>>7886281
Nigga's even wearing an apron and a beret hahahahaha
Normies are so gullible

When i see that i just click on don't recommend channel.
I've killed countless sloptuber careers.

>>7886281
JAZZA
SLEW
PROKO
BRUNET
... wait, actually, all of the main Youtube grifters can't draw shit

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Weird. Seconds ago I just saw some art teacher on reddit preaching how you will eventually need a teacher and essentially shilling himself. His work was also mid as fuck, sort of advanced middle school/early high school level. The weird thing is, it was trending and people were really eating it up.

I think there's nothing you can really do about this, ultimately. The problem is that art is this massive, diffusely defined cosmos of high-order, big-picture concepts that is so great, so expansive, you can not possibly know what the experience of doing it will be like until the instant you are doing it, and continuing to do it for a long time. Always new things are revealed to you, surprises you didn't anticipate. Some bad, many good actually. Yet everyone goes into art with rigid expectations, feeling strongly that it will be a Certain Way. I will do boxes, and then advance perspective, then the figure, then I will do this course, and then color theory, shape design, and then I will be "intermediate" or "pro" if I follow this regimen for 1 year (or 2 or 3 or 5 etc.).

You can't shake this retardation out of people's stupid heads to any real effect, from what I've seen. They believe it because they want to believe it, and they will reorder time and space to fit observable facts with their preconceived notions, and shut out anything contrary. So let it be.

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>>7886281
Honestly I kind of love it. I find them endlessly hilarious. The worse they are, the funnier it is to me. My favorite of these is probably the Disciplined Drawing guy. Absolute day 1 beg drawing ability, but elite tier dunning kruger. But because he can throw together some anime edits then hoards of other begs eat that shit up. It's incredible. It's even better that the guy comes to ic to shill every once in a while. I hope he finds some kind of modicum of success on his youtube just so I can get a hearty laugh. I'm actually a fan in a way, and I'm glad that the art world gets some lolcows here and there.

>>7886305
>the guy comes to ic to shill every once in a while
Who?

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>for normies
A ton of people are fine just doing paint by numbers stuff and following simple tutorials, they don't care about the decade of pain and madness to draw passable anime bitches, they just want to draw some silly stuff with their kids and everyone leaves happy with their own small painting of a barn with trees next to it.

>>7886306
was just some anon pretending to be him

>>7886283
that's not a beret, it's a flat cap, the thing child labor coal miners used to wear

>>7886354
isn't that the peaky blinders hat?

>>7886354
I'm sure the dude confused it for a beret which is why he bought it

>>7886295
>>7886296
A lot of art teachers have no real creative spark (as shown in a lack of style) because they are more likely to have undiagnosed OCD. While artists tend to have overlapping neurodivergencies, you can organize them by conditions...and a lot of patterns now become very obvious this way:

>Autistic artists are almost always fetish artists (sexual or nonsexual) and they tend to read a lot. Visionary types. The sort of artist to either stagnate for years or make dramatic improvements within months. They come up with weird and imaginative ideas. Soft (but serious) and gentle eyes.
>Dyslexic/dyscalculic artists are "born artistically gifted" and have higher visual-spatial processing and 3D visualization skills. Fantastic at drawing from imagination. Great sculptors...but they suck at writing, struggle with reading, and may not understand certain technical aspects of art. Bad at spelling. Bright and manic eyes.
>OCD artists are great at learning the technical skills of art and teaching it but are too anxious/stressed out to develop a strong sense of style. Almost always concept artists. Very rigid and stiff in how they learn and expect things to be. Cloudy eyes and normie-passing.

I've learned more from putting on Dave Rapoza's and Dan Warren's on in the background than I have from any career Youtuber.

>>7886354
>>7886367
People still wear it today. You can wear one and no one's really gonna give a shit.

>>7886522
they might give you a copper shilling for today's newspaper tho

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>>7886281
what do you call this phenotype?

>>7886281
I dont mind the grifters since you have to choice of watching them, but the ones in public sectors like education needs to deleted from this earth like my middle school art teacher.
FUCK YOU MS. KELESY ROT IN HELL WORTHLESS DIVORCED BITCH.

>>7886305
I thought this was the third thread about this guy from the topic. He's cringe sure but at some point people have got to let it go and get back to drawing.

>vendetta drama thread
Can't stop thinking about beg artists masquerading as coaches and tutors for normalfags!
I'm outraged. I care about my hekking normalfags so much.

