>>219457778
Bump for you

How do I improve listening?

>>219454970
So you've tried all the languages I'm currently considering. Should I give up Spanish or French while learning German at the same time? I'm afraid that French might be too difficult to learn at the same time, but on the other hand, it would be a shame to leave the more difficult one for last, especially since I occasionally want to learn Japanese (and Portuguese, Greek, Russian, Swedish... It depends if I randomly hear a good song in foreign language or not, but I will try to make a bubble only with current TLs)

>>219458843
Drop French for now, focus on German and Spanish. Once you have more experience and a couple langs under your belt, you'll have an easier time with the harder ones. I'm a fan of the start easy and work your way up approach.

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>>219459237
Ok, Spanish and German then

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>>219457778
Honestly I think IPA is really helpful

Spanish is hard

>>219446183
>>219445839
the old/early research that tested short term recall of learned material found that morning was the best. the newer research that focuses more on long term retention and sleep consolidation doesn't find robust correlations for time of day but does consistently find that sleeping/napping improve retention, so might be valuable to rest after studying or review anki right before bed.

but an easy hack for improved retention is to turn of all lights for 3-4 hours before bed, turn the brightness on any screens way down and install a blue light filter. Bright light delays melatonin onset which degrades sleep quality and thus consolidation. You can use candles or oil lantern which are many times lower in lux/edi than even a very dim lamp.

This isn't a minor finding, either. They've been doing a ton of research on this in the last 1-2 years and some of the researchers think that a lot of modern ADHD symptoms and a large portion of modern mood and memory disorders in general may be a result of circadian disruption from bright light at night

>>219460347
i like ale too it helps me study

rate my mandarin
https://vocaroo.com/1oFkAtAYrBni

>>219460455
>thinks the easiest second-language for a native english speaker to learn is hard
grim

>>219460883
Don't shit on people trying to learn a new language, it's a bad look on you

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I found a dabbling hack
I use my other TL to learn a new one

>>219461247
it's called "bridging"

>>219460883
nta but I think dutch, swedish, norwegian, german are all easier than spanish

>>219461643
Grammatically, yes, but taking into account
>amount of learning resources and media available
>hourly rate for tutors
>motivation to actually learn it due to it's utility
>amount of native speakers that will practice with you instead of switching to English immediately
Spanish blows those bitches out of the water

>>219461643
>>219462006
>German
>Grammaticaly easier for English native speakers
rly?

>>219460455
Which aspect?

Japanese is HARD

Here's how you mindbreak the ESL who struggles with articles:

In Canada, if you order a Caesar, you're ordering a drink. If you order the Caesar, you're ordering a salad.

>>219460883
swedish is a good 2x times easier to learn than spanish

>>219462828
obviously German still has far more in common with English than French or Spanish does, both have weak and strong adjectives, verbs, nouns (the distinction is largely gone in English), modals, weird plurals, articles, vocab correspondences, phonology, etc.
Other than French (because vocab) it's still easier than like every other non-Germanic language for EFLs to learn

>>219462006
hey argie fren can you answer me this
>>219442793
>>219442844

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>>219445839
For certain personality types prone to suffer from overthinking and distraction, I think now the best way to orient yourself towards consistent study (and let's be real, tangible progress) is to handle your objective as you would your hygiene, rather than a programmed series of progressions you must complete. I've extrapolated this from some advice from a /fit/izen about six or so years ago:
>People with good physiques exercise roughly the same amount every week. Lifting weights, running, swimming, biking, etc. A modicum of self control in regards diet and a few hours a week of exercise is all it takes to be attractive. What gymcels get wrong is that they aren't using their sense of moderation. They tend to be all-or-nothing types that relapse hard on bad habits because they don't know how to gracefully handle slumps in energy and motivation. In their minds, even a slight deviation from whatever program they've contrived means a complete failure. They make it too integral to their personality. Just treat it instead like brushing your teeth twice a day, showering, washing your clothes, vacuuming, etc.
As the pithy platitude you've likely heard before puts it, the best way to learn is to inculcate a desire within yourself to be a 'lifelong-learner.' This is the positive way you can interpret that /DJT/ meme "You can't learn Japanese." There really is no end to learning your TL, and fluency is not a mountain peak you can distinctly measure and time and plan for at base camp. It's something you habitually attend to like brushing your teeth or working out.
Maybe you're humiliated from a recent visit to the dentist's office where you were scolded for not brushing your teeth. Well, just brush two times a day from now on.
Maybe you're despondent over getting rejected by a girl you liked. Well, go to the gym at least three times a week and pump iron.
It's not like you'll die if you skip brushing your teeth, but it ought to make you feel gross.

>>219463742
native english speaker here

people say caesar salad not the caesar

wtf is a caesar drink?

>>219463742
i wouldn't ever order either nor go to canada, but i will sure to remember this so my mind doesn't get broken

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>>219464183
Betting on it being some barfag jargon probably referring to some mixture of alcohol that nobody knows except for him because he worked as a bartender once
...yep

>>219463938
but I am doing consistent study. I've spent at least 2 hours on my TL every single day. I haven't missed a day.

I thought of less study, but I wouldn't accomplish all I want. I do structured lessons mon-friday, anki input and output everyday, and weekends on error correction

You can use anki for vocab but how do you learn grammar and conventions?

>>219464378
You can do that with Anki too. Sentence mining.

>>219464348
So by dint of the analogy, you're brushing your teeth every day. Good!
>I thought of less study, but I wouldn't accomplish all I want.
There is no end. So being less anal-retentive about the minutiae won't hurt.
>I do structured lessons mon-friday, anki input and output everyday, and weekends on error correction
So you brush only on weekdays, use mouthwash every day, and you see the dentist on the weekends. Very specific of you.

>>219457778
What should I do with the corrections I receive from natives when I try to output? How do I internalize what they teach me?

>>219464378
By making cloze cards of phrases of the grammar point you are trying to memorize

>>219464348
i watch 6 hours of gaming videos in my TL every day

>>219464729
How is your overall comprehension?

>>219464615
Clarification and drills. Keep a log of your frictions and feed it to AI once a week and tell it you want to drill errors, and direct you to where to find clarification so you understand these concepts. The AI will be able to determine the grammar concept or area that you struggle

That's what I do. I keep a friction log every week, and if I still struggle with something I keep writing it down every week

>>219464729
What games?

>>219464615
Honestly, a good corrector will know what to correct and what not to. They won't correct little things that they know you won't remember. So basically just let them correct you, and try to keep their correction in mind, but if you forget it, don't worry, because if you forget it it was probably too early for that correction.

>>219464341
Caesars are very popular in Canada.

>>219464755
How do I drill their clarification? I was thinking about making Anki cards build like what I mean on the front the corrected sentences by a native of what I did output on the back

>>219464751
I unironically went from understanding almost nothing (knew a lot of words intellectually but wasnt able to recognize them in real content) to understanding the large majority of what I hear in like 2-3 months of doing this

>>219464802
mostly random horror/mystery games and shit like that

>>219464902
Drinking is mostly limited to your generation and prior.

