AI Slop are all trained on professionals/student posts on artstation/deviantart. So all of /ic/ users before 2021 can see it for the hack that it is lmaoo

/g/ autism can't match /ic/ autism. both unemployable

>>7925279
It’s not worth talking about anymore. It’s here to stay and nobody on this board or in the real world can do anything about it. It’s not gonna prevent us from making art, but there’s no point in revisiting the topic 1000 times and parroting the same points

>never discussing A.I.
Oh man. You should've been here in 2023. Shit was inescapable.
I think all that was necessary to say has already been said. The machines might improve in quality but the moral question doesn't change.

Here's my summary: AI artwork is unjustly built on stolen art, it goes against the very essence of humanity and everyone who uses it is a coward.

>>7925279
We already discussed it once, about 3-4 years ago.

>>7925279
already been discussed to death
will forever and always be dogshit that no one will respect

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>why doesn't the art board discuss gambling?
i already had my fun

GOOOOD MORNING SAAARS!

good butifu morni saars
hab u see the begine and bewb saars?

Most of the art you see online is the exact same thing but made by humans, mixing pre existing styles and over used references and copyijg popular franchises to make one billion uninspired lazy ripoff characters floating in a void or smut

Those who approach art like this are either doomed because the market value of their skill only keeps going down as AI gets better and better and those who make actually creative art or just draw for fun don't care at all

The only people who got mad initially have already lost and give up

still rather have human made feces than deficiently generated computer glitches

You must be new here.

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>>7925279
it's been discussed to death, there's nothing more to say, anons who loss their will to draw, left and moved on, those who linger around are some real mother fuckers, and i will gladly take a bullet for them.

i still think about the sci-fi magazine talking about how much low quality short stories they received and how they have to close submissions and figure out how to separate genuine writers from, i don't know how to describe them other then pajeets.

Tracing over 3D models

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we were calling fotm shit slop long before aijeets started using that word
it's insane that they believe because xitter drama engagement farmers reply to their insults as to use the attention to farm numbers that they can go on other places and think all their insults actually work and when they don't they just pull the usual normie deflections

i love drawing so much it's insane

>>7925279
it's offtopic

>>7925296
quick rundown on whatever the fuck this is?

>>7925359
me just fucking around with an aispammer that was active on this board a couple years ago when the ai trolling was on full throttle

he tries to make fun of my art but i dont get offended by it so i just tell him his followers are botted and he attempts a last gotcha by calling me weird
the guy used to fill entire threads by himself writing honest to god essays going into 500 posts territory and would make another thread the instant one got deleted
Probably using a bot here as well.

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>>7925279
>A.I. art
>art
I see a contradiction

>>7925279
HOLY NEWFAG

>>7925303
pyw pajeeet

>>7925374
No. Does posting my work disproving the fact? No it doesn't. Soon future generation will not care about real artists hard worked human garbage sloppy art. It will be always slow, high cost, low quality. Look at AI art it is fast as fuck, no cost at all, quality is God like. Today there is a lot of real artist supporters in feature there will be lesser and lesser artists and more and more ai artists. Artists will exist but they will always get mocked, trolled, insulted for holding back progress.

/g/ posters should just be barred from posting on /ic/
it's just AI bait threads and shit like the /dtg/ schizo from there

>>7925378
Does this work on anyone that isn't an autistic crossdresser that draws tumblr style crossdressers?

>>7925378
pajeee mad af haha

>>7925381
>>7925383

All artist are anti-science and anti-progress. Nature will punish them for their crimes.

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>>7925386
oh wow how funny and insulting
what else can you say?

>>7925378
The new generation is fucked. If there is no driving force, they probably won't bother at all.

>>7925279
mmmmmnnnn butt...sex sex SEEEEEEEEX

>>7925378
I don't normally say this, but holy shit is this "SAAAR" the post. Total bugman

Very good OP, yes, the samefags are also a nice touch. We will be watching you very closely, you have a promising future here. A fine addition to the crab roster.

>>7925404
I am indian how do you know?

>>7925279
I'm not against AI, but this is a board for art criticism and education. Discussing how to prompt better or the deeper meaning behind a hand with 6 fingers is simply outside the scope of this board.

