>>7885023
Some western / indie publishers of Manga:

Saturday AM ( https://www.saturday-am.com/ )
> Digital indie magazine, seems to be on the up-and-up
> Open submissions for long-form series; also distributes series currently being published elsewhere.
> Regularly publishes one-shots, making it a good potential outlet for already-finished work.

Oni Press ( https://onipress.com/ )
> Technically indie, but at this point large enough by comic standards to be mentioned in the same breath as other publishers.

Antarctic Press ( https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/ )
> Longtime large-indie publisher of OEL / manga-esque books.
> Seemingly taking submissions at present if https://antarctic-press.myshopify.com/pages/submissions is anything to go on.

Yen Press ( https://yenpress.com/ )
> Started out as a small indie publisher of original / Korean material, and has grown reasonably popular since.
> As of 2016, it is also one of the western arms of the Kadokawa Corporation, with Kadokawa owning a 51% stake.
> Editorial inquiries can apparently be sent to yenpress@yenpress.com, however, they apparently are not open to new submissions at this time.

Viz Media / Viz Originals ( https://www.viz.com/originals )
> *The* western manga publisher.
> Currently in the exploratory stages of setting up an English label.
> Submissions are open and several books have been announced. However, progress on the label seems to be moving very slowly.
> Still might be worth a shot anyway.

Shrine Comics ( https://shrinecomics.com/ )
> Small indie manga publisher
> Seemingly attempting to make the transition to physical volumes
> Allows crossposting to other sites

Iconic Comics (https://www.iconiccomics.com/)
>A bit like Oni Press and Antarctic Press
>A small publisher with a focus on indie works with manga inspiration

>>7885024
Other open comic publishers:

Dark Horse ( https://www.darkhorse.com )
>Dark Horse still welcomes your submissions, and all submissions will still be reviewed, just as they always have been.
>All unsolicited story/series proposals must have a full creative team on board. Writer-only proposals will not be reviewed.

Image comics ( https://imagecomics.com/ )
>Image Comics only publishes creator-owned material. They do not contract creators; they’re only interested in publishing original content for which you would retain all rights.
>Image Comics publishes creator-owned/creator-generated properties and THEY DON’T PAY PAGE RATES. Image takes a small flat fee off the books published, and it will be the responsibility of the creators to determine the division of the remaining pay between their creative team members.

Drawn and quarterly ( https://drawnandquarterly.com/ )
>Please email a low resolution PDF with at least 20 pages of comics and cover letter to submissions. Do not send dropbox links, scripts, or proposals. Please read our submissions FAQ.

Fantagraphics ( https://www.fantagraphics.com/ )
>submission page: https://www.fantagraphics.com/pages/faq

Top Shelf Productions ( https://www.topshelfcomix.com/ )
>Regarding submissions, we're easy. Just email us a download link of what you'd like us to review. NOTE: We cannot accept cover letters, plot synopses, or scripts unless they are accompanied by a minimum of 10-20 completed pages (i.e., fully inked and lettered comic book pages).

Additional publisher lists:
> https://jasonthibault.com/definitive-list-comic-publisher-submission-guidelines/
> https://writingtipsoasis.com/best-independent-comic-book-publishers/

>>7885026
/mmg/'s very own anon-led anthology: /ic/onography
https://discord.gg/QYnFBves7V
https://forms.gle/d3a2Cwwd44sJYyqv9
(Anthology project is defunct but the discord is alive)

Additional community added Resources:
Mangafonts: https://mangafonts.carrd.co/
Hiro Mashima YT: https://www.youtube.com/@mashimaCh/videos
Ganmo, a job listing board for manga assistant work: https://ganmo.j-comi.co.jp/posts

How (You) can help /mmg/:

> Know about a contest or a publishing opportunity? TAG THE OP and post a link.
> Have a new resource? TAG THE OP and link / mention it for inclusion.
> Don't be a crab
> Have a link / DL for a mentioned resource? TAG THE OP and mention what you're supplying a link for.
> SCREENSHOT / PASTEBIN effort posts that help you for posterity.

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Do this for your manga

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WHAT DO YOU MEAN I HAVE TO DRAW THE WHOLE THING??!?

>>7885023
I wish i was a genius like Usamaru Furuya. But im just an above average intelligence guy with great taste. Too smart to be happy and too dumb to create something marketable. Right in the valley of doom.

>>7885034
New business idea, we only do the rough sketches and let the reader do the inking, like a model kit.

>>7885035
>Boo hoo, I'm too smart but not smart enough!
Then learn, dummy.
Smart people can do that.

>>7885033
My premise is "hot girl gets banged"
Thats always interesting

>>7885037
I did learn a lot, but im already in my 40s now and running out of time, patience, hope and motivation. Its hard just to sit down and concentrate for 1 hour for me nowadays. If you are hopeless anyway then you just have no motivation. And is a honby which takes a shitton of time, willpower and patience. Im just a mental wreckage, not a genius like the pro mangakas. I have no clue how they cam be so productive. Life is just way too hard

>>7885042
All I can say is to start small and work up, friend. You've lived forty, but that means you've got another forty to go.
And maybe lay off the drink.

>>7885023
Next time anon, just be sure to remember the thread title. Thanks for making the thread anyway though.

>>7885050
I knew I forgot something
AIEEEEE

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To create a movie, you must hire actors, and construct expensive movie sets.
To create a videogame you must hire programmers, 3d modellers, and audio engineers.
But to create a comic, all that is required is a pen and paper. All by himself, one man in his bedroom can create an entire cinematic experience, that can be enjoyed by millions.
It is this ratio of effort-investment to entertainment-value-generation that makes comics the most powerful medium ever placed in the hands of artists.

In Japan, an artist may submit a one-shot comic, a manga, to any number of open competitions, and have the opportunity to become the next Dragonball, or the next One Piece.
But today here in the west, comics artists live in a desert of opportunity. There are no comparable competitions, no avenues to serialisation. If an artist wishes to succeed in comics, he must advertise it himself, print it himself, and distribute it himself.
It is a tragedy that an artist may produce the equivelant of the entirety of Dragonball, but be denied any support from publishers.

>>7885054
Completely opposite paradigms of business
American publishers want the fame and ownership, and will burn their own money to the ground to keep stinky amateurs out

Japanese publishers just want the money, and will ride the coattails of anyone with an idea that sells

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>>7885054
There is today, effectively no industry for comics in the west.
What publishers that do exist produce nothing but pre-existing IPs and turn away any artists with new ideas.
And that is the least of the problems surrounding those companies, of which are well known and do not need to be said again.

Comics as a medium in Japan, called manga, but semantics aside are the same medium, represents a billion dollar industry, that supports tens of thousands of artists to bring their visions to life and share them with the world.
I dream of a world where we here in the west can enjoy this same success, with our own artists, and our own audiences, and I believe it can be done. But it will not come from the existing paradigms as >>7885061 rightly points out.

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>>7885034
Just get some assistants

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>>7885036
:(

>>7885066
>just draw the rest of the mushroom cloud

>>7885042
It's not age, you sound like you're reaching for excuses. Just draw.

>>7885066
Yet Murata gets all the credit

>>7885072
I have depression. Sure many people can work great in their 40s but not if you have depression. I can hardly wake up at morning wothout getting into aggressive delirium. I have PTSD and shit. Just no focus and motivation.

>>7885081
As shitty as it sounds, when it comes to art it really is a bootstraps situation. The only thing that finally got me to take art seriously is I asked myself if I could live without drawing and since the answer was 'no', I had to do it. You seem to be worried about gains and marketability, you'll probably stay miserable if you only focus on that instead of simply doing it for fun and meaning. You're basically wearing glasses with "everything you do is wrong" written on the inside so you always have to see that no matter what you look at.