>>219465035
I did a lot of progress with reading and vocab but my listening is practically inexistent. I can read and understand 90% of a text but I am unable to understand spoken language.

I have no idea on how start since the language I am learning don't have a national cinema, I just have podcasts and news channel.

>>219464986
after doing that with AI it direct you toward a resource to use for drilling. Or you can tell it to make you a text file of Anki cards to drill

>>219464986
>>219465375
by the way, you don' drill the clarification. you drill the correction. the clarification is for understanding before youdrill

tthen you keep drilling until it cements internally and becomes automatic

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>>219464986
this is what it looks like for me to have AI make an error correction study plan for me

>>219465637
Thanks for the help, man

How do I get the discipline to make it through the first three months of tedious Anki memorization?

>>219465151
Blind shadowing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=130bOvRpt24&t=2220s

>>219465035
Another win for input, what TL

>>219465868
why tedious? i think anki is fun. are you taking it too seriously? i notice some people actually get worked up over not remembering something right away or having to sit down to do this. just don't take it too seriously and don't let it get to you that you're a retard, just press "again" and do it again until you remember it. that's how this system works, next day you'll see the card again and press "again" once more, rinse repeat until you can confidently press "good" and move on. it's a process, not a test that decides over life and death. just relax and go thru it. nothing to stress over, since you are about ot fail many times over in the coming months, that's just how it goes.
might seem like a nobrainer and a bit of a plattitude but actually take it to heart. just relax man

>>219465072
I'm a Zoomer. Regardless all children know what a Caesar is because their parents order that at Boston Pizza or whatever the fuck.

>>219467069
nta but need to get fluent enough to develop a new TL friend circle and look for a spouse while I'm still young enough to be in the youth dating market. its not just an idle hobby for everyone. no time to take it easy

>>219468534
you certainly have a different set of problems but it's not what you think it is

>>219457778
How to get purple hair duolingo goth gf

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>>219452103

>>219469012
come to america

eu aprendo Portugues para miscigenação com Brancas

LA MIA PASTA È FREDDA
È FINITO

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Can you guys recommend me some Mandarin vloggers?

>>219460811
I'd give you a 8/10. Your tone is mostly correct, and I can understand you the first time around.

Hello /int/, I never post on this board but I have a family trip to Japan coming up. We are staying for 20 days, and I wanted to learn Japanese to comfortably interact with locals / sign reading in the most effective manner. I speak Spanish natively and I am above average at language learning, although I am not familiar at all with east asian languages or irregular scripts like Japanese. Is the best method the classic flashcard / spaced repetition, which helped me learn russian, or is there a better method given japanese's unique script-language relation? Any tip that can improve standard study is appreciated. Hope you are all having a great Monday.

>>219472465
learning japanese is a several-thousand-hour endeavor. its the third hardest difficult major language besides arabic and korean. the best you can hope for is to memorize some basic phrases

Any good resources on Chinese calligraphy? Preferably with hard-point pens and for writing Kaishu. Either in English or Chinese is fine
>in4 you don’t need to handwrite Hanzi bro
I know, I’m doing this for fun

>>219472465
>>219472465
you won't reach beyond beginner in less than a year of studying japanese

find a japanese survival phrase deck for Anki with audio and cram it until you go

japanese people don't even go beyond smalltalk with each other so it'll get you far lol

>>219472613
>>219472529
Thank you for the advice. It is good that Japanese avoid small talk lol, in Georgia it was a chatterfest as soon as they realized you could speak with them. I will take this into consideration and try and prepare a travel toolbox. Do any of you reccomend digging into grammar, what script do street signs and buisness logos usually employ? Is it remotely worth it to try and learn the phonetics to maybe try and figure out what's there?

Does anyone know of any programs/extensions that can turn videos with subs into visual novels? I think language reactor does that but I'd rather not get a million ads. I feel I've seen something like that a few years ago but not sure.

>>219472746
japanese don't avoid smalltalk. that is all they do. it's very unlikely you'll have a conversation with one beyond smalltalk

you wont be able to memorise enough kanji to read signs. you can use google lens for reading signs

you can memorise hiragana, katakana, and survival phrases. because all japanese do is smalltalk they'll think you can speak passably but you just memorised a bunch of phrases

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>>219472573
>English
Picrel
>or Chinese
Anything written by the recently late 田英章

>I’m doing this for fun
Based

>>219452103
>>219469036
The issue here is that a sentence may not seem "correct" even if it's grammatically plausible because its structure can render it unparsable, this holds true regardless of whether you take a descriptive approach or a prescriptive one
For example, two semantically equivalent utterances using "look up":
>I looked the number which you picked out at random by using a needle and a phonebook up
>I looked up the number which you picked out at random by using a needle and a phonebook
In this case the vast majority of English speakers would prefer the latter variant over the former as the sheer distance (15 words) between the verb "look" and its complement "up" can make parsing the sentence highly difficult, both variants are correct syntactically speaking but there's a clear reason why most people would pick one over the other. And in the case of "she's an ugly horse faced" the technically correct phrase is deemed vague and incomplete as most people would expect a noun (like "bitch") to come after it, this isn't a matter of style guide prescriptivism but an actual subconscious preference for unambiguity that's exhibited in every language.
Parsability is also the reason why if you chain a bunch of dense noun phrases together (exhibited by some of the posts in that thread) the sentence will end up being hard to keep up with and it would most likely have to be rephrased to be more concise or broken down into easier to digest clauses so people would have an easier time understanding it

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>>219473718
Also, this is the type of pen I bought. It's the most similar to the pen in the manual

Does your language have any fun particles that are hard to translate? Swedish has "ju" (I know that you know this, kinda) and "väl" (expresses reservation, kinda).

>tra and fra mean the same thing in Italian
Which do I use?

>>219473718
>>219473913
Thanks fren! I’ve actually come across 田英章 before in some Chinese youtuber’s rant on “江湖书法”, mentioning how his writing (Kaishu or otherwise) actually sucks dick and too “personalized” (and that’s bad apparently?) and antithetical to 书法 in general (he should have “gone with the flow” to “express his true character” or something equally pretentious at least to my gwailo mind). I’m just saying to get this out of my mind, and I’ll still definitely check him out.

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>>219474568
I just found a PDF of the book that isn't on a sketchy torrent site:
>https://bircokcincekitappdf.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/document.pdf
The one problem I have is, at least in the US, that I have no idea how to obtain the ink the author suggests using short of visiting China and bringing it back. However there are other brands of 碳素墨水 I've found on AliExpress from M&G, but as it is the case with Chinese products, it's probably dubious.

>>219472465
HELLO IBERIAN
can you answer me this >>219463925

>>219457778
I hate the ad for New Zealand travel

>>219472573
书法字典大全

>>219475765
>>219476718
谢谢大哥们!

LIVE!!

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>>219465868
If you would consult serbanons graph...

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>>219472799
>turn videos with subs into visual novels

Interesting way of putting it. The free ones that I know are Language Reactor and ASBPlayer. There's also some workflows for mpv if you're into that shit.

>>219472799
Your eyes, fingers, keyboard, and a word processor

.

bump

/LANG/ DOOD WAT NOU!!!!????

