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How do you make drawing more fun? I like the idea of being an artist.

I still cant understand why a fat horse.

>>7909300
I haven't draw at all

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Trying to understand

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how the fuck do you learn proportions or observational drawing without doing boring shit like still life or grid drawing??

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lmao I accidentally clicked back and responded to the op on the last thread
nice op image op

>>7909311
The scrotum?

>>7909317
You are supposed to do measuring/sighting, using pencil. Checking out which things line up also helps.
You can read more about it in KtD

>>7909317
yeah if you find out a solution, you better make it an art course lmao

>>7909320
>KtD
What is this?

>>7909330
First book from the list in the OP

>>7909332
I'll check it out, thanks.

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>>7909319
I would say that's a much simpler and easier structure

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Sketched this at work. Do I have talent?

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>>7907934
didn't see new thread, yeah I should spend more time correcting my figures

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First go at a character idea. I think I need to buy a new pen for her skin, it came out too dark and it also photographs weird, but eh.

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>>7909375

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>>7909376
and page 1 WIP of comic experiment

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Azalith from aqw.

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Page 2

>>7909341
Work scribbles are always peak soul

>>7909333
NTa anon, but you'll be doing some still life and life drawing through out KtD. All of it. Still lifes are pretty much unavoidable.

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Very gradually getting back to drawing

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>>7909466
Yea, I checked it out. It was hard to read and super boring. I'll try to figure something else out on my own. There's no way every single good artist out there forced themselves through this lame shit.

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>draw with a quick sketch/gesture on a layer below
>ends up stiff and lame
>draw freehand
>looks a bit better but i feel like I have 0 control over what gets drawn (ends up being a naked muscular man 99% of the time)
this sucks
>>7909377
I love the buildings here

>>7909506
kazuyer

>>7909300
YES! made it to OP a second time, thanks OP. Rise thicc gang >:3

I like we all just rejected that new sticky

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Took me a few tries but I'm proud of this face. It doesn't really look like the photo much, but it doesn't look like shit.

There was a big dersert cetipade in my room is there any fucking advices /ic/ can give me? I dont where is it i missed it i am fucking scared

>>7909566
You're such a failtroll. Come up with something original to troll.

>>7909553

I love out of all the notes you could have for yourself, you chose probably the least relevant to the face

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am i getting it yet

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>>7909575
pg 2.

>>7909575
>>7909580
Good light and shadow shapes are so huge for appeal, nice work.

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So keys to drawing and Right side basically have the same goal with similar exercises. Is that correct?

>>7909663
Right side of the brain is riddled with nonsense about left and right brain halves. And it has SO MUCH pointless yapping about it you'd think this woman wanted to be a psychologist. Pick keys to drawing which has none of that shit and about the same exercises and save yourself the headache of having to navigate the ramblings of a woman deep into pseudoscientific bullshit

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feets are weird

>>7909317
>how the fuck do you learn proportions or observational drawing without doing boring shit like still life or grid drawing??
you ask how to learn drawing without drawing anon. Anyway, try to relax and get in the mood i guess.

>>7909341
It's a bit messy but i like how you done shadows.

>>7909359
It's better but looks a bit flat and knee should be higher. Top body looks great tho

>>7909376
>>7909377
very nice

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Gronrila

>>7909401
nice composition, you could work on your lines tho

>>7909553
well done. Head is a bit squished, side should be wider.

>>7909575
great stuff

>>7909594
Face is drawn pretty well, shading needs some work, looks a bit muddy. Some parts are too bright amd some too dark.

>>7909656
I'm not gay enough to judge but I think it'd work better if he weighed on the ropes more, it looks too much like a guy who's paid a twenty to model and not enough like some teenager in a rape dungeon.

Also I think we should see his right elbow somewhere

>>7909680
i wanna fart on it

>>7909680
good job

>>7909680
golira...

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>>7909680
I was just playing Goritaire

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>>7909512
it was gonna be dimitri from vampire saviours but him and kaz basically share a design anyway

>>7909680
Gollira...

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I've settled into this rendering method where I make short strokes with a marker. it's comfortabe to me, but looks meh and too messy, and I can't detail properly. I just want to learn how to render cute girls FUCK

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>>7909687
>>7909691
>>7909692
>>7909694
>>7909703

>>7909719
dis nigga be painting minecraft n shit

>>7909719
Try drawing pixel art.

>>7909719
pixel cute girls and strong men

>>7909739
I can't do better:(
>>7909740
>>7909743
not the direction I wanna go towards

I wanted to post a monkey I drew but I can't find it anywhere
:(

>>7909748
bummer

>>7909750
draw a new monkey

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Another goblin for tonight

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>>7909754
I have found the monkey

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>>7909680
This is the best I can do :(

>>7909448
>I hate myself
You belong, you're welcome here.

>>7909759
God I wish fantasy races were real and numerous, especially goblins.

>>7909759
I really like it, good job

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>>7909575
>>7909759
mogs me

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wip

>>7909778
nice

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>>7909785

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graaaave

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>>7909878

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>>7909879

How do you handle there being so many things to master in art, if you want to be a competent artist?

Like each and every part of the human body is its own area to practice, on top of coloring, shading, and posing it all

>>7909679
These are really ugly feet , no sense of rhythm or arcs

>>7909778
Her torso is a bit too long in the abdomen. It's making her head look tiny

>>7909318
Cute face

>>7909663
While the other anons are correct and Right Side has a lot of bs you should just skip, the exercises and instructions for them are much more clear and understandable for a complete prebeg, I found Keys too hard, because exercises go "just draw this fagit lmoa" which doesn't work when you are an absolute prebeg. I did Right Side and skipped 80% of the book and only did exercises and then did Keys and had much better time.

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>>7909300

this is taking me HOURS to draw im so fucking slow, i need to do gesture/fig drawing after this.

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Poke all toads. :D

>>7909894
so she was almost a Jill..hotdog? something is off here.

>>7909778
Gorgeous

>>7909878
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>>7909880
Cool stuff

>>7909886
Well I need to agree haha

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>>7909894
now its looking better

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>>7909894
>>7909914

>>7909914
I feel like your semi-grotesque style demands more cock detail. fatter veins that that break up the silhouette of the shaft, strong hatching, stuff like that

>>7909914
Hahah bro you were inspired by netenyahu moloch drawing right?

>>7909925
i dont know who netenyahu is

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I am refining my IFRM method further.

Instead of spending a WHOLE WEEK on a single drawing, micro-correcting each stroke, I have condensed it down just to what I NEED at the moment. Right now, I need proportion.

