means (a) your main character is never sitting idle waiting for something to happen, they're always acting and (b) you have a really tangible goal for them to work towards, rather than something abstract like "happiness" or "fulfilment." Passive protagonists can work in the right story, though.

I'm quite good at drawing and can do any extreme perspective I can possibly think of, but I suck at the paneling and composition of the panels. I wonder if there is any way to ask and find someone willing to do the "storyboard" of the comic and I just do my thing?

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I ran into a problem. The rear engines of the spaceship will end up hitting the warp tree with their thrust when they turn. Well, I'll figure it out...

>>7877445
same plot holes scare me, and one can ruin a whole story and people will call it out to filth, because id do the same.

>>7877461
Thank you.

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Reading through the pages I've finished, I think the pacing is a bit rushed so I will probably add some new pages in between. Has that ever happened to you?

>>7877461
Thank you for sharing, invaluable post.

manga making general

>>7877542
Yes. This is the manga making general.

>>7877504
Yeah, a lot. When you're staring at each page for hours and hours your perspective on the pacing can be a bit skewed. This is why storyboards are important.

>>7877504
>doesn't board panels

cart goes behind horse

>>7877430
Personal preference is bottom

>>7877504
thats why storyboards are so good, inking should be as close to the final step as possible in order to save your mental energy.

>>7877445
Read manga in theory and practice.

>>7877445
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEp-7cHc1uc

>>7877613
australian porn drawing general
you should make a cameo of your detective girls from Indra's Net getting plapped by the guy too, i bet COMIC Mugen Tensei would love that

>>7877613
these are good but I'm not trying to be horny rn so I only glance at them.

>>7877699
>>7877708
Thanks.

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>>7877613
I wish I could create ero-doujin again.
Fuck my plummeting libido.
I'm still 30 but I don't feel horny anymore.
Damn it.

>>7877445
Connect-the-dots method is the only way I can really do it.
>come up with individual set pieces and conversations, sometimes even just a single cool double page spread I have in mind but doesn't have any context
>assign them to characters
>then build the plot around that in a way so these individual moments can take place in a way that seems natural
>if it's a fantasy/action/horror manga try not to establish too much worldbuilding in the beginning as this will hinder your ability to pivot the story

I'm sure there's people who have a full synopsis of their entire story in mind from the beginning, but I think that's probably rare.

For hobbyists like us the number of pages is the bottleneck, so I think it's crucial to scrutinize each chapter / scene / page. Does this element advance the plot or develop a character? Cut mercilessly, but don't rush, if that makes sense. I think good pacing and character interactions are the most crucial part, the plot and the artwork almost don't matter by comparison.

If it has good pacing, people will read a story about literally anything.

>>7877801
What the hell?
Are you a woman or something? Do you take medication? I'm getting a little hornier every year. By 40 my transformation into ugly bastard shall be complete.

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>>7877499
>>7877529
Thanks anons
I love talking writing, but it doesn't come up as much as you'd think. Which is a shame! It's fun to talk about.

>>7877613
Dingle? Been waiting for your next work on mugen tensei

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>>7877801
>coomer complains about shot dopamine receptors

>>7877908
>shot dopamine receptors
Meme pseudoscience
More likely a vitamin deficiency or endocrine damage from environmental poisons

>>7878074
how convenient

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>>7877461
>After dying in an accident, a juvenile delinquent is given a second chance at life by Heaven, on the condition that he acts as their agent by fighting Demons on Earth
>In a village of Ninja, a boy has a demon fox sealed inside of him. Though he's socially outcast, he's determined to prove everyone wrong by becoming the greatest Ninja
>A city girl and a monkey boy travel the world trying to collect seven magical artifacts that will grant them a wish. In the process, they battle with other people trying to steal the artifacts for themselves
>Before he was executed, the greatest pirate in history told the world that he'd hid all of his treasure in one place. A monkey boy (a different one) sets sail to try and find it, gathering a crew to help him on the way
These are pretty good, mind if I use them?

>>7877476
Describe your issues with panels. With practice, you won't need to rely on others for something like this.

>>7877504
I found myself with one extra page once and inserted it into a slower scene and it actually improved pacing as well as served a decent narrative purpose of showing one character's reaction to recent events, so don't be afraid to occasionally slow things down.
>>7877801
I'll trade you. I get almost unbearably horny as soon as I wake up and I usually fap one to four times a day, sometimes spending almost an entire weekend day on it. Like they said in Revenge of the Nerds, all I think about is sex.

>>7877476
study the damn media

>>7877812
>If it has popular characters that people recognize, people will read a story about literally anything.
Fixed that for you.

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>>7878166
Totally buddy
I know they're really original, no need to thank me

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>>7877801
You're on the right path.
There're reasons why a lot of ero artists are sort of mentally ill or why a lot of them go mainstream after a little while.
Porn is just bad for your brain.
Stay away from porn.

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>>7878259
Here's one case.

>>7878259
>>7878260

Shalom.

>>7878260
>Chappy
He should stop drawing and commit sudoku already

>>7878276
>He
Flieger is a she.
Quite a drama queen too.
Too bad, I liked her work.

A ninja boy (who is the reincarnation of a god) has a demon sealed inside him that gives him infinite power, and he uses it to talk to bad guys and convince them to stop destroying the world, and then aliens come and he does the same thing to them.

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>>7878319
I think I've heard this one before...

>>7878259
Been gooning since I was 12. It's so joever for me. How do I enlarge my brain again?

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do you guys think this character looks consistent in these 3 panels? Only got 1 other person looking at my comic, and they say that she changes her face every panel, and that in this one its a short face, and in the next its too long. what do yall think?

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>>7878374
i havent done a character sheet yet, so if she looks too different i'll transform her face a bit so its more consistent. if you got any other critiques too on the inking/ drawing feel free to tell, ive sorta toned down on the crosshatching while i try to study it and understand it better

>>7878374
She only looks different on the second panel, with the sideways face. Her face looks a little fat in the other panels but skinny in the one I said.

>>7878342
>>7878259
That data only shows that bigbrain people have a lower inclination of watching porn, not that porn consumption impacts brain size.
If this is not the first thing that jumps out at you when looking at the graph, no level of semen retention can save you.

>>7878374
>>7878376
I can tell it's the same character but she looks like she's morphing into the Hulk, so if that's not intentional you should make some adjustments.