>>219487247
People are busy

Russian is hard

>>219488960
im hard

>>219489476
hey hard i’m barred from entering 3 separate sovereign nations and the supermarket down the road

>>219460347
It's really not. They are only good enough approximations. You have to train your ear to recognize the sounds of different languages.

>>219489802
did you know the duolingo irish course used to have native speaker audio, that they replaced with TTS slop

how do you determine what cefr level your writing is?

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Is there anything like the Nicos Weg series, but for Spanish? Optionally, where the main character is a German named Klaus who came to Spain and was robbed?

>>219480175
>this feels good but I'm not making progress
what to do at this juncture? i can maintain my current routine indefinitely (input heavy, studying light) but i'm not convinced i'm getting the gains i want

>>219492042
you got to up the difficulty but at some point it does seem like you hit a point of diminishing returns

comprehensive input is bullshit but people will keep falling for the meme
spend a year doing CI and come out of it not even able to speak basic sentences

>>219491810
Destinos
Okupas

>>219492786
keep at it buddy english is hard

>>219492827
Thank you

>>219492786
it has to actually be comprehensible input in the sense of you are able to follow it not in the sense of just being labeled 'CI'. Material can be comprehensible without being labeled as such. material labeled CI can be incomprehensible.

sometimes 'CI' won't work if the quality of the material is low and/or if its a very difficult or exotic language, but its still the most time-efficient method when done properly. if you don't believe it works read this
https://www.slideshare.net/slideshow/lingua-latina-per-se-illustrata-pars-i-1pdf/261371290

>>219493017
I think my biggest issue is that I always want to be a little too big for my britches with the input. Somewhere I read that it was supposed to be like 90% comprehensible or something, I probably run more like 60 or 70. I mostly follow along but regularly miss words or misunderstand grammar and occasionally will eat a whole sentence I don't know what the fuck is going on.

>>219491810
Like a tv show made for learners? Extra en Español

>>219493017
i just don't get why you guys are such retarded "either or" autists that it doesn't compute with you that watching 2000 hours of content without ever speaking is not going to make you good at speaking. acquiring a language is a set of skills and ideally you should diversify the exercises you do, including input, output practice, creative writing, and even be aware of grammatical concepts.
just seems like a lot of people on here are massive pussies who have never learned how to study so they cope all day long and make posts, in english exclusively of course, about comprehensible input as if they got paid for it. and usually they really have nothing to show for it.
>well you see a baby spends its first years not speaking at all, just absorbing unfilte-ACK!
shut the fuck up blockhead

>>219493261
I don't have the raw thirdie power it takes to confidently Output despite not actually knowing the language worth a shit, and for this reason I will never get better

>>219493261
eurofag didnt ask

>>219493553
you can practice writing first to get a bit more confident in your ability to express yourself and then slowly start casually smalltalking once every so often. else what's the point kek
>>219493709
stop typing, you still have 50 episodes of dora the explorer backlogged for today that will make you able to roll an r once you're through with them

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I'm thinking about making a program like langreactor that rips subtitles and pipes them to a translation dictionary API

but instead of being a $20 a month service it'll be FOSS for no cost

>>219493799
>pipes them to a translation dictionary API
what does that do? is this meant for translation of individual words while watching something?

>>219493847
yes. I could pipe it to google translate as well for accurate tranlation instead of fluffed up subs that may have have little to do with what the words mean. that would make a big difference for learning

>>219493731
>roll an r
no need, since I don't learn euro languages. listening to obnoxious eurotards in english is bad enough

>>219493936
didn't know we invented the R but nice to know
>>219493879
deepl better

>>219458619
Listen intently and over and over.

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sometimes i want to do a ridiculous amount of anki because it's comfy as shit. i sit outside in a garden shed with an ancient laptop and smoke cigarettes and just want to keep doing this shit for 5 hours but i have a feeling you can't retain any of that knowledge and while i'm sure there are cool videos i could watch, i just barely care for watching videos. i just want to ankigoon ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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I have two Anki decks

Production and whatever it's called when you translate from the TL to your native tongue which I'll call input. I've been doing both. The same words just the cards are flipped.

Should I phase out my input cards and just do production?

elon.io is so good, but the repetition is already killing me. I hate this forced SRS bullshit in every app, I want novelty, just give me NOVELTY. I don't want to type the same shitty sentence 50 times. I want to type 50 different sentences once. Why can't someone make a language learning app that isn't complete dogshit?

>>219495847
>ai images for all the lesson covers
>click on korean, go to a random lesson
>unnatural textbook sentences, no one talks like this, will not prepare you to understand real speakers, will condition you to sound weird when you try to speak

but point taken about the SRS. i'm making a bunch of language learning apps right now. ideally the srs should track the specific principle/object of that card and represent it in different context every time rather than just showing the exact same sentence over and over

>>219490300
I didn't know

>>219495985
>unnatural textbook sentences, no one talks like this

It doesn't really matter, it's just a nice way to activate output after inputting for a while. Like /lang/ translation challenge but with progressive sentences and with instant feedback.

I just realized the sentences in each lesson are publicly available so it would be pretty easy to scrape and make my own version with no SRS crap. Tick off which lessons you want to include -> gives you a random sentence from the pool -> if you get it right, it's gone from the pool -> if you get it false, shuffle and try again later.

God damn. I understand pretty well when the dialogue is clear, but as soon as a character in this series is speaking through a radio it's like my comprehension goes from 96-98% down to 0%.
I'm wondering if I should train comprehension on just people speaking through radios.

The Assimil language learning series is really good. I'm over 1/4 through Assimil With Ease, over a month in, and my comprehension is becoming decent, both reading and listening. My pronunciation improved a lot as well. Before I started Assimil I could only understand maybe 5% of what I heard. Now I'm at like understanding 60-70% of what I hear.

Once I finish the With Ease book, I'm going to start the second advanced one that is supposed to get you to B2 if you internalise most of it.

I recommend Assimil to everyone. It can be hard to keep up in the beginning if you're not an good at listening but after a month your mind will largely be adjusted to it. The audio isn't really very slow. Except the first few lessons are pretty slow. As you advance in the lessons it quickly reaches a pace that's closer to the speed that the language is spoken at natively. Most courses will teach you speaking at a snail's pace, then after you're done with the course and you move onto native media it's like you're suddenly thrown into the deep end and can't keep up. You may as well learn to listen to the language at a native pace when you're first getting started learning instead of having to spend a lot of time later adjusting to native speeds.

There's not much I have to complain about Assimil. Assimil is also highly regarded by Alexander Arguelle.

what should my daily limits on anki be?

>>219497656
assimil = basically graded bilingual texts with recordings?

>look for cartoons dubbed in russian
>they're all just dubbed straight over the original audio
>mfw simpson has been professionally dubbed in catalan but not russian
why are they like this?

>>219498138
with notes and reviews and designed for learning, and some grammar teaching

>>219498327
"Professional" dubbing was reserved for big screen releases for a long time. So look for your Pixar and Dreamworks shit.