I find AI art amazing. Especially the webms I have found in both /gif/ and /wsg/. I have followed how special effects were done since I was a kid, reading Cinfex and some hobbyist make your own magazines for my stop motion movies I made in super 8 mm film. I can imagine how many human hands it would take to build these sets arrange these costumes composite these shots, photographing models or building them in CGI. Armies of people hours of labor all needless with the right sequence of prompts. Ordinary people can t r y their hand at composing elaborate ideas. Movies too ridiculous, too niche, too expensive to produce, too personal to appeal to the buying public.

We make our own art. Or should. Anime and such can be easily copied,as they h a very been copied since the '70s, so these artists and the Strange Porn crowd need worry. And not even then. A superior story, art and composition is the product of industry and ingenuity of the artist, and will show up AI in its unique presentation.

I haunt the AI threads in/b/ and sifting through the Strange Porn,you see fascinating things, still pictures that I could calculate the process of recreating it in acrylics. Prompting is a craft, and that involves Art. An AI won't do anything on its own, because it needs direction, scope, a story to portray. Like some medieval craftsman, a scene is intricately described, and painstakingly staged. Art.

>>7925416
AI make infinity finite so nope.

^bait is sooo low quality it dont even deserve a (You)

>>7925416
Except that as companies have shown us time and time and time again, it's hardly ever about the actual benefits, and more about it being used as a mechanism to foster dependence and create perpetual cash cows. AI is just being used to create a slave race. How people don't see that is beyond me. I have a theory that's it's exactly why jeets are so drawn to it, they're already accustomed to slaves because of their caste system so they're too blind to see the inevitable rug pull that WILL happen where prices start getting pumped after dependence has been created. It will be everyone's outrage moment when they should have been outraged decades earlier. The generations of the future will look back at everyone alive right now with so much resentment and spite because we did nothing to stop it.

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since this is a critique board, let me help you

>7925279
why does this board never discuss

>7925283
AI slop is trained

>7925386
all artists are anti-science and anti-progress

>7925408
how did you know

>7925416
could calculate the process of recreating Ø in acrylics

>7925418
AI makes infinity finite

hope this helps with your B2 english test for the residency application

>>7925423
Saar! Thank You so much saar!

>>7925423
>my only argument is to call everyone a jeet
Artfags can't even disprove a single argument.
*sad noises*

>>7925386
define "nature" anon considering most AI is built to be antithetical too it. What part of nature do you hold even dear

>>7925422
>I have a theory that's it's exactly why jeets are so drawn to it, they're already accustomed to slaves because of their caste system so they're too blind to see the inevitable rug pull that WILL happen
your theory sucks and is blind to the actual cultural realities of the third world. it's the same reason that most of the third world, not just india, loves retardoslop like hyperrealistic robert downer junior photocopies, jujutsu kaizen panel copies, and lots of tracing, you can almost always guess the artist is a thirdie by how sellout or empty of meaning their art is when they post it and that's got nothing to do with the Genetics of Thirdies it's just the product of a strained (monetary and attention) economy

art is heavily devalued and is not viewed as an expression of real skill or creativity, but as a bragging right, not unlike a trophy wife. the point is pretending you managed to get a pretty-looking (even if vacuous) image out and posture in front of your aunties how you're Muchly Skilledful rather than actually being able to do anything with yourself. this is fixed by raising people out of poverty and funding arts and culture so that a cultural consciousness develops, otherwise it's just the circenses of the panem et circenses. western cultures are heading in that direction with the crossgenerational deterioration of cultural appreciation and the commodification of art, india is just a portent

>>7925424
no problem boss
>>7925426
not many coherent arguments have been made to debooonk or discuss anyway, so the thread is just namecalling until someone actually makes a cohesive point, on either side. this won't happen since it's a troll thread, but what do i know

>>7925435
just visit /r/aiwars bro there is so many arguments that completely destroys luddites. Let me copy/paste some here.

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>>7925440
>just visit /r

>>7925435
It's not so much a theory as it is me not taking your point seriously you autistic troll

>>7925279
Because it has nothing to do with drawing, and many (myself included) don't consider it art.
Let's be honest though, you don't actually want to discuss this, you're just trying to be provocative. How boring.