>>7878319
One way I think you could improve on this is if like it seems like he's really weak at first and most people shun him but then it turns out he's got the strongest ability, like Rudolph but with waifus!

>>7878379
So does semen retention actually work or what?

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>>7878380
is the hulk thing the wide shoulders? Shes meant to be wearing a big jacket on, which I sorta struggled to logisically work with a bit i guess. like shes meant to be bending over, and it looked better in the drafts, but then with the jacket over the top, it covered the lines that made it obvious she was bending over towards the camera

>>7878410
No, and in fact exercising your prostate is very strongly correlated with a reduced risk of prostate cancer later on in life. Besides, if you keep it all bottled up your body just does a nocturnal emission anyway.

.....anyways to get back on track I like seeing everybody's comic work thus far. Good effort.

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>>7878410
Yes, it does.
It gives me sniper-like focus, child-like wonder, entrepreneur-like motivation, billionaire-like dedication, and athlete-like discipline.
So cease masturbating and avoid porn/hentai or even lewd stuff/ecchi.
You will become a conqueror.

>>7878410
Masturbating (and porn) is bad for you.
Period.
Anybody saying the otherwise are either kike or goyim who want to enslave you.
Ban porn, don't make porn, make meaningful stuff that can resonate with people of all generations

>>7878431
You're half right. Masturbation should be done as little as possible but you should instead be having sex with a live person.

>>7878342
>Been gooning since I was 12

i know you are shitposting but if that bit is true then by god you definately have a problem

>>7878410
depends. "semen retention" doesn't mean the same thing to a fag who jerks 5 times a day verses a fag who jerks once evey other day.

>>7878436
>i know you are shitposting
Nta but if only you knew how horny things really are.

>>7877710
>your detective girls
Not my characters.

>>7877801
Horniness got nothin to do with it for me.

>>7877892
You're looking at it :)

>>7878436
I am serious, and frankly I don't think this is that uncommon.

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>>7878454
>Horniness got nothin to do with it for me.
Really? That's weird. How can you even reckon if your story and character are titillating to your readers?
Back when I was doing my doujin, brainstorming while being horny is like a self-propelling energy. I always fap while doing the ネーム. It proves that this work is hot for me, it's like fapping to materialized imagination, and if I can fap to it surely somebody follow suit.
Although, yes, I don't feel horny at all while being in the ペン入れ phase.

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>>7878431
>meaningful stuff that can resonate with people of all generations
Like porn

>>7878496
That's just tasteful nudity

>>7878438
based pornanon posting through the existential crisis happening itt

>>7878511
Its literally a dude jacking off to two lesbians having sex.

>>7878422
>>7878423
>>7878431
>goon and get brain rotted
>don't goon and get prostate cancer
So what's the solution here

>>7878514
>So what's the solution here
Be a man.
Touch grass, get a wife, procreate, build a family, contribute to the society.

>>7878514
Nothing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

>>7878521
i'm an incel tho

>>7878513
He's turning something gay and woke into something straight by inserting himself into the situation, you might have had a point about it being degenerate if it was just the two lesbos.

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>>7878527
>bro just dont be an incel
Yeah let me strap on my non-incel hat and head over to the bar to talk to the ladies, that'll work.

>>7878521
Nobody wants to take part in modern society, and nobody cares about women when 100% of them are all only chasing the top 0.1% of men anyway.

>>7878530
Get offline. There are plenty of women with something wrong with them, like bad teeth, or a weird laugh, that just want a man.
Don't date retarded 20 somethings at the bar.

>>7878462
yes this is absolutely strange as a 12 year old. if we are understanding the same defintion of "gooning" something REALLY fucking wrong has happened

>>7878410
Only to the degree that it's a powerful discipline exercise. The effects are purely psychological and can be achieved through other means.

>>7878421
I see. It works better in context.

>>7878436
That's normal you retard.
Did your parents strap you in the Lord's anti-masturbation jacket at night?

>>7878561
Gooning in modern lingo just means looking at porn and fapping sometimes.

>>7878593
>>7878594

modern lingo? I'm 30 years old and gooning has only ever meant edging and being a villains minion. fucking oomer

>>7878421
Is the guy on the left ok?

Where do you guys publish your stuff? when I finish an illustration I post it to twitter, what's the equivalent for comics and manga?

>>7878668
Imo there's no point in posting to comics exclusive sites because the only people browsing there are people who are already reading comics, which is a trivially small number of people.
I'd post to social media, that's where the people are.

>>7878668
Globalcomix, Mangadraft, Webtoons, Tapas, Comicfury, Namicomi, INKR, Mangadex, Manga Plus Creators, your own paid for website, etc etc etc.

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>>7878598
Ok boomer

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>>7878464
NTA, but I find that being horny reduces your ability to discern how "titillating" things are. In the same way being really thirsty would make you drink the most disgusting shit on Earth just because you want a drink that bad, being in that elevated state of sexual arousal will make you find a lot of things attractive that you wouldn't otherwise. Maybe this can give you some insight into the types of things your audience wants to see, but it's not that conducive to a good work flow/

And I don't even make ero manga.

>>7878319
Sounds great
Make sure to make it really gay though. This is important.

Are there really people in the thread who jack off multiple times a day?

>>7878909
are you really that surprised? it's 2026

>>7878775
>>7878776
So from the couple pages I've seen the premise seems to be "YA demon hunter slash Exorcist"
Is there any twist to it? Do you consider this a 'pratice project' or is it the main thing you want to draw? For me, I still feel my art isn't good enough for my main project but I can't really get past the thumbnail and design stage on my sideprojects and oneshots...

I like the American trucker / douchebag hat on the MC

>>7878909
I bet the national average in the 18-35 bracket is above 1.5 and is steadily going up as dating continues to collapse. Excessive Masturbation is becoming the standard for sexual activity.

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>>7878909
We're talking guys who beat off FOUR TIMES A DAY
Personally I usually only do it once or twice a day, but there are periods where my libido rises and I can do it up to five, and then there are periods later where it lowers and I don't do it at all, sometimes for days at a time. It ebbs and flows, and I'm young and more sexual than most people.

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>>7878909
Yes, I let AI generate my manga in the background while I goon to bbw.

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>>7878919
>YA demon hunter slash Exorcist
They are actually fighting satanists. The premise is once you see what you shouldnt see, there is no turning back
Is there any twist to it?
There are 2 major ones
>Do you consider this a 'pratice project' or is it the main thing you want to draw?
This is actually a reboot of the first comic I did back in 2017. I was planning to continue from where I stopped but the story was too convulted and the art bad. So I decided to make a new thing because I really like these characters.