LEBENSERHALTENDE MAẞNAHMEN

life-important at-doings

>>219501433
huh!

verbs are gay

How can I improve my accent? I was thinking about General American. I went to a bilingual school, and I have no problem talking about complex topics in English (even under the influence of various substances). I have a rich vocabulary, and I can express myself pretty well. But I still sound like a foreigner. How would I go about improving my accent and learning General American, for example?

>>219503964
Why would you ever want to sound like a native in your tl
Then if you don't get something cultural then people will think you're a retard

>>219504616
I'm on Slovakian anon side. The accent, especially in autistic societies like the Anglo ones, is a stigma. Everyone smiles and is nice, but you're less likely to be invited to a party or something like that. The English are more classist in this regard, Americans more focus on brands, but both things occur in both nations.
>>219503964
Same. Only I would like to add a little, not too much, Southern accent for extra spice

>>219505232
>but you're less likely to be invited to a party or something like that.
Your perception of the anglopshere is from 90s movies
If the Anglos are so autistic and perfidious then they will only ascribe a perfidious motive for you trying to fake being native

>>219503964
i think >>219504616 is right and you shouldn't be ashamed of your accent, but i'm also biased because i sort of dislike native english accents across the board (except for some scottish, irish, and australian ones, because there's weird beauty in them), but i spent a great deal of time and effort on achieving a near native accent (general american, previously, received pronunciation because of european schooling).
if you still want to pull through with this, you should ask for advice on specific traits of your accent.
can you identify major anomalies in your accent? for example, you're slavic, and slavic people often tend to struggle with vowels, where some vowels in slavic languages (even those that are different on this matter, namingly czech and slovak) just cannot be long, but in other european languages they can and often are. or the american r-sound for example, or the dental fricatives, etc.
if you want to improve, you need to know what to improve, and you probably know what it is.

>>219504616
i think i would like to reach a level that is pretty close. i think like luca lamparillo's english. where it is like nah you can he isn't native but it is pretty darn close.

>>219505530
I agree
I simultaneously look down on foreigners who have strong accents and foreigners who try to fake a British accent (which always comes across wrong)
The only kinda I can tolerate are foreigners with an American accent or people who were born and grew up here so they have an actual British accent not a fake one (we can always tell)

>>219505969
this is an interesting paradigm btw. personally, i have no problem with accented german, or near-perfect standard german. but for some reason it rubs me the wrong way when people (even mostly unintentionally) half assedly try to speak a dialect. something just feels really off about it, it's some kind of uncanny valley where they obviously have an interest in the dialect and have done significant research on it in order to replicate it, but some prosody, attitude, and cultural congruence is lost, however minor it may be, but it definitely sticks out and trips you up, and eventually pisses you off.
i make an active effort to think positively about it, but somehow it still sometimes gets annoying to listen to. it's the same with overusing slang to feign cultural understanding while, unbeknownst to them, using slang wrong or at least in the wrong setting, where a native would definitely refrain from it. "uncanny" is the only word that comes to mind.
that being said though, i know a guy from NL who has, god knows why, mastered scottish english to the point where the islanders can't tell anymore. no clue about the how and why, but i think this is the only foreigner's niche dialect autism that won't annoy people.
american english on the other hand seems to have become the standard in acquiring english as a foreign language, and literally nobody will bat an eye if you're noticibly below even close to good. curious!

>>219506214
Because we want to get in on the
>pale jew orders food from a restaurant in obscure uncontacted chinese tribe dialect, shocks and obliterates locals' expectations like a bulldozed palestinian house
grift.

>mastered scottish english to the point where the islanders can't tell anymore. no clue about the how and why
If you marry into the language then it's frankly pretty simple

>>219506458
>pale jew orders food from a restaurant in obscure uncontacted chinese tribe dialect
hate that guy like you wouldn't believe
>If you marry into the language then it's frankly pretty simple
for sure. he didn't though. he's a lonely internet autist. no family. just personaly brain damage.

>>219506552
Just a hobby linguist then that likes Scotland,
I don't think he will have any trouble with Scottish customs if he's such a weeaboo about it. This is the kind of person who knows what side of the plate you put the fork when you set the table for a Burns Supper, or something.

>>219506214
Some people overuse swear words in English because they think it makes them sound native and fluent but they always use it wrong lol
I know what you mean

>>219506458
This thread HATES xiaoma and all grifters

>>219505530
More like from my experience with Anglos. Americans are more obsessed with brands, shoes, phones, gadgets like those crazy water bottles, or whatever is trendy right now. The English are more classist in the classical sense and they pay attention to accents, or even body language, or the origins of their parents, but it's rather a different distribution of emphasis on the same things in both cases

>>219507308
i.e. brits are, against all odds, still european lol

>>219507308
American brand-worship is slowly infecting us though. Especially in young women

>>219506796
which ones are the grifters?

>>219507839
nearly all of them, but in essence what's meant is the sensationalist retards cloutchasing by posting cherrypicked interactions where they mumble a couple lines in a foreign language without having learned it rather than merely having memorized a phrase book, so as to farm reactions and garner attention on youtube by baiting normies
this describes 90% of language learning youtube because the minions of evil don't even shy away from innocent intellectual pursuits when it come to making money. sad!

>>219507951
or, in short: any person who charges money for information pertaining to language learning. there is 0 secret or hidden knowledge in it, so a telltale sign is selling a method or a product. there might be use in individual products made by those people, but even with those the price isn't fair at all and it's most likely a money making scheme.

Can Duolingo sue me if I remake their app into a better version that doesn't suck so much
Shouldn't be hard desu

>>219507308
>More like from my experience with Anglos
If you have experiences with us from which you can remember 'being invited to parties' then you are probably 40 years old

>>219508467
Only if you use the same cartoon characters. I doubt the exercises are patented.

>>219494645
Personally I'd stick to just the input side. I do not really like the idea of a production deck, because I think it trains you to think in your native language then translate. But in a conversation you do not have time to think "okay I want to say 'boat' now what is the word for 'boat' in my target language".

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>>219508467
Someone else already did that but it flopped

>>219508950
actually retarded btw

Does anyone here like making languages? I've been trying to gather some people to do so.

>>219505969
lol

a lot of language learning courses teach british pronunciation by default. that's just how they learnt to speak English. A lot of these people will have learnt from British instructors and not Americans.

it's the same for Spanish. Language learning schools in Europe are going to teach Castillian pronunciation instead of Americas

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>>219510350
I know you are anon but idk what that has to do with the conversation

>>219508781
Closer to 30. I haven't had much contact with Americans, but from what they said, that's how it is, and I have a Polish-American friend (naturalized at a young age) who said she was somewhat excluded because of her accent (which she got rid of) and her background.
But I think accent is super important in the Anglosphere and automatically pigeonholes* you. Sometimes I see American right-wingers calling right-wingers from other countries leftists because they equate some trivial thing with a whole set of views (and vice versa).
*did I use this correctly?

>>219510657
afaik the only places that still teach British accent as the main one are former colonies like India and Hong Kong
even Spain and France teach American

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thoughts?!

