Spanish is hard

What was the rule again for English final plosive devoicing? Just heard someone say 'understant' again, when they make us believe it's a German accent thing

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Great album.

>>219561686
compared to...?

>>219561714
i think it is supposed to be spelled explosive bro

>>219561714
were they african american? the only major variety of english that devoices final consonants, esp. /d/, is AAVE, or maybe you're referring to voiced final consonants being somewhat devoiced when at the end of a phrase or preceding a voiceless consonant? (as in bad cat [bæd̥ kʰæt])

if I lowered my Anki deck rentention to 70% would it not even matter because I'd get more missed cards and still end up doing a lot of cards anyway? I need to do something about my 400 a day cards. Anki was suppposed to be a supplement for me not a long grind

>>219557930
hey thanks man
them being common or uncommon isn't really that important for me, i just want to know them

>>219562392
i don't even understand what dreck retention means. what does that interact with?

>>219562348
>or maybe you're referring to voiced final consonants being somewhat devoiced when at the end of a phrase
That must be it then. Is there a reason for that?
I just went through YT transcripts and found two instances in this video https://youtu.be/prQ7Mw_YPEE?si=ZH2mLwgHxd18UoPr&t=2018 21:33 and 33:37

>>219561714
English is do whatever the fuck you want land

>>219562670
I don’t really hear it on the first one (Paul saying understand) but I definitely hear it on the second one (Trump saying understandt).
But she’s just stuttering a bit. I think she might even have a speech impediment. There is never a time where you would be better off saying understant/understandt.

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>>219561714
Trvke: minimal pairs like lag and lack are often homophones or only differ in their vowel

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>1007 Bunpro reviews

i was about to never use an app or website besides anki again because literally everything is a scam, but after reading it here a couple times i tried linguno and not only does it appear to be fully free, it's actually quite nice. let's hope they don't become jewish in the future.
essentially i was looking for something to let me do conjugation drills indefinitely whenever i feel like it, and apparently it does.

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>>219563015
ehehe

>>219561607
Modest Mouse rules but what does it have to do with /lang/?

wtf is this accent?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5SlmWR_vTc

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>tell myself for years I will learn spanish to have an actually useful language under my belt
>instantly mute any spanish speakers I hear in call of duty
I don't hate mexicans...I don't think? but man latinx spanish is just irritating to hear
could I ease into it by only listening to castillan?

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anyone have links explaing the past perfect and past imperfect for portuguese?

>>219562836
What website is this?

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>>219564349
http://www.sneed.com/

>>219563986
i've reached a point where i find ESL english easier and more pleasant to listen to than native accents. wtf is this shit? it's hard to imagine there are places in the world where this is what you hear daily
>>219564349
anki

>>219564230
compared to what spanish if the americas dialects are terrible? the castilian lisp?

Argentinians have the most aesthetic sounding dialect of Spanish to me

>>219565237
Maybe it's just American accents that you hate? Generic American women's voices are increasingly like nails on chalkboard, like a screeching banshee, and the men sound gayer by the day and talk like women. The only worse accents are Canadians. Everybody else sounds fine to me.

>>219564237
in spanish, imperfect is a continous action that happened repeatedly in the past, and the other is a past action that happened once like

Yesterday, I read a book
and
I used to read books every day

>>219563258
we come to learn the lingo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrBsNcHv-2Q
good thread

Bump

Hindi has some Arabic-y-ness to it

>>219563986
Zoomers make up their own accents now https://youtu.be/zpj9OS8D79U?si=fWUl3wiO98Xg9_NT

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>>219563986
Sounds like an American with a speech impediment. Don't be mean lol

>>219566289
Nothing is worse than scousers

>>219562392
>I need to do something about my 400 a day cards
How is that number even possible? I ran an FSRS simulation with 90% desired retention rate with 50 new cards a day and it wasn't even close to 400 reviews a day. How many cards do you add per day and how difficult are they?