>>7885081
>I have PTSD
From which war? You can get help from the VA for this in the US

>>7885085
The war of getting genocided in Germany. The Sharia comes any moment here

>>7885086
>The war of getting genocided in Germany
Dog that was 80 years ago, how are you only 40?

>>7885085
Nta but...The War Within.

>>7885087
Ww2 factually never ended. The genocide is still in program. When i went to school there were 50 percent foreigners. Nowadays its even worse. Its genocide.

>>7885090
It's not genocide because humans are one species.

>>7885102
Blue birds hang out with blue birds and disöike the yellow birds. Humans are the same, unless you are brainwashed into thinking some random foreigner gives a shit about you and your country

>>7885090
>because humans are one species

factually wrong

>>7885109
Birds are not human, they are a fan-made spinoff of dinosaurs that were eventually made canon.

>had a decently successful /mmg/ last thread
>now this thread where we don't talk about making our comics
Well, I guess some threads have to be nerfed to keep balance.

>>7885125
humans are animals retard

>>7885126
bro we just started

>>7885129
>all animals are exactly the same
I'm feeling like I'm not the retard here.

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Humans are intelligent in a way no other animal is, and that's always an X-factor when it comes to falsely comparing human behaviour to animal behaviour - it's not like crows are out there building nuclear reactors. Not yet. The sneaky bastards.

Ultimately, it's helpful if people believe that other people help them. It doesn't matter whether it's true or not - the truth is a tool to be used to make the world a better place.

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>araki said this looked like it was drawn by a child

>>7885173
artist is critical of his own work, stop the press

>>7885181
Piblishers also told him the art was poor.

>>7885183
i will now launch myself off a bridge, thanks

>>7885167
Humans are intelligent, yet they take drugs and commit genocides on mass scale. Human society is also full of brainwash exactly because they are so "intelligent". Thats why retards believe Motimbo from Uganda is just like you

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>>7885183
>>7885173
Not sure I'd say "by a child" but yeah, it's definitely rough. There's obviously technical competence here, but it doesn't all come together. Look at the top left panel - that expression is really awkward, the jaw looks broken, the chin is huge compared to the rest of the depictions of the character on page. Look at the four lines on the panel to the left below that; what are they there for? They're not showing motion or a transition, they're just kind of busy.

The most obvious thing is the perspective on the two panels in the middle - the one of the guy reaching towards the chips is warped and not in an appealing way like the fairly impressive four point perspective shot beneath. Look at the composition of the largest panel. It's totally fucked and unnatural so that Araki can show the cards in hand - you can't actually SEE the cards very clearly because they're inky and blotty, and his arm looks pretty broken in order to have the image of the guy sitting across from him being situated above the cards. People don't sit like this.

A more experienced artist would have the camera looking down at the table, angled over the shoulder so you could see both the far character's face, and the cards in hand, as well as a dramatic shot of the hatted guy looking up with anguish. It's just not well put together, and shows obvious inexperience.

I'm not making this post to go "ha ha actually Araki's a pretty shit artist when you think about it, I'm totally better" I'm not, I'm just trying to give the perspective of his editors at the time, who necessarily read a LOT of manga.

But don't forget - bad art absolutely can get published as long as you have compelling characters.

>just want to write story, story, story
>need to dedicate occasional big panels to visual spectacle
Such a waste of space, screw this shit medium

>>7885194
WRITE A BOOK
Or a visual novel if you're looking to go to the same place Will Eisner did

>>7885173
You telling me you guys can't do way better than this?

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>>7885195
>just want to write story, story, story
>need to dedicate occasional long stretches of text to visual spectacle
>or large drawings of some shit happening and pan around the image a bit
It's too much...I'll just stick to what I'm doing and bitch about it the whole time like usual. Also I've noticed you guys still won't give up your secrets on how to make my manga draw itself or how to draw two things at once when I'm in the mood to draw manga and some other art on the side or how to magically become better at art without having to grind drawing the entire time. Kind of selfish of you all, just saying.

>>7885204
Just wait for AI to improve. The only thing stopping more people from using AI is our computers are shit and we don't know how to use custom models. The people that can, are already abusing it. I bet if you look through the major comic contests this year you will find more and more traced/photobashed AI comics.

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>>7885194
This is the same flawed mindset that led to the creation of this

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>>7885207

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If I could finish at least finish and release the first arc of my story I'd die a happy man. Please God, don't kill me until then.

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>>7885199
I've been drawing on and off for six years now and if I attempted to make a page it would literally look like this.

>>7885210
>posts a page from one of the most popular manga of the past decade
That's pretty good anon

How many of you guys have japanese fans?

>>7885211
It wouldn't be that popular without the manga.

>>7885213
Got popular enough to GET the manga, didn't it?
You'll be alright.

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>>7885081
I'm not sure about the PTSD thing, but if you do have actual clinical depression, you might want to give St. John's Wort a whirl. It's effective at treating mild to moderate depression, no good if it's really severe though. I can testify that it works on my bipolar depression, at any rate. Coming down off of it sucks a bit but its not so bad so long as you titrate down. And keep in mind the 24-48 hour half life.
>>7885102
"Genocide" refers to the destruction or erasure of an ethnic group, through killing or dispersal. What you're referring to, the wholesale destruction of an actual species, is speciecide. You do know that, right?

>>7885214
I appreciate the encouragement. Still, OPM is just an odd case. I can't say how popular it was, but I do know murata decided he wanted to draw it when he was dying in a hospital bed. ONE was ready to give up on manga entirely before Murata contacted him.

>>7885209
If you want to make God laugh, tell him your plans.

>>7885212
I do. But that's because it's published in japanese in a japanese magazine.

>>7885221
>I can't say how popular it was
It was reasonably popular on the relatively small site he was posting it on.
>ONE was ready to give up on manga entirely
Don't think that means much, considering he was starting a serialization in a web magazine with Mob Psycho at the time. "Maybe I should drop this goofy for-fun comic and focus on my professional debut work" is a reasonable line of thought even if OPM was quite popular.

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>>7885221
Well this place is full of people who are ready to give up on Manga entirely, so obviously we just need to hospitalize more mangaka.

>>7885206
I can't use AI because then you guys will make fun of me...
>>7885207
>>7885208
That one's cake-and-eat-it. They want to just do story but also be spectacle, only without understanding that the latter needs connective tissue to make it satisfying beyond just "ooh pretty picture." That was the problem I ran into today, want to get on with the end of this story so I can do the more episodic stuff I'm looking forward to but the scene I'm doing required a character transforming and I realized I had to dedicate several panels to making it look cool and showcase the full process of the transformation so it's easy for a potential reader to follow what is happening without it just being "boom, they are transformed" in like two panels. This is after last issue where I had to do an entire page for the build up of a character's finishing move and that was after condensing as much of that process as I reasonably could. Drawing my own story is giving me appreciation for why a lot of manga seem to move so much quicker than their anime counterparts.

>>7885226(me)
Wait, I misread.
Why would he be "ready to give up on manga"? He was just starting Mob Psycho at the time. Starting a serialization with a publisher for the first time hardly sounds like the actions of somebody ready to give up on manga.

