they both look like AI slop but especially the right. Unfortunate. WHat do you even do when you wake up one day and realize this, kill yourself?

>>7923627
>High heels on a medieval knight armor
Reeeee

>>7923627
he hadn't worked in the game industry much at that point. so he hadn't had his soul morphed by the expectations of chinese slop. it the right image finished? feet don't seem planted on the ground

>>7923632
>they both look like AI slop
No it does not you fucking tourist, fuck off from here.

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I'm sure there are more differences, but at a quick glance two things are obvious

>edges
Old paintings had more variety and softer edges were much more common, allowing the hard ones to pop out.

>colors
Again, old stuff had more variety with the palette usually incorporating a much wider range of colors, new stuff is quite monochromatic in the sense that he picks one color for the subject and sticks to it, armor is pretty much always the same hue for example.


It's strange that even these days he begins his paintings with a much richer palette and then ends with the most boring shit imaginable, it's not like he can't make something look interesting, he just pivots towards gray slop no matter what

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>>7923676
Problem, plebbitor?

>>7923798
Color is vulgar, white peoples art is always about restraint and a muted color palette.

>>7923632
I don't care for his art but it doesn't look like AI to me.

>>7923676
high heels were invented for cavalry

>>7923802
Badass honestly, feels underutilized in popular media

>>7923627
So... How does someone learn to paint like this?

>>7924118
2026 and no one knows to this day

>>7924118
Asian jeans and/or autism.

>>7924118
First learn how to shade a sphere correctly.

>>7923627
loos like overrendered slop

>>7924118
He's one of a kind, HGJ is similar but still isn't at the level of RJ in terms of rendering.

>>7924236
Have a look on artstation or something to recalibrate your view on art. Beg retards like you seeing anything skilful with effort put into it and reacting like some cringe teenager that thinks that not trying is cool is tiring. Let the word "slop" have a deserved rest while you are at it.

>>7923632
Your eye is untrained. Ai does a bunch of weird shit a human would never do in the rendering, especially hair. It’s very noticeable since it would be incredibly difficult for a human to replicate what a machine does, the strokes are almost abstract and completely incoherent when put under a microscope.

>>7924262
What does the art even say?
>muh pretty gay elf knight
Wow another white knight cuck thinking he is davinci.

>>7924297
It's character art and an accompanying environment. She has human ears. What do you want it to say? Who is cucking? :DDD you silly goose

Ruan's older work consisted of a lot more "found detail", that is detail that is suggested as a result of color or texture. It created an artwork with an ethereal vibe that could be carved out with sharp edges wherever he wanted to put emphasis.

His modern evolution leaves nothing to the imagination. It's still technically impressive obviously, but it loses some of the character.

>>7924118
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLpckCQBi4fDInG-KsxCwSslaLeWqtyZrS

>>7923627
older style are inspired by western art and ideals, shadows, colors and dynamism.
newer ones are done with asian sensiblities, lighting, clarity and details.

There is a reason impressionism and hatching don't really work in digital. There is no reference point for size.
His brushwork is too small and his canvases are too big. So in the final picture his brushwork is smudged, due to sizing down the resolution. Even a 4k monitor is too small to properly display his pictures.
I don't understand what his goal is. If his art would be painted on a 1x2m canvas, it would be impressive.

>>7924773
>There is a reason impressionism and hatching don't really work in digital. There is no reference point for size.
Really stupid post.
Not even going to explain why, figure it out yourself.

>>7924801
>Not even going to explain why, figure it out yourself.
Boys, Ruan is mad.

>>7923632
>art so good some begtroon thinks it's AIslop
I already looked at that art and concluded this guy surpassed classical master artists, you only confirmed it to me

>>7924973
Good morning saaar!

>>7924973
>this guy surpassed classical master artists
let see him work without a lasso tool and compose a scene worth drawing that has themes beyond pretty girl and details.

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>>7925001
>let see him work without a lasso tool
impossibru

>>7924973
>surpassed classical master artists
Nope. He is good at rendering but lacking in pictorial design, which is what elevates mere depiction to the status of art. Also, compared to the masters, his figures are quite static. The greats composed pictures with many figures in varied poses, heads seen full-face, side profile, three-quarters, tilted up and down. You're just impressed by rendering and detail.