>>219568749
What a bizarre accent, kinda sounds like nigerian accent

>>219568749
That nigga has a bit of a South African twang.
My accent is also fucked honestly, but I was raised in Auckland NZ and Singapore for most of my early to mid teenage years before coming back to this shit hole.

>>219563986
It's just a speech impediment where she can't pronounce "R" sounds properly. It's rare, but it's a thing
>>219568749
>>219569711
I thought my Norf accent was bad (it is) but it's nowhere near as bad as that mongrelized shit.

>>219569978
>early
Early childhood to mid teenage is what I meant to put lol

>>219566289
American accents in general my fave. In another life I'd have married an American woman and had Anglo-American children. Although, that Sydney Sweener interviewer with the weird teenage girl inflection was worse than Scouse.

>>219564230
i know how you feel m8, i was playing helldivers and joined a lobby with 3 mexicans. the amount of weys and pinches i heard in the first minutes made me leave. castillian and argentinian are leagues above mexican spanish

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>>219564877
Heaven forbid we ask questions where we haven’t found answers
>>219565237
Thank you germanon

>>219562392
70% retention for mature cards is horrible it means you have to drastically lower your daily cards immediately.

>>219561607
der einsame überfüllte Westen ist eines meiner absolut Lieblingsalben. Wohnungswagenmüll ist wohl mein Lieblingslied von dem Album aber es gibt reichlich andere großartige Lieder drauf (Cowboy dan, tu den Kakerlak, polare Gegensätze). Beim Hören stimmt das Lied mich sofort nostalgisch für meine Jugend, eine Zeit in der ich mir um kleine Sorgen große Sorgen machte und alles von immenser Tragweite zu sein schien.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kwLVhnTYlI

Just finished reading der Weg zurück (sequel to All quiet on the western front). Was pretty good so I decided to order the third book in the trilogy drei Kameraden. Honestly had no idea All Quiet even had sequels until very recently. While I wait for my mail from germany I finally started on my copy of Viktor Frankl's ein psychologe erlebt das konzentrationslager.

After that not sure, but want to keep the momentum going. I'd like to read 10 or more books this year in german. I only managed 5 last year, although one was a german translation of Dune which bogged me down a lot.

There is something about reading I feel like that is so much better than listening to podcasts or watching tv. The words and the content just seem to stick way more in my head.

Italian is alot mroe whimsical than spanish..probably should've taken up latin in HS

>>219572417
Yes. One of the most beautiful languages in the world. The only thing that annoys me is the Americanisms spoken in a sort of American way, but not entirely. The Spanish have a cooler approach where they Hispanize these words

>>219571949
do you just care about the world wars or is there really just nothing to read in german

>>219573734
I'm definitely on a WWI/II kick lately but generally I am not that interested in it. In terms of german history I've actually always found the cold war period most interesting.

imo there is plenty of non-world war stuff to read in german.

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>>219572417
>Italian is alot mroe whimsical than spanish
I prefer it because it sounds funny and you can hit this emote

>>219571566
>Wohnwagenmüll
Basiert. Für mich ist es Berufskraftfahrers Landkartensammlung.

>>219562815
those are never minimal pairs, your kraut ears just can't hear the difference. lack finishes up tighter than lag even in accents (or lazy speech) where they're near-homophones.

t. native english speaker. don't mind the flag.

>>219564237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfrpSIAuUjg

>>219566343
That's usually how they teach english speakers, but that only covers like 15% of the time it's used. Imperfect is usually used as a background activity that was happening while preterite showed up.

interesting French channel. she speaks relatively slowly and clearly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GR3XMrfC030

lebenserhaltende maßnahmen

>>219575130
maybe, but the final consonant is often too similar to tell the difference without the vowel quality/length

>>219562815
not in British English because final k is usually aspirated [laːkʰ] compared to [lag]

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Realistically, how many languages can you learn and maintain at a B2+ level? I hate when polyglots say they're fluent in 15 languages but then it turns out they're only good at 2 or 3 at most, and the rest is just awful. BTW i care more about being able to listen and read, fuck talking to foreigners, English makes that almost useless anyways

input bros i feel like breaking down and getting a book on spanish tenses

>>219579819
If you just look at comprehension and do something like romancemaxxing then 10 or more absolutely is.
Otherwise I say 5-6 is achievable for anyone.