>>7885227
>Professor Zoom on his mission to make mangaka suffer so they'll appreciate their craft more
He killed billions to save millions

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Is fanservice-y female character design a net negative?
Does seeing sexy scantily clad girls make you go:
"Shit, now I can't watch this with my family and friends. Shit anime."
"Ah, these authors have no confidence in his writing so they have to add fanservices, shit manga."
People across the internet from millennials to gen alpha keep seething "fanservice = bad", "sexualized girl = bad", but how many of them really actually dropped or won't ever touch a work just solely because it contains fanservices?
It's not just a western's phenomenon, this happens too in asia.

>>7885236
It depends on how far the design goes and how good the story is to make up for it. I won't drop it, but it will impact whether I decide to recommend it or watch it with others. That pic's not too bad imo, if the story was decent I could rec it no problem.

>>7885228
Comics are such demanding work. You should just more or less get on board with everything involved with making them, whether it's the panelling or the backgrounds or dialogue. If there's even a single aspect you don't like, you'll burn out after being forced to do it for more than 20 pages.

>>7885229
Maybe I am misremembering. I heard all this stuff from youtube videos awhile back. It might've just been OPM as you thought.

>>7885236
It really depends on how debauch it is.
your pic is sexy but it's not unreasonable.
It's a vibe thing. If it looks like porn, it's porn.

>>7885206
The future is set, computer components are already being priced out and outright removed from consumer markets for good and "AI" is the excuse. You will not be allowed to generate your own entertainment, and you were a retard for thinking they would allow you to.

>>7885236
If you had just posted that page I wouldn't have even thought it was fanservice. It's a little sexy, but really just a bikini top.

>>7885246
I like it all enough, it is just annoying having to push plot beats back because a scene needs more room. It's satisfying seeing the story take shape in real life at least, I just wish I was faster at it. I already had to move the ending of the previous issue to the end of the one I'm currently on, as well as ending the last one on a more uncertain note (looks like bad guy is dead) because I couldn't even fit the way it was supposed to end (bad guy revealed to not be dead, shocking) and had to carry that over to the current issue's beginning. I think I made it work well enough but it makes me wonder how many genius decisions made by some of the greats were actually due to having to make concessions like this. All in all it's a rewarding experience in the end despite my gripes with the process.

>>7885137
yes. all animals are the same. because you conveniently failed to specify why they are different

>>7885183
and they still printed it

>>7885236
if I see a comic like picrel, I can't take it seriously

>>7885261
They have different names

>>7885236
I like ecchi.

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>>7885236
Some series lean into it, some don't, you have to decide where you stand - you will NOT appeal to everyone with the manga you make, and being sexless can ward away just as many people as being sexual. "Fanservice" is mostly a pejorative term invented to dismiss any sexual content as over the top, distracting, objectifying, yadda yadda, but it needn't be that way. Fact of the matter is people like attractive characters. Sex appeal is part of that. Sexual desire is natural, and beautiful, and it's not unusual to design characters with that as the main goal.

Just don't fall into the trap of doing all sex appeal and no other forms of appeal; if you design a character in skimpy clothes, I should still be able to tell their personality just by looking at them, and should be able to tell them apart from all the other sexualized characters. Many people fail at this hurdle. Don't fucking do it.

>>7885265
not good enough.

>>7885271
B-Berate me more animal-sama, make me feel worthless...

Pretty much every shonen has some kind of fanservice yet nobody would ever consider them echhi or "porn"

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>>7885236
It really depends on the circumstances. I really doubt anybody's read Hunter x Hunter, got to this chick and thought "dangit, now I can't show my mum this comic for boys". Do you think everybody's allergic to a bit of skin? Most people have been outside, and have seen women showing lots of skin. Some people have been those women showing that skin.
Now, granted, if the camera is getting right up in her ass and if her bikini's flying off all the time then yeah it's a little different. But that's more than just "scantily clad" at that point. Just have a chick showing some skin is really no big deal.

>>7885279
>Some people have been those women showing that skin.
Those people deride fanservice anyway because they are insecure hypocrites, but that's a topic for /r9k/

>>7885281
In my experience those people give far less of a shit than you seem to right now.

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>>7885236
I love fanservices.
I hate it when they bait me with fanservices in the first chapters but then remove them afterwards.
Looking at you, Goblin Slayer.

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>>7885284
>marketing team uses rape scene as advertisement
>no more rape in the recent volumes
Did they get a new editor in chief or something? I feel like someone is trying to backpedal all the sexual violence which made this franchise controversial in the first place.

>>7885284
Goblin slayer was a dumb concept to begin with and should have never been made into a story.

>>7885286
Isn't it adapted from a web novel or an LN? Maybe the source material just doesn't go there again.

>>7885290
why not

>>7885284
>>7885286
Literally the only thing I know about Goblin Slayer is that some broad gets raped and then they never do that again, that's basically its legacy to anyone who hasn't read it. Other than that I've never heard anything good about it.

>>7885294
There's a cognitive dissonance. It's a story about eliminating goblins while also trying to appeal to people who want to see goblins assaulting women.

>>7885301
so what's the dissonance?
the characters want to kill goblins. why do they want to kill goblins? let me show you why the characters want to kill goblins. that's standard storytelling.
doesn't berserk do this exact same thing? oh shit, trolls! why are trolls so bad? let me show you why trolls are so bad. only in berserk the troll rape cave isn't even integral to the plot and character motivations. it's just a bad thing that happens.

>>7885278
you're right. I would call then shit.

>>7885301
>>7885309


you can call it "fanservice". I would call ot bait.

and switch

>>7885309
You can come up with a narrative explanation for anything, but if you cultivate a fanbase using women getting raped then you'd better put out every now and then.

>capeshit blasted for putting women in refrigerators
>manga losing readers because not enough women get raped

>>7885318
>>>7885309(You)
>you can call it "fanservice"
i did not and would not call it "fanservice". i would call it a matter of "mismatched presentation".
you know another difference between berserk's troll rape cave and over sexually explicit scenes? titillation. berserk is presenting a horrific or disturbing or otherwise unusual scenario as such, while goblin slayer's rape scene has the presentation of a pornographic work. it looks like the author just came off drawing h-manga and only really knew how to draw that, or the editorial was particular about the work having sex appeal despite the actual content of the work. that's what dissonant. not the setup or the writing, the visual presentation of the events.

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>>7885236
In Brazil women wear even less than that so no one complains about it. They only piss and shit their pants when it's done specifically to pleasure men. I mean, you can have the most coomerbait character ever but if she is strong aff and dont "simp" for the male characters it's okay like Nikaido from Dorohedoro, Tsunade from Naruto and the brown bunny from MHA.

Now rapebait like Elizabeth from from Nanatsu and Tamaki from Fire Force they hate with passion.

>>7885319
>fighter gets raped
>dying female mage gets molested and almost raped
>several nuns get raped
>fighter girl who was with the nuns is raped
>several women during the big goblin invasion of the farm are brought by the goblins as already raped and tied to shields to deter arrow attacks
>the big goblin during the invasion has his backstory revealed and it shows him raping and murdering several women
>the old elf fortress arc has an entire party of female adventurers raped and murdered
>priestess herself is almost raped several times, and goblins are shown more than once wanting to rape her
>the older priestess girl is raped before she gets rescued and not bedore her fingers get chopped off
>guild girl is almost raped/murdered by a rhea before goblin slayer kills him
>the high priestess was raped again and again before the events of goblin slayer
>high class swordmage girl was raped
>the elf in swordmage girl's party was raped and then disemboweled
>several girls in watertown were found raped and disemboweled
>several girls were shown being raped in the snow fortress
I dont understand how you can have all of this and say they did a bait and switch on the raping in GS. It's everywhere.