>>219512670
TL subs are easier in Chinese because it helps you figure out what character it is

my wife chino... I WANT TO FUCK CHINO
please chino is so cute my wife chino is so cute chino chan sex chino sex with chino i'd like some more kafuu chino sex with chino kafuu chino my wife cute is so chino wife

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I'm an amerifat who moved to Buenos Aires 3 years ago, but I've begun to realize that there's no ass in this country, and I'm an ass man, and Brazilian women have a monopoly on ass, so I've started bridging from my intermediate Spanish to Portuguese so I can visit Rio or Sao Paolo occasionally to get my fix of bunda, and if it's good enough I might say fuck these no-ass having argie bitches stay in Brapzil permanently.

>>219512670
>>219512698
https://www.languagereactor.com/
>possible the first useful use of AI

>>219512670
He's not completely wrong. TL subs are good when they're accurate and you're at a level where you need them to do lookups and you need time to understand. However, they are just a crutch and your goal should be to get better at listening so you don't have to rely on them. You start off by pausing after every subtitle line and needing time to understand, then you get to a point where you can watch in real-time without pausing, and at that point you should be trying to focus on listening and using the subs as a hint to fill in the gaps through a quick glance/scan instead of being in full "reading mode". I feel like I do this automatically, naturally trying to get "faster" at understanding and it's just something you figure out with enough experience so TL subs don't necessarily hold you back if you're aware of it.

He says he's watching dubbed content and the subs never match on that so I can see how it can be distracting. NL subs could potentially be better in that case because you're not activating "reading mode", you're just occasionally glancing at the overall meaning. As with all things in language learning, it's best to try things yourself and see if they work for you or not.

>>219496784
I bet you can find a way to filter all audio out of your speakers to sound like radioshit

>>219505877
vocab and grammar is everything, way more than accent
>deep vocab, sharp grammar, but also uses informal constructions and slang where appropriate. accent is very noticeable but doesn't interfere with comprehension at all
High IQ sexy worldly international man of culture
>always forgetting words or using them wrong, talks like a robot trained on reciting poorly remembered lines from language textbooks. flawless pronunciation, could be native
Likely actual retard, extremely "ESL"

>>219512670
My #1 thought is that I want to believe. I posted a thread or two back about permanent brain damage from mismatched subs and audio. My fear is that if I run english subs, I will just tune out the audio. Like watching subbed anime with japanese audio. It's just japbabble audio which conveys emotional tone and nothing else while you read the subs. You will never ever learn japanese doing that, it won't even help, you can watch 10k hours and still pick up only "desu" and "keikaku" by the end. But then again just jumping into that with japanese subs which are incomprehensible moon runes to read, you'd probably be even more permanently lost. Does anime disprove input theory?

>>219508467
>Can Duolingo sue me if I remake their app into a better version that doesn't suck so much
If you don't infringe upon any patents they own, then probs not.
>>219509026
>it flopped
Because it was somehow even gayer

Should I prioritize comprehensible or compelling content? The dominant theory among people seems to be just "go from learner materials/graded readers to children's books to YA books and eventually you can read some easier novels," and so on and so forth, but whenever K look at people who learned languages a long time ago, they had no problem immediately jumping to classics. It was common for people learning Spanish to start with Don Quixote de la Mancha or for people learning Italian to start with the Divine Comedy, plus as I speak English already, I feel like I already have a good idea of syntax, composition, etc. that a child native learning wouldn't have.

>>219514144
>>219509026
>>219508789
I was thinking about brining back their tree layout that everybody seemed to love and miss it

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>>219513866
>vocab and grammar is everything, way more than accent
This is the truthnuke when it comes to English. Pronunciation is important in every language besides English because the natives of other languages aren't accustomed to weird accents like native English-speakers are, so when you speak to them they won't understand you and/or will curl their nose at you like they're smelling shit. Native English-speakers on the other hand grow up hearing all kinds of fucked up accents because most ESLs don't learn to speak English with a proper accent because from a young age they're bullied if they pronounce English too perfectly because they're being "tryhard," and therefore grow up with dogshit accents. And then they can never correct their accent because improper pronunciation is too ingrained in their brain at that point, and because English pronunciation is far too subtle and complex to master if you haven't perfected it by the age of 10. The vowels in dog/duck/dock/dug, or shit like choose/juice/jews/shoes is beyond your grasp at that point.

And like the guy I'm replying to said, having nearly perfect pronunciation with bad grammar just sounds retarded in English. I've seen youtube channels run by ESLs that teach English pronunciation and promise to help you perfect yours, but they themselves sound like fucking weirdos because they're stuck in this uncanny valley where they get the pronunciation 85% correct, but there's these weird anomalies and hiccups in their accent that make it sound strange.

tl;dr just focus on grammar and vocab. You'll be understood by all native English-speakers and you'll avoid sounding like a tard

>>219514334
Try both and see which one gets you farther, best by test.

>>219511614
>I have a Polish-American friend (naturalized at a young age) who said she was somewhat excluded because of her accent (which she got rid of) and her background.
Female neurosis; hysteria
>But I think accent is super important in the Anglosphere and automatically pigeonholes* you.
You're already pigeonholed into the NWO caste system by your visible immutable characteristics. At 30 you'll remember a time when it wasn't like this, but presently it's all most zoomers have in living memory. So maybe it was different and Maryna felt a little self-conscious about her accent because of Hollywood but, to put things in perspective, I just returned from the gym where an Urdu speaking couple was pushing a stroller the wrong way in the indoor running lane.

>>219505877
https://files.catbox.moe/gnas28.webm

>>219513241
>>219514706
>just try it bro
Unfortunately, it is a multiple month commitment to even discern a difference in results and even then it's not really possible to compare them directly by any reasonable metric since you'll be at different stages of learning during each attempt. You can tell what you like better, or what is easier, but not what is more effective. Rather not my waste my time, but with language there are two facts
>the most important thing is showing up and doing anything at all
>literally no one knows what the best method is despite people having learned languages since mankind was cursed by God after the grand blasphemy of the tower of babel

>>219514706
Actually though, is there much of a difference between easy content and hard content other than the fact that you'll have to look up a lot of words? Why do it gradually?

>>219514334
>Learning Spanish with Don Quixote and Italian with Divine Comedy
I know that Thomas Jefferson learned Spanish with Don Quixote. But that was back when people were actually intelligent and not numbed by the internet, media, and all the toxic chemicals they put in us. As a general rule, you should never compare yourself to an educated western man from the mid 1700s - 1914. They were truly a different breed.

That being said, try to find something that is both comprehensible and compelling, but compelling probably matters more because it motivates you to spend more time learning.

>>219498327
They do that shit with anime too in every fucking Russian anime site, it's sooooo weird

>>219514486
>>219513866
you're definitely right. when an ESL has almost perfect pronunciation it's jarring and uncanny valley. they can never really get it perfect because their last hurdle is impossible. at that point I'd rather they had a heavy accent

>>219514086
Well yeah you won't learn anything if the input isn't the least bit comprehensible, big part of Krashen's theory is that the input should be slightly harder than your current level.
>>219514334
>whenever I look at people who learned languages a long time ago, they had no problem immediately jumping to classics.
I think most of those people took lessons in whatever language they were learning or had experience with another language in an academic setting (like latin or ancient greek). Classics, hell even "normal" books written by natives, will have tons of low-frequency vocab and i don't think you will be able to tell the rough meaning of those words without having a solid base vocabulary. Ideally you want to reach an upper intermediate level as fast as possible, since after that you can read/watch stuff extensively, and materials meant for learners will always be more efficient in that regard than diving into the deep end. If you really want to skip the beginner stuff you can use anki to brute force your way through whatever classic you want but keep in mind that you will probably do look ups every other sentence throughout it and spending hours making and reviewing anki cards. Overall I think it's better to work your way up to an intermediate level, which you can reach quite fast, and only then start to focus on what's compelling to you.