>>7886582
You think you're cool? I don't even know what thread I'm on

>>7886524
>>7886522
Or they also could think that you're a larper retard trying to be "cool" lol

>>7886501
oh shit..

>>7886556
There are fine art professors that can't draw
They call themselves contemporary artists

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>>7886281
I used to feel arrogantly feel the same way about people like Jazza, Mikeymegamega, and the average 3/10 artist on Jewtube that acts like they know what they're talking about and are in a position of thinking that they can teach people their shitty way of drawing, but honestly, they're actually useful.
The average normie doesn't waste months and years looking for "the perfect way of learning to draw" or "the perfect anatomy/perspective/painting course" and even more months hoarding and begging for a bazillion courses, unlike /ic/. The average normie just sits down, tries to draw, has more or less fun drawing what they want, and they either evolve into learning from better teachers or just stick as hobbyists who simply find joy in drawing, and people like Jazza or Marc Brunet are usually are the ones who kicks them off into drawing even with just a little bit of knowledge in what to do.

>>7887054
The average viewer of Jazza doesn't draw, retard. It's not about drawing, it's about consuming content, do you think the average person watching the survivalist channels ever sleeps outside? You think the average person watching quantum physics and ZOMG BLACK HOLES SOLVED!?!? videos being pumped out every other day tries to solve physics problems? Are you retarded or something? How many people watching PC88 vidya content do you believe play PC88 games?

>>7887054
Agreeing with the other anon, YouTube/TikTok/Twitter/(4chan) is literally digital cocaine, designed to keep you in its ecosystem. You don't make it big on art-tube by successfully convincing people to actually draw. These people are doomscrolling not drawing or doing anything productive. Hey I'm not above it either, I'm doing a bit of it right now, but I can tell you my doomscrolling is a totally separate practice from my art, there's less than zero connection, two fully distinct modes and mental states.

>>7886653
they'll think that if you ever wear anything that isnt a graphic tee and jeans so it doesn't really matter, just dress how u want

>>7887073
not true, there's a difference between dressing stylishly and wearing a costume because you're larping as an 18th century gentlesir, not that an artist would grasp the nuance

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I dunno, I followed his eye tutorial today and I was pretty happy with it. I recognize him as a YouTuber type but I'm at the point where even shitters would be helpful for learning what I need to know

>>7886554
Californian, very high concentration of westward frontier euro admixture

I've never watched a youtube art tutorial but I'm sure they're okay for people who don't care about going pro. its kinda like people who don't realize they're getting scammed by ransomware that masquerades itself as a potential support desk, eventually their personal perceived problem has magically fixed itself before they get bored and move on to something else even though it came at a cost (money and/or time)
i do know that there are people like this who exist to teach something that's pretty much intended for professional work (game design) and everyone I've met who relies on those game design videos and books are massive retards and can't design themselves out of the basic problem of "game not fun"

>anon still doesn't get it
There is no objective art skill if you're drawing for appeal. If you're doing technical art like product design or diagrams or something, or photorealism, then sure. But if you're a creative artist? Literally nobody gives a fuck if it's technically good or bad. Technical skill can help with appeal, yes, but it doesn't guarantee it, nor does lack of it inherently mean less appeal. These instructors find success because people like looking at their art. Their followers aren't picking it apart, nitpicking proportions ot the solidity of the forms, they just look at it, like it, and want their own art to look more like the art they like. You can kick and scream all you want, but if somebody looks at a technically skilled instructor's art and their first reaction is "meh, that's boring looking," they aren't going to bother following them or listening to their instruction. And you know what? There's a good chance that they too will wind up drawing more appealing art than somebody who forces themselves to learn from a more skilled but less appealing artist.
>inb4 "hi [whichever YouTuber you think I am]"

>wall of cope
ain't reading any of that lol

>>7887499
Technical skill is the opiate of permabegs, since it offers the promise of just having to learn some laundry list of things which will result in people liking their art. No talent required, no natural artistic eye, just wading through theories and studies until they come out the other side, now producing art that people want to look at. I used to be the same way, looking at more successful artists and noting all the things they were doing wrong that I would never fuck up in a published work (shit like backward hands), only to realize that the average art consumer does not give a fuck, and that for whatever reason, their art just looks better to the average viewer.