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the only thing this whole ai shtick has is making brown wannabe ragebaiters believe they're baiting anyone

yeah bro, you're getting your existence acknowledge by spamming until one of your 6 million posts gets referenced
such epic galaxy trolling

>sexually titillating image
>irrelevant time-wasting question

Anything you do with AI is like keeping a dream journal. You may find it enjoyable and intriguing, but most people won't be interested to read that crap. Keep it to yourself.
I won't deny that I've used text-generating AI to answer questions and even role-play, but I'm aware that those texts are only of interest to me.

>other people are not interested in your own interests
how dare they? EVERYONE MUST ENJOY WHAT I ENJOY!

>>7925452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8dcFhF0Dlk neely has an interesting approach to this that goes to the same conclusion

>>7925279
>Why does this board is never discussing A.I. art?
Because this is a western website. Go discuss AI on 4saar.in

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Op image is ai gen btw. Are there any examples of ai gen images you can't tell from traditional or traditional digital painting? Post some.

>>7925279
97% of AI ventures have failed or are currently failing. Even MIcrosaar is pulling out of copilot. It was a fade, just like NFTs. not even the trashiest porn sites are getting flooded with images anymore. The grift well dried up, there's no money to be made and everyone moved on from the fad.

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>>7925482
it took me finding out it was ai to recognise it. truly hadn't been able to tell beforehand. it was a spooky experience

>piss fox
delete yourself

>>7925485
I find odd them niggas always go for the blankest of expressions even when they have characters smiling it still look deadpan

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>>7925482
>Are there any examples of ai gen images you can't tell from traditional or traditional digital painting? Post some.
I was frikin shocked as i saw this one, sir.

So what are the other forbidden themes? OP had a topic, remember.

>>7925512
>So what are the other forbidden themes?
Toilet paper?

>>7925521
You know, I never even thought about drawing on that. What would be the best drawing implement for it? Permanent marker? Crayons?

>>7925525
Grok

>>7925291
All work is build on stollen work. It makes you a hypocrite claiming humans dont learn in the same manner. You just dont like the idea (even if its not true yet) of a machine being able to do what you can do, but faster, better, and or cheaper. Because it means you are not special / you have to find another bread making method, which requires addition effort.
So you seek physiological, religious, soul arguments to hate and suppress those which support it.

Basically a word by word repetition of the same story with guild masters when factories became a thing, and artists when cameras were invented.

>>7925553
>stollen
haha

>>7925556
define stollen

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>>7925558

>>7925553
saaar you are so right saaaar

>>7925553
this reads like a woman trying to cope and deflect with getting caught for shoplifting

>>7925560
99.999% of people who cook that, have learned the recipe from somebody else, and not reinvented the wheel.
If somebody would make an oven in which you only put in the raw ingredients, prompt a recipe, and in 20 seconds it makes a 95% finished cake, with a 50% success rate, everybody would buy and use it, even half the cooks, while the other half and cook aspirants would cry murder, and that its soulless because it was not made by a human.

>>7925567
stealing an idea, and stealing a physical objects are different. And not being able to tell the difference means you are either a beg who doesnt know how to draw, or somebody who were spoonfed everything from early on and dont know how to learn something on their own.

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>>7925279
>Why does this board is never saar please do the needful for the AI

>>7925558
esl for stolen

>>7925577
i stole a power ranger action figure once because the aliens told me so
they're also telling me you should unplug whatever you have in the other room

>>7925553
I hope one day some retard will generate porn of your kids and then we'll see if you won't change your mind about this shit. But don't worry, it won't happen because you're a genetic dead end

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fuckin chippers will never replace us organics

>>7925583
ahh, I see, very well, carry on

>>7925587
I also stole a candy bar when I was little because my mouth told me so
my mouth is also telling me you should have stopped listening to the voices by now and find a way to abandon /x/

>>7925590
I do too hope you will git gud someday anon,

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>his mouth told him so
>call others schizos
definite estrogenic energy
what an absolute glorble

>>7925287
to add to that, art actually is more important than before, even though layoffs are off the charts. I joined a guy for a couple works and he immediately asked me if he could turn my doodles into 3d models with AI. 2 days later he had the little monster-cyborg i drew in the game and showed it off on Xitter. No one could guess the 3d model was AI and the animations for it were AI because i had drawn a pretty weird thing.