>>219514975
Lol yeah the first place I looked when I wanted to start watching media I went to some site with russian anime dubs and they were all horrendous. Not only are they just dubbed over but they usually dont care to match the dub dialogue with the original audio so sometimes you'd get a 3 word line in russian for a 10 word sentence in japanese. Thankfully spongebob has a professional dub that I can understand so atleast I have my share of input for now

>>219514969
More unknowns = higher cognitive load, more effort required, more frustration. Intuiting how the language works gets harder as you have to deal with less common vocabulary, longer sentences, more "creative" and ambiguous use of language. It's simply easier to grasp a new sentence when it only introduces a single unknown puzzle piece that just clicks into place, compared to several.

Imagine you have to figure how English works and I give you a sentence like "The man walks down the street" vs "An adult male human proceeds ambulatorily along the linear expanse customarily designated for pedestrian and vehicular transit within an urbanized environment."

>>219514334
>Should I prioritize comprehensible or compelling content?
Shoot for "tolerable comprehensible". I tried compelling early on and the juice ain't worth the squeeze (for me it was sci-fi novels). The quantity of flowery descriptors and literary sentence structure made it a very inefficient way to improve.

>>219515147
For this reason unfortunately I do not think it is best to start with pure input. You can do it for audio just to get vibes and pronunciation but you won't learn anything... unless it's literal baby tier peppa pig shows, which are going to be pretty intolerable for most. Just do some vocab grinding with your preferred app until you get a basic handle on the fundamentals, then you can start finding some "tolerable comprehensible" like the Easy Whatever youtube channels.

comprehensive input is bullshit. every day you spend on it is a day that's wasted. I fell for the bullshit myself a few years ago and didn't a year of nothing but CI. I could not speak the language at an A1 level by the end of it. I don't want anyone to make the same mistake as me.

>>219515204
What about comprehension? Were you only able to watch A1 content?

>>219515204
>didn't a year of nothing
i am assuming english was your tl. correct?

should i learn hindi?

>>219515960
DO NOT REDEEM

>>219457778
>started a language with duolingo the other day
>make it to "family vocabulary" and whatever
>EVERY time it's a male avatar and voice saying "my husband", none of the women voices say "my husband" because they all have wives
What the FUCK is this shit?
Yes I reported this bullshit.

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>>219457778
>>219469012

>>219516310
reported it for what? gayness?

>>219515960
Indians don't even speak Hindi fwiw they speak a weird fusion of Hindi and English

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>HSK6 only has 1800 characters
>HSK9 has 3000

Even HSK9 only gets you halfway to an educated native speaker's knowledge of Hanzi.

>>219516759
You very quickly get diminishing returns going above 2000 due to Zipf's law. The most common 3000 cover like 97% of all words. At that point you don't need to actively study new characters like HSK you can just rely on input to learn them

>>219519495
>>219519495
so what in any language study 3000 words + slang? and you're set for anki vocab?

>>219508950
unless you're using images for Anki vocab or definitions are in the TL language.. you're using a learning language on one side of the Anki card...

The gap between passing the official Finnish language exam (B2 level) and actually being able to communicate (or even consume non-adapted content, really) is so huge that it's making me even more depressed than I normally am... I'll never go beyond the level of listening to easy Finnish news at this rate...

>>219512742
>there's no ass in this country
What about Colombia?
>>219514715
An accent carries certain baggage. If someone speaks like they're from the ghetto, they have less chance of getting a job. If someone speaks with a Slavic accent, they are associated with drunken aggression and construction work. French and Italian accents are often mocked, but women like them. The British accent is associated with being high-class (in the US, and with being a drunk tourist in Europe).
>>219514715
Actually, women are more socially aware about nuances like such. The difference is that in other languages, especially in Europe, you may be ridiculed for your accent, but without any hard feelings, while in the English-speaking world, no one will say anything to you, no one will make fun of your accent, and they will be patient and polite, but they will not befriend you, and there will remain a certain distance. For the British, it's practically a caste mark on the tongue that everyone has.

I already speak Dutch, French, English and German.
What language should i learn now?

Dutch: Mother tongue
English: 9.5/10
French: 8.5/10
German: 7/10

>>219520388
I am very envious of the environment in which Belgians grow up as pologlots from birth.

>>219520388
Chinese or Japanese for distant lands and unique content
Portuguese or Spanish for distant lands and Romance mastery

>>219520521
It wasn't really given from birth.
I just worked from age 19-25 in Brussels which is predominantly french speaking.
English i learned from age 8 or smth just playing my nintendo and watching movies.
German I learned in school for 4 years.

>>219520554
>Chinese or Japanese
Oof, i have no experience learning a totally new alphabet, let alone a whole new grammar system.

Was thinking about Spanish tho, I feel like I should learn it quite easily

>>219520591
spanish is giga comfy

>>219520202
characters =/= words

>>219520664
Vale, gracias. Empezaré.

>>219520591
I can confirm >>219520664
Spanish is fun to speak (and overall most of the romance languages are, but every one on its specific way). Kanji / Hanzi is definitely a marathon, the same with very foreign vocabulary. I myself have recently started learning Spanish, and I encourage you to do so, but you could limit your exposure to American media because it is kind of discouraging.

>>219520862
Is it difficult or not at all to learn new languages as a native Polish speaker?(which I assume you are).
For me, Polish feels like a very weird and foreign language that is kinda only spoken there, like Finnish or Hungarian

got duolingo family plan
4 spots left
https://invite.duolingo.com/family-plan/2-M3V1-U3RW-S7GB-C81B

>>219520953
It depends on which one. Generally speaking, I think that grammatically it's easier to start with Romance languages, but in the long run Germanic languages are easier because of their grammatical operators (you know, did, will, could etc). We also have more cases than German, so it's a matter of time spent rather than understanding the whole concept, which English native speakers struggle with a bit more, I think. When it comes to pronunciation, the vowels in Germanic languages are difficult. We don't have that many of them (but also not so little like Italians or the Spanish), but the pronunciation of Portuguese sounds, or even some French sounds, comes more easily to us (we have nasal sounds for example or Ż sounds like J in French). Italian is the easiest probably, then Spanish but only because of this weird b/v sound. It's funny with Italian, because we have a dialect in north-eastern Poland that is very similar to the Italian melody of the language, but in Polish it is depicted as a rednecky hillbilly speak, and in Italian as very elegant
Personally, I've always been bad at learning foreign languages, so I'm not an expert and it gets me down a bit, and I think that's why I'm so stubborn to finally master another language.
I've also heard that we have a slight advantage in Chinese because of our sz, si, ż, dz, dż sounds (hence the term psheki on us in the Russian world).
Generally speaking, Polish is only useful in Poland, and perhaps a little bit in one region of Lithuania. It is also fairly easy to communicate with Czechs and Slovaks, but there are plenty of false friends, which is a source of popular jokes and memes. Czech and Slovak are for us a bit like Dutch in memes for English speakers and vice versa

>>219516727
Yes.
Gayness created unnatural sentences where men were married to men and it is confusing when you're learning a language because why the fuck would you immediately think being queer is the norm?