>>7887325
I'm not >>7887129 but are you fucking blind or what? And yes, I meant that pun. Other than that weird white streak near the tear ducts, the painting looks good

>>7887531
lol

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>>7887519
>These instructors find success because people like looking at their art.
Lol. Lmao even.
Normalfags absolutely eat up photorealism like crazy.
>waow ohemgee you maed a pictrue taht looks liek a pohtograhf?
>Wow thast's crazy yuor so talented :O
They absolutely are easily impressed by "technical skill"- or the appearance of such, because photorealism is one of the lowest skill ceiling artforms out there. It's a bit telling that you list photorealism as being technical.
The faggot in the OP is exactly what you're describing too, for that matter. All technical skill (middling as it may be), little to no soul. As a matter of fact I'd say a majority of art education tubers possess more technical skill than quality of expression, and their entire grift revolves around teaching technical skill in five easy steps become an art god in just five minutes a day, so, you know. Your thesis is actually just blatantly profoundly wrong, you're utterly divorced from reality, and additionally you are retarded. Normalniggers are ignorant and don't have real developed taste. Jazza doesn't appeal to them because his art knocks their socks off. Same goes for this Temu art tube Mr. Beast pulled from the hellish depths of the uncanny valley with a smile that doesn't reach his eyes. They watch these art themed entertainers for the c o n t e n t. They are consumers of slop.

>>7887639
>photorealism
>not technical
It is the epitome of technical, since your goal is rote copying of an existing image, no creativity involved.

jackie droujko Is particularly bad.

>>7886554
In my experience youtuber/online teachers are not inherently teachers. Due to just being online they are inherently influencers because of the short appeal of new content, and the vast sea of people you are competing against. Like the other anon pointed out with the reddit commenter who went trending, I saw his post and saw his profile had a link to his youtube/socials. Because of the way social media works they have to go out of their way to find students. This is why, despite whatever opinions on academia, I like art professors at the university level. You have to go to them instead, and from what I've parsed of mine when I've taken classes with them, they're exceptionally good at observing art, and in the case of the classroom seeing your art and the flaws that are holding you back. Maybe not the best at seeing their own, but good at spotting other peoples. That's if you wanna shill out the money in uni for that, though, and my experience is with US public uni teachers, which is still pretty low in the barrel.
I like books more than youtube tutorials too. I think their strength is not in content, I mean they can be, but the real strength is that its all self contained information and you're just stuck with that book in front of you, whatever is within the pages. Not like online content where you can just get flooded with nothing but tutorial after tutorial, "here's FIVE things you are doing WRONG with your art", "10 tips to get YOU better INSTANTLY". It's all drivel compared to just focusing on a single book's content.

>>7887322
He is EXACTLY californian, I know where that painting is, that's one of the rich houses on the coast of malibu. Don't ask me for proof I'm too lazy to find where, just trust me.

>>7887129
Imagine being such a posh git you date your drawings. Might as well write Picasso in cursive as well.

That guy who makes the "common mistake" shorts then draws the ugliest, pointiest anime girl you'll ever see

>>7887880
Not him but I can tell you're way too self conscious and don't value your art, which will severely retard your growth in the long run. Because I dated even beg scribbles from 8 years back, I now can open up all my old sketchbooks, put them in chronological order, and know the exact dates I did things, and see the amazing progress I've made, and the little insights gained along the way shown clearly in each improvement.
Date your art.

>>7888372
pyw, let's see what 8 years of dating your sketchbooks does for you

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>>7888376
Oldest thing I have saved
current here >>7887877

>>7888380
big oof

>>7888380
I pray this kind of “progress” never finds me. What the hell were you doing for 8 years anon? Did you draw once a month? Jesus dude

>>7888402
You definitely won't even reach that level

>>7888420
I surpassed you a long time ago, permabeg

>>7888427
Proof?

>>7888431
it's true, he mogs you hard
I know because you suck

>>7888454
>he
pyw

>>7888463
you sound upset lol

>>7888468
When a man realizes he didn’t even escape beg after 8 years he’s going to crash out. Understandable ngl

>>7888372
>>7888380
A reminder to never listen to anyone’s advice on ic. It could be coming from a guy like this

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>>7888480
Boy did I incur the wrath of /beg/ with that one. Do you seriously think I'm wrong to tell you "date your art"? What the fuck lol?

>>7888482
no john, you are the /beg/s

>>7888483
This is why you don't improve. Best luck to you anyway.

>>7888482
I think your advice is actually sound. Dating your art can be great for watching improvement. That being said, I don’t know what you did with your 8 years, but it definitely wasn’t drawing. Your latest post looks like it was done 9 months after your first. Go back to beg, lad. Maybe actually draw sometimes in the next 8 years.

>>7888484
why are you talking to yourself?