So if you use AI art people will call you out, but if you use a human artist and AI everything else, silence, since you get credit and it might look somewhat original. My take is games will boil down to artwork, design and music, while the rest of the pipeline will be taken over or done much faster.
Weird because i see a lot of artfags learning blender. Like uhhh, i'm not sure it's gonna be that relevant going forward. I could be wrong though

i honestly can't wait for the bubble to burst so all these honest to god retards trying to insult the intelligence of others will finally stop

>>7925599
Twatter is what its called anon and it always was quite shit but E-fag made it shittier.
And Either way How often does your ass tell you to talk shit or is it just gut instincts

>>7925553
I disagree with everything you said. But this topic is stale and I've argued this enough times already. If you seriously view A.I images as a positive thing, then fine. I'm not gonna challenge that worldview. I really don't care anymore.

>>7925655
It was stale a few years ago, its stale now, so I usually skip those threads. I liked your succinct post so I wanted to reply. I wouldnt call it a positive from only points of view. But its here to stay, so might as well learn to live with it. Have a good day si.... saaaar XD.

>>7925577
anon not everyone can cook well and 50% succes rate is not good as a business model with learning you got a 50% chance of salmonella.
buying shit that doesn't work or safe to eat shouldn't be the norm... you said like a curryfag believing its okay to shit on the road

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>>7925577
I like to ask anon is eating pic related will bring the same prestige as opposed to making/ordering one

Art was never meant to be meticulously molded into perfection so it could be palatable to the consumer. 5 years ago I remember the question of "soul" vs commercialization of an art style, before AI was even a thing. Well there you have your answer 5 years later what was missing from the polished turds, the same way we figured out that entirety of all substances of the universe depends the the number of electrons revolving around a proton through technological advancement. So turns out there is a formula that exists for what humans find appealing. I do make an observation that AI generated music isn't as popular as AI generated art. Something about rhythm and balance and the art of unpredictability trips up the algorithm. Did you know that AI researchers have the most trouble getting an AI to carry around eggs with robot arms without breaking them? Something about rhythm and balance comes naturally to humans, though. It's futile to compete against a machine to generate perfect aesthetics. The future cannot be rolled back, to think otherwise is a psychotic fantasy of your control. It's time to draw like singers do. God would be disappointed if THAT'S the thing he throws at us, and now we give up on making another renaissance.

>>7926159
"Before AI was even a thing" I want to correct that to "before AI art was a thing"

whats with the coomer image to attract attention, ranjid? cant type a post normally and find an image that is fitting for the discussion?

AI gives me hope that history will realize the dependence of an entire generation to live their lives out through a screen during 2000s-2020s as a bad dream. When unreality reaches a toxic threshold and there's only so much artificiality that man can tolerate before it overpowers his addiction to overstimulus from a flat board made of pixels. It'll all only be a bad dream, and we'll go back to going outside and marching in protests and doing acid and drugs and meeting others to wear stupid clothing and other retarded faggy stuff but outside and with other people where we can smell each other and look at each other and judge each others intentions like we did for the past 200000 years.
Or we could just die, it's the end of humanity and we all deserve to go to hell for being boring. It would be comedically anticlimatic if it wasn't an overzealous AI turning us into paperclips but a good old fashioned nuke war. That would be so fucking hilarious.
Also electrons revolve around a proton and neutron.

>>7926168
>an entire generation to live their lives out through a screen during 2000s-2020s
that's nothing
we will have neural interfaces
we will have AI generated VR worlds
we will have pods
we will have entire generations "living" in pods

>>7925452
this, AI is its own thing and you can even call it its own art form. Like if you painted frogs and had them jump around a canvas, that's art too, but you're not really controlling the frogs. Its just a new way to generate interesting things.

What AI art will never be, is profitable. How can you charge for something that is supposed to be effortless and easy?

How many replies in this thread is ai generated?

>troll thread is still up
lmao

>>7926271
AI generated text is usually readable and well formatted
Most of this seems to be the usual unintelliglble ESL rambling.