>>7885309
I'm saying the audience will be divided. One side hates goblins, the other has a fetish for them. What does the author do after showing why his goblins are bad? Both sides will feel baited. Trying to create a balance will just lead to cognitive dissonance and dissatisfaction.

The only fanservice I hate is accidental shit like the tired wardrobe malfunction or anything involving a beta herbivore male mc unless it's played for laughs to make him look like even more of a loser for acting like he doesn't know what sex is or trying desperately not to look at fanservice shit, other than that fanservice is kino

>>7885329
Dense protagonists are obviously to keep tension. I agree some are too stupid, but it's boring if they have sex or get into a relationship right away.

>>7885347
1 leaves the least room for mistaking the reading order IMO.

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Not to interrupt sex talk, but I've wanted /mmg/'s input on this
I'm doing my first open-design page, without panels besides the top panel, just drawings floating freely on the page. I'm considering the flow of the images, and I've been wondering which arrangement looks best - 1, 2, or 3?
(Now without ultra-fucked up transparency)

1 was my initial design, but I dislike the asymmetry of it. It doesn't form an aesthetically appealing spiral, and can't with this panel-to-page size.

>>7885349
I would use panels anyway, with 1 being my top pick even though I like 2 better

>>7885336
>it's boring if they have sex or get into a relationship right away

versus what? a prolonged snafu-fest lasting years and years of will they/wont they? the entire trope is boring

>>7885336
I find it aggravating when the premise of the show is fanservice and the protagonist is custom built to avoid it in every way possible. It's not like herb mc is a necessity for this either, Urusei Yatsura is a perfect example of a character who can get into ecchi situations but never have the satisfaction of any full follow-through since the plot never allows him to. Also thinking that a relationship is boring is honestly, and I hate to use this word, but sort of a toxic mindset. There are certain setups you can only have if two people are committed to each other, the relationship beginning is not the end of important or fun happenings. You can still throw a couple into circumstances that keep the story engaging, but permavirgin otaku writers who never interact with others and who feel like life ends after high school will likely never have the imagination to write such a dynamic without it coming across as pandering or unrealistically patronizing.

>>7885352
What are you reading that does things differently? Pretty much every manga has the introduction, development, twist, and resolution format. Romcoms, battle shonens, ETC.

>>7885355
you're not seriously suggesting this is the fault of the author's, are you?
do you not understand why you get these works in the first place?

>>7885358
I understand it's a nothing bland void of a protagonist so teen boys can self insert and that he must always avoid sex like the plague so as not to cause impressionable young minds to engage in unsafe intercourse and whatever if that's what you mean, but that doesn't mean I have to like it. I used to watch harem anime with relative frequency back when I was in the target audience range for it, I guess this is just leftover negativity from those days.

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>>7885360
>so teen boys can self insert and that he must always avoid sex like the plague so as not to cause impressionable young minds to engage in unsafe intercourse and whatever if that's what you mean
so... you don't understand then.

>>7885361
I like to think I'm relatively open-minded if you feel like educating me on the subject.

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>>7885362
what survives in the manga industry is what sells. nothing more and nothing less. stories where the protagonist gets with their love interest early on has lost the interest of their audience in the past and their sales declined. editorial notices the trend. editorial steers future authors away from decisions that will negatively impact the success of their work. so even if an author wants to have the protagonist and love interest become a couple, editorial points out to them why they should wait until the series is over if at all.
this is not some failing of the author. it's not even a failing of the editorial. they're both doing their jobs. they're simply telling the stories that the audience has been shown to prefer.
>but i don't prefer it
tough
>but what series has failed because the protagonist and love interest/s got together?
that we cannot rattle of names is not proof that this is untrue, only that such works were ultimately forgotten. what are remembered are exceptions.

>>7885355
Think of it as a story structure. Which girl will he get? > Will he be able to get her? How will he get her? > What will happen after he gets her? Will he lose her?

This creates much more tension and suspense than simply "Will he lose the girl?" Not much development can happen unless it's negative. Maybe they can overcome some relationship issue, but you could've gotten there if they didn't start out as a couple as well.

>>7885368
I see, it's worse than I thought. Thank you for your time.

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>>7885236
Sex appeal never harms anything.
Boring manga will get axed regardless if it utilize sex appeal or not.

>>7885370
>This creates much more tension and suspense than simply "Will he lose the girl?"
I agree it's easier to write but I don't know if I'd say it's "much more" tension, especially if it's "he's single and losing means he'll still be single" goes up against "losing means he may lose the one person in his life who truly loves him for who he is," assuming we're going that route.
>Not much development can happen unless it's negative.
It doesn't have to just relate to relationship drama, you can have a relatively healthy couple and put them in other situations. This is just personal taste though since I am kind of tired of relationship drama which is why I don't write that as the main hook between most of my characters.

>>7885370
NTA, and At risk of sounding like
>le wokeism
I do think a lot of peoples struggles with writing a plot after two characters actually tie the knot comes from romance authors reducing characters to their sex and most basic traits. Yeah no shit you can’t write a compelling story about your protagonist and a love interest being in a relationship together when you can boil most of your series down to the protagonist trying to “get” said love interest.

Maybe I’m just not the audience for series where the romance is basically the only plot line rather than something like a romance drama, where the romantic plot lines intersect with a non-romantic plot that the couple could tackle together if they actually did get together.

I just find it so fucking difficult to buy a romance when the central thrust of the story has been “will these two people be able to hold a conversation for long enough to figure out they’re obviously interested in one another?” Because the answer would be “fuck no.”

A lot of this just sounds like western writing vs eastern writing.

>>7885385
Probably something to do with westerners working with an eastern medium

>>7885389
Just don't be surprised if you end up with a high guardian spice instead of a doki doki literature club.

>>7885391
/co/ told me HGS was secretly great and just misunderstood and just wait for the fan-made remake and
Anyway as long as it avoids bean mouth and calarts proportions it will at least have that much going for it.

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>>7885292
>Isn't it adapted from a web novel or an LN? Maybe the source material just doesn't go there again.
To be fair, the LN didn't explicitly show that Fighter and Wizard were being gangraped either.
It's all the manga adaptation taking the liberty.
However, those manga-only rape scenes are no longer present recently.
Even goblins' imaginary rape scene in the LN wasn't adapted at all in the manga adaptation.
The recent chapter just came out yesterday and I was correct when I said the girl who was kidnapped by the goblins wouldn't be raped at all, just tortured.
Looks like someone has told the mangaka to stop all the sexual violence.
The fact that they never and won't even show full nudity for the side girls anymore confirms my fear.

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>>7885236
Its literally all in the framing. Framing takes a lot more precedent in determining whats fanservice-y versus design.
Like I think about old anime all the time to look back at this trend. Despite the vast amount of characters in bikinis or tiny micro bikini armor, the ones that only ever stick out as fan service characters are the ones that keep showing off their shit or have close ups of their ass/tits/etc.
Like look at pic related on the top, this is Toriyama's art, despite the warrior girl wearing basically an armored bikini, the one that is clearly the fan servicey one is the bunny girl, not even cause of the design but because shes trying to show off her shit.
Or if you want a clear example, compare the Akira Toriyama art in my pic to anything in fucking Akebi's Sailor Uniform. The characters in that show just wear regular fucking clothes, but despite how normal looking the characters they are fan service characters cause the framing in every shot highlights there tits/ass/feet/thighs/etc.
You can draw a character just flat out naked but as long as you dont bring attention to it the readers wont care(publishers might cause they gotta meet standards/laws though)

>>7885372
That actually hurts like a mother fucker for women. Not like hitting a guy in the balls, but its close

>>7885409
>That actually hurts like a mother fucker for women.
Good.