>>7878909
I've always been a once-every-few-days kinda guy but I make it count.

>>7878934
Four is just my highest, not my daily. Usually it's just once or twice. I should have been more specific. Also if you want more examples of how bad it can be there were a couple times I went on for about 6 hours because it kept going limp and I hate not finishing what I start, though in my defense I wager I'd be faster in general if I didn't have to do it quietly when people are home.

>>7878845
I don't know, it's almost the opposite to me. I see sensuality in a lot more things than when I'm not more horny.

>>7878934
>>7878966
>>7879019
Damn, this is getting pathetic. I need to break free. Any ladies in the thread want to link up and... make some manga... if you know what I mean?

>>7878921
Guess that's what happens when women are rewarded for rejecting and screwing over men, have the top picks at the swipe of a screen, are always in demand, and prostitution is illegal while the amount porn grows exponentially. No I don't attribute it all to some illuminati cabal but it certainly helps their cause.

>>7879026
The only "ladies" that might be here probably have bigger dicks than yours lol

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Is it normal to not get horny for your female characters? I even have a hard time trying to picture a lewd pose for them.

>>7879040
I like how my characters look but I'd feel weird lusting over them. It'd be like having those kinds of thoughts about family members, basically.

>>7879041
It's not even about that to me. They just don't turn me on even though I made them with all the things I usually find attractive. It must be some kind of author's curse.

>>7879032
Beggars can't be choosers...

>>7879040
you subconsciously know they'd friendzone y

>/mmg/
>manga making general
>anon says hey guys let's talk about the stuff we're making
>little to no engagement
>anon says hey guys, here's some progress pics of what I'm working on
>little to no engagement
>anon says damn you guys charge your jackoff crystals multiple sessions a day?!
>flurry of responses
Ah...... like clockwork.

>>7879091
What? Did you really fall for the thread name? This is the jacking off general you silly?!

>>7879091
Because this is important information for creating manga. I bet if you could get honest data from the top mangaka, you'll find they either goon a lot or very little. Either semen retention is the key or gooning is the key to great manga, and it's critical we figure this out.

>>7879025
Then I guess you have a different experience than some other people
Legacy legacy what is a legacy

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>>7879091
I did want to reply to these but I have a lot more work to do before I have anything of substance to say

>>7879099
Optimal technique for cum gains??

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>>7879046
Well I think drawing it is just another means of letting loose all those pent up feelings. Like I know the drawings is tame but in pic related I saw the source image and thought it was the hottest fucking shit and by the time I was done drawing it all that pent up lustful feelings kind of went away. Its a different kind of nut I suppose. Not that Im complaining Im getting shit done

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>>7879151
Can't tell if you're trying to bait someone into posting it, but here.

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>>7879158
Nta but it is, I draw almost exclusively to get the ideas out of my head to make room

>>7879253
>Oh No he's hot!

Would my chances with any sort of professional manga work be affected if I have, idk, an NSFW xitter account out in the wild?

>>7879305
just use a diff name

>>7879305
Wouldn't that help your chances? "Why yes, you can see my anatomical prowess right over here..."

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nsfw artists like me should have to put a disclaimer on our art like cigarette ads

Please masturbate responsibly.

>>7879305
nobody cares
even if you use the same name, nobody fucking cares

>>7877408
To all the CSP bros do I really have to get a fucking subscription to use csp on two devices? Tell me that's not true

>>7879349
Sorry bro

>>7879350
fuck man

>>7879350
Can I use my old version Pro 1.0
on one device and another, the 4.0 version
or are they so jewish that they "update" your shit so that's not possible?

>>7879354
I don't know for sure, you should be able to move the account from one device to another if you're on PC but supposedly you can only move it a limited amount of times (don't know the number, it didn't say when I did it) but if you're trying to use it on android or apple you'll need to pay for the subscription or pirate it. They got particularly scummy about it some years back.

>>7878454
>You're looking at it :)
Awesome! Can't wait for it!

>>7879431
Great art so far, your pages are always so high res,

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Haruhisky shared a valuable data about FANZA's AI and Non-AI doujin works in 2025, complete with the most optimal strategy on how to start selling doujin in 2026.
>https://files.catbox.moe/5nvh8m.zip

reccs on a good tablet stand/easel?

I'm on a small Galaxy and need something that's not going to slide around my glass desk when I put some weight on it. I like to lean into my drawing

>>7879598
Parblo

>>7879598
Get any cheap easel and buy some adhesive Velcro poster mounts to mount the easel on the table.

>>7877812
Thanks.

ok I storyboarded 7 pages ahead are you happy /mmg/?

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>>7879924
...More. ...More storyboards than blank space.

>>7879924
not even close to enough

>>7879924
Post em

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I'm trying to see how much abuse I can get away with while making it clear and flow nice.

the hardest thing here is drawing old faces, trying to find manga refs to follow to help me

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>>7879970
If you want the sequence to flow nice it should look more like pic related
Also if you want old ladies from manga/anime just look at the Studio Ghibli flicks theirs tons of old fucks, especially in Ponyo in the scenes with the old retirement ladies

I was thinking of storyboarding the idea I had instead of a traditional manga format.

Do you think that would be unappealing if I wanted people to actually read it? Should I do it anyway?

>>7879985
thank you, thats real good. I wanted it to be a pause between the fabric moving and the crack to show how far its travelling, like a long delay but it was hard to conceptualize

>>7879986
what do you mean storyboarding instead of manga? Storyboarding is for any format.

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>>7880005
Like would be done for a film

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>>7879986
And what? Have it look like pic related? I mean if you have good enough drawing skills like pic related then sure why not but honestly the look of pic related would basically just read like a newspaper comic strip like Peanuts or Baby Blues except the text would be on the bottom, and I mean by that point why not just go all the way and make it read like one of those newspaper strips and incorporate the text into the image?