>>7926281
goood morning saaaar

>>7925553
>All work is build on stollen work. It makes you a hypocrite claiming humans dont learn in the same manner.
Because humans don't.
Claiming humans learn in the same way AI is trained is like claiming that driving and walking are essentially the same thing; Sure both take you from point A to point B, but anyone with half a brain can tell you walking and driving are different, and likewise, anyone can tell you that human learning and AI training are different as well.
All the other crap about psychology, religion, and being special were just verbose attempts at covering up how low IQ and simple your argument is.

And this isn't even getting into the stupidity of treating a program like it's human and therefore giving it the same considerations as a human.
Even if humans and AI 'learn' in the exact same manner (they don't), AI training and output is still theft because they're not human (it's a product produced by a thieving corporation) and I don't have to be considerate of it in that way.
Why defend immoral multi-billion dollar companies?

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>>7925279
I dont care about the thread topic but I tried drawing the OP image lol

>>7926328
based

>>7925378
THIS 100% TRUVVTHH
BOMB SHELL DROPPED TO /IC/

>>7926168
ha

in some time after ai will become better than 90% of average teachers, having real teachers will be viewed as problematic. After that, or before, interacting with fellow kids of the same age will be the same (because of "bad influences" and what not), next will be the parents themself. Parents will need a licences to teach their own kids even basic stuff, ("ai does it better anyway, why would you stunt their growth like that?"). All your physiological needs will be met by a machine. Teachers, friends to chat with, ppl to take advices from, 4chan, youtube? Entertainment, education, socializing, all ai generated to control the kind of person you will grow into. The perfect drone to supervisize real drones. If you think things will ever get better, you are wrong. Each generation s treshold will be lowered, by controlling whats viewed as "normal". Generation wars will be pushed from behind the scenes, to better control each younger generation. And free thinkers who try to connect to real people will gain the label of domestic terrorist, or whatever new speech version of it will be contemporary.

>>7925279
For it to be art you need to draw

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>>7925279
>Why does this board is never discussing A.I. art?
We did, and its discussion literally destroyed the board. /ic/ had peaked in the 2013-2019 years. 2021 hits and AI slowly started advancing and that's all she wrote. Jeet faggots kept spamming and doomposting the board and people who were actually fucking good at drawing left.

If you want my take I still believe the doomposting is retarded. People cried about photography completely replacing artists back in the late 1800s, which obviously never happened, the medium just shifted. Even now the only people getting replaced are extremely niche poorly drawn fetish artists, photo bashers or people working in a dying industry like Blizzard or Riot.

People who are actually good at drawing still thrive off it. We're on year 4 of doom faggotry yet there will always be someone willing to hire a human artist if they're good enough. The idea that physical art is dead because of AI is just another part of history repeating itself, if anything people who have the merit to stick to the medium will come out ahead, because so many gave up their passion in the last half decade and will be behind when they see it literally didn't fucking matter.

Nobody likes AI shit except indians there's nothing to discuss really

>>7926377
Photographers created images in a different medium in the different style (100% realism).

AI creates digital art just like digital artists do. There's no reason to support human made art.

Some can flee into watercolors. But who wants to buy that.

AI is the sociopath's wet dream

With how literally everyone is slowly turning against ai due to doomsday scenarios being discussed and taken seriously + the ai bubble destroying the economy and the environment + alien disclosure + low employment rates + low birth rates + the degradation of society and intelligence, ai research and the push for it will eventually be stopped.
If china does the big ai, they will get nuked by the martians.

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>>7926394
What the fuck did you think artists back in the 1800s were making? Artists were commissioned to make realistic portraits of existing people.
This is such a arrogant post.

>>7926394
What is the reason to let indians in your country?

>>7926399
why are you seriously arguing with that disingenuous nigger? nodraw much?

Anyway, the whole ai push is mostly done to push genZ into other industries and jobs no one wants to do because they're shit and paid even worse than shit.
Zoomers will rather stay unemployed and live off air and it will be so fucking funny seeing governments and mainstream media lose their shit like they did in the lockdowns

>>7926401
>why are you articulating your argument so others can see why he's retarded
I know your brown mind will have a hard time understanding this, so I'll put it in terms you can understand. It is always worth ruining the izzat of a Pajeet.