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this and a blunt

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>>219580129
Just get it in Spanish.

>>219580129
inputniggers when they're told they sound retarded for the 127398275938475th time this week

>>219579819
Idk but I know Luxemburgers who are B2+ in 6 languages at a relatively young age. European languages are so similar, you can become fluent in most of them in one lifetime if your brain is able to keep them apart.

have you guys ever considered inputting life? i dropped out of primary school way back when and have been inputting videos of people using a calculator so as to acquire mathematics the natural way. still not quite sure what some of those symbols and concepts mean but i'm also only ~700 hours in.

>>219561714
If anything, the d at the end can drop, never heard a native turn it to a t. That's a dutch/german thing.

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>>219562670

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>>219580735
Seems in tune with my most exaggerated goals. Good thing i only care about super mainstream languages with great resources and not retarded shit like Polish or Basque, so it might be possible. Good rest of the day for you Germanons

>>219579819
if you grew up monolingual, probably 2 or 3
otherwise possibilities are endless
>>219580735
I knew an ethnically Chinese Kazakh guy who spoke
>Kazakh as his mother tongue
>Chinese from being taught in school and growing up in China
>Russian from working in Kazakhstan
>Uyghur from talking to Uyghurs (its very similar to Kazakh)
>English from university
he probably could have also learnt Spanish and Turkish without much effort but he was very busy because he was a professor of biochemistry.

One of my friends is Uyghur and she speaks Uyghur, Chinese, English, Kazakh, b2 Russian, probably like b2 Japanese b1 Korean

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>>219580854
I think its a little wack to even care about it. Let them niggas fail. Its literally not your problem lol. Seething about things other people do is very cucked

>>219581111
She slurs a lot of sounds, and some not in standard ways. Could be due to nervousness. The t thing isn't normal, it sounds weird.

How much progress should I have made after 5 weeks of learning my TL for 4 hours a day? I really struggle with production unless it's a sentence I've seen before a lot. I think my reading comprehension is good for the amount f time I've beeen studying and my listening is okay. I might be fucked at listening because I even struggle to understand my native tongue when spoken and I prefer subtitles even for native English

>>219581358
Should be B1 by then mate :)

>>219581241
Does learning English around the ripe old age of 11-12 count as not growing up monolingual? Otherwise fuuuuuuck fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

>>219581389
if you learnt a language to fluency before 15-16 you're probably ok
you should be able to learn 2-3 unrelated languages on top of that
more if they are other romance languages

>>219581271
>asking a German to stop caring about other people's lives
good luck

>>219581389
stop buying into retarded responses like that with literally nothing to support it but, on the contrary, a plethora of examples that prove the exact opposite. why don't you just try and see for yourself instead of believing in this random number some retard online pulled out of his ass? just do it kek what have you to lose

>>219581449
>asking a German to stop caring about other people's lives
IN GERMANY WE DONT DO THAT

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>>219581524
lmao and now what

>>219581449
It counts then. Haha. Life is so bright
>>219581450
Very true Germanon, i just wanted the validation of strangers on a mongolian basket weaving forum, for fun. I'll try it anyway, i'm already on it too for the past year (i'm no dabbler). It's a mission for a lifetime anyway

>>219581351
https://youtu.be/0H1UGv6TUm4?si=HZTIRrEzZDjP1WAY

>>219582157
I know what devoicing is. I'm saying we don't do that for d's in English at the end. We don't change d's to t's, rather we'll change t's to d's or turn the t to a glottal stop depending on location. If you want to keep artifacts of a german accent in your English, go for it.