>>7880009
you can make a 4koma format, that would jazz it up a bit.
You dont need to make a manga with dynamic panels, heres an example: https://mangadex.org/chapter/b47581e6-a434-4921-aec1-9354e800d37e/9

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>>7880009
>>7880011
I mean this is basically what it would look like. And I mean sure you can do that, you can even do it with more action-oriented stories if you really wanted to not just gag shit

>>7879997
You already show that by drawing the panel after the "Silence!" speech bubble with the drawing of the whip reacting to the initial thrust. Remember that while we always need to keep in mind pacing time is still an illusion in regards to reading a comic.
Like the way it initially read in your OG post, the way she started the whip and started to do a lecture, it made it seem like it took a minute for the whip to hit the character, and that is awkward to visualize cause at that point why wouldnt the bitch dodge or acknowledge that the whip is coming, like it made me think of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1GoJk7BKd4
While in my shitty edit, you see the whip weaving and turning but you dont get the time for a lecture in between, but we get that the whip is long still.

>>7880021
thats the joke I'm going for, she wouldn't step out of the way since that's her mother.
I like your edit though and I'm gonna use it, after I switch the order I'll have the final panel be a horrified face, since I plan on her whipping her ass a few more times so there will be more chances to talk while the wave is moving

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>>7878292
>>7878260
>>7878259
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>>7879970
Very cool first panel. General rule for drawing old people is the more creases on the face the older they look.

>>7879986
Look at the original Watchmen comic, they do something similar.

>>7880036
Why does that girl have a penis? Rather odd...

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>>7879986
I actually believe that many manga panels can be constructed in a TV aspect ratio, and it may even be the case that manga aritists imagine their scenes as anime (ie, in a TV aspect ratio) when drawing them.

However, they don't draw them as just that, because that would be really boring to look at. Those storyboard boxes are fit into manga shaped panels (of course this all happens in one step in the mind as they are imagining the panel), for example a vertical panning shot becomes a long vertical panel, an important shot becomes a large panel, a shot that only lasts for a second becomes a small panel, and overall all the panels are arranged in a way that guides the eye through the page.

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>>7880122
To argue my theory a bit more,
Even before the TV was invented, painting have been largely made in the same aspect ratio, that is, a landscape rectangular box.
It is simply how we see the world. We look side to side more than up and down, we percieve the world around us through a landscape rectangle (or probably more accurately an oval, but that's not practical here).

If they're not imagining their panels as actually anime before drawing it, then they're certainly imagining it as atleast animated, or rather as action happening before their eyes. Manga is very cinematic in this way, I think that is undeniable.

But to argue more also about why you shouldn't just draw your manga as a storyboard,
The way you design your panels controls the way it is read, the timing, the tone, etc.
A large panel is like a camera shot that stays on the screen for longer.
Imagine two panels of a house, like an establishing shot of it... one panel of the house is a large panel taking up half the screen, while the other is a tiny squashed panel. They're both the same image... but how you design the panel affects how the reader reads it. One is an important focus, while the other is just a passing glance.

A panel that is the same shape and size as the previous panel appears to stay in your mind for the same amount of time. It is like a metronome. In a manga this is really undesirable. Your want your manga to be dynamic. Control the timing.

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>>7880134
Here is a good example of how changing the size and shape of your panels controls the timing.

In terms of the drawings, this entire page could be redrawn with the panels all the same size, like a storyboard. But it would be worse off if it did.
First, the establishing shot is small, it's nothing at all like the establishing shot in >>7880134 and the result is that you don't look at it for very long. If it were animated, it'd go by quickly.
The shot of the dude in the second panel is larger than the followup shot in the third panel. This makes you look at it for longer than the third panel. Him looking without speaking is more important than the panel of him speaking.

The next two panels are of a medium size... they stay on the page and pass by at a slowish pace. If it were animated, these shots each might be 2-3 seconds long.
And then finally the last panel is the largest of all. In your mind it stays on screen for a long time. The dramatic lighting coupled with no background also controls the sense of atmsophere, if this were animated, it would probably be a moment where the background noise is drowned out by the silence of the characters thoughts.

If this page were a storyboard, all of these good effects would be lost.

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>>7880139
Here I have attempted to reformat it into a storyboard style. With the exception of the third panel which I think I fumbled, they all fit easily into a storyboard.

However you can clearly see that the original on the left is formatted much more effectively to control the timing.
On my edit... the establishing shot of the building stays on screen for too long, the second panel goes by too quickly. The pacing of the third panel is confused.
And then the final three panels go by like a metronome with no dynamic sense of timing.

The original feels animated, through mere static drawings there is a sense of a director controlling the timing of each shot... whereas in the storyboard version, it feels lifeless.

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>>7880149
One last thing, by making the boxes not rectangles at all, but more dynamic shapes with diagonal lines, this makes the whole page even more dynamic. This level of dynamism is impossible with a storyboard

>>7879924
A proper opening chapter has 30+ pages my guy.
Storyboarding 20 pages, if you actually think about paneling, composition and so on, takes about as long as rendering 1-2 pages (depending on the detail of your artwork), but knowing where to go next will easily recoup that time later in the process.
It will also allow you to draw the chapter 'out of order' and save the pages with elements you find hardest to draw for last and start with the easy ones (or vice versa).
Not to mention, it's immensly valauable to view the timeline of your entire chapter on one page. You'll probably realize that you're reusing certain poses or types of shots too much and make adjustments to create more variety. If you just start drawing without knowing where it will take you, you willl either have to painstakingly re-draw sections or release the chapter in a subpar state relative to what it could have been with negligible additional effort.

Just do your storyboard.
Better yet, post it here when it's finished. It's always fun to see those.

>>7880149
Uh, you know that you can just storyboard the page on the left with the same panel configuration, right? Why would the storyboard have to be a 2 by 3 grid?

>>7880178
You can, yes, but to a beginner that's quite difficult. It may be easier if they break it down into steps.
First designing the content of the panels, and then afterwards designing the panels themselves

>>7880183
Fair enough.
When I first started I was surprised how hard it is to size and place speechbubbles correctly. I do traditional drawings, but I always scan my storyboards just so I can insert some lettering in the correct font.

>>7880149
All of this because... why? Why does he even want to focus on being so limiting to do this at all? Is it because it's overwhelming? Because personal expectations for how to create the layouts is too high? I have to wonder.

I can understand that looking at a traditional page layout and not knowing how to order your own comics is overwhelming. I think we all had to find a way over this hump, I've stubbed my toes on it in at least two separate instances but fixing it always came back down to KISS, "Keep It Simple, Stupid". Even the other pages posted here weren't WOAAAH SO CRAZY or over the top (except Bleach). They are organized to serve the narrative and support the story with the art within them. Readers don't complain about panel layouts being too boring because they don't think about that, only artists do that. If the reader finds the page boring, it's because the execution of events therin aren't encouraging people to keep reading which is a more complicated problem.