>NOOO SAAR THE AI WILL MAKE ME FINALLY RICH AND FAMOUS SAAR SAAR MY IZZAT NOOOOO
jeets really have worms in their brains

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>>7925279

>>7926399
This picture is very different to the realism depicted by a photograph, just as it is different to someone xeroxcopying a photo. Show your oil painting anyone, he'll never need more than 2 seconds to tell it apart from a photograph. It's basically 2 different styles.

>>7926400
Corrupt crypto-progressive politicians who still buy into the lacking workforce myth perpetuated by salary cutting multinational lgbtq flag flying corporations.

>>7926415
>Show your oil painting anyone, he'll never need more than 2 seconds to tell it apart from a photograph.
Wow. Almost like how an AI image holds the same results with its artifacts and randomized out-of-place designs, compared to an image, even if digitally drawn, that holds a better composition and thought process when made by an intermediate and above.

>>7925603
i really doubt that. It was either a shitty stylized model or the overall quality was so low that it blended in with the rest. 3d AI art is even more noticeable than 2d ai art

>>7925279
what is there to discuss?
>hey guys i just prompted this image of my anime waifu with dicks for nipples, i'm gooning so hard right now!
there's an ai general on any porn board for you to jerk off with fellow men like that. but beyond that there's not anything to say that anyone really cares about. a million people prompt tens of millions of images a day, no one but the prompter themselves actually cares about their prompt.

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>>7926328
>tracing AI generated "photo" or study AI ref
ngmi . anatomy is all fucked up lil nigga

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>>7926377
>We're on year 4 of doom faggotry yet there will always be someone willing to hire a human artist if they're good enough.
this.
AI will NEVER replace real workers regardless of profession. they're shit and will remain shit. 80-20 rule applies hard.

>>7925279
>Enter thread
>Save picture of sexy slut
>See there are more than a hundred wall of text posts falling for the bait
I will be taking my leave, have a good evening everyone.

>>7925279
A.I.artist hate artists and vice versa, Why would this place want to talk about an issue no side will budge on? I have seen more productive discussions in religious debate threads on /his/

>>7925279
bump

>>7926872
>80-20 rule
Carbon artists will be 20% and silicon artists will be 80%

>>7926623
>can't distinguish ai from photo
NGMI

>>7925378
"Holding back progress" meanwhile completely neglecting the obvious fact that without all this human input these generators would be shit. What is progress anyway? You (who cannot discern quality from crap anyway) being able to shit out mangled, uninspired derivatives to outcompete and plagiarize/ scam people into believing you're an artist?
Or maybe progress is megacorporations creating a monopoly while simultaneously turning artists into lubricant for the cogs in a machinery that is running on speculative profit margins and personal greed?

You bugman, technerds are beyond braindead. You've been regurgitating the same flawed talkingpoints for years on end. It's almost embarassing how you can still keep spouting this kind rhetoric while still thinking you're "winning" the argument. You're just further proving how inept, shallow and collectivist you all are.
You are the cattle, the consumer the shallow thinker. The moron. And thanks to there being so many of you true progress cannot happen. So you best believe we share a certain kind animosity towards you. You're like a stain that refuses to go away.

>>7927407
Would be rad if you did alladat without posting this. Maybe don't brag about not caring next time, fella. Coolness revoked!
Make sure you don't reply and make things worse for you!

>>7925422
I will admit my total ignorance of how AI imagery is produced. So having your own personal AI assistant on your computer requires a paywall bondage? Training it on one's own art and using it as a tool to create with would be my goal, especially when I become too feeble to draw. Even if I need to subscribe to a service provider for it.

>>7928704
open source models are increasingly becoming sparse, so while you can have your own local models and assistants, there will come a point where the private models pull further ahead. The jews are increasingly trending towards moving away from locally owned hardware. It wouldn't surprise me if 5 years from now advanced models require you to use cloud computing on top of a pricy subscription effectively pricing out the poors and limiting the kind of content you can generate while ensuring everything you do make is highly surveilled and tied to your identity.