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>>219575130
When speaking quickly and when used inside a sentence (e.g., "... a lack of..."), it's plausible that the final consonant in "lack" is not really distinct from that of "lag."

>>219582675
>I'm saying we don't do that for d's in English at the end
but you do anon, watch the video. i've noticed it not just with kai

>>219581271
>>219581524
>>219581470
There's nothing wrong with warning people about a bad practice that could cost them hundreds of hours of lost progress.

People saying input, input, input is every where and there are obviously a lot of people wasting their time doing it. If they knew better they'd do a different learning method. If they still continue to do nothing but input despite being warned then it's their own fault.

>>219582811
well, for this to be the case, the g of lag has to devoice before a vowel (vowels are voiced sounds), which it does not
final consonant devoicing, when it does happen in English, only happens when phrase-final or before an unvoiced consonant
"lag free" devoicing to [lak fɹiː] is possible but [lak əv] is not

>>219582811
They're saying it's phrase-final too.

>>219564237
i can try to get you some stuff from my teacher but i lost access to the links so i can't share them. But honestly reading and just asking yourself, "why the pretérito instead of the imperfeito" and vice versa will probably help you "get" it, and ask yourself how the phrase would sound different if you switched the tense of the verbs.

One thing that might help is you can often think of the imperfeito as setting the scene for a story, while the perfeito, in the context of a story told in the past, is more like the significant part that punctuates the story.

So sometimes there can be a weaving between the imperfeito and the perfeito, where the imperfeito sets the backdrop and the perfeito draws attention to a specific event that changes the course of action.

a thing you need to be careful with for the imperfeito is that it is very frequently used in PT-PT as a substitute for the conditional. So, make sure also that you aren't mixing up cases where the imperfeito is being used as the imperfeito itself, with the cases where it is being used as a conditional.

Another really stupid rule that might help you is to think that the imperfeito is really never used "in the present" or in relation to a present action, while the present and the perfeito are often used together. So the imperfeito, as far as I know, always has a past meaning that is related with the past. The perfeito however often has a past meaning that is related with the past.

I'm sure this made your confusion even worse. good luck

>>219582873
Nah, only use case I can concede is -ed in like walked, tapped end up sounding like walkt and tappt in practice. But we don't say understandt or do that with other d endings. Like bird and bert, bad and bat etc are all distinct endings.

>>219583223
but there are native english speakers itt who say the same?

>>219582896
In my personal experience I've found input with word lookup to be very useful and input without word lookup to not be very useful.
I have also not benefited from learner CI much despite trying many times.
I think CI may need to be very well made in order to be useful. A lot of it seems to be pretty low quality. There's also an issue that the languages that would most benefit from high-quality CI don't have it (east asian languages), while the languages with the best CI material (european languages) are easy enough that you don't really need it and might as well just jump into native material from the beginning.

Most of the learner CI is also structured in a way where each episode/lesson/whatever has a new topic with new vocabulary. This is the opposite philosophy of what the research says is effective - which is massive input in a very constrained repetitive context where there is limited distracting/random vocabulary so that you quickly internalize the important central structure of a language rather than trying to memorize a bunch of scattered disconnected information. Ironically you need a way bigger vocabulary base to follow typical learner content than you would to follow narrow content in one domain. For this reason I haven't found cartoons to be an efficient use of time either, since they contain all sort of random vocabulary and topics that have no use or interest to me as an adult. Better to just pick one specific area of genuine interest or relevance to you and engage in that, imo.

>>219581271
This >>219582896
Tried that shit chilled here, I was nervous that I couldn't speak or try to remember words or that I've already fucked up, but luckily this method pissed me off. Someone more patient or trusting will waste a lot of more time than me. Still, input is very important, but only input method is retarded

>>219581358
A lot.

>>219581358
depends on the language. if youre trying to learn arabic its going to take literally 6x longer than swedish or german for the same amount of progress

Input is king.

It's input all the way down.