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>>7880381
It's because a great many people see panelling not as a window into the story, but as a challenge in abstract art, something to be toyed with, where they believe the best panelling is one that is most extreme.

My view is that you shouldn't notice panelling at all. When panelling is doing its job, you don't see it, you are sucked into the world of the story. And it is generally the case that simpler panelling does that better than something more experimental.

>>7880388
>that page
Jesus fucking christ. I shouldn't as a reader have to fight the page itself with my eyeballs when deciding which panel to switch to next.

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>>7880388
I reckon it's half and half
On the one hand, panels are a method of conveying visual information, and so should be laid out in the way that most effectively conveys the information. Big important panels should be big. Short, quick panels should be small. So on and so on. But they're also part of the artistic medium - we're not making a pamphlet on how to operate heavy machinery here, we're making art.

That means you must sometimes break away from the most efficient ways to do things to make bold, experimental statements that leave an impact on your reader. Just as moments in your story should impact a reader and leave them remembering it once they're done, and just as certain panels should be drawn with extra care or with a bold vision, you should have a few pages that are arranged in a striking way.

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>>7880405
Perhaps it's down to each person's opinion of what the medium should be, but I personally am an extremist in my view that a comic should be immersive in the same way that a movie should be immersive. I cannot think of a situation where a comic is improved by reminding me that it is indeed a comic and not a living breathing story.

To me, playing with the panels in this sort of way is simply novelty.
Whereas to stick with the immersion and tell a story, that approaches a much higher art.

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>>7880406
This is just a difference of philosophical extremes, then. Because I'm of the opinion that everything in art is malleable. Or maybe I'm just too deep into the Shintaro Kago rabbit hole.

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>>7880406
Their's a comic, adapted into a motion comic called 5YL that did the trope breaking the 4th wall with panels/artstyle that felt immserive and not that gay deadpool talks tot he camera shit.

>>7880406
>I personally am an extremist in my view that a comic should be immersive in the same way that a movie should be immersive. I cannot think of a situation where a comic is improved by reminding me that it is indeed a comic and not a living breathing story.
You get me, anon. I don't care if the paneling from page 1 til the end is just a series of rectangular boxes of varying sizes as needed. I don't want to consciously think about the paneling. If I have to do it and there isn't a goddamn REALLY good reason for it, then I am slightly annoyed. Stuff like >>7880406 and >>7880412 make me want to tear my hair out.

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>>7880450
When I read manga... every manga I read is an immersive world. Whether it be My Hero Academia, or Inuyasha, or Fullmetal Alchemist, or Saint Seiya, etc. that's just my taste, maybe you like something like Ruri Rocks or Steins;Gate, whatever. They're all fun and exciting stories. You're taken into a fictional world, with characters that feel alive. You become emotionally attached to their world and their story. They all feel alive.

To create a world that feels alive. To me that is surely the highest form of art.
But to settle for just playing around with panelling? Some LSD inspired thing that nobody understands?
If here in the west we had a whole industry of immersive stories like they do in Japan, I'd have no problem with the odd acid trip comic here and there. But we don't. Whenever I look for indie comics, all I see is this kind of stuff.
It's like looking for a place to eat and everywhere you go is an experimental gorumet restaurant. That's great, but I just want something to eat.
We've got the avant garde but we don't have the conventional.

Whenever I see a weird experimental artsy comic, all I see is someone with artistic talent who chose to waste it on novelty rather than creating something actually worthwhile.

>>7880388
I actually like this though, but I think it works better in moderation. DC is always trying something neat with panels and sometimes it works, other times it makes me think they wouldn't have to rely on gimmicks if the story was better.

>>7880122
>>7880134
>>7880139
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>>7880151
Comprehensive effort post, A+.

>>7880381
>Why does he even want to focus on being so limiting
Why limit yourself to manga?

>>7880517
Yeah, it's good shit

>>7880495
>You become emotionally attached to their world and their story. They all feel alive. To create a world that feels alive. To me that is surely the highest form of art.
That's kind of cringe though, isn't it? The point of media is to educate people or waste their time and make money doing it, getting them attached to characters so they'll buy merch. Also if a fictional story doesn't take a moment to remind you that it's fictional, I as a writer can't feel smart and superior which is why I write my characters looking at the viewer sometimes to say "gee, this sure is a manga, isn't it?" And let's not forget that every good story needs product placement and references to popular IPs so the reader knows its all a part of the slop shared universe where every piece of entertainment is connected.

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>>7880506
It's neat right? It's a big splash page in the shape of the Superman logo

...but what if it was just normal?
Be the judge yourself. I personally think drawing it normally like this, it's more immersive. I didn't even bother to read what was going on in the original, it was too overwhelming, but when presented like this, it's easy to digest.

>>7880495
>>7880450
Fuck me man, thirded

This kind of thing makes me wanna blow my head smoove off. It's one thing to have a reference off hand as a treat or a wink and a nod, but it's another to do it over, and over, and over- specifically when there are no useful ties to the plot. I say this because when it's intentional you get something like say, Steve Lichman, which is one of my favorite comics ever- but everything referenced is baked into the story and follows it's own rules. Dragon's Dogma is a story built on a fantasy world being contained in a video game! This fact did not make the experience worse, because they knew how to make it work within the context of that game. Shoving 15 thousand anime and video game references in my face where the sole revelance is ITS THE THING is painful!!!

I'd say this is largely an indie problem, it isn't, but indie authors naturally lack the kind of guidance that would steer them from careening violently off the referential "meta contextual humor" cliff. And by guidance I mean they need to get they monkey ass beat.

>>7880567
Kek you're having fun editing these, huh? You're really good at it though. Anyway this looks alright but for at least this one specifically, I do prefer the original version. It's not a defense of all gimmick panel pages, but realizing he was holding up all the panels in the giant hope symbol was a neat feeling at the end. You could say this is part of the issue with (at least modern) amerilard capeshit, but I have a different mindset when I read these than when I read manga or most other stuff. During any big moments in an arc, it's in the back of my head (either because of the story or general meta knowledge) that this probably isn't one of the IP's defining moments, also a lot of them might have decent build up for what they are but it isn't the same as like going from the start of the Namek Saga to the end of the Freeza battle, it's maybe 4 or 8 issues of a one-off story that might be referenced down the line or maybe not and it's just having its moment here which is probably the only place it will matter either because of writer changes or crossover event shakeups, so I just enjoy it for what it is and move on unless there is something particularly extraordinary about it which isn't too often. In fact the most I can really hope for in capes is for a run to at least be consistently entertaining, it's a low bar and few clear it. I mostly just like the Flash both because either one of them appeals to me and because the dud stories are few and far between. I like Superman too but his runs are on and off imo so I don't follow most of his stories.