>1. Basic Line Control (DrawABox Lessons 1-1 to 1-4)
>2. Proportions 2D (IFRM | Copying Anime | Etc.)
>!!! YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO COPY 2D IMAGES WITH DECENT ACCURACY BEFORE MOVING ON. IF YOU CANNOT COPY 2D WELL, YOU ARE GOING TO WASTE YOUR TIME LEARNING THE FUNDAMENTALS. MOST ASPIRING ARTISTS DON'T EVEN MAKE IT TO THIS POINT AND RUSH TO THE FUNDIES WHICH IS WHY THEY QUIT SO EARLY !!!
>3. Form (DAB Lessons 1-5 to 1-11)
>4. Proportions 3D
>5. (etc.)

I tried to apply proportion by literally tracing over an image and found it to be an impossible task. This is for two reasons.

1. I haven't drawn enough (strategically).

2. I haven't learned form (properly).

Trying to draw from life or 3D is skipping a bunch of steps and you'll just end up falling on your face a bunch of times. You can, like I always say, bruteforce your way into competence. For instance, you can ban training wheels for a child and they will EVENTUALLY learn to ride a bike after fifty gashes and wounds. But it's better to just put the training wheels, let them get comfortable with the general feel of the bike, and only have to deal with them falling two or three times before they get the hang of it.

That's what learning proportions in 2D first before moving onto 3D does for us. Instead of going through hundreds of frustrating drawings, we first refine our ability to analyze in 2D so that when we move onto 3D, we don't struggle as much.

As always, I'm my own guinea pig. I will be taking my own advice and applying it to my own workflow to verify it's effectiveness and then updating here based on my results. This is more helpful for /beg/ in my opinion because I'm not just guessing at what might work, I'm testing and verifying what actually works as a /beg/ myself.

been a /beg/ for 7 years (strategically)

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>>7909300
getting better at painting
a ghost without pants lol

>>7909948
post art

>>7909913
Nice hips

>>7909885
> A man on a thousand mile walk has to forget his goal and say to himself every morning, 'Today I'm going to cover twenty-five miles and then rest up and sleep.'
t. Tolstoy

>>7909490
What do you even want to draw?

>forced
You might not be as interested in this whole drawing thing as you might think. Food for thought.

>>7909978
What the fuck was the point of this reply other than a backhanded attempt at crabbing?

>>7909987
Asking them what they want to draw. Also the implication that they may view drawing in of itself as a chore if they must force themselves to do it.

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>>7909914
whatever one day i will end it.

>>7910002
your life or the drawing?

>>7909993
The implication is to stop drawing because you feel like you're forcing yourself. Except this is non-advice, meaningless, and unhelpful. I will concede that asking someone their reason for drawing is something they should think about but something tells me its just pasted in there to really say the second part, which is basically to give up.

This doesn't align with the actual previous post anyway as it was specifically mentioned that "drawing boring shit" (like still life) feels like forcing oneself, not that drawing in itself is boring.

>>7910006
>How do I do this thing?
Here are some exercises and resources related to that thing
>Yeah that's boring, I'm not going to do that

NTA but you can't really help people like that

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>want to draw a tank
>the entire process requires you to draw geometry to the point where all you see is just lines and planes
how's this fun, man

>>7910003
??? what did i do to you?

>>7909945
u r welcome to observe my struggles in /asg/ as they are in line with what u decribed

>1. Basic Line Control (DrawABox Lessons 1-1 to 1-4)
I've found out from my own exp that ghosting is useful for line accuracy on fineliner + paper but useless on digital. Like only useful form of "ghosting" a line in digital is to draw it then ctrlz several times. My guess is it stems from:
1) different friction of pen's nib
2) different perception of moving cursor vs actually drawing a line. Maybe my eyes are functioning wrong but when I move cursor in CSP fast enough I stop seeing it, so I lose it's trajectory. But drawing a line is different - I see it as it grows in realtime. Maybe that's just because a line is a lot bigger and higher contrast to me eyes than a cursor.

>>7910011
>want to draw
>have to draw
Fuck this dude

>>7910011
Brother that's closer to technical drafting and industrial design. Which, is actually really fucking amazing for helping you internalize perspective and construction, but you don't need to be that autistic about construction in most cases. If anything that's only for more rigorous and focused one in a while studies if you're really trying to crack down on your draftsmanship. The only reason you'd be drawing in that manner all the time is if you were some kind of mechanical draftsman.

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>>7910011
Only if you want to do it as autistically as Scott does it. The understand and principles of the techniques are more important. Exercises can be done on a small scale for big gains. Take texture for instance. If I'm drawing an orange and I'm interested in learning how to render the skin. I can literally just do some 5 to 10 minute paintings to isolate just painting texture. It's the same with perspective drawing. Most of the techniques can be explored in isolation, and used with a bit more intuition in drawing what you want. The reason why it's important for Scott to do it that way constantly through the book (aside for the love of the game) is to be as explicit as can be for the reader/student.

Pic related was me trying to figure out texture for brushed metal, bit of a rougher pounded metal, and chain links. this was a couple of years back. The goal is to find a pattern so that you can work less to convey the necessary info.

>>7910011
they are complex 3d forms in perspective. that means they are hard to draw well since you need a lot of skills. breaking them down analytically helps you to develop the skills you need. in the long run it's worth it to get to your goal of drawing tanks quicker. especially if you wanna be able to draw them from different angles or combine multiple references.

>>7910011
The entire point of those exercises is the structure of the hard surface object above all else. Autistically so. Called hard surface design. That specific method is basically manual 3d modeling of a hard surface structure, or, the most complex form of hard surface design. So unless you absolutely need to have the structure of that hard surface design be perfect, or need to internalize that for some project or reference, then it's really more like a thing you should do every so often. I guess a good comparison would be like extreme HIIT training at the gym. You don't do those shits every day, they'd fucking wreck you, but if you spread out the training, it can yield tangible benefits.

>>7910037
I'd spray you with a water bottle if I could you whore. Your punishment is drawing a technical breakdown of dis hard surface. Get to it.

>>7910008
Nope, good try.
>How do I do thing without the boring parts?
>You literally can't. It's completely impossible, don't even try. Just give up.
I find it difficult to believe that MUST do still life drawing to get good at drawing in general. Not to mention, we don't even have proof that it works. It's just a, "this is what I did" but without concrete evidence showing that one's work did actually improve solely from the still life drawing. That's my point in questioning it. If there was concrete evidence for it, showing exactly what it actually improves and showing how there's literally no other way to do it, then sure, I would have no choice. But I just don't see how this is the case when I see artists post their old artwork before they started fundies and it doesn't even look that bad.