>>7923802
These guys were 120% homosexuals who never actually fought anyone though, proving his point.
Aristocracy has always had ridiculous numbers of gays, probably due to the inbreeding.

>>7924985
that means nothing here go back to /pol/

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>>7925024
Didn't read, but I can tell you're seething

>>7925030
saaar dont redeeeeeem

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>>7925024
Louis XIV is not really the guy you want to use to support your argument. He was one of the most participatory leaders in war, having led the crossing of the Rhine and also constantly being in range of musket fire while inspecting front line trenches.

Besides that, you're also 120% wrong on the role of nobility in war in the 17th century. Their culture evolved entirely around their glory being earned through triumph in war. They all led cavalry units because they could quickly dive into skirmishes with their professional corps and make major moves on the battlefield. If your contention is that they didn't die uselessly in the infantry, that's because you're spiritually a peasant and a charmless faggot.

Pic related. It's Louis Grand Conde, a veritable war hero during Louis XIV's reign.

>>7925146
This is a thread about Ruan Jia's art, not some faggot aristocrat that looked 10 times more hideous than the paintings made him be

>>7923627
he hadn't yet discovered wei feng who was technically more proficient at the time

>>7925186
What?

>>7923632
Not to reduce the work but aislop has made artstyles like that look generic as fuck that normies think its yet another ai generated fantasy piece

>>7925377
pajeet stay in your thread

>people when they see the actual source of the art that the AI stole
>IT'S AI
Many such cases. I think there will unironically be a generation that believes only AI is capable of creating art at this level.

>>7925681
they could have chosen to steal better art

>>7925682
Oh don't worry, (((they))) didn't have to choose. (((they))) stole everything.

>>7923632
The right one is probably one of the most un-AIslop-like ever. Unless you have to use a specific Ruan Jia lora (even then, no doubt it would fuck the AI up since there are so few images like that)
AI can do flat stuff as well as heavy rendered stuff now, so claiming every heavy rendered piece as AI is retarded

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People will look you dead in the face and tell you Ruan Jia is a great artist.

Before you start replying go look at Syd Mead's concept art.

>>7926886
Ruan Jia is a great artist. Before you start replying, post your work.

>>7926886
There's nothing wrong with saying you just don't enjoy someone's work.

>>7926886
I beat Ruan and Syd would like each others work.

>>7923798
Wow top is so good
The temple of trannies lol

>>7927301
Which aspect do you think are better?

>>7927301
>see temple
>imagines shemale cock
many such cases

>>7925171
>Seethes and pivots because historychad proved him wrong

Now that the sentiment around AI has done a 180 and recent reports from MIT and S&P Global have shown that nearly 95% of AI pilots in the enterprise sector have failed to deliver a measurable impact on the bottom line and AI companies have started bumping up their prices to get somewhat close to not burning a hole in their pocket (every AI company is unprofitable ATM) and people beginning to push back against data centers, and companies like NVIDIA being BTFO by China's Huawei chips (China is becoming self sustaining, ruh roh!), it's prime time for those of you who weren't demoralized by the jeets and shills to get hired in the upcoming rehiring wave now that grift is being seen through and the negative ROI and performance plateaus are impossible to look past. You've all been studying and practicing right?

>>7927992
in the 3d industry at least, a product that is 90% perfect is 100% useless.

>>7923627
He had the freedom to work with more impressionist brush strokes. Now everyone wants something tightly rendered. Ruan is a fucking autist so he doesn't know where and when to stop even if he has 80/20 in mindvwhen requested to do such a piece.

>>7926886
jesus christ, those boots, guess even rj can't be good at everything
strong merc_wip.jpg vibes

>>7925375
there's a pre and post wei feng, ruan jia. ruan jia was heavily influenced by wei feng not the other way around.

when ruan jia was doing this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/5XRmJ
wei feng was doing this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/n03m6

wei feng had better draftsmanship for the longest time. still does.

by the time wei feng did this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/EZkd4
ruan jia was doing this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/3qPEv

ruan jia focused more on color and light, and eventually eclipsed everyone in that regard.

now ruan jia does things like this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Bk44km
and wei feng does stuff like this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/zxwXxd