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>>7880580
I personally think it's worse if it's an important moment.
Because these kinds of panel designs are inherently distracting. They're so bold and eye-catching that you can't help but stop reading and look at the panelling itself.
Immersion is forcefully taken away at a moment in the story where immersion is most important.

Pic related is the precise moment Superman dies in Death of Superman '92
When you see this page... instead of being immersed in the story, shocked to see that Superman has died... in this precise moment, you are taken out of the action and forced to think "oh hey they drew it inside the reflection of hte camera, how creative- oh yeah Superman died also"
It's like listening to the big climax of a long song.... and you hear a distracting sound from outside, completely ruining it.

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Now I know I'm ranting a bit but I want to try to make the argument that actually these kinds of experimental panels aren't even skilled at all.
This is an overlook of an issue of Absolute Wonderwoman. Pay attention to page 4, the big artistic panelling page. It's really creative right? Surely an artist to have made this must be a master of panelling?
...and yet, the rest of the issue consists almost entirely of boring wide screen storyboard esque panels. No master of panelling would ever do such a thing. It cannot be a stylistic choice either, because they don't do it fully consistantly.
Frankly it strikes me as amateurish panelling.

If the artist understood the effect that panelling has on things like the timing, tone, etc. They would never opt for such a boring panel layout, many of which are really unsuited to the content of their page.

And so coming back to the fancy page #4... I think it's unreadable. The artist has broken the rules before they even knew them. This isn't a flex from an artist who is a master of panelling, this is the comic equivelant of the world's fastest violin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_tQk25pR60
It feigns mastery through boldness, but truly skilled panelling is subtle.

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>>7880589
the same page abstracted to show just the panelling

>>7880587
Not in defense of it, but it's a perfect encapsulation of that story from what I remember. I enjoyed it enough as a kid but rereading the special a few years ago, the arc was more about the fact that it was happening/going to happen and everyone else's reactions during the event, so that pic about sums it up. It's not about Superman, it was about the fact that he dies. That animated movie from 2018 or whatever did it way better.

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>>7880589
If those are like memories or something or are relevant to the thing in the middle of the circle then I could see it having some sense of potential narrative purpose, but it's true that they don't do too much with the rest of the panels besides use them for their basic purpose. Now show us on the manga where DC comics hurt you.

>>7880589
when I was getting into making comics I read some beginner books (how to draw the marvel way, etc) and there's actually nothing covering paneling. this sounds weird but in the guides western pros have they ussualy start at figure drawing, then constructing anatomy, clothing and objects, perspective, and maybe composition. Framed Ink is a really popular book and pretty much sticks with the cinematic landscape . I don't think these guys are choosing the long horizontal panel thinking it will be great, they just accept it as the default and never question why. so then you get the odd artist who comes along wanting to change this but not knowing how so they default into playing with graphic shapes.

>>7880666
I think maybe western companies like marvel thought paneling was just the wrapping or scaffolding and not part of the experience, so they kept it as basic as possible. So paneling would be lumped in with prep and mechanical set up like getting your pencils ready, choosing the right paper, etc.

>>7880528
A choice of narrative style is not the same as limiting your direct approach. I can choose to do make a european styled comic, or 4 komas, or a scrolling webtoon, but those choices are a matter of taste and vision. That's not even to speak ill of limitations in general because that's the sort of thing that can help you grow as an artist... That being said, the style is not at fault. You can build a comic that way the same way you can build it >>7880139 this way or >>7880405 this way. The issue at stake seems to be in assuming he doesn't have much experience, and so is seeking some work around to avoid what be perceives as too hard to do right now.

If he (or anyone) can answer questions like "Why am I choosing this route" or "Is this right for me?" honestly then choosing one way or the other is not up to anyone to debate and at that point it's just a matter of commitment. As a first timer though what doing this might lead to is a lot more hardship in a hobby that is REALLY unforgiving, and where the rewards are usually not tangible.

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>>7880696
ah this brings memories

>>7880589
most of these panels are just landscapes, randomly resized to probably look less boring. It looks even more cinematic than anything. There is little cohesiveness between characters and their panels

>>7880698
Well part of it is big 2 aren't about art most of the time, at least not beyond what the artist puts into the panels. I'm not saying a writer can't understand this sort of thing but I imagine part of the issue is that the stories are penned by writers who might not know much beyond "put words, describe scene" which is why DC stories (I don't read Marvel) are like a sequence of events without much visually connective tissue, like the other anon pointed out. The artist has to think of a way to make it look interesting (and make their portfolio look good) so we get stuff like that WW comic. There's not much of a personal element to these since production is a conveyor belt I think, unless a writer and artist happen to get along or something. We could go on and on about the problems of the US comics industry but that's not what we're here for[spoiler], we're here to talk about jacking off and the consequences of chronic gooning.[/spoiler]

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Hey does anyone know a comic hack that makes it clear youre supposed to focus on two line of events at the same time? Here the characters are having a separate convo, but I cant seem to find a way to make that graphically clear.

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>>7880589
My big issue with Comics is that I dont like how they do the speech bubbles and the pacing at all. The last page of the third row ilustrates that well. It doesnt matter how good the art is, the artist doing an extra page to make the reading flow better or to focus in their expression is much better than an entire dialogue sequence in just one panel. The aesthetic of a comic is the whole thing: Good art, paneling, pacing, speech flow, narrative... and all that to assemble one chapter.

Old comics used to be better about this problem but modern ones I can only remember the first edition of gwenpole being good. The boyz was probably the worst comic with this problem I have ever read.

>>7880747
The thing about this is as a reader i'm only focusing on one set of characters at a time anyway. With that in mind, you don't have to think about it as me needing to read both at once if I already understand all four are existing in the same space. Just focus on one set of characters then move to the other.

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>>7880412
Shintaro is one of my personal favs.

>>7880406
I think both have their place, but I really do enjoy manga that push the boundaries of manga in unconventional ways. Also, 4th wall visual gags are often great in comedy series.