>>7910048
>But I don't WANT to eat my vegetables
Niggas will really write essays about the nature of truth and the impossibility of proving anything instead of doing a 20 minute exercise and seeing if it helps them

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>>7910026
If someone told you that you drawing old saggy man balls is necessary to be able to draw beautiful young women, you'd also feel like you HAVE to draw the old saggy man balls. Yes, some things suck to draw. Not all of us want to draw the whole fucking world like Feng Zhu.
>>7910020
I'll pin ASG and take a look.
As for the line exercises, how long have you been drawing digitally?
When I first started drawing 7 years ago I forced myself to do 50 hours of tracing anime and by the 40th or 45th hour there was no difference between drawing digitally and drawing traditionally. I sort of lost that and am trying to get it back. I did have an Intuous 3 at the time which I got for $22 in 2019. Motherfuckers charging $63 for that shit now. Anyway, see if it's the tablet too. I have an Intuous Small and I fucking hate drawing on it. I just ordered an Intuous Pro from eBay and an Intuous 3 again.
>>7910051
I've already done still life drawings and find it boring. Pic related is the first one I did and then I did a few more after. I'll try to do more but I fucking hate doing them and don't see much difference between that and just doing my IFRM drawings.

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Bonnibel is showing off.

Would like to if someone of you will upload it on rule34

>>7910060
who is bonnibel

>>7910058
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that still life is the most exciting topic either to look at or produce. But if you actually made an effort to understand why studying them might help improve your drawings of guns or anime titties or whatever, instead of just malding all over the thread, you probably wouldn't find them nearly so "boring"

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Rate my unfinished sketch

>>7910058
It's not like you need to draw old man balls every day of your life. Chin up buttercup and get to drawing.

>>7910067
kinda cute. ref?

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first drawing in half decade
my back hurts, my eyes dry

>>7910002
>YES

>>7910093
> my back hurts
time to exercise, you lazy, stinky, fat titted slut

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Saw fun pose ref, attempted fun pose. Voila

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>>7910086

I consistently choose the worst poses, worst angles, worst objects known to man and I deserve every ounce of my suffering

>>7910087
No ref but I was kind of imagining Bjork but with Princess Peach lips

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i have a couple classes downloaded but i wonder, if i'm more into realistic art, should I even bother with anime/cartoon artists? i fuck with the artstyle in the pic for example
but i feel like facial structure, expression and such is quite different between both realistic and anime no?

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>>7909318
pretty
>>7909879
sick
>>7910136
ngnghgh
>>7910104
AHAHHA

>>7910093
This is mental illness

>>7909945
anon, it seems like you've got an ally
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKLDYixdT2Q

>>7910136
sexo, do more
>>7910139
you can't get out of Chelyaba

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>>7909300
https://youtu.be/rNPV92MXcvo

>>7910136
Pomnographic material

>>7910060
Sick stuff bro
Got any tips on how to render. I feel I'm getting good at drawing but kinda lost on how to practice rendering.
Are there any good tutorials out there?

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>>7910145
FUCKING FINALLY.
Someone who knows what they're talking about.

He's right about artists erroneously attaching utmost importance to boxes and perspective because they already could draw well from reference.

Marshall Vandruff mentioned this.
Before he learned perspective he was able to draw very well from reference but struggled from imagination. Perspective is what gave him that eureka moment. He specifically mentions Loomis.

That's why Loomis is constantly shilled on here. It's because those artists actually did benefit from him but they only did so because they ALREADY knew how to draw well from reference. They weren't struggling with basic observational skills. So Loomis was easy to understand.

The average /beg/ here can't draw from reference and that is precisely what is holding them back. Unironically, /asg/ users are more likely to make it than /beg/ because they focus on observation (through copying anime).

I'm going to check out more of this guy's videos.

Thanks for sharing!

>>7909359
Hey wolf bro
How were you able to get good at figure drawing
I mean you draw the same each time but you do it so well you seem to have a good understanding of anatomy?
What did you study exactly to get this good

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I spent 5 hours on this shit and still couldn't get any results. Neither references, nor gestures, nor Loomis, nothing helped.

>>7909318
I like it
sloppy blowjob with same expression would be very nice

>>7910173
What kind of result was expected?

>>7910166
>Unironically, /asg/ users are more likely to make it than /beg/ because they focus on observation (through copying anime)
The same /asg/ haunted by permabegs trying to find this one totally legit chink method to draw for years? And the method turns out to be a repackaged Loomis/Hampton/Hamm? That /asg/? How retarded do you need to be to not understand that nothing prevents you from both drawing from reference and learning basic proportions and construction at the same time? Though there's no need to answer that question since your tirades make it apparent anyway

>>7910180
i need to figure out how to draw dicks, thank you. hopefully soon. then I will draw sloppy anime head
>>7910145
I will. thank you
>>7910139
monkey improving

crazy how some people literally tell you that references are a bad thing

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>>7910145
>>7910166

But I'm a beginner, I'm not good at drawing and I don't know how to. How am I supposed to know how to start when literally every person say something different.

>Just draw boxes bro
>Just draw from life bro
>Just do exercises for 40h hours bro
>Just copy your fav artist bro
>Just copy Loomis bro
>STOP COPYING LOOMIS BRO

At this pace I will go insane before I learn how to draw

>>7910210
You will never be an artist, so just give up.

>>7910213
It was never my goal, I just want to draw cute things/characters so I can feel closer to them

>>7910210
Just draw (what you top draw whether that be copying or studies).

>>7910210
Say just draw things you really want to draw vs just draw things you like/appealing to you
you


What advice is better?

>>7910210
Just be talented or it's over
>>7910173

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sk8ter

>>7910139
holy shit monkey is actually trying more challenging stuff

>>7910067
feels like you have an idea of how to draw a face, a head and hair but trouble making them fit well together

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>>7910048
It's not a must, but still life subjects are so much less complex than a portrait. It makes isolating a conceptual layer a lot easier. The point is often that they are simpler. You seem interested in portraits, the plaster casted simple skull in pic related would be good for heads. You can find plenty of images just like it on pinterest. 20 minutes a day of blocking-in a subject does a lot of good. It beats reinventing the wheel. Just follow a beginner drawing course and draw cute shit that's easy to draw. Just stick to line drawing for now until you get a solid grasp of it. Things of the complexity in pic related is should be a fine level.

>You literally can't. It's completely impossible
Nobody said this.

>>7909945
Take a look at the reference here. It's pretty hard to draw when the lighting is this soft. Stick to scenes lit with a strong direct light source. You'll know it's directly lit when you can see strong cast shadows.