>>7928209
a lot of words to say ruan mogged the literalllywho every step of the way

>>7928209
always so weird that people pit artists against each other when they likely learned and corresponded with one another and have a respectful relationship
like imagine if you grew with your friend and the influences between each other become obvious, it slips into your work and it slips into their work then out of nowhere some guy calls you a hack copycat and you're just like: the fuck
it must feel pretty weird

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>always so weird that people pit artists against each other when they likely learned and corresponded with one another and have a respectful relationship
>like imagine if you grew with your friend and the influences between each other become obvious, it slips into your work and it slips into their work then out of nowhere some guy calls you a hack copycat and you're just like: the fuck
>it must feel pretty weird

>>7928226
They aren't being pitted against each other in their comment though. The guy is literally just explaining their strengths and how they both evolved over time while influencing each other.

>>7928228
>if it wasn't explicitly stated then it didn't happen
weasel

>>7928209
If your barometer for greatness in draftsmanship is tightness in rendering then I can see where you're coming from. I would disagree with this premise however.

Nothing in Ruan's early work is lacking in comparison to Wei's early work; they're just made with different goals. I can agree that Ruan's goal has transformed to pursue a greater tightness in rendering (to a visually exhausting degree). I can't speak to the impact Wei's portfolio had on him in this regard. Do you know if they even know each other?

>>7928232
You should give people more grace. That post is a very balanced observation of the evolution of both artists. It's nothing to be combative about.

>>7928209
What are you rambling about?

>>7923627
as an artist:
>wow he's amazing, much better than me. What an inspiration
as a member of the audience:
>another clutter freak asian with no real ideas,

>>7928794
>no ideas
Envious cope, his work is characteristic and recognizable even with the slew of copycats he spawned, might as well say Frazetta had no ideas at that point

>>7928843
Can't you read the post? Jesus your own insecurity controls everything you post.
I wrote that as an artist i recognize how skilled he is. But as a random viewer? It's a freaky mess! It looks like a photo in the worst way, and it looks like a silly chinese drawing in the worst way too. It has no design, just detail heaped on unpleasantly. I don't want this shit on my wall when there are painters who make beautiful things that are a pleasure to look at. I went to an art gallery recently, full of both skill show offs, paid commissions to baroque noblemen which are huge in size, but boring, and the equivalent of "i drew a really cute girl i'm really horny for". All of them are more pleasant to look at than this shit, especially the one on the right in the OP.

So from this i gather that i only appreciate RJ because of my own skill ambitions as an artist. I don't want to draw the crap he draws either, just have the skill to.

>>7928931
>[jelly cope intensifies]
rj isn't kjg, he's popular with and recognized by non-artists
>but muh personal taste
literally nobody on the planet cares lol stay green

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Ruan absolutely mogs 90% of pros even halfassing it

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>>7926886
>Syd Mead
The fathers of digital art are Criag Mullins and mid 2000s MtG artists. Early RJ emulated their style and themes. Digital art will always be defined by the fantastical and video games, not some dead boomer obsessed with chrome.

>>7928988
I love Ruan Jia, but God Ruan Jia can't draw for shit.

>>7928943
i have 0 jealousy, but you have 100% submissiveness to someone you perceive as more capable, the permabeg sycophant mentality

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>>7929453
>y-you didn't submit to my permabeg seething that means you're submissive!
lol
seethe, jellyfag

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>>7924118
I mean, he's shown a fuckton of timelapse processes of exactly how he does it, and it's not all that complicated, and at least at a mechanical level arguably not even all that hard, it's just very boring and most people don't have the patience for it.

>draw a background
>lay in high level compositional shapes
>refine background details and block in light
>spend 30 years cleaning your render
>repeat for 10-15 hours around your piece,
>done
Pretty much the determining factor is "were your compositional shapes IN FACT the right shapes" and "do you know what must be done to clean your render?", both of which are mostly a mileage question. Go draw 1,000 women and 1,000 still lifes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziyhu5_SBQ0

>>7929607
Peak DK

>>7929668
feel free to point out what I missed then, retard

>>7929674
For what purpose, you're literally incapable of comprehending it, the best you can hope for is attaining awareness that you shouldn't be offering your retarded opinions of things you haven't the slightest idea of
Realistically you'll just get butthurt

>>7929693
this critique lacks content

>>7929694
it's ok, we've all been there
screenshot your retarded post so you can feel embarrassed in 5 years

>>7929697
real talk, is this just what you do?

wander into a thread, say
>wrong
then asked why, do a Frenchman-style thousand yard smoking stare and say
>it iz ineffable...
>all zee ways you are wrong...
It'd be okay if you at least added something to the thread, but man, I'm struggling to imagine a more cancerous way to use the internet.