>>7880666
hello this is because comic artists are not who panels the comic thanks for listening
in the western system the roles are very heavily split up. writer writes the script. storyboard artist/penciller panels the comic and does the sketches. inker inks those sketches. colorist colors those inks. letter letters the result. overlap is forbidden.

>>7880590
wow now it looks really horrible.
the high gloss artwork obscures the bad paneling, but you're completely right.

>>7880747
You would probably have to give the two parallel conversations their own unique border. Nothing too crazy but something that makes one obvious clear group versus the other.
Ive only ever seen one clear example, and it was with this comic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HbeGRfwq9Ls
You see there are three stories going on, but each have a unique style and a unique way of dealing with the comic panel borders so their are clear groups.
Also something that this video brings up is planning the events so the panels are horizontal. Like one convo could be on the top and the other could be on the bottom half of the page, and have both continue on horizontally until both segments end and we get back to a regular format.

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>>7880747
These two examples are how I personally would do it.

>>7880767
Yeah, I thought about moving the right side convo one page over and like you said set it in the same time frame. But I really want it to feel like the reader is right in the midst of the group, that way it imitates the feeling of when you just finished talking to someone then you move over to see what your other friends said.

>>7880793
Will try.

>>7880795
I like left side more, right is just to chaotic.

>>7880781
>this is because comic artists are not who panels the comic
You immediately contradict yourself.
>storyboard artist/penciller panels the comic and does the sketches

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>have to draw
Why didn't anyone warn me about this part

>>7880858
Just write and hire someone to draw for you.

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>>7880748
>entire dialogue sequence in just one panel
In addition to just being tedious to read, it's also at odds with the sense of timing in the comic, it breaks the animation and therefore also breaks the immersion.

Look at this Spider-man page and consider how long it would take someone to crash through a window... and couple that with how long it would take to dish out that one-liner (more like ten-liner).
These two things should not be different.

Words said in the speech bubble should be words that are believable to have been said in the time frame of the drawing they're attached to. If they go on too long, it grinds the action to a halt.
The only words Spider-man should have said in this entire page should have been
>"Luck you call it!?"
And then the rest of the speech should have been delivered over the course of like four panels with the two of them fighting.

>>7880918
Comic books have always been more of descendant of illustrated novels rather than frame-by-frame mimicry of film like manga developed into. Two different philosophies as to what the pictures were supposed to do.

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I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS THINKING
LEAVING THE DEPTH BEHIND
NOW I SUFFER THE CURSE, AND MY WRITING SUCKS
WITH ALL THOSE ASSPULLS, PLOTHOLES, AND BLANK PAGES
STAINING MY WORK FOREVER
I CAN'T WAIT FOR NEXT CHAPTER AT THE END OF THE HIATUS

IS THIS POTENTIAL I AM SEEKING OR SEEKING A NEW EDITOR TO AVENGE ME?
STUCK IN THIS ROUGH DEADLINE, I WANNA SET MYSELF FREE
MAYBE I SHOULD STOP NOW AND PLAN AN ENDING BEFORE THEY'LL TRY TO MILK IT
IT WON'T BE LONG BEFORE IT WILL BECOME SLOPPY

IT'S BEEN SO LONG
SINCE I LAST HAVE SEEN MY WIFE LOST TO THIS DEADLINE
TO THE MAGAZINE BEHIND THE SLAUGHTER
SINCE MY MIND IS GONE
I'VE BEEN WRITING THIS STUPID MANGA SO I COULD PONDER
THE SANITY OF AN AVERAGE WEEKLY MANGAKA

>>7880918
>Look at this Spider-man page and consider how long it would take someone to crash through a window... and couple that with how long it would take to dish out that one-liner (more like ten-liner).
>not able to talk super fast
>not flexing on the smarter villains by talking at speeds even they struggle to keep up with
o i am laffin, anon, i am laffin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FPsEwWT6K0

>>7880918
This is also something I never liked about capeshit and no, there is no reasonable defense for it. You might be able to try if the dialogue was actually good but it just isn't, so you now have too much speech in a moment that only needs one line at best. It's writers huffing their own farts and having no sense of visual pacing.

>>7880993
If it's a different philosophy, then it's one that ought to be promptly abandoned. It's clear that nobody likes it.

Panels of characters thinking with no dialogue bubbles or panels of characters thinking with a (...) dialogue bubble?

hot take, people who can only "write" actually can't do anything at all. But all artists can write something that matches their art.

>>7881328
It worked great for like 80 fucking years. Captain Marvel was doing One Piece numbers by itself.

>>7881398
it wasn't really an open industry, you couldnt just make a comic and sell it. The big companies made sure the concept of comics was synonymous with their slop. If black people were allowed to make comics, it would have been like what happened to music during that time.

>>7881399
A big part of that was due to the comics code. It really kind of shaped what comics would be throughout the 60s, 70s, and 80s, which is why Superhero comics from Marvel and DC were what floated to the top. There were probably dozens of underground comic printing companies during that era, its just that without support from the main publishers, their reach wasn't as far. The comic code wasn't even like an actual law or anything, you just couldn't be carried by the big two.

I think that after decades of superheros, American comics just kind of defaulted to that. But even today, many of the smaller companies are doing way more than just superheros.

>>7881401
Nta but part of it is that capeshit can be any genre but with recognizable heroes thrown in. Slice of life, mystery, action, high concept scifi, old west, fantasy, isekai, mecha, anything, it's an adaptable genre so I guess that helped it stay relevant.

>>7881397
There are writers that really do understand comics out there, they just aren't always the ones we get in comics since in the big 2 you kind have to be "in" with certain crowds to make it if you're not already popular.

>>7881398
The theatre was a great thing for over 2000 years. But now compared to movies, the theatre is stiff and uninteresting.

>>7878454
>Horniness got nothin to do with it for me.
So why draw porn then?
I thought there are only 2 reasons why people produce porn:
1. They like porn and want to make their own jack off materials.
2. They have no better option.
Which are you?

>>7881455
Not him but I draw it sometimes because I just think it looks nice.

>>7881455
This was a relatively easy way to get published in a commercial magazine where I can get paid to make comics.
None of the people I've been watching over the years trying to get published in general audience magazines have managed to land a serialization yet, and they're all more skilled than I am. I tried a different approach and it might work out... it remains to be seen if I'll turn out successful.