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I'm starting to think that Hokkien is probably the most difficult language in the world overall to learn and especially for an English speaker. It has 7/8 tones with an extremely complex system of tone changes, a much more complex system of particles and negations and more flexible word order than Mandarin, way more phonemes than any other Sinitic language, and huge diglossia with colloquial/formal differences in character pronunciations although this is kind of irrelevant now though because formal Hokkien as a literary language is very much a dying/dead art and most speakers outside China are probably mostly illiterate in Hokkien and only can use it verbally.

>>219582896
>There's nothing wrong with warning people about a bad practice
Most people here are not really warning them, so much as just being dismissive and smug about it. Anyone doing that method won't take it as earnest advice, and will just ignore it anyway.
Hence there is no reason to even bother engaging them. Let retards be retards, and just do your own studying lol.

Input is never a waste of time. You need to be retarded to think that listening to someone speak your TL is not useful.

>>219563015
what's wrong with memrise?

>>219586113
It used to be better. Then they started being aggressively profit first and gay.
The community stuff is the only stuff worth using on it.
Shareholders are cancer

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Hi guise so I made this digital library where I upload grammar manuals
So far I'm around 170 different languages
t.me/larkstonguesinaspics

>>219586337
Good for u lil bro

inputting with cute asian girls and talking to cute asian girls are the only language learning methods of relevance to me. I'm only willing to consider other methods if they also involve cute asian girls

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>>219586451
Real

>>219586451
this but latinas

>>219584857
based meme lang enjoyer, /lang/ will flourish once again when the meme lang dubblers return

>>219586768
I want to get the HSK9 before dabbling in Hokkien.

>>219586451
I'm okay with cute girls of any kind. The biggest struggle when it comes to learning Latin is the lack of cute girls.

>>219564877
Please kill yourself.
>>219569120
Yorkshire accent. Why did you guys invent that mfer?

What is the main appeal of the Japanese language and culture beyond anime? I wonder if there are people who learn the language but don't watch anime or read manga or light novels
>>219587459
I find it cute

i think a lot of times you just see people tearing others down. like that fat retard evildea. he is great for telling you what doesn't work. a lot of people do that. x method doesn't work. of course the next question is what does. they never have a good answer. or you get my method is the best. ok great how many hours does your method take. oh i never measured it but just trust me bro it is more effective.

>>219579819
you answered your own question: it's 2 or 3

>>219587681
What has Evildea even achieved? Esperanto an extremely easy meme language and some Chinese? That's nothing. But people like to watch someone tearing others down and 'exposing' them.

>>219587681
>tearing others down
The MO for all of 4chan. It's a negative-focused message board.

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>>219584857
彼是毋是著無? 橫直閩南語佇二个聲調後一寡尾音出爾爾,毋才到底聲調的數是五个。 嘛是讀冊音無多惡。

>>219587624
Music, film, "ordinary" books, economic reasons, history (granted you'd have to learn separate languages like classical japanese and CC once you get really deep but that's true for every culture), etc. It's a language spoken by roughly 100m people so there's going to be plenty of reasons why one might decide to learn it

>>219587681
it's easier to critique something than to come up with something yourself, the problem with these language learning methods is that you need to figure out what works best for you since what's effective varies person by person. It's a lot like dieting/exercise/whatever

>>219566289
south african english sounds horrible

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new whiteness map just dropped

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is there a such thing as a non asian learning an east asian language that isn't because of racial fetishism? the only real exception would be japanese because of its huge amount of unique cultural media

>>219588973
retvrn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPaZb-MzzpQ

>>219587681
The bulk of his content is shitty reaction slop but to be fair he's showed his study routine and what works for him.... I also think his investigations are alright...

google thinks im a mexican

>>219589228
you are

>>219589025
i think most people who know east asian languages here do it for the internet ecosystem rather than the cultural media. gaming/youtube/streaming/FF14/vrchat/maplestory/etc - usually people who were exposed to these things from a young. I know korean but don't know or care about kpop, dont typically watch kdramas, etc, i started learning way back on starcraft, Japanese I don't even watch anime or like it.