If curses are real, I curse you. Let every banana you eat hereafter have the tips be disgustingly mashed up in that nasty "gets all over if you open it wrong" way, and have that "mildly alcoholic" awful taste, too.

>>7929704
You're projecting too hard, and after I warned you about getting butthurt. I've posted a playlist with his streams earlier, I checked the thread again and saw you giving retarded advice, so I called it retarded for the other guy's benefit, there's literally no reason for me to waste time feeding a butthurt DK

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>>7929607
I watched everything from him.
The problem is even his pictures are mid res, his videos are just shit.
He is not a good draftsman. All you can see in his videos are the early stages. But all the rendering shit is done with small brushes on a giant canvas. And you just cant see what exactly he is doing.
He is a bad teacher and his demos arent good as well. There is not much sense in learning fundis from him.
I try to replicate his stzle for a while, but its harder than one thinks. There is no material were you can see his brushwork in good quality. There is no real explanation how to achive the broken color effect. There are some '''''explanation videos'''' videos on youtube, but they are done by douwning krugers.

I just dont get it. So the best i was able to do is pic related. I hatched different hues over a skin tone base, but it just feels off while drawing and looks off as well.

lol

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>>7929737
>this is who's saying ruan's not a good draughtsman

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>>7928209
Idk how to break it to you anon...
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/XJgvL
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/Poney

>>7929737
kek

>>7929762
>>7929840
pyw

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>>7929859

>>7929737
>ble to do is pic related. I hatched different hues over a skin tone base, but it just feels off while drawing and looks off as well.

Well maybe you should learn the planes of the face first, and how to align the facial features on the same angle first, then worry about Ruan Jia's style.

>>7929737
neck perspective being fucked such that it looks like she's tucking her chin and absence of hair and ear despite your face's render being that far along are the smells here.

>>7929957
ok, crab

>>7923632
it actually doesnt, but you have the visual acuity of a grandma who has withdrawn from all pictures because theyve been deceived far too many times to ai scammery and has developed a catch all survival response by categorising anything even slightly off kilter as robotic sorcery

>>7923627
distribution of detail, surreal setting on the left, right is emotionless

>>7923798
i feel underwhelmed seeing the background take up so much space and not being interesting at all

>>7928209
>by the time wei feng did this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/EZkd4
ruan jia was doing this: https://www.artstation.com/artwork/3qPEv

this batch of images is funny, they are using a bunch of layers and not caring to have light make an impact on any object, it all looks so painfully flat, whats the point of chasing this lrvel if detail when you are forgetting the single most important thing?

i know that it might look like i am just being a hater, i dont think i will ever make a piece that detailed, but you cant tell me with a straight face that i am 100% wrong.

>>7930378
He's right. If you can recognise your own biases here, you can go further much more quickly.
You're in that initial stage where you're starting to grasp or grapple with fundamentals. You're climbing that first hill while not experienced enough to know the mountains that lie beyond it.
If you can let go of the need to be the "advanced" artist who's reached the summit and recognise that you're only just at the start of the climb you can see with objective eyes and realistically move towards self mastery without the hubris of ego clouding your perception.

You instinctively calling that guy a crab and so dismissing his criticism is the exact attitude that will keep you stuck in delusionland.
Humble yourself. The journey has only just begun and that's ok. It simply is what it is.

>ok crab PYW

Ok... it's not my problem. But at least we tried to steer you towards the summit.

>>7933844
>But at least we tried to steer you towards the summit.
Sure thing, crab.
>For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and they will lead many astray.

>>7929840
wei feng's portfolio site is down but a lot of what was posted was from pre-2006

>>7923627
>starts doing 2 hour demos instead of taking 1 year per illustration
the east has fallen...