>>7885398
Well co is filled with manchildren who like calarts and will sincerely enjoy barney and seasme street despite being 40 years old.

Did you forget the title?

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>>7885286
>Goblin Slayer
I thought I was the weird one to find the goblin rape scenes erotic instead of horrifying.

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Goblins are real. Just imagine waking up in the dead of night and seeing this 5 foot monstrosity at the foot of your bed, covered in scabs with his dick out.

>>7885417
'That Time I Got Rein/co/nated As A Mangakaijin'?

>>7885402
Adaptations always horny it up, it seems
>sex scenes in Redo of Healer are like actual sex scenes in the anime instead of the cliffnotes version we get in the manga
>sex in Peter Grill manga is just a gag and it only shows the before/after while the anime actually gets into it
Sad to see them walk it back for GS though, RIP

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>>7885402
>However, those manga-only rape scenes are no longer present recently.
Heh, even Tsugumomo's author moan about this.

Does anyone here plan on including sexual violence in their work?

>>7885420
I genuinely find the scenes enraging
even the concept of rape disgusts me to no end
But i am always curios about how someone who rapes feels after getting overpowered and raped
like that video of the mexican cartel where they let a pitbull maul the dick of a pedophile

It's just insane to me that subhumans constantly try to prey on the weak but cry injustice when they're the prey

>>7885425
>average 14 yo's experience on what's-his-name's island

>weight; 35kg
bruh, she literally ain't got no organs

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>>7885405
>exploding knees
>>7885421
If you're going to shill asmoldbald, please take it to /v/ where it belongs.

>>7885412
>go into a toddler show thread expecting people to be roasting it
>instead find serious discussions about whatever the hell it is
Only board I've been on that's given me the ick. Sad comics general too, it's more like "how's the webcomic idea you've had for years but never do anything with?" where almost everyone is a doomer and isn't serious enough to give substantial critique let alone accept any. I don't know where I'd be without /mmg/, I've already gotten invaluable advice from here despite being around for only a short time.

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>>7885427
>even the concept of rape disgusts me to no end
I was you until I read Goblin Slayer years ago.
Now, no matter how fuck up a rape scene in fictional media is, for as long as the woman is attractive, I always find them hot and titillating.
Even Berserk's rape scenes which I found disturbing the first time I read it now (after reading Goblin Slayer) turn out to be hot and titillating.
Don't worry about my mental health, I'm too lazy to even initiate any sexual conduct IRL, and I still enjoy lovey-dovey vanilla eromanga from time to time.

>>7885449
>as long as the woman is attractive, I always find them hot and titillating.
This is why we need more scenes of ugly women getting raped

The best way of doing fanservice is being able to masterfully combine lewd/ecchi with cute.

>>7885457
The best fanservice is treating women's bodies and agency with the respect they deserve (women love to dress and act like mindless sluts)

>>7885236
>Shit, now I can't watch this with my family and friends
Fucking normies

>>7885469
Anon over here putting on Black Bible during family time

>>7885479
Nice sag, A+

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>>7885420
Motherfucker saw that one single scene in Berserk and made a whole fucking story about it

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>>7885527
Anon, I just fapped.
I wish Goblin Slayer was this explicit tho.

>>7885527
What did late Miura feel when he draw this?
What narrative and artistic purposes do es it serve for him to necessarily allocate a fucking double page spread to show human female getting their ample breast groped and their virgin vagina penetrated by BTC?

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>>7885530
>What did late Miura feel when he draw this?

>>7885530
Its what he liked, clearly. Hell, several anons here have blatant focuses which show up in their work.
>altarusia: gore, paranormal, predatory sexual tension with the banshee ghost
>dingle/pornanon: multiple girls with a hapless guy and the girls going all "ara ara~~" or "fufufu" while they take turns
>the other australian anon: every single degenerate sexual fetish possible crammed into each drawing, loves to draw brown people and goblins, likes backgrounds
>the other OTHER australian anon: obsessed with page redos, wants to see how far he can push each page without technically making it a porno
>aecast: likes middle eastern aesthetics and backgrounds, very clearly interested in parasites/body horror
>headless mindless: grossout humor, clearly loves the 90s
>sunburn anon: technology autism, likes girls with fur

>>7885539
Forgot to include the anon who draws the people in the greek city: one of our only two anons who draw a comic in full color, clearly loves the Ranma 1/2 aesthetic when it comes to faces, bodies.

>>7885539
I feel like these anons should really have names around here besides Dingle

>>7885542
It works for dingle since he makes a variety of little short stories which have no real relation to one another. In that case, a name is the central tie-in and makes sense. For a lot of the other anons tho (but not all), they either have never volunteered a name and/or their central work is what everyone recognizes them by, not so much that they are called XYZ or whatever.

>>7885543
Really shouldn't matter. Nobody calls Miura "Berserkman" even though that's his only work he's known for.

>>7885544
Because Miura has a real name

>>7885527
Look at this shit, this is totally porn and its not like he is even trying to convice us this is bad lol like the Wild dude in golden age arc. Normalfags give miura too much credit just because his art and settings are considered realistic. Miura is just the average degerate nip who likes lolis and drawing women geting raped just like goblin slayer author but idk why normalfags cant see it

>>7885547
And what's wrong with that? Being horny is human, you can be horny and also have a deep meaning at the same time. In fact, sex itself can be meaningful for positive or negative.

Your hangups on sexuality are not natural.

>>7885546
I'm calling him Berserkman from now on.

>>7885548
When did I say it's wrong? Im saying normalfags will go barking mad over goblin slayer but sucks Miura's cock for doing the same thing. I like both works btw

>>7885546
you should only post here with your real name

>>7885548
>Your hangups on sexuality are not natural.
Devils advocate: I would argue that this attitude is in contrast depressingly common.

>>7885564
>depressingly
Why?

>>7885324
apt analysis by a distinguished coomer

>>7885349
2 works best imo but the lettering is really awkward. I think the wordcount is just too large for this page. Either trim or move the bottom panel to the next page.

>>7885357
this is gunna blow your mind but I dont even read manga

>>7885548
I mean there is an obvious limit to what we tolerate about human sexuality. And certain wide spread sexuality can be a very bad sign.

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>>7885548
do you enjoy co opting the word "sex" to shut down any debate or disagreement?

You disingenuous little bitch. normal people do not equate images of minors and rape to "the human condition of sex and reproduction." no. they see degeneracy, deviancy and shame. and no amount of cyclical relativist drivel will change that

>>7885574
Never mind, I had misread the prior comment I was quoting. Disregard. I thought it was referencing the current zoomer-level trend of being puritanical about anything even remotely sensual and throwing a fucking fit on reddit.

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>>7885348
What order you read it in doesn't necessarily matter - as long as you start at the top and move down, you'll be reading in the right order.

>>7885351
Just framing the images in a single diagonal panel, or diving them into two square panels... I'll go experimenting.

>>7885578
The lettering is temporary, but is this really too much text? Maybe I've been reading too much Eisner.

>>7885612
>images of minors
OHHHH NOOOO not the fictional not real pixels on the screen "minors" who dont exist

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>>7885622
>is this really too much text
Actually, no. Lettering is really difficult to do right, personally I find it more challenging than paneling itself (although there's some overlap between the two).

This page from Death Note has about 140 words, while yours has around 120. I'm probably just biased because I limit my wordcount to make the lettering easier for myself so I rarely use more than 100 words per page.

To me, something about the amount of text on your page looks off, but I can't articulate what to be honest.