>>219520521
Same, I have a Belgian at work who speaks several European languages at a native or near native level. Went to an international school in Brussels. While for me even English is still far from perfect, let alone Japanese or Finnish. I wish I was bilingual. I mean, by the standards of my country of birth I kind of almost am, as nobody speaks English well, and minority languages are gradually dying out, but still.

>>219521070
duolingo is shite

>>219521776
Facts don’t know how they’ve scammed the world into believing they can learn a language from their app

>>219514348
I have seen other apps use the tree layout, so I assume it would be fine.
Again though, check their patents and then do whatever. Only if you breach one of their patents or trademarks will they really have grounds to sue you :)
This also assumes you actually are successful instead of just another copycat that does nothing in the grand scheme of things.

>>219516759
>Even HSK9 only gets you halfway to an educated native speaker's knowledge of Hanzi.
You are fundamentally a foreigner. An educated native has way more time with the language than you ever will. Lock in for more years and go past the exam syllabi. You still probably won't get beyond their level though, but could get close to it with enough dedication.

>>219522229
Its because it gives the illusion of learning, and you might learn some really simple things, but its flawed and shit and I don't know how anyone uses it for more than a week before realising their time would be better spent elsewhere.

>>219522694
>You are fundamentally a foreigner
It really sucks that wherever you go, you'll still be a foreigner that struggles with the language. Unless your parents brought you with themselves under the age of 10.

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>Mi olor corporal se está volviendo BASTANTE REPULSIVO
what a bombshell, but it just keeps being funny to me that all the latinate words in english (that very often have a more severe connotation compared to the literal meaning in romance languages) get thrown around so casually. my favorite's gotta be "molestar" -- which just means "to annoy," but i can't resist at least chuckling when i hear it used

what's a word like that in YOUR tl?

Day 254 in anki to learn Spanish.
What can I do with it with it later except watch movies and maybe visit a Spanish speaking country that doesn't turn me into a pinata or taco.

>>219524133
Duolingo sorry.

>>219520352
> If someone speaks like they're from the ghetto, they have less chance of getting a job.
Your chances of getting a job have to do with whether or not you know or are connected to the employer personally
>French and Italian accents are often mocked, but women like them.
You know literally nothing about women that isn't from TV shows
e.g.
>Actually, women are more socially aware about nuances like such.
>If I make shit up to be hysterical about then it's actually my e.q. o algo

should i learn chinese or spanish?
i heard that spanish is relative easy if you're fluent in english (which i am)
chinese is chinese, i see tons of people learning it now, supposedly easy to learn too

>>219525773
Spanish. You start with me and the Belgian anon, it will be a new trend

>>219525817
isn't spanish super popular already? doesn't seem to be a new trend

>>219525773
If you're actually a viet nam nhan then you should learn trung quoc thioa as they are your historical masters and superiors
If you are a foreign expat then go learn Spanish or whatever

>>219525881
i'm vietnamese but non-alphabetic scripts are intimidating

>>219525851
Recently, the trend was reversed, people complained that it was ugly and that it would be better to choose another, alternative Romance language
>>219524966
Having the same or a widely respected accent makes it easier to connect with someone and present yourself well. I think you either underestimate or don't realize how much of an impact an accent has. Almost as much as clothing or skin color.

>>219525981
>Having the same or a widely respected accent makes it easier to connect with someone and present yourself well.
Language, sure. Keep being a contrarian if you like.

>>219525773
you'd have an easier time than most learning a chinese language because your language's vocabulary has an enormous amounts of sinitic origin words and it's also a syllabic tonal language. Mandarin just makes more sense than spanish when your country literally borders china, well you guys despise them but everyone in asia hates china

Anyways what is it with spanish gaining soft power in americanised parts of the world (Europe, parts of Asia) through american media like it makes sense why a yank might want to learn spanish as they have like 40 million L1 spanish speakers in their country and also 20 hispanophone countries south of it, but for some reason normies here are being reprogrammed by their american overlords into wanting to learn spanish since that's what every braindead normie american talks about wanting to do (and failing because most of them don't try at all past using duolingo or subpar high school classes)
american soft power is so insane that latinx macaques are gaining second-hand soft power elsewhere through americans

>>219520591
> i have no experience learning a totally new alphabet, let alone a whole new grammar system
That's where all the fun is though.

>>219526434
I've never really understood how this notion of "beautiful spanish" came to the anglosphere. I am, like most europeans, very exposed to american media and I can't say i've seen spanish mentioned in a positive light more than say french or italian, and yet normies seemingly have this idea that specifically spanish is beautiful, elegant, cultured etc.

>>219526434
People want to learn Spanish because it is quite easy to pronounce and a lot of people speak it.
>>219527800
>I can't say i've seen spanish mentioned in a positive light
The American media even discourages learning Spanish, portraying it as the language of poor immigrants and criminals. It has slightly better soft power in Europe imo

>>219526434
quas alias linguas nam cives vestros mavis discere? scio, linguam hispanicam, cum viri turpes indocti loquuntur, metum timoremque faciunt in animos populorum, vero quia quando homo doctus lingua hispanica loquitur, ille vocem iucundam habet, igitur discere adhuc volunt. cur estonici alias linguas balticas non discunt?

>>219527800
why would it not be though? i don't think about languages in any adjectives or whatever (i.e. french is romantic, artistic, elegant, sophisticated, or other reddit shit) but nothing about spanish is unelegant or not beautiful either.
i spent some time in spain and not only is it ridiculously pretty, it's a giga comfy country and the language sounds nice. i don't see the problem. am i supposed to hate this now because retarded yank chuds seethe about mexicans or what? don't care, won't care, never cared

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>>219528157
>mfw I'm understanding more Latin now
There's a lot to memorise

>>219510642
Yes, but people here only care about normie-bred languages.

>>219528810
you can do it brah just keep being studiosus

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>>219529663
I need to disco

>>219520591
Japanese and Chinese have relatively simple grammars. They just have a shitton of vocab to compensate for that. Learning the symbols is annoying at first but you stop overthinking about it after the first few hundred. Flashcards and reading get you accustomed eventually and it gets natural. Writing is a major pain in the ass, but you really don't have to write by hand in this day and age (unless writing makes it easier for you to study).