also
>'east asian racial fetishism'
fuck off

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This book is sure taking its sweet time arriving

>>219590320
Try and wrap your head around how pornified the average American's brain is. Porn is like food for them, 'three square faps to porn a day keeps the doctor away' is an axiom said commonly in American classrooms, dinner tables, psychiatry offices, etc. They develop complexes and perverted ideas that come from porn very easily. Like how a fish has no word for water, the American has no word for perversion. Best not to interact at all, or if you must, only interact as you would any other mentally disturbed person. He's sick. No amount of punishment or verbal abuse is going to cure him, he needs a healthy environment to recover.

>>219581358
>5 weeks
literally almost none, this is donde esta el bano level timeframe

Where can I find most used words list to memorize them and start inputmaxxing?
Not the frequency vocabs, I want to know like cuisine job animal greetings vocabs or something like this
French/russian specifically

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>>219591324
>cuisine job animal greetings

>>219590320
>i started learning way back on starcraft,
did you play on iccup?

>>219586017
you’re such a joke. not only can you not back up anything you claimed, but your very first immediate reaction to motivation is trying to shut it down and be a bitch about it, that’s really all i need to know about you. and i am willing to bet my trillion dollar sports car that i receive unforgettable blowjobs in by hot broads quasi every day that this attitude is a constant in your life and you have not successfully learnt a single foreign language to a considerable degree, let alone a second. i spit on you. but i implore you to stick to your loser mentality and just return to watching spongebob 14 hours a day, just don’t claim any of it is scientific fact.
>but input is important
yes, in fact, that’s the case with every single learning method. there is not one single method in which the consumption of comprehensible input does not play a role. however, it’s only a few anti-intellectual retards who grossly misunderstand their own hobby and the people they regularly quote and claim you will fail if you read about the grammar you spend 1000 hours watching without understanding it. brute forcing that is a collossal waste of time as looking it up and familiarizing yourself with it shortens that process so significantly that your stubbornness in turn seems so unbelievably retarded that it’s not even worth it to try and explain it to you since you already failed at step zero.
i sincerely hope lord aids finds you before the grim reaper, you autistic faggot. kill yourself.

>>219591767
you have, on 3 separate occasions, posted an autistic raging wall of text admonishing someone for pushing an input-only method. in none of these cases was the person actually pushing an input-only method.

>>219591854
oops this last part was meant for >>219586096 thanks friend forgot to tag
no amount of ridicule is ever enough for input troons

>>219586493
Damn new shadow is so lame.
The newer games have audio in a lot of languages though, maybe I should play them.

>>219591767
good thing you outlined the best method instead of just autistically screeching

DPT is back

>>219594112

We're so back

>>219594133
you're one of the worst posters but i'll admit this is funny, here's your (You)

>>219594160
What made you think this was a joke? DPT has been around for a while. I should commit more to it.

What does dpt mean?
Delusional Polish Troon?

>>219594323
Daily Polish Thread. It's a general for users to learn Polish.

>>219591767
I ain't reading all that lil bro. Maybe spend more time studying your lang instead of crying about what other niggas are doing

>>219586451
I inputted with cute Asian girls for 3 years and the only word I learnt was 抽屉 (drawer)

it's so weird that Chinese grammar is so similar to English. They even have an equivalent to phrasal verbs i.e. go-in 进-去 come-out 出-来 quiet-down 安静-下来
Chinese c z q j zh ch x s sh are also all easily learnt by English speakers (as we have these distinctions in our own language, kind of). In contrast French and Spanish speakers can never seem to get these right.
we even have rising tone for asking questions and creaky voice for valley girl accent which makes it easier for us to learn tones by a little bit.

Do EFLs have an advantage learning Chinese?

elon.io is kind of cool. i'm using it after serb bro recommended it.

can anyone vouch for the accuracy of translations (especially how idiomatic they are), especially at higher levels?