>>7910210
>How am I supposed to know how to start when literally every person say something different
This happens when you ask for feedback from more than 1 person. It's up to you to figure it out unless you have a mentor or you choose just 1 person to listen to for advice. Same thing happens in any endeavor. 5 people will give you 5 or 10 different things that are wrong with what you're doing. Do your best and think critically.

>>7910145
unfortunately ;-;
>>7910204
:DDD
thank u frend <3
>>7910222
yeah >3
its been a while since i actually challenged myself XD

>>7910222
awesome

>>7910058
>As for the line exercises, how long have you been drawing digitally?
120-150 hrs ig
As for the tablet: this is the same exercise on different hardware
Inspiroy frego M
https://files.catbox.moe/tsw88j.mp4
kamvas pro 19 (20-25 hrs in total with this device so this maybe the reason why it feels more alien to me than frego, and angled surface too)
https://files.catbox.moe/zqyej1.mp4
pencil on paper, no ghosting, each line is first and only attempt, no paper rotation
https://files.catbox.moe/q2cptr.jpg
fineliner on paper, same conditions as for pencil
https://files.catbox.moe/42hhvz.jpg

>>7909300
lmao
so good

>>7909575
>>7909580
interesting style, very clean

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>>7910011
>how's this fun, man

It kinda depends a lot on what you are aiming for, I think. If you want to do schematic perfect 100% accurate renditions of tanks, then Im afraid you will need to embrace the geometry behind it. Now, you could approach it from a more flexible pov(which does not remove the geometry factor completely but at least 'softens' it) and try to put apart the tank in question so it almost becomes like symbol drawing, in a way.

So the idea is that once you become used to the individual parts, you might feel more comfortable drawing the entire thing just by putting the pieces back together. For example, look at Metal Slug's approach to their machines/vehicles, theyre exaggerated and rounded/softened forms as opposed to the hard angles and straight lines that you'd naturally see on real tanks, nevertheless they still convey the idea of tank, albeit more cartoony.

This whole exercise might still not be fun to go through but it is a way to get there.

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>>7910027
>>7910029
>>7910275
I'll give the geometry autism a try. After all, I do wanna make illustrations a la Tamiya, TAKOM, Border Models and such. I'm aware that some artists do use 3D for their boxarts, but it's still good reference material.
However, I don't wanna kill myself on the attempt, so I'm gonna see what's up and also watch Scott's class about it.
Maybe I could make it easier on myself by just drawing the main shapes and go over it that way. Obviously perspective is something I'll have to go through either way since I love landscape art.

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I draw cartoonish furries, but decided to draw a human. How did I do? I don't like this and I can't put my finger on it as to why.

>friend scolds me because I took a reference but didn't straight up copy it 1:1 since I did a different take on the person's look
isnt the whole point of taking a reference just there to help you out and guide you thru if you don't wanna 1:1 replicate it like studies do?

>>7910288
Needing validation on some imageboard is a 109% sure-fire ngmi symptom. To get good you need to learn for yourself. You are no better than a howie.

>>7910291
?

>>7910285
That's good. I like your thick brushstrokes.
There's some notably saturated blues on the mountain on the right and while that color really works with the overall palette, I would've killed it a bit. Not completely mind you, because that's a good hue to tint your light areas. Some more attention could also have been given to the sky in the form of slightly more defined cloud covering, the foreground could have benefited from a bit more vegetation too in order to reinforce the sense of depth.
But overall, I dig it, it's very pleasant to look at, it's even a bit impressionistic.

>>7910287
it's the jawline being too wide and the ear is pushed far back
also the zygomatic bone is way too thick i think

>>7910296
Oh yeah, I see what you mean. Especially with the jaw.
What about the rendering or styling? I feel like even if it was all anatomically correct, it would be doody.

>>7910300
I'm still giga new into drawing altogether but I can see the rendering as alright, except for the fact that there's not stronger darks, especially on the left side of the face where there should be a lot of darkness concentrated. At least in the lid crease where there's always some darkness compared to the rest of the face.
I feel like the colors are fine but it does lack on contrast and color variation. The highlights are all fine I think.

>>7910161

Thanks!

https://gofile.io/d/lRKkJb

https://gofile.io/d/801BQa

>>7910301
would it kill u to just draw something normal
like a cat or a plant

I’m giving up drawing forever APRIL FOOLS

>>7910330
Why so mad at that anon?

>>7910330
Those are too hard to draw

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Rough sketch

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How's body gesture?

>>7910376
gesture is gesture
if it works it works

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Drew for the first time in a while
How is it?

>>7910391
too much glow fx, too many competing focal points

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>>7909401
How do I render this? Pic rel is the original but idk how to render gold / bronze.

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I need to work on clothes and how it wrinkles more, but I think I can hands at least

>>7910100
I like this a lot, only criticism is the newspaper hand looks a little too small even with the perspective. If there was something else to reinforce the angle it may not look so off imo
>>7909813
The weathering on the gravestone is nice, the stylizing on the foliage too. Idk about the pixel art flower though, looks like a png shopped over top
>>7910391
I agree with >>7910393 , but I like the hard light combined with the glow. Just needs to be toned down a little. The energy sword in the back looks really good with the electric crackles around it though

I have some questions:

how do you guys draw facial expressions? do you remembering all of the names of those expressions? do you have some kind of facial expression sheet? do you invent? do you need a good understanding of facial muscles?

>>7910408
I make the face and draw the emotion

>>7910419
emotion =/ facial expression

what are these """" "Just Draw" don't work"""" fags do when they realized they actually need to draw everything. shape design, accuracy, perspective all of those fundamentals requires "Just Draw" thing without doing "Just Draw" how do you learn to draw? reading books 10 books on how to hold pencil? typing (X, Y) coordinates into a computers? watching 100 shorts on tips and tricks? No. you need "Just Draw" what ever the shit you want for everything.

so """" "Just Draw" don't work"""" fags contradicting their own argument.

>>7910448
Seething 'how to learn drawing' youtuber detected.

>>7910422
u mean you've never made yourself feel the emotion that makes you have facial expression than you then draw? many artists relate to this. there are even memes about it

>>7910448
Oh you want a reality check faggot? The reason people say just draw is because most people asking for "help" don't want "help" they want somebody to do all the mental leg work for them. It's mental laziness. Don't be surprised when laziness is met with the same energy bitch.