>>219532667
Writing is actually cool. I liked doing it
>>219532179
kek

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Damn I'm going through my old screenshots. I need to get back to learning russian. I have fallen off for a while.
I'm not achieving my once dream of being fluent in 8 languages.

i might get used to this getting paid while studying thing

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Does anyone know any site with anime in Spanish from Spain? German one is welcome too

>>219520388
lithuanian:DDD
>t. unbiased source
>>219526434
estų ne "lingua baltica" (prie šios sąvokos priskiriamos tik indoeuropiečių kalbos, t.y. lietuvių, latvių, žemaičių, latgalių, dar kelios išmirusios), o "lingua balticae" arba gal "lingua in balticā/lingua in regione balticae

>>219535181
the last part was meant for >>219528157 fuck

>>219535068
https://latanime.org/animes?categoria=castellano
https://aniworld.to/genre/ger
https://fmhy.net/non-english

>>219536020
thx

>>219533877
>dream of being fluent in 8 languages.
I used to dream big too. Now I dream of being fluent in French and German, and being done forever with this bullshit.

the generic american dialect of english has been evolving over the past 20 years. It's talking like a fag or woman, and the dialect is getting gayer by the day. imagine these fag judging somebody else's accent

Should I watch vtubers in my TL?

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I made a browser extension for having multiple subtitles generated without having to pay the languagereactor jew $20 a month

Any anons want to help another anon with his French [spoiler]kissing[/spoiler]?

Fucking twitch started freezing their ad counter if I mute and switch tabs

>>219539379
Open it in another window but don't minimize it, just drag your new window over it

>>219539400
I tried just lowering the volume to like 3% and watching someone else on the other tab and the new ad started playing at full volume despite it still being at 3% lmao

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i know some of these characters

Where should you be 5 weeks into learning a TL?

>>219539636
Window of the same browser or a different browser? But it worked right?

>>219540874
That's Professor Oak

>>219543293
In the library, learning

>>219543293
Third date with your TL soulmate

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This Japanese cam girl uses an automated translator to attract coomers

>>219538772
Most LR features are free though. Only thing behind a paywall is saving words and that's 5 bucks/month.

>>219546516
well by the looks of it it worked on you, so good for her i guess

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AI is amazing!!!
*mein Auto, not meine

>>219548124
both the answer and the way it talks is incredibly retarded and nonsensical. is this really the greatest innovation of the century?

Just slapped lute onto my home server
Comfy on PC pretty shit on phone
Same experience with lingQ?

>>219543954
Yeah I know what you mean and it should work.
I just tried something more simple but these slimy bastards made sure it wouldn't work.

>>219546516
I've seen many Japanese vtubers use an auto translator like that

>>219548775
LingQ has a dedicated mobile app, as expected from a paid service. You can try it out, they give you like 10 free lookups I think.

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[citation needed]

>>219457778
>read le petit prince on lute
>close to tears when reaching the end
I'll have trouble re-reading this thing... Other than that it's quite a fun book.

>>219535181
recte dicis, amice lithuanice! mendum meum totum est. oblitus sum.

>>219520388
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walloon_language

>>219548775
i tried it on mobile. i worked well but it wasn't as nice because of the size.

>>219548444
in what way?

Are there really no good language learning apps on the market? Obviously no app can make you fluent but it is possible to provide some good fundamentals. Like an interactive textbook.

>>219554485
lingq, language reactor, glossika, clozemaster, and linguno are oaky. linguno is the only free one

>>219554485
I use one called "Anki"

Kinda stuck in trying for a TL L3. My L2 is German and I'm C1 at the point where targeted Input is pretty important and just flood myself with input.

I'm trying to decide between which language to learn and none of them come close to the amount of enjoyment I get when hearing, reading, or speaking Kraut. I keep ping ponging between French, Spanish, Italian, Dutch, the three North Germanic languages and none of them scratch that itch that German satisfies.

Should I just continue ping ponging between the ones I listed and waste time, find one and commit or even just focus more on Kraut?

I find myself being interested in Iclandic because it's the closest to Old Norse and it has thorn, but I am unsure about it because of the lack of media and such around it.

>>219555219
Make a compromise and learn 3 language. German and two others. If you're learning multiple closely related language it makes it more difficult because you'll mix them up.

Say for example, continuing German, then Spanish and Dutch. Spanish and Dutch are the easiest pivots for learning romance and germanic languages in the future. They'll give you a foundation that'llI help with learning more languages.

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>>219555219
Learn Swedish with me.

>>219463925
You will literally never in your life have to say that word and I didn't even consider what 400th might sound like in spanish
The ones you will use are 1-30 maybe, then hundredth, thousandth and millionth
It's only useful to learn 40-90 which you may hear at one point in life but they're not all that common

About the 10s, the only exceptions to eg. saying 20-1, 30-1 are 11 and 12 (undécimo and duodécimo) though you'll sometimes hear décimo primer or décimo segundo even though they're officially incorrect

>>219555219
How about a slavic language? I'm studying russian right now and took like 6 years of german in school, I'd say they're about equally satisfying altogether, atleast for me (and I imagine something like polish would be similar). German has the nicest phonetics imo though, it sounds so crisp and clear especially compared to a lot of other euro languages

another day goes by and there's still loads of people falling for the comprehensive input meme and flushing millions of man hours down the toilet doing something nonproductive

>>219558225
So what should I do then

>>219558087
That is an idea I have been rolling around in my head. I took Russian in Highschool for 2 years so I know Cyrillic (It's easy to learn though) but I only retained some of the basic stuff and greetings. The vowel reductions have me a bit put off and the palatalization of consonants are intimidating.

That's disregarding the case system but that always comes with practice. I'm kind of interested in Polish and I learned how to read it phonetically but never pursued it any further.

However your post and suggestion has given me things to consider, thank you.

>>219558225
TL and what method do you use?

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Does your TL give you free books?

>>219558225
>learn words from reading
>get the pronunciation wrong

>learn grammar
>middleman obstacle to fluent understanding

>practise speaking early on
>impossible without absorbing the input first

audio CI is the only foolproof way

>>219558928
I don't read

>>219558928
My friend Anna lets me download them from her archive.

>>219559112
>having a friend that is a girl
Does she let you tap?

>>219558479
Vowel reductions are a pain in the ass when listening, especially since the stress can change depending on case/plurality for some words. Palatalization is fine imo, as is the case system there's nothing too complicated about that, also the gender of a word is totally predictable which is quite nice.
>>219558928
A russian friend offered to send me some really nice books but I had to turn him down since they were/are way over my current level

>>219558928
I asked at the library in my city what Latin books they had, they didn't have the Vulgate but had textbooks, and apparently have a selection of old books going back to the 16th century that they let you read, not sure if you can borrow them though.

>>219559241
Yeah, but I have to wait in line for my turn.

>>219559306
Is the line a cuck couch?

>>219559319
It's a meme, you dip.
https://annas-archive.li

>>219558364
Input, output, and immersion
40% input, 40% output and 20% immersion

>>219559734
What's the difference between input and immersion? Isn't immersion just maximizing your input?

>>219559849
Immersion is input and output. Anything is ultimately either input or output. Having a conversation in your TL is an example of immersion. Immersion could be a number of things but for it you want to minimise the use of your learning language and only use your TL

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>>219559450
Meme website...

>>219559946
genuinely unable to manage getting downloads to work

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>poleaf still living off the high of receiving textbooks 14 years from now