>>7888493
I think this board is exceedingly negative most of the time - negativity, animus as driving force. So people stagnate because art causes them pain, and people instinctively avoid pain. I thought it was absurd that some random idiot was clowning on this guy for something inoffensive as dating his art, so I took his (your?) bait. I guess I forgot where I was.
I never posted in /beg/, and never will. Gargle my nuts.

>>7888497
>I never posted in /beg/, and never will
If you had, maybe you'd have graduated from it. Eight fucking years LMOA

>>7888482
I think you're being gaslit by crabs, or by severe autists lacking theory of mind who wouldn't understand why not all artists aspire to draw convincingly japanese anime waifus. Your current art looks great and I can clearly see the sheer improvement in perspective, anatomy and character design.

>>7887078
there actually isnt, the self is purely a construction you choose to make day by day, by wearing a costume you can learn to embody and overtime become "skilled" at the specific cultural language that you are trying to represent, the idea there's a universal concept of stylish is absurd, whatever is cool is what's on the fringes and by the time its codified as such it already becomes lame
in other words, normies will make fun of you if you ever actually try and any ideas of "stylish and respectable" approaches to personal presentation just amount to never fully committing to whatever you like because it weirds them out

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>>7888711
protip: it's not your clothes that everyone makes fun of you for

>>7886281
Bro I don't even want to know how he draws
I want know his fucking gym routine to get arms like that dayum

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>>7886281
I have 38 youtube accounts and I report any shitter who can't draw and tries to grift their way into popularity through "tutorials."

>>7889466
>promotes terrorism
made me lol
based

>>7889466
Pikat can draw tho. She's pretty good

>>7888380
your current illustrations look really good anon, ignore the trolls

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>>7888385
>>7888402
>>7888480
You know I realised this in that retarded "stagnation" thread that's up but I don't think /beg/s are capable of recognising somebody's improvement unless the "before" and "after" have entirely different levels of effort put into them. Shit that i assumed was quite clear like form, anatomy and perspective unironically go over their heads; unless its somebody going from a 5 minute scribble to a 10 hour rendered piece they geniunely can't tell where the improvements are.

>>7889981
>I don't think /beg/s are capable of recognising somebody's improvement unless the "before" and "after" have entirely different levels of effort put into them.

Yeah, I was going to comment on this (Before the captcha filter'd me), his improvement doesn't seem that bad- in fact there's not enough information to judge this person because the current pic is a stylized caveman. His anatomy and understanding of shape and form definitely improved, but I think because of the /beg/s thinking that all art progress is linear and you don't draw people in voids after year 4 they shit on him.

>>7887670
Those long and boring youtube tutorials have a similar strength , It's more or less a small "book" in video format.
Honestly those 10 min videos which 99% of the time have the most basic bitch advice are a /beg/ trap. Also they don't suffer from the "pushed by the algorithm because it has high retention/eazily digestable instead of actual use" to the same extent because the videos usually do not compete on this front to the same extent.

>>7887880
God forbid someone date their art.

>>7888380
huge improvement, not sure what those other replies are. Anyone who doesn't draw generic anime style riles up the permabeg shitposters.

If you combined the old soul of your past drawings with the form of your current drawings, then you'd tuly be good. Thats what being good at art is, having technical skill AND good style.

>>7889644
You just want to fuck anon be honest it's all frens here

>>7889981
>>7890458
Nobody said he hadn't improved, but for 8 years from /beg/ when improvement is the fastest, it's a joke. You could literally get two degrees starting over from scratch in that time, what are you smoking?

>>7890831
There's only so much you can show from two character illustrations on a piece of paper anon, and from what i've seen yeah that's reasonable progress for that amount of time. If you disagree feel free to post an example of what you think real improvement looks like over a similar amount of time.

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>>7890458
>>7890710

>>7890885
https://www.deviantart.com/daverapoza
Literally just check any non-shitter's timeline

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>>7890919
idgi what did you wanna prove with this

Do you realize not everyone wants to draw spehs marines? Literally mercwip shit.

>>7890926
Because you're a permabeg lol

>>7890901
The fuck you I am coping? ( >>7890710 )
I didn't even comment on his improvement.

DESU he seems a little stagnant for 5 years but there are clear improvements his forms and anatomy albeit his style hardly changed and at a glance they seem almost identical. Granted I am trying to compensate for not being a fan of his cartoonish artstyle, nor I'm I that good at skill rating cartoonish styles.

>>7890957
>copes aggressively