>>7910457
yeah people will ask the same question that's been asked 10000 and answered 10000 times in the thread. if someone cant be bothered to search for resources on their own or ask specific questions why the fuck should i provide them with specific resources or specific answers? thats what a paid instructor is for. like i do this every so often and every time it's mentally exhausting because the people asking these questions are expecting you to hold their hand through entire process and think through problems they should be thinking through themselves. people are much more willing to help those are are clearly self driven and ask pointed questions. it shows that they have the ability to self assess and learn. instead of the "HURR DURRR ERNNN IM 26 AND WANT TO BECUM A PROFESSIONAL IN 3 YEARS WHAT DO???"

like bro you dont even know what the fuck your goal is if you're saying that and if you did you sure as fuck would be asking much more specific questions than that.

>>7910448
Shut up and just draw

>>7910457
stop calling me faggot you faggot

>The reason people say just draw is because most people asking for "help" don't want "help" they want somebody to do all the mental leg work for them. It's mental laziness. Don't be surprised when laziness is met with the same energy bitch.
agreed. """ "Just Draw" don't work"""" fags still contradicting their arguments all the time.

>" Just Draw " is a bullshit advice
>but you need to draw X

Fucking all the time contradicting their stupid if I say """ "Just Draw" don't work"""" I might appear smarter than everyone is very egotistic thing to do. misleading every beginner dragging them into darkness and they get lost can't figure out what to do next.

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>>7910448
"Just draw" is essentially just an overcompensation against faggots that are either lazy and expect others to spoonfeed them or read their minds or provide them with that "one easy trick" to achieve their goals. Or suffer from analysis paralysis and are so scared of working through the "wrong" book and wasting time that they don't do any work at all.

Now the problem, and that is where you come in is of course that taken literally and to the extreme, "just draw" is of course also retarded, because if you never invest conscious practice or challenge yourself it easy to arrive at the same dead end as many others who liked to draw as children and did it a lot even as teenager but then stopped once they realized their drawing did not really improve between age 8 and age 17 or something. And that is typically because they never challenged themselves, never learned anything and never critically interacted with what they draw, so they dug themselves into patterns that they just lazily repeat and remix.

So in short both "just draw" and "grind fundies and do exercises" fags have a point. And as always turning stuff like this into some fundamental philosophy is stupid.

>>7910474
Sorry, if you tell someone to just draw and they take that at face value they were never going to amount to anything anyways. The trash filters itself.

>>7910476
yeah, fair

>>7910391
looks cool
read bad

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Do pyramids as a form ever require 3-point perspective? Or can any 3 dimensional rotation of them be adequately portrayed with just 2 vanishing points?

>>7910476
Why even say it in first place then? For the funzies? XD

>>7910490
Why devote any mental effort to somebody that clearly isn't going to invest any mental effort into their own learning and questions? It's like if you walk into a restaurant and say I want to learn how to cook. They'll just be like, okay? Then fucking cook then bitch idfk what you want me to do with that? It's also why most crafts have a shit test to determine if someone is even worth taking under your wing. I think a chef tells you to cook an omelet. What the person does with the basic request tells you multitudes about their aptitude, motivation and skill. On here idk what the shit test is, loomis? Do bridgman twice? I know back in the old days the shit test for an artist would be to have them grind pigments for 12 hours a day. If you complained once you were kicked out. Matter of fact I think ateliers used to make students draw a replica of a plaster cast until it was so perfect they couldn't tell the difference between the marble and their paper.

The point is, why invest time in someone who isn't even invested in the process

>>7910497
nah. the shit test on here is if the person even tried to ctrl + f for the answer to their question or looked at the sticky first lmao. thats how low the bar is and even thats asking too much of most of these fags. the sticky might as well not even exist. like y would u spend 20 minutes trying to help someone when that same person cant even be assed to spend 20 minutes looking for resources or practicing fundies

>>7910489
you need 3 point if you want the pyramid to have consistent height you can of course try to eyeball it.

>>7910448
"just draw" doesn't work on these guys, they have special needs

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is there any plugin or like palettes that limit your color range for kaleido 3 e-ink screen as the final output.

>>7910511
what do you use? csp? ps?

>>7910497
>The point is, why invest time in someone who isn't even invested in the process

But you people are doing that anyway.

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i see now that the wrist/forearm is maybe too thin

>>7910512
I use csp for drawing, ps for painting

>>7910522
Layer>New Adjustment Layer>Posterize> 16 levels, that should be right. I looked up the kaleido 3 and 4096 is the max so 16 levels = 16^3=4096 colors displayed max. This adjustment layer should be at the very top

Then create a layer right underneath it.
Edit>Fill>50% Grey
Change its blending mode to overlay
Filter>Noise>Gaussian Noise (1-3%) + Monochromatic checked

Then save image as a lossless .png.

okay accuracy chads tell me what do i do when i make a mistake
erase and restart? i don't really see how the feedback loop is supposed to work

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I don't know if it's anhedonia or whatever but the past few days have been very difficult to do any drawing. I know what I need to do but actually sitting down to do it is extremely difficult.

I purchased the first volume on Azumanga to help me with this. It's similar to what I want to do. Comic Strips that are simple to understand and read. Like xkcd but with better artwork, if possible. K-On is another good one. I did check out Nichijou and Tsurezure Children (funniest fucking anime I watched btw) but those were closer to Manga than Comic Strips. My taste may change and maybe I would move onto Manga if my skills get close but right now, simple Comic Strips is my goal.

Of course, I need to actually fucking draw which is getting difficult everyday. But at least I know now that I need the ability to draw in 2D first before moving onto the actual fundamentals. I did the opposite and rushed into boxes, form, perspective, anatomy, figure drawing, gesture, portraiture, etc., and obviously, I didn't improve. So, this time I want to approach the fundamentals AFTER I gain confidence in observational drawing.

I know I can do it because six years ago I used to be able to copy anime very well. I did this all within a week but I was copying 10 hours a day that whole week. The reason I didn't keep working on that skill was because I assumed that because I couldn't draw from imagination that I just wasted my time when IN FACT, I had already done exactly what I needed to do to get started learning the fundamentals. Since I learned it so fucking fast, I also forgot it just as quickly. So now I'm here trying to regain that skill I lost.

It takes roughly 50 hours or 150 copies of anime drawings in order to be comfortable with copying. At least this is with my ability. I'm sure people who have talent can get good in half this time.

However, I am using IFRM. I wonder if this method makes learning to observe much faster than 50 hours of copying.

I guess I'll never find out.

