if you're a teenager just draw doesn't work because you still lack lived experiences to develop some critical thinking skills that allow you to develop your other skills.
It's was easier to learn something new at an older age.
If you just do thing and never think, then you might as well just keep goonscrolling on tiktak.

>>7936468
half the population has sub 100iq

>>7936468
to just draw means to resist the most mind crushing, addictive, demotivating distractions in life that are pushed on you DAILY by governments and corporations (who are working together to ruin your life). As burnt out millenials we can just draw because we don't need tablets or even the internet really. We can unplug sometimes. But imagine being a teenager born with an ipad in your crib. Its over.

The fact that he acn even draw the second picture and finish it is an enormous achievement for a 2026 artist.

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>>7936468
I could be wrong but "just draw" works for most artists because most artists copy. "Just draw" doesn't work if you're just doodling and drawing from imagination all of the time when you're still a beginner.

/ic/ has proven time and again that “just draw” is a beg trap.

>>7936468
mogs toyotaro

>>7936468
i'm not an ultrabeg so seeing this i can tell that the artist has enhanced a lot and went out of his way to perfectly mimick the low skill drawing on the left as a joke while also displaying massive skill improvements

>>7936468
honestly, there's clear improvement, even if it's still shit and slow for 6 years.

>>7936468
A lot of people fail at "just draw" because they don't really get that drawing is a skill and has more in common with learning a language or picking up a musical instrument. You can't just randomly fumble your way through art for years and hope to come out with success, you have to strike a careful balance between targeted effective study and play while also being fucking consistent.

But I can't totally blame people for going ahead with random fumbling because the online American art community is broken:

>it's full of gatekeepers who DON'T want the practical methods available to potential new artists (because that would mean competition)
>there are artists who are happy to mentor and share their methods, but they're horrible at teaching and forget the massive gap in skill between the mentor and student, let alone how to help a newbie improve without shit flying over their head
>public school art programs are ass and are generally run by hacks who couldn't make it through art school, leeches looking for an easy paycheck, losers who don't value art history, or artists who don't fully commit themselves to their craft (which means they can't actually help students improve quickly)

The Practical Way of Drawing is something like this:

warmups/exercises/training:
>continuous overlapping lines/shapes
>grind lines/shapes/forms
>blind contours
>gesture studies
>negative space drawing
>envelope method
>drawing upside down/flipping the canvas
>draw with your non-dominant hand or with one eye closed

study:
>draw a subject from memory
>find references, then trace them and break them down into shapes and forms
>put references away and draw from memory, then take out references and draw while looking at them (repeat the process)
>draw from life (nature, toys, plastic models, cups, furniture, etc)
>read lots of comics and look at artwork of all kinds

play: when not studying, just draw...anything you want!

>>7936472
i drew better than OP at 15

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>>7936468
this is why every academic makes you draw from life. Realism is not in the hand, its learning measurement and observation and having a target goal to hit.

>>7936748
I aint drawing lolis from life anon wtf, ARE YOU?

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>>7936769
Why not?

>>7936548
>joke
anon, he actually draws like that....

>>7936803
Report this nigga for being too epsteiny

>>7936468
soul

>>7936468
"just draw" isn't an advice that you should take and run it to its logical conclusion, rather a quip at howies to snap back to reality, stop sciencing art, and to actually start practicing techniques

improvement comes from analyzing what's wrong

>>7936769
why not? you think you're too good to draw god's creations?

I have a friend who draws even worse than this but wants to get better so hes constantly asking me for advice. I tell him what I can but none of it matters because every single thing I say requires drawing it over and over and he only draws one thing per session and then calls it a day. And not even every day, more like once a week. I don't know how to get him to realize he has to draw the body frame over and over for hours, at least ten of them in a row.

>>7937598
Have you tried telling him that you have to draw the body frame at least ten times in a row

>>7937598
just out right tell him that he needs to draw 1-2 hours a day of constant studies. That should be the bare minimum. Pros draw almost 5-6 times as long on average. Just say it's like studying for a class or test. if that scares him, just out right tell him to quit wasting time at this point.

The blank expanse intimidates. And most fledgling artists think whatever makes it to paper must represent them, but they are but the bricks one makes their first real drawing from.

>>7937603
Yes, you ESL. That was implied already.

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>>7936468
I get super fucking depressed when my twitter posts under perform likes/engagement ratio then I don't have the energy to draw for like 2 weeks. Nothing worse then not being able to know why something Is under performing, why does one post do well and not another?

>>7936468
I find drawing to be the least intuitive skill in existence by a pretty fair margin. I don't know how to practice it effectively because I genuinely don't understand how the skill is performed on any level. Watching people draw, even if it's just simple childish doodles, has always been utterly baffling to me.

>>7936468
He doesn’t know the first thing about forms and still completes with rendering. What a hero. Yall could learn a thing or two.

Really it’s because kids are stupid and need to be handheld through basic processes. Adults can teach themselves if they are average intelligence, but teaching yourself looks like seeking out resources from other people, lots of copying and more delayed gratification; edging your brain with art.

>>7936468
unfiltered autism and them not realizing what their actual purpose in life.

Because random regular non-autistic people can pickup drawing from reading stupid Christopher Hart drawing manuals

Autistics will go through Chris Hart, Andrew Loomis, Colossso, Proko, Russian art academies and still come out drawing retarded shit that doesn't even look solid.

>>7937598
Even the people who “get it” have to re-do sections of individual pieces, and that’s after learning muscle memory, form, perspective, rendering. Your friend is essentially going to the gym, picking up the 25lbs dumbbell, doing ten reps, and wondering why he isn’t in shape. Explain it to him that way. Also get him tracing so he can see that there are a million different lines to choose from and most are wrong.