As of right now though you can download the open source models available, use your local hardware and train on your own art. You'd go with a LoRA (standard), DoRA (newer better version of LoRA) or a LyCORIS (high fidelity style or character training). You'd still need to actually use a model that's been trained on stolen art to actually be able to make anything. You could use one of the public domain models that's been trained on all free data, but those suck because it's like trying to ask someone who only cooks pasta to make you some jerk chicken. Your LoRAs are basically like recipes you give to the chef to make a more specific dish but the chef still needs the knowledge specific to the recipe you're giving them.

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>>7925553
>All work is build on stollen work
ESL aside, this is patently false. There is a reason the term "fundies" is often thrown around here. You need to understand certain base line concepts to achieve proficiency in art (composition, anatomy, color theory, etc). Artists copying other art usually a) are plagiarist/tracer hacks, who have since moved on to AI, or b) doing studies to understand techniques involved and they always credit the original art.

>>7926417
cope, ngl

People argue all the time whether something is AI or not. Misattributions to AI or artists already 5 years back when AI was still shit.

No such cases for photography vs portrait art.

>>7928934
Such a fucking bullshit argument based on a technicality. I've heard so many variations of this stance, the fact of the matter is that data WAS needed and it was taken without permission.

>>7928934
There is a fundamental difference in intent. A human artist learns so they can create. An AI company "takes" data so they can build a commercial tool that sells access to the collective labor of millions. Without the "taken" data, the product does not exist. This makes the data a raw material, and in almost every other industry, you have to pay for raw materials.

>>7928934
>they're using ai to gen cp
no shit
recently there was a bodycam vid a of 19yo tranny getting arrested for it and had the balls to say the line
>"b-b-b-but i literally have a tshirt that say kill your local pedophile!"
you can't find the vid on the original channel anymore since it was that bad pr for the trannies and AI

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>>7928942
>I've heard so many variations of this stance
because it the correct position
>the fact of the matter is that data WAS needed and it was taken without permission.
You overestimate how much is "taken" without permission by human creators. If you were an actual artist you'd understand this. If you master fundies then you then the data is strictly optional. Durer did pic related off a crude sketch and description having never seen what an actual rhino looks like. In school? You draw from life and pay for your course material. Photobashing (arguably the worst it gets)? In professional studios they pay for the photographs. Fanart (arguably the most creatively bankrupt)? If that was a problem pre-AI IP holders would have done something about it, or at least raised a huge fuss (they didnt, any exception you dig up from companies like Nintendo will just prove the rule). So fanart in general (and other forms of derivative art) became part of the social contract/protected by parody laws.
Meanwhile Disney is suing Midjourney into oblivion because it advertised the ability to create characters they own. There is a line that AI has definitely crossed which the kikes are desperately trying to obfuscate with stupid pilpul, trying to give it human rights/privileges despite its capability being completely outside human bounds.

>>7928958
it's the anthropomorphizing of their software. Legitimately one of the reasons I think grifters like Sam Altman were trying to push the AGI and sentience angle so hard on top of hyping their product. If you can definitively state that the software is "sentient" all of a sudden the bullshit arguments they use hold water. The facts are, they don't. They scraped all of the information on the net without permission and as this anon >>7928948 puts it,

>Without the "taken" data, the product does not exist. This makes the data a raw material, and in almost every other industry, you have to pay for raw materials.

The jews are getting called out on their bullshit, so now they're trying to pivot to it being a matter of international dominance and national security while.... also pocketing all the money? Uhhhh right. Jews gonna jew.

>slopgptbot is loose again
nigger no one cares about your bad faith arguments and gaslighting already spammed to death on this board
kill yourself

>>7928673
fagget behavior, replying when you should be commending anon for not giving a fuck and warning others not to fall for bait

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>>7928940
>No such cases for photography vs portrait art
You literally don't know what you're talking about.

Can an LLM learn what humanity is by absorbing the totality of human creation? No, it cannot. It cannot therefore replace human art.

AI generated imagery does pose a threat to artists in commercial industries where original output isn't necessary. What the long term consequences will be of this, of these industries becoming dependent on LLMs which will continue to iterate upon itself over generations, nobody can say.