>>7910541
drawing 3d/construction is a fundamental though

>>7910202
You don't read my posts so I don't see why you bother replying to them with any form of authority. I've been saying since the first day I've got back here that BRUTEFORCE works but it's not efficient nor effective.
>nothing prevents you from both drawing from reference and learning basic proportions and construction at the same time
This is an example of bruteforce.
If that works for you, great!
But just because you learned to ride a bike without training wheels doesn't mean training wheels are useless.
I know you know this and are just being malicious to trick /beg/s into learning construction when they cannot correctly replicate an angle on a reference or the length of a particular line.

>>7910210
Drawing is a skill that is uniquely pursued as a child. Rarely is it pursued as an adult, unless you count geriatrics. When people draw as children, they pick up certain skills that they then forget about before going onto more advanced fundamentals.

So when you hear an artist say:
>just draw boxes bro
or worst
>just draw bro
You don't see the hundreds of hours they did before that advice actually worked for them. So you assume it's just talent or some secret they're not telling you.

One thing I noticed, without fail, is that each one of these artists NEVER studied the fundamentals before they could draw well. Time and time again I see artists showing their old work before they learned the fundamentals and it mogs 99% of /ic/. It's not until they start learning the fundamentals that their art starts going from "pretty good" to "really good."

>So what is it?
My best guess is that they had the ability to copy before they learned the fundamentals. They could look at something and put it down on their paper with relative accuracy while also making it look nice. It doesn't mean that they have 100% accuracy, it just means that everything is relatively close to where it should be while still remaining appealing.

That's why I'm doing my IFRM method and learning how to copy before going back into the fundamentals. I tried doing boxes, gesture, perspective, anatomy, form, etc. I did all of that and didn't improve. I probably drew well over 2,000 boxes and didn't improve. That's because, I believe, I was missing the fundamental skill of copying. So that's why I'm trying to relearn.

Whether this is accurate is unknown to me yet. I'm still working through it myself. The only thing I can say with confidence is that learning form/perspective/anatomy/fundamentals on their own will not make you better at drawing because it didn't make me any better at drawing. Whether that's because I didn't learn how to copy first is something I need to figure out.

>>7910557
What the fuck does IFRM stand for?

>>7910564
It's a method of making something fireproof

>>7910564
I'm Fucking Retarded, Man.
(Judging from how that anon practices,I think it means Iterative-Focused Repetition Method, )

>>7910557
>deranged pre-beg yammering

>>7910249
The lines look fine to me and you having to undo and redo a line is likely something that will never go away as I see pros do the same shit when drawing digitally. Particularly when it has to be perfectly precise, not when sketching. I don't see a use beyond just getting a decent hang of it, adding it to your 10 minute warm ups, and just moving on. I filled out a ream of straight line exercises and it didn't really help me draw any better. It didn't even give me confidence in drawing, it just gave me confidence to draw a single straight line.
>>7910474
>>7910476
>>7910490
>>7910497
>>7910498
>>7910506
Your inability to effectively teach /beg/ is not a problem that people in /beg/ have, it's a problem that lies within yourself. I notice that all of you malicious "just draw" people have no intention to critique. If that's the case, and all you want to do is post your artwork, see the suitable board below:
>>>/i/
Otherwise, get over it. You're on the critique board. Quit being retarded and acting surprised that people want critique and advice on the fucking critique and advice board.
>>7910542
That's my point.
You're not supposed to study the fundamentals before you learn to copy. That's exactly what I did and--at least from my deduction--why I didn't improve. I did the thousands of gesture and figure drawings, I drew minimum 2,000 boxes, I studied anatomy, I read multiple books on perspective, etc., etc. I did all the "fundamentals" but fundamentals without the ability to observe (copy) is wasted effort, this I am confident in saying because it's my experience.

And as I said multiple times, you CAN always bruteforce your way into competence but that doesn't mean it's the most effective method.
>>7910564
>IFRM
Iterative Feedback Refinement Method
It's checking your work every 1-2 minutes to make sure you're accurate rather than doing the whole drawing first.
>>7910577
>no refutation of points
>no work posted
Show me where I'm wrong

Lil bro is still yapping about his gold-plated IBRAP method while getting mogged by paige of all people.

>>7910580
>no refutation of points
There's nothing to refute,
>fundamentals without the ability to observe (copy) is wasted effort
because you already know you need to work on observation, but instead of doing that you're writing 10,000 word essays crying about how it's hard
>pyw
No, my work is bad

>>7910580
crit from a /beg/ is worthless, your methods don't even work for yourself

can u niggas just draw or post crit

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Regarding straight lines, here's a video of me doing them traditionally to show that I have competence in them. They're okay for warmup but drawing straight lines competently never made me good at drawing which is why I always tell people to not put too much importance in them.

This was after about 300-400 sheets of straight line exercises btw which took about 1-2 years.

>>7910585
>your methods
Every single thing I have done was from other people's methods. I have not done my own "methods" until last month.

I believed in Peter Han, Feng Zhu, Proko, Vilppu, Steve Houston, Brent Eviston, Sycra, MoatDD, MarksDrawingTutorials, Mark Crilley, Jazza, Michael Hampton, Marco Bucci, Karl Gnass, etc.

I thought that if I listened to someone who actually knew about drawing that I would improve. Like /ic/ always says, why bother taking advice from someone who is /beg/? Thus, why bother listening to myself? I'll follow all of these very good artists and get good! Right?!

Well, that didn't happen. And after 7 years of listening to advice and taking it to heart, actually drawing for 10-12 hours a day for months, and other stupid shit, I've decided to do shit on my own. Figure it out myself. I've already given up like 8 times already and I just keep coming back. I just don't like the idea of quitting. So I will eventually figure it out. And at that point, when I do, it won't even be worth coming back to /beg/ to say, "I told you so." Because you disingenuous people are the embodiment of narcissism. Gaslighting is the norm on /beg/ threads and it's not even from people who post their work. It's from faggots like you that need to fuck off and stop shitting up this thread.

>>7910597
whyd you do it on lined paper. that's cheating. short ones are easy, do long ones if you wanna show competence. bet you did half the other methods wrong too.

>>7910580
lmao. right. When someone doesn't want to waste their time teaching someone who isn't doing the bare minimum, it's the person who doesn't want to teach who is at fault. Tell me, why is it if I taught myself with the resources available to me, that I should help someone that isn't even trying to advocate or learn for themselves? Your opinion reeks of entitlement. Anybody can give a crit. I can give you a fuckass crit right now. Why should I go out of my way to give a well thought out and constructive crit to somebody whose actions clearly show they don't want to learn, they just want a shortcut. I help people who actually deserve it. Not the retards asking the same questions that get answered every thread. Fuck off with your self righteous bullshit and actually read what was said.