>>7936468
It was much easier to just draw when I was younger and worse. I didn't care about my skill level I just wanted to express ideas and draw things I like. Now that I'm actually good and make money from art, I can't make myself draw without a ton of stress and time wasting. If I skip one day of drawing then its nearly impossible to start again the next day. I just have nothing else to say anymore. I have nothing else to learn, I hit the cap of worthwhile gain. And the internet is in decline so its only downhill from here.

>>7936468
>>7938869
Pretty much what my problem was. autism or whatever the fuck they label any mental deviation now. I'm somewhere on the spectrum and usually need an introduction to shit to form a foundation to work around or get started and get some kind of momentum. Thankfully I'm not entirely crippled by it, and can usually branch out and form my own processes and thoughts for progression after I get rolling, but when it comes to something like art where the initial starting stretch feels extremely vast and open ended, it was a lot to process. It doesn't help I'll pretty much only listen or pay attention to people if I like their style.
I eventually got the ball rolling by just trying to color random line art, doing PS shitpost edits, or just general fucking around in a program until I would get ideas or an urge to at least try and put some shapes together. Spend enough time as a retard trying to color shit outside of your level, and you eventually start paying attention to shapes and proportions, and if you're coloring with a tablet you begin forming the muscle memories as you try to minimize and correct mistakes when you have a vendetta against the bucket tools and fucking with the tolerance constantly.

>"just draw"
>everything gets distorted

>>7937621
Autists shouldn't be allowed on the internet

>>7936468
It largely worked for me until recently but now I am suffering from extreme attenspan brainrot. Sure I wasted time before but due to a long work trip where I only had my phone as entertainment for 4 weeks it got especially bad. I hope deleting xitter will help I dont use any of the other shit.

>>7936468
Honestly "Just Draw" was a well meaning trap from people who truly only needed to just draw. I don't know what was in them, but their natural inclination for drawing was to always try different things or something. Assuming everyone kinda flowed and improved their own thing by just doing.

Painful first few years.

Just draw results in permabegs.

>>7939359
just draw works if you actually stop after drawing to analyze flaws (and compare to what you are copying if copying) to figure something to change or improve next. Without observation and analysis, just drawing from imagination for hours will yield little to no improvement.

>>7939895
<<Just Draw(tm)>> is the first step that 90% of the people don't bother to do

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>>7939895
See that's the thing! I have a largely negative relationship to just draw because I'm fucking stupid. Art is not some intuitive thing to me, however I guess you can say study is? Back when I first started I was already copying other artist, watching streams, utilizing their methods, but I wasn't really improving.

During that time there wasn't a lot of readily available information on the internet, so most I could do is ask the already skilled people around me. They would tell me to "Just Draw" As if the act of aimlessly drawing would do anything for me. It was only after years of more copying, more studying that I finally understood it to be more "Draw constantly and with purpose and intention."

People being able to flow off of their own mojo and no other methods of study are fucking magical to me. (Pic is my early years)

>just draw!!

okay, lets simulate someone trying to draw correctly
>sit around waiting until you get a good idea
>this could take weeks but lets say you have an idea already to be fair
>start thumbnailing the idea and thinking about what sort of composition it should have
>this is minimum 20 minutes of high intensity focus sketching to invent a new and interesting drawing
>you didn't get a good thumbnail so you just wasted 20 minutes and billions of calories
>start drawing something anyways because JuSt DrAw
>you have to look for a reference for the pose
>go online and search for a suitable reference that fits the pose you want
>another 30 minutes of research
>didn't find anything and the idea is slipping away
>settle on a similar pose and hope you can draw the rest from imagination
>begin actually constructing the pose because its an all new pose you have never seen before so by definition you don't know how to draw it
>30 minutes of constructing a stiff and shitty body
>now to sketch over the construction and try to improve it
>a solid hour of real drawing
>its shit
>start lining it while fixing the numerous errors
>another solid hour gone
>now to color it, 20 minutes just putting the flats (assuming you instantly know what colors to use which is not how it works, more like 40 minutes)
>determine the light source and then add the shadows, another 15 minutes of HIGH INTENSITY FOCUS AND PHYSICS CALCULATIONS
>now you have a shitty drawing that took god knows how long
>it needs le background so they're not in a void
>start thumbnailing backgrounds (20 minutes gone)
repeating the entire process again

>>7939969
>can't draw any pose from imagination
Brvtally megamogged by every single comic artist in history

nodraws be like
>drawing is bad for becoming better at drawing
>my proof? severely autistic children on the internet and my headcanons

>>7940002
I'm not a no draw and the statement is "Just draw" No one is saying you shouldn't draw, of course drawing is a component of improvement, it's just the concepts of aimless drawing hoping it will make you better just by doing it. It comes preloaded that you aren't retarded and will make the proper moves to improve naturally. A lot of us are retarded.

>>7940002
Lazy faggots will make excuses to not do things and demoralize others, literally what else is new? Misery loves company.

people forget that the origins of just draw were from a hardcore fundamentals guy and it was meant as a first step for beginners to get started

>>7936468
the idea that some people "learn" how to draw is absolutely hilarious. you either have the ability or you don't. people who "learn" always had it in them, their interest was just never expressed until then.

>>7936468
They don't want to draw they just want to make money being famous artists never ever drawing because they're legit retarded.

>>7936472
exactly. as the old saying goes, "you can't teach a puppy new tricks"