>>7885548
You can, but you can also do those things without explicit rape scenes.

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>>7885627
There's something to be said about density
I find it a lot easier to read a page of a few long text bubbles and a page that's mostly bereft of words otherwise, rather than L going on an autistic rant, where it's mostly split across the whole page. I may be alone though
I'll keep trying things

>>7885627
Something about Obata's writing is just so specficially dense, which becomes much more wordy when translated into english. Even Bakuman was like this, with characters being squished or sometimes just covered up almost entirely by speech bubbles. He's a good example of an author that really knows how to dance on the thin line of what's acceptable when drawing dialogues and bubble placement, but not a great example of what to do in general. I think people might find pages constructed this way hard to sit through if you are considering reader's thoughts.

I come up with so many worlds, settings, characters and concepts, but its so hard to put them to a story

I always thought berk sucked and miura was a hack.

>>7885655
>I was always dumb
Yeah we know

>>7885651
Sounds like you just have to read more about plot structure and get more plot inspirations. Having the settings and characters is already a great start. You just need to combine it with plot.

Plot is difficult tho, because in contrary characters or settings it's a bigger project. You either need to be very talented for it, or imo, you need to read a lot or watch a lot of movies to get a feel for it and to find enough inspirations.

>>7885655
Nah, berserk is cool. It's just babbies first seinen.

>>7885627
I personally think Deathnote and Bakuman go a bit too far with their text. Their stories are very dialogue heavy without much visual action. They make up for it by being very well written and actually entertaining... but you should be very cautious about adding more text than is necessary in your pages.

If your bore your readers, they will stop reading and skip past it, missing whatever important thing you were trying to say.

Unpopular opinion: action doesn't fit very well to manga. Action is great for movies, but not for drawings because you can't really show motion well with them

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>>7885664
Are you sure?

>>7885539
>the other australian anon: every single degenerate sexual fetish possible crammed into each drawing, loves to draw brown people and goblins, likes backgrounds
I'm backgroundsexual
>>7885664
Retarded and wrong opinions often are unpopular.

>>7885664
What a bizarre claim, battle shounen is the best action content around.

>>7885657
Maybe like with one piece I'm just not brown enough.

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>>7885667
This doesn't really disprove the point but rather argues in favour for it.
This One Punch Man segment is literally animated. As a result it takes up half the chapter for what should have only been 2-3 small panels on a single page.
>>7885664 points out an undeniable fact. Action is better conveyed through animation and not the limited snapshots of a manga page.

That said... action is very entertaining and many wish to read a story that features action. Books feature action, and so does manga, because it's just a fun topic to depict. Techniques like speed lines and dynamic panelling cna bridge the gap between just static images and full animation, making it still a very exciting experience to watch, but make no mistake, action is not suited to manga.

>>7885664
Did you both of your IQ points to come to that conclusion?

>>7885687
It sounds like you don't belong here, since you can't even seem to appreciate the medium of comics at all.

Or maybe you're just a beglet who can't draw action, and you're trying to gaslight yourself into thinking it's not your lack of ability, but instead action just can't be drawn.

>>7885687
Looking at this page, I'll explain how conveys action well without the need for animation.
Going panel by panel, right to left
>1
The speed lines communicate a great deal of speed. The dust clouds show his movement backwards, and its intensity. The sfx text does this also.
If these things were removed, it would just look like the character is kneeling on the ground.
>2
the panel is small but zoomed in, with speed lines closing in, and a rock flying past. This communicates a fast moment happening, it is shocking for the character, in terms of animation.
>3
The panel is large, but features an action that would otherwise be extremely fast and suited to a small panel, this communicates that time has slowed down. The lighting, with the main character in silouette and the hat characters eyes hidden communicates an ominous tone, which helps convey the audio experience.
>4
The character stops his movement to hold his ground, if it was just the foot on its own, it would mean nothing, but the presence of speed lines and dust kicking up carry this animated effect. Also the sfx
>5
The characters swords meet, the speed lines covering the entire page convey the intensity of this motion, along with the little splash effect. If it was just a plain background with no splash effect, there would be no intensity at all.

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>>7885687
How about this?

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>>7885695
Just for fun, I have deliberately ruined this page by removing all the effects. Things that do not really exist (with the rocks and dust being debatable) in the action, but exist merely as a tool of communication. Communicating the speed and intensity of the action.

The panels play an important role too but I couldn't be bothered to edit them into perfectly square boxes, but if I had, the animated effect would be further diminished for sure.

>>7885694
Curb your hostility, I am arguing your exact point.
Manga is not animated, and so it lacks the benefits that animation brings to action, ie, animation. It makes up for this with the use of clever tricks in the form of speed lines, sfx, splashes, and literally modifying the the physical world around the character (the dust) to communicate the animated nature of the action.
I make this point because many budding manga artists do not appreciate the importance of these things, and their action suffers for it.
Use speed lines, use sfx, do all these things. Make your manga as dynamic as possible.

>>7885706
You turned it from a good looking action scene into something /mmg/ made

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>>7885704
This is literally animated. It's not even a manga anymore when you do this.
The fact that you're presenting this to me as a gif proves that it is animated.

THIS in the selfsame manga IS "animated" through the limitations of manga, and does not simply become actually animated as in your gif, because doing so would take up half the chapter and that is simply unsuitable for manga.

Wow everyone is so smart here and can write paragraphs on how to make a good manga. Surely there's at least one mildly entertaining story here? Oh...

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>>7885708
Yes, that is what I wish to show. Well not to disparage /mmg/.

If anything I'll bash western comics because my edited page on the right is exactly what they do as default.
Ask yourself, where is Superman moving in this page?
Which direction is he going? Is he coming forwards? downwads? back upwards? And how fast is he going? What is the intensity?

If this were a frame in an animation it would be fine because you would watch it animated and that information would be conveyed through literally animation, but this is a comic and they don't have that luxury. But they have done nothing to make up for it and the result is a stiff, lifeless page.

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>>7885712
Capeshits probably stopped doing speedlines and movement tricks for the same reason they mostly stopped doing sound effects: They became self-conscious of how "comic booky" they looked, and it hurt resale of the pages when they didn't look enough like posters to put on the wall

American comics innovated a lot in the early days and many things people associate with manga today came from capeshit originally

>>7885711
>Surely there's at least one mildly entertaining story here? Oh...
We've got something like around 20 anons who post on some kind of semi-regular basis and not one of them reaches "mildly entertaining" to you? Not even the smallest smidgen of mildly entertaining? Not even the ones who are published/working with actual industry editors who have professionally decided they are entertaining enough? What kind of mangas are you reading? Share them so I can read them too.

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>>7885722
I agree. They thought the old cartoony look was cringe and wanted to appear more realistic, but all they did was sabotage their own dynamism

>>7885728
>>7885722
Is that why English onomatopoeia fucking sucks?

hi i am new where do I begin?

>>7885728
They just stopped trying to make a good visual story and instead wanted to flex their pencils and inks, and special effects like those just get in the way of their generic Loomis anatomy study with a cape.

>>7885722
>panel 1 superman is coming from behind and pins the hulk's arms to his sides
>panel 2 has the hulk throw his hands upwards to shake superman off and superman is now suddenly................. face the hulk's front
Huh? Did he reach under his legs while pinned down and grab Supes and pull him through his legs and then throw him into the air? What on earth is going on here?

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>>7885742
old comics were extremely compressed. It was assumed the reader would just figure that the hulk go the upper hand inbetween the two panels.