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there no scientifically proven methods or techniques when it comes to learning drawing its all just "dunno what happened but i can draw now" type stuff basically.
so just draw my dud.

>>7910599
Nope, good try though.
I did straight line exercises exclusively on printer paper with fineliner for years.
This is just a quick video I made a few weeks ago to prove I could draw straight lines. I could redo on printer paper but I never prove myself to anyone who isn't genuine, which I can tell you're not. I've proven myself to people in the past and all they do is fucking go ghost mode and I never hear from them. No apology or anything, so I'm not wasting my time.

Unless you want to post yourself doing straight lines :) then I'll consider remaking the video with the proper tools. Otherwise, a no-pyw-er gets nothing but old videos.
>>7910600
Technique 1: Assumption of Motive
>When someone doesn't want to waste their time teaching someone who isn't doing the bare minimum

Technique 2: Ad Hominem
>Your opinion reeks of entitlement
>retards asking the same questions
>your self righteous bullshit

Technique 3: Gatekeeping
>help people who actually deserve it

Technique 4: Strawman
>When someone doesn't want to waste their time… it's the person who doesn't want to teach who is at fault

Technique 5: Dismissive Framing
>actually read what was said

Technique 6: Justificatian via Personal Anectode
>I taught myself with the resources available to me

Oh, were you expecting an actual response?

>>7910604
Right buddy. You keep on begging for crits, judging off what you've posted I don't think I'd ever actually offer you a thoughtful one. Nice job on the dialectical breakdown, perhaps consider a different hobby.

>>7910533

Do not erase. Having the bad line there will help to inform your eye and ensure you don’t make the same mistake again. Just draw over, but NOT immediately. Remember that lines are only good or bad in context of the rest of the piece. If you fuck up early on things can be saved if you adjust things accordingly. For difficult angles or perspective, it might end up a slightly different angle than you intended, but will look better and more accurate than forcing other things to be incorrect in relation to the existing problems. After you have the rest of the main lines and structure worked out, go back and try to draw over the worst mistakes, and see if you can make a new line that works better.

The flow goes:See object> Make line> check accuracy>draw next line in relation to reference AND previous line>See object>See drawing>Draw line again

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>>7910618
OY VEY NOW WE'RE TALKING. STROKE OF INSPIRATION.

>>7910608
>begging for crits
Keep in mind you're on the art critique board. Which I just realized now that you were projecting when you were calling people self-righteous. Ironic.
>I don't think I'd ever actually offer you a thoughtful one
I don't either. Teaching people how to draw is more difficult than drawing itself and I'm quite doubtful that a random narcissist on 4chan actually has this ability. If they did, they wouldn't be on here, they'd be making money from teaching art.
>Nice job on the dialectical breakdown
Thank you.
>perhaps consider a different hobby
Why?
Does my pursuit of art worry you?
If it doesn't, why bother saying this?
Quite odd, don't ya think?

In fact, it's very odd.
Because, as a narcissist yourself, wouldn't you want me to pursue the very thing that I am struggling at the most to experience the most amount of suffering?

Very interesting, indeed!

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>>7910533
I'm doing both. My IFRM and also copying in fineliner.
I don't know which is more effective though.

>>7910625
Take my updoot stranger! I'd ask if you're on Adderall or something right now with how wired you're behaving, but I think it could just be a case of Autism. You can't even pick up on snark. If only you could apply such rigourous analysis to your art, maybe you'd have made more progress by now. I only said to choose a different hobby to save you the headache you'd cause yoruself, but if this is truly what your heart desires, perhaps devote more time to drawing than whatever bullshit this is. Oh, and, I sure hope your practice is more than just drawing lines. That doesn't even qualify as practice in my eyes. It's hardly a warm up. Best of luck, maybe one day you'll be posting work alongside the right questions and receive actual constructive criticism.

Until then,

Just Draw!

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>>7910564
>IFRM
Iterative Feedback Refinement Method

See attached.

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Fucked up the render 3 times. Time to move on to the next thing.

>>7910557
Observation/proportion are literally THE first things they teach you in almost any curriculum. So I'm glad you arrived at this conclusion on your own, but how the fuck did you not just pick that up via any instructor or course? That's so bizarre

It's hilarious seeing turbo-autists hyperanalyze drawing techniques while making absolutely zero progress. We're blessed to have this retard grace us with his permabegness. Those of you that wished for pawell to return now have something to placate you.

>>7910635
No, if you go through the curriculumns, they typically try to get you to learn form first.
>DrawABox
>Peter Han
Both of these basically start off with learning form/perspective. Which is useful but not so much without observational ability first. I guess I just lucked out and chose the two worst ones to start learning from as an absolute /beg/.

Because I started off with these, I believed that you had to learn 3D before learning how to copy in 2D. But drawing in 3D requires unconscious ability to measure proportions in 2D before it becomes useful, which I didn't have.

>>7910631
>I only said to choose a different hobby to save you the headache
Fascinating!

You spent the last hour being entirely hostile, dismissive, and came up with every insult you could possibly think of but right at the last possible moment you just had to show some heart.

You couldn't possibly bear it!!
You just HAD to help a fellow /beg/ out in their time of need!
Oh, how positively NOBLE of you!!!

Give me a fucking break.
I don't think you've ever spoken something that isn't a half-truth or a blatant lie in your entire life. The embodiment of snake. A toothless one at that. Go ahead and post your work so all of /beg/ can see who exactly is going around trashing other people for trying to learn how to draw.

>>7910639
>>7910637
This applies to you too, buddy.
Wanna talk shit, lets see the work.
:)

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> /int/s and /adv/s just squiggle a bunch of lines on the paper
> lots of noise and lines
> still looks good and the intended images breaks through well
How does this blackmagic shit work bros.
I don't mean "how do I do that too", I am obviously just not skilled enough (yet). But I wonder how and why these kinds of sketches work

>>7910641
That's not how it works at all, permabeg. Keep dancing for us though :)

Observation/Proportion > Composition/Thumbnailing > Gesture > Perspective/Construction > Anatomy > Value > Color > Material/Texture > Imaginative Drawing > Stylization/Design Principles

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>>7910643
>no work posted
>thus, pic related
:)

>>7910639
They really don't no. If you even look at the sticky, which nobody looks at, even they basically say, everyone says observation is the most important skill, therefore, here are x excercises to develop your observational skills. Almost every book, every artist guide, self teaching course, all start with observation. I can't tell if you're trolling now or not, because drawabox is associated with trolls and crabs on here

>>7910651
That's nice sweetie. You're the star of the show here and everyone is awaiting your next 10k word diatribe on how you learned to compare the position of two lines while posting a drawing demonstrating how you failed to compare said lines

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>>7910652
Sticky is associated with trolls here. When I point out the sticky focuses on observational drawing for 1/100th of the whole article, you yell, "that's not the stinky we're talking about!"