While it's not like I hadn't made porn before, it's always just because among my story ideas, some of those involve the characters fucking. Not because I'm just so horny I can only draw porn, or because I'm particularly good at it.
Some comments I've gotten lead me to think my porn might not be horny enough. I don't put much stock in stray remarks like that though.

Everyone who likes making art of humans should make porn at least once.

What's your panel limit? I just do whatever I want and recently did a draft with 12 panels.

>>7881434
you would be right in the 90s but blockbuster movies today barely have any acting. they optimized the art out of movies.

>>7881397
Maybe in context with comics and i'd group letterers as people who seem to have an inflated sense of self worth even though they just fill text all day. As a general sentiment though I find it silly. Beautiful prose is like drawing with words but it's much harder because there's no real instruction or guidance on how to do it. In a way i'd almost consider it one of the purest forms of art.

>>7881489
up to 8 if some are just for emotion, otherwise they become too small for anything needed.

>>7881519
Yeah that's why books are still the best, only medium that can really put you in the mind of a character and stretch the most out of a scene without it feeling like too much.

The big difference between capeshit and manga is that capeshit depicts the idea of something cool happening while manga just shows something cool happening.

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>>7881489
>What's your panel limit?
9.

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What is this tool? The default magic wand on CSP doesn't have the color and the selection isn't as perfect.

>>7881698
That's the "shade the rest of the damn owl" tool iirc

>>7881398
yea bro lets abandon gayass guns and shit and go back to swords and spears. they worked great for like thousands of fucking years.

>>7881751
Unironically yes. The world was a lot better before wars could obliterate entire civilizations at the push of a button and single nations could hold a planet hostage with the threat of nukes.

>>7881775
What is the manga equivalent of nuclear war?

>>7881779
Loli

>>7881779
power levels

>>7881779
Timeskip
Reliably kills any manga permanently.

>>7881779
Straying away from the protagonists to show boring characters.

>>7881135
PYW faggot or you're larping

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>Decide to throw in a catgirl in your story to spice it up
>Become a furry

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>>7882001
How far is she on the scale?

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man FUCK diagonal panels how do they work... placeholder text

>>7882003
This scale seems a bit of stretch... But I guess it's a 2.

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>>7882004
They are usually used when actions between panels happen at the same time, plus you should do the face in the larger part of the panel and then the text on the other part

>>7882004
I usually don't pull them out aside from action scenes, you have to have a good feel for when you think it'd work best and if it fits the composition of the contents inside it as well as how it reads on the page in relation to everything else.

>>7882001
Catgirls are such a classic that they're practically exempt from making you a furry.

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>>7882062
>>7882001
No dude its ok, its HMOAF (human male on anthro female), thats alot different.

My comics gonna have a white human male x 9 foot tall Tsundere horse girl, but its ok its not furry its hmoaf

>>7879168
My stack is a bit different;
Citrulline malate 6000 mg
L-arginine 1000g
Vitamin D 1000 iu (general health)
Maca 1500mg - reduce if sleep disturbance.
Damiana 2tbsp tea - cold brew for 20 minutes at room temp
Beet root juice powder: 2.5g (for NO absorption)
Zinc picolinate: 15mg
magnesium bisglycinate 100mg

Noticeable increase in precum, cum shoots farther, easier/quicker time getting hard, and slight increase in ball size. They don't hang lower they just feel more full. As a bonus my plantar fasciitis hasn't been acting up nearly as much or at all and I'm getting better sleep throughout the night.

>>7881715
?

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Alone on v-day? That just means more time to draw your comic right. This definitely isn't cope. Also looking for feedback on any of my comics, I'll be finishing Ch5 of hefferchu today
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams

>>7882104
Haha, I sure love being reminded I'm forever alone while women my age are in their golden years of sluthood...

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>>7878259
>or why a lot of them go mainstream after a little while
Get a feeling so complicated on this case.
On one side, you have guy like Gamon Sakurai who went from making loli porn to make motherfucking Ajin.
Whilst the rest go legit to do…
…softcore porn?
Like toned down version of what they usually do in their porn work?
What's the point then?
It's like booking a prostitute just to have a leisure chat with them. I know this kind of linework exists in Japan, but still what the fuck.

>>7882128
I imagine in most cases, they move on to projects with much broader appeal. Sure, you've probably made a name for yourself and gotten a small following, but now that people know you and you've "proven" yourself to a degree, that probably opens yourself to a lot more larger projects.

>>7882128
Anything that becomes popular loses its edge.

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Dumping a 4 page comic I made to see if I can get any crit.

I’d do it on /co/ but it’s a blue board

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>>7882191
Badump tsss

The end.

>>7882192
It was cute. Parodies that retro speech/presentation style without coming across as pretentious or overly self indulgent. Always like seeing b&w style, good use of it.

>>7882194
Thank you, I appreciate that anon. I don’t normally work with the heavy blacks so it was a challenge for myself to work on a weakness.

>>7882189
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>>7882192
Kek really good. I liked the contrast of her being pulp pop comic chick and he an hanna barbera guy

>>7882227
I actually debated doing the eye’s stretching out of the sockets with the googly moogly panel like in the old tex Avery shorts or ren and stimpy but couldn’t get it to look right with the composition.

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>>7881489
I once managed to get 18 on a square page. I was pumped. Not my best comic but it was a page-a-day project I worked on to force myself into a routine.

>>7882231
Was pretty neat once I understood what was happening

>>7882116
Women can leave and hurt you. Manga will never betray you.

>>7882241
>reading my comfort manga, the Gad Guard anime
>all of a sudden it becomes complete garbage as it tries and fails to properly deconstruct the genre
Nowhere is safe, not even manga...

>>7882245
That's why you need to make the manga that will never fail you.

>>7882209
Good mindset to have, godspeed.

>>7882277
>intrusive thoughts be like

>>7882247
I'm not worthy of my dream manga...

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got stuck for hours on the big left panel. sucked. still not really what i wanted.

>>7882240
Yeah I think I should have made the arrows a bit more prominent, or add a “read this way text” to facilitate.

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>>7882116
You can also be in your golden age of sluthood
I do it

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It's such a relief to know real mangaka also suffer from creating things from scratch.

>>7882456
>not drawing gun models from memory

more like its a relief japs are just as inept as you

>>7882456
Everyone struggles. there will always be something new to learn or something you realize you didn't know or haven't done, so it's struggles the whole way up unless you're a real old fart pro. Everyone's human so they have physical limits too. This kind of thing is ignored by consumers and artists who haven't stopped being consumers.