>>7885706
>Manga is not animated, and so it lacks the benefits that animation brings to action, ie, animation
This. That's also the reason why mecha manga has never been popular, but mecha anime on the other hand became massive.
Most manga readers are just too stupid to realize this deficit of the medium.

>>7885762
I suspect the reason mecha never took off in manga is twofold
>mecha is spawned from toy companies
Toy companies are more likely to fund an anime than the creation of a manga. Shows like Gundam exist originally practically as an advertisement for the toys.
>mecha is hard to draw
Manga artists are less likely to draw a bunch of mechanical details so much. It's more suited to animation companies that can make use of 3d

>>7885762
Mecha is not popular anywhere in any form except model kits. It's super niche and even Gundam's success is small compared to any other flavor of anime. Its most popular entries have very little to do with robots and everything to do with character waifufagging, and this applies to pretty much every "mecha" franchise. The action being animated or not is not a factor.

>>7885734
The OP, which has links to pdfs you should probably read first before you do anything.

>>7885766
>have very little to do with robots and everything to do with character
Stuff like Macross isn't just about character waifufagging, it's also about mecha and sci-fi action. The way the missiles were animated became iconic. You could never do stuff like this with manga.

>>7885773
Macross is famous for love triangles, and the franchise peaked in the 80s and died 20 years ago. Not a good example.

Manga is better than anime.

>>7885777
Macross is famous for many things. Romance, sci-fi soap opera, mecha, etc. Just because mecha shows also featured hot girls doesn't mean that's all there is to it. Almost every popular anime has this trope and waifufags hyping up the characters, except for shonen shit maybe.

>>7885777
>the franchise peaked in the 80s
Yea, because sci-fi peaked in the 80s. Doesn't change that it was popular at one point. Later you also had the obvious example, Evangelion. That also featured mechas.

>>7885785
>featured
Jesus you people are dense. Everyone knows Eva fans dont give a single fuck about the mecha, it is literally the poster child for "unlike every other mecha anime, this one focuses on the characters thats why i like it"

>>7885734
The first step is usually to learn how to draw but we consider it optional.

>>7885789
If the mechas are that unpopular then why did they put them in it? It's literally Godzilla shit with mechas. Do you also think Godzilla is only popular because of the characters in the movies? Just because it's more of a framework plot and focused on the characters doesn't mean it can be well received and a reason for its massive success.

>>7885543
>>7885542
I've had my penname displayed clearly on work I've posted ITT for years (since 2021 with Quickdraw and even earlier with Tezuka submission) and people still insist on calling me cowboyanon/pornanon over just using the name. That's 4chan baby. The trappings of anonymity even while identifying each user.

>>7885801
Tragic, but I'd also rather die than anyone ITT use a name in their posts

>>7885622
>as long as you start at the top and move down, you'll be reading in the right order.
On this page, maybe. But if you accidentally read a page right to left and the next page is left to right it's going to be confusing. You want to minimize confusion. Walk before you run.

>>7885667
>>7885704
>>7885780
Visually manga is superior to 99% of animation because the level of detail in an individual panel far exceeds that of the individual frame and that difference gets even bigger when you take single and double page spreads into account which highlight pivotal moments in the narrative. Also, if you really get into the flow with manga (just like with books), you stop perceiving the individual symbols and simply experience the story in your mind, further shrinking the advantage of anime, but that requires a lot of focus (or perhaps the opposite of focus).

In my humble opinion the reason why most people prefer anime is not at all due to 'animation', but due to music.
Music can instantly convey or amplify complex emotions in a way that requires no effort from the recipient. A good soundtrack is what can elevate an anime over its manga counterpart. An excellent anime composes its individual scenes around its soundtrack.

AoT is a great example of this. The manga art is mediocre, the anime has great animation, but what really sets it apart is the soundtrack. This is a great scene in the manga, but the anime version clearly hits much harder. However, moments such as this are the rare exception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDzzOX1NExM

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Detective Hefferchu Ch. 4 (dating arc part 2) is out, would love feedback. Hefferchu helps a client find himself, and perhaps love?
Tapas, webtoons, pixiv, and globalcomix links @ https://efsius.net

I'll be storyboarding chapter 6 tonight
https://www.twitch.tv/efsius1/
https://www.youtube.com/@efsius1/streams

>>7885830
You have a good sense of humor, anon, don't lose it. The ditto part made me exhale air from my nose in a faster than usual manner.

>>7885821
I was going to mention this earlier. Music is the biggest advantage anime has over manga. I can't imagine all those MHA scenes without You Say Run playing.

>>7885830
Looking for story or art critique?
I'm not really into this style of story - it's not my thing, so I can't give quality criticism. As for your art - I think you have very good composition and visualization. You're able to think of what you're going to have to convey, and convey it with clear visual language. I never had to scan a panel for a second time to wonder what was going on, and I immediately knew where any page was going just from the first few panels - the only times I didn't were the deliberate bait-and-switches.

My main complaint with your art is that you're not very good at doing movement. Characters in-between positions, like walking or slipping and falling, are pretty stilted and rough, compared to the really loose and limber posing you need to sell those motions. You have a bad habit of making the fingers overly straight or the hands extended too far out, which gives a good silhouette, but right now isn't exaggerated enough to be cartoonishly appealing or subdued enough to be realistic.

You can tell a story, though, and that's the most important bit.

>>7885830
Last 2 panels are pretty funny, you nailed that shoujo expression lol

>230 posts in one day
wew

>>7885876
We are so back.

>>7885236
>Is fanservice-y female character design a net negative?
Yes.
The reason why Shingeki no Kyojin's anime is so much popular internationally than Kimetsu no Yaiba is because the former is more "family-friendly" as in you can watch it together with your mom, dad, kids, friends, and colleagues without feeling ashamed for liking "Chinese cartoon".
Unlike the latter which may get you humiliated each time that spider mommy demon, that love pillar, that prostitute demon, those trio wives, or grown up Nezuko are on screen.
So yeah, stop sexualizing female character if you want your work to be marketable to every demography.

I dont think anyone here wants to market to moms and ironic weebs

>>7885911
If your work is marketable to every demographic, it's probably fucking boring

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>>7885912
>market to moms
Jokes on you, Kimetsu no Yaiba is the most popular with women in their 30s and 40s.

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>>7885911
I always find it amusing about Westerners' desensitization with blood and gore but a hint of hetero sexuality is enough to trigger half of the population.
>people getting eaten alive by giant zombies
Oh no anyway...
>girl getting her naked ass clawed by goblin
Cancel that shit!

>>7885919
those hags just want to rape the MC and you know it

>>7885911
>one piece
>dragon ball
>bleach
>naruto
All of these are loaded with fanservice.

>>7885939
Dragon Ball has some but Z is pretty much devoid of fanservice besides like one or two scenes from what I remember. Not that I mind since his style was better for it when the lines were rounder.

>>7885624
Still a minor whether it's real or drawn, pedophile >>7885612 read you like a book.

>>7885838
>>7885859
Glad you found it funny!

>>7885854
Appreciate the thoughts, I see it too and will def be workin on it.

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How do one plan reflection refraction translucentcy in an image as correct as realism, or perhaps, 6 digit traffic/sales worth. I mean panel. Especially how refraction (and reflections)works and it's shapes.

>>7885939
>loaded

you are either 12 years old or completely delusional.

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>>7885964
>BULLSEYE

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I wanted to try doing a bigger drawing with ink but ended up doing the initial sketch digitally to speed up things. This made me want to experiment and do the same drawing both digitally and traditionally to see how they differ. I realized that I haven't cracked the code for covering large areas of hatching yet, so it turned out pretty messy when using actual ink, as there are no take backs. On the plus side traditional inking is so much faster and I much prefer the tactile feeling of pen nib against paper over a glass screen. And fitting four characters on a single A4 sheet made everything very small, but no way to get lost in details, I guess. In the end I prefer the digital one for now, but both have merits I like. I want to keep on learning traditional inking, so the preference might change one day.