Absolutely no course out there says you have to learn how to draw well in 2D before you can draw in 3D. In fact all of the ones that DO focus on observation have you drawing from life, which doesn't work as an absolute beginner. Drawing from photographs is already extremely difficult for absolute beginners so expecting them to be able to take an actual 3D object and put it onto a 2D surface is skipping a hundred steps. It's no wonder they flake out. That requires way too many disciplines at once.

In fact, a book I read by Robert Beverly Hale, Drawing Lessons from the Great Masters, literally says to not draw what you see. Glenn Vilppu says to not copy the model. So this idea that it's impossible to come to the conclusion that you shouldn't learn to copy isn't erroneous. It's simply an unlucky amalgamation of the wrong resources.

>>7910658
...I really can't tell if you're trolling at this point so I'll just leave you to it. At least you're working on your observational skills now I guess. Maybe this will help you, my family was close friends with a professional illustrator. Would do massive walk murals, card art for Wizards of the Coast, portraiture, a fine art oil painter, if I said their name there's a chance you'd know them. When I was first learning to make art, they only gave me one tip. Work through and copy the Bargue plates. It's what his teachers told him for that reason specifically. Observational skills are critical to artistic journey. If you can't observe and copy well, it just makes your artistic progress that much more difficult.

>>7910653
>sweetie
tranny or Jeffrey

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Just draw

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Fact: The indigenous people of the moon are Americans, who first settled there in 1969. Good luck Artemis II astronauts!

This was going to be just a sketch layer but it went poorly enough that I don't want to clean it up. Oh well

>>7910663
Swag

>>7910642
Because we filter information all the time everyday. we really couldn't function (it's actually a form of autism when you can't do this) normally if we didn't discriminate and disregarded the majority of information that we receive through our senses. What our brain cares about is the information we deem as important, so if the core and major points of a drawing look good the noise around it can be easily glossed over. It will look better than a drawing without noise but lackluster core.

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>>7910597
>Brent Eviston
You went through Brent's the art and science of drawing course? Brent is pretty explicit about how to measure and make observations, you should probably check it out again. More specifically in the week 5 section. Which should be week 1 to be fair. Plumb lines and triangulation are very useful techniques in particular

>>7910658
>take an actual 3D object and put it onto a 2D surface is skipping a hundred steps.
Ehh, I don't think so. Drawing from life and drawing from a photograph uses an identical skillset. Sighting techniques don't change between them. Also worth mentioning is that you see in 2d, you perceive 3 dimensions thanks to light and depth perception thanks to having a 2nd eye. You only see in x and y coordinates, same as a photograph. You get 2 images that your brain interprets for perceived depth. The challenge with drawing from life is less so the fact that there's a 3d object in front of you and more that you can end up moving, changing the perspective. Most beginners can't curate a subject that would be easy to draw, whether from life or photograph. Photographs are definitely way more convenient and less of a hassle.

>>7910663
This too lmao. Still life for the thread

>>7910663
im trying

>>7910667
Well stop doing that and start doing 1 rep of IFRM and 100 reps of posting on 4chan

guys someone tell me what to do
Im doing brent eviston ovals and circles on big drawing paper, but the bumps on my desk are causing me to fuck up and tear the paper
so i now i'll have to buy a 200 dollar drawing board with paper clamps on the side, which is fine and dandy but i still have two hours before work and i want to fucking draw
circs and ovs on tablet arent working out, since i have to use writing pencil posture or else the tablet wont recognize the tip of the pen is touching it

>>7910671
I imagine a dry erase whiteboard and some strong magnets would work just as well while being significantly cheaper

in the meantime draw on the wall with a crayon, idk

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>>7910669
i dont want to stop

>>7910674
what mental illnesses or past trauma do you need to have to make this stuff?

>>7910675
i dont know

>>7910673
i dont have a crayon, just a tablet
what can i do on da tablert. i installed csp again, and although its nice, it always compels me to just trace art i like and waste a bunch of time

>>7910663
hello @Icantdravv

>>7910675
Exposure to niche internet communities circa 2003

I vvant to dravv
But I need to vvork

>>7910677
poop into your hand and smear the shit on the wall. idk fag

>>7910686
why would i do that when i have a tablet

>>7910011
don't fucking do that then nigga damn you can draw any way you want

>>7910658
Trolls deseve to get trolled

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Need critique on this portrait getting stuck in a photocopying loop with portraits lately I feel like if I could crack the color code I would be able to take a more constructive approach similar to the frog if I had a more direct approach with the colors I think I would have an easier time simplifying. any critique welcome

>>7910658
>too hard to for beginner
You stupid retarded faggot begars should aim for the top that is how to surpass masters you fucking moron.

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i will destroy everything

>>7910703
i think it looks good but unfinished, polish the portrait and that should be it.

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I don't know much about drawing. I'm trying to compose a scene by using AI to generate the base/linework and then hand-drawing over it. However, I'm having trouble integrating the characters into the boxing ring. They look weird and just don't seem to fit the environment.

In your opinion, what's the main issue here? Is it the characters' perspective compared to the ring? Do the art style or colors clash? Is it their size? Or maybe the lack of proper shadows?

What would be the best way to compose this scene?

Any feedback is welcome. Thanks in advance!

>>7910712
>In your opinion, what's the main issue here?
Using generative slop

>>7910712
>>7910717
yeah, you must suffer with us
you can't make art without suffering

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>>7909300

i'm about 40% done with the bottom deck, but i've been doing irl stuff lately.

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>>7910658
>>7910626
you're still in this thread faggot? have you think about killing your self faggot?

your whole strategy is
>HAHA I NEED WAIT TILL SOMEONE GIVE ME A RESPOND
>gets a respond
>HAHA NOW I AM USING THAT RESPOND TO SAY HOW BAD THAT RESPOND THAT WOULD MAKE ME APPEAR SMARTEERRRRRR THAT EVERYONE IN THIS BOARD

it's not even a original strangely. Xe think we would not notice xer shitty pattern? do you want a rope? to hang your self?

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gestures

>>7910729
>>>/pol/

I dont watch anime, comics, movies or play videogames, i feel realy lost with what i want to draw i dont know what to do.

>>7910736
>>>/pol/

>>7910737
why do you want to draw? id think you are interested in something and thats why you want to draw