The expansion of AI generated imagery has already and will continue to bolster a market for human art. It is now more possible than ever for the entrepreneurial artist to engage in the patron system and create a base loyal to them as an artist.

I assume nobody talks about this because this is all self evident, tired, and irrelevant. This is an art board, after all.

>ai bad
>*uses chatgpt to write his post*

>>7925279
Honestly we need a containment board for it

>>7929074
Wait, so using AI is supposed to prove it’s bad? That’s a weird flex. If it’s actually useful enough that you’re leaning on it to make your point, you’re kind of undercutting yourself. Either it’s trash and you shouldn’t need it, or it’s helpful — in which case acting like using it is some kind of own doesn’t land.

But sure, keep shaking your fist at the machine while quietly using it anyway — real cutting-edge Luddite energy.

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ai is only 'threatening' soulless commodity art and the people mad about it are just worried about money and ego. The people making HR slides, toothpaste ads and FOTMs in a white-void are fucked; and being mad some indian can replace your job with chatGPT like they did for blue collars is fair. But were you REALLY putting your heart into that fintech 'whoopsie doodle' 404 page or bocchi the rock feet pic? Maybe i'm just a jaded salaryfag because i put personal passion into my corpo 'dream job' before losing it, but there needs to be a separation between Art(tm) as a commodity and art as an expression.

I'm guilty of playing with localgens to make some /d/eranged gooner comic for myself to see how far into niche internet fetish art i could take it- and while it did take a lot of manual shooping and mspaint to gamble on the seeds, i got something well above my technical drawing ability. BUT I didn't actively make it with any emotion. there's no personal expression, it's like getting linux to work. it's deterministic. the picture is not art. there was too much separation between my input and the final output. it's like saying youre a sculptor because a seed you planted became a flower. The garden arrangement is the only part that could be considered art, despite the final output being the pretty part

ai art is not art, but it is a cheaper substitute for Art(tm). If you liked drawing, you'd do it regardless of money or attention. If your art is worth paying for, people will pay for it. Maybe you just need to be honest on valuing your art through the 'Art(tm)' lense. What does it offer versus your competition? People still go to farmers markets. there's still an economy out there for handmade bakeries despite factories existing. Are you trying to sell handmade doritos in front of a walmart?

human batteries having their neurons tickled by jingle keys sloptent has existed for decades now. the only difference between fruit love island and finger family is scale.

>>7931223
>pretending to be retarded

Can I post ai pics on this board? I’m looking for a board where threads don’t sink without constant bumps.

>>7932674
It's not against the rules but idk what the point would be. It's a "learning to draw" board and no one here considers AI to be actually "drawing". No one is going to give you advice on prompts or training loras or whatever.
If you just want to talk about the aesthetics merits of AI pics then that's also allowed, but again most people will probably just shit on it if they know it's AI.

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>>7931313
This is a retarded cope. People *should* have the opportunity to make careers out of making art. Some of the best art/artists existed because they were able to do this, going all the way back to Renaissance where historically iconic things like the Sistine Chapel were commissioned. In a capitalistic system that is the only way anyone can master such a discipline. Would artists like Leyendecker/Frazetta/Rockwell have achieved as much and graced us with their work if they were forced to wage slave 9-5 to get by? If you appreciate art on any live why would you wish for it to be relegated to hobbyists who can only afford to devote a tiny fraction of their time to it.

>>7934981
*on any level

>>7925279
because "AI art" is not art.

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I have been playing around with chatgpt lately and i've gotta say that to do research or explore concepts/ideas or hone your rhetoric, play out arguments etcetera, it is a pretty good tool.
You feed it images, you can get out "results" if you're just aiming for low kitsch tier stuff like making things realistic which just copies the image and puts filters on top and texture and all that shit, but you go more into actual creative work that only reads to people, it starts to put extra stuff.

Would i use it for my own shit? Fuck no.

>>7940110
It's a tool in some contexts but in many others it's not. Like if a car is a tool then using AI is like calling an uber (vs driving yourself). Once the fundamentals of what you are doing are stripped from you it stops being a tool and it becomes more of servant/employee/service.

>>7925279
This board is about making art, not commissioning others to make it for you. /trash/ has the commission thread, go post there.