>>7886096
Left: Soulless
Right: Soul

>>7886096
I like right slightly more, but you need to get more confident with the lines on your characters

>>7886096
fwiw, I think right looks better
What particula\rly stands out to me is the detailing of the grass, which looks much more natural. It's got a fuzzy quality to it, while the left is just implying grass with its silhouette. I think your character posing is also better, despite the characters looking less polished overall.

>>7886096
I would urge you to not be afraid to use more solid blacks in some places. Especially on the bottom portions of the boulders.

For some reason I can't find the answer to my question since all search results are just trying to sell me the mobile version of CSP

How do I use my Galaxy tablet to just "mirror" my PC screen on CSP and use it to draw on?

>>7886122
not enough info. do you have an hdmi adapter? do you know if the tablet can even do that?

>>7886122
if a galaxy tablet counts as a monitor on your pc then you can right click your desktop background and click "display settings" and make your tablet mirror the monitor instead of extend it.

>>7886122
You're lucky I was messing around with something similar with the ipad a while ago. I recall that there's a free program that allows you to do this via bluetooth, so it is possible, just not natively. The downside is that because it's moving all the information through a bluetooth connection it's not seamless and there is noticible lag in performance. I can't remember the name of the program off top but it shouldn't be too hard to find.

>>7886165
>>7886164
>>7886123
Thanks anyway, I just checked and my computer doesn't support "miracast" for some unspecified reason. I ordered a real drawing tablet anyway, it should just connect natively. I'll post an update with some sketches when it arrives

>>7885923
That's because male sexuality is considered inherently immoral in the west. Men who have sex are considered exploiters, while men who don't have sex are considered at minimum socially dysfunctional and often outright criminally asocial.
On the other hand, virtually any sexual behaviour by women is considered morally permissible. Male promiscuity is deviant, female promiscuity is healthy. Male cheating is emotional violence, female cheating is empowerment. Male emotional disengagement is cruelty, female emotional disengagement is self-care. And so on.

In such a society any depiction of sexual relations that doesn't outright cater to the wants and needs of women is highly pernicious. Sexual depiction of women is only acceptable if it alligns with the goals of the character (example: character makes an onlyfans account and takes sexy pictures). If this is not the case and the sexual display is created for the sake of the (male) audience it is bad on principle ('the male gaze') and almost all manga/anime fanservice falls in this category (of course if the audience is women like with yaoi and fujoshi it's no problem at all).

In the western entertainment landscape rape (of women) is therefore considered the ultimate crime and depicting it in a way that can be considered fetishizing the ultimate taboo. It is regarded as the worst possible thing that is legal to show in media. Murder, gore, torture, mutilation? No biggy. A woman getting raped?Unacceptable. Because it violently negates the lopsided western sex relations. And, of course, the rape of men is totally fine to depict, especially for comedic effect (don't drop the soap silly boys haha!)

I'm convinced that depictions of sexual violence against women will be outright outlawed in many western countries in the coming 10-30 years.

>>7886096
I think the last two things you said can be mimicked digitally by not zooming in as much, and not pressing undo so much.

>>7886230
Yeah but be so real... no one has the discipline to force that sort of course correction. Not even I did, which is why I started doing nearly everything on paper. Acknowledging where you're weak isn't a detriment. Everyone has personal shortcomings, sometimes swimming against it doesn't result in going upstream.

>>7886234
>Everyone has personal shortcomings

speak for yourself loser

>>7886096
I've been slowly coming to the realisation screentones kinda suck

>>7886248
They suck if you suck at them, like everything else.

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>>7886244
I can.
If I forced myself to fry my brain staring at a screen to draw because I chased clean lines or whatever my conception of "clean" art looked like, I would have never made it past the two pages a week I struggled to do. This is what I mean by swimming upstream. Do what you find most intuitive, don't languish for the sake of it.. Some people can work just fine on a tablet and that's good, for many the difficulty curve of traditional work is too much suffering for the payoff of something they can already produce with less friction.
Discipline is a skill like anything else, you don't just "have" it. There is no shame in admitting that there are things you must work for.

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>>7885579
>>7885655
>>7885664
>>7886248
Good God, these takes are abominable.

I hope for your sakes that these are the handful of /mmg/ anons who know how to draw.

>>7886307
There were worse takes itt you didn't quote. Also you didn't contribute anything.

>>7885664
That's like saying drawing as a medium doesn't fit action, which is fucking retarded

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https://youtu.be/kEFqydSBzRY?t=66

>>7885324
>>7885964
>>7886375
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOyHMftfbGA

>>7886380
based rock

>>7886353
Drawings are bad because they don't have music or something

>>7886349
>she doesn't know

>>7885923
>>7886186
There is no narrative defense for rape whereas there are endless reasons to include violence in a story.

>>7886408
Nobody saided this THOUGH.

Basedteens deserve to be shot.

>>7885530
>What did late Miura feel when he draw this?
SEXO

>>7886186
zoom zooms and millennials "men" became a bunch of whiny faggots. "Girls are mean, bu-uhh!!, girls say things to us bu-uhh, Girls are evil bu-uhh!!, Girls want muh dick and my money bu-uhh!!!, Girls want to get married Buh-uhh!!!"
Bunch of pussy ass faggots. Women ARE MEANT to bitch about everything and anything, that's what they do, that why they are women. Why zoom zoom faggots whant to CHANGE what women are?! If a woman slap your face, if a woman scream at you, you take it like a man, because that's what human nature is from the dawn of time. They scream and bitch at YOU, because you're the man, and you don't say shit, you go and kill and win out there for them, to shut their bitchy mouth, and get some ass.
You don't punch back at women, you punch back at men. You give your sit to a woman, because you're a fucking man, a fucking gentleman, who wants to get some ass, and if she bitch about it, you laugh it off, because they like it, you dumb asses. You don't give your sit, or open the door to other men, you dumbshits, you do it for a woman, because it's part of the ritual, of men and women since ancient times.
Learn to be men again you buncha faggots.

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manga

Some of you sound legitimately autistic. How are you going to write anything compelling if you can't understand how your character getting his ass kicked is less disturbing to the reader than him gettimg his ass fucked.

>>7886430
Yeah, surely anyone would prefer to get brutalized and smashed to a bloody pulp, rather than getting fucked and romanced. Yeah, you really know how people think and what makes them tick, eh..

>>7886430
getting*

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First time a chapter of mine will have more than 20 pages. Anyway, nevermore I will do colored chapters again I'm going insane...And also I dont know how to color

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>>7886068
Bump holy fuck.

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almost finished the chapter. hope the editor doesn't ask for too many changes, i'm keen to start inking again.

>>7886432
Would you rather take a punch to the stomach or kiss another man? Answer honestly.

>>7886465
Damn even impregnation

>>7886466
punch to the stomach

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>>7886466

>>7886307
hatching looks better in every case. screentones were always a cheap method even in traditional manga

>>7886466
punch any day. I can always punch back.

>>7885919
That's a lot of rape right there

>>7886248
>>7886307
>>7886490
Screen tones are fine, the major problem is when they get overused. One or two can really add a lot of depth, even if it is just used for darker color clothing and/or darker hair, and the like. But many times, it feels like people go overboard with them, and kind of rely on them as a crutch to cover up scant lineart.