I'm guessing since it's probably all AI-generated, anything in the beginning is probably totally fine but maybe higher levels of the language have less accurate exercises.

how do I stop getting better at japanese
http://youtube.com/shorts/xzHFzZt23wY

>>219597584
Not enough umami

>>219581524
I think it says something about the enduring impact of Germany and Germans that they have their own, fairly popular wojack variant. What other people can claim such a thing?

bvmp

>>219591324
Maybe try a beginner textbook. They are usually structured in a way that each chapter covers different topics and vocab related to them.

>>219596392
>creaky voice
another language learning win for women

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>>219594133
spoiler: It's just one poster switching VPNs to make it seem like "real" people are learning Polish.

>>219601517
I swear it's all one canadian guy. for years now

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I found my next door neighbor, a skinny frail old man, drunkenly stumbling around in my neighborhood and I helped him back to his house. Then his family paid me money, thanked and apologized profusely and said they were trying to find him a caretaker but no luck. Then I saw a book lying around and I realized the old man was a published historian from my TL country. Since I was their neighbor and I'm a NEET anyway I said I would do it for free if I could have conversations with him and they were delighted and accepted. Then I woke up.

>>219581162
It's so easy if you know two languages from one branch. If you know English and German you can learn to read Danish/Swedish/Norwegian and Dutch within 1-2 years respectively.

>>219604663
imo, any real scholar in the humanities should be able to read all Romance and Germanic languages at C1-C2/scientific level. Reality is that I know professors specialized in things like Middle High German who are barely C1 in English, lol. What a waste

>>219561607
THIS SHIP IS TOTALLY SINKING

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Today I am 0.00000000000001% closer to my goal, but it's better than 0

hej

>>219606285
morsning

>>219606302
vill knulla dig i röven

Vi sitter här i Venten och spelar lite Dota

>>219608361
dansa med oss, klappa dina händer ;_;

>>219582896
The SLA research is pretty much a solved question that scaffolded input [pop-up dictionary, glosses, word-lookups, in-context grammar explanations] combined with srs gives the most rapid progress in comprehension. Out of context explanations have very low memorability, input without explanation can be very hard to pick up new concepts. Rapid on-demand lookup of words and grammar combined with mostly comprehensible input is gold tier. This isn't some sort of vague contentious idea someone came up with on youtube there's like 100 studies on it.

The problem with unscaffolded input is that the studies on it are very narrow - 98%+ comprehension of material (artificial learner material designed to be comprehensible) for adequate incidental gains. And even compared to that narrow, idealized scenario input with rapid lookup is still more effective

but traditional out of context language pedagogy is objectively dogshit. like most people I took 4+ years of spanish in school and can say like 3 canned phrases and understand basically nothing, massive waste of precious valuable youth hours

"Caramelldansen" means "the caramell dance", not "caramell dancing". People always mistranslate it. -en is a definite suffix, not German.

>>219588936
>Music
Currently, the only thing that attracts me to this language is their amazing music scene; no matter what I come across, especially anything from the 2000s, I instantly like it.
>"ordinary" books
I just saw some Japanese crime novels and thrillers in a bookstore recently
>money
>history
>number of speakers
This can be said about many other easier languages of countries that are easier to emigrate to
>>219596392
>we even have rising tone for asking questions
Actually, it's all or almost all European languages I think

>>219611028
could you recommend me japanese music

>>219591324
LINGVIST has vocab lists sorted by topic like this

>>219609513
it's because of caramell dancin'

>>219591767
input is great because
>it has a non-zero benefit
>it's about as much effort to do 100 hours of input consumption as it is 1 hour of active study
therefore even if the per-hour effectiveness is dramatically lower, input still wins on the basis of sheer volume

>>219612581
Sounds like a simpler explanation

Hope the Anglo learning Farsi can do so without any issues now. Maybe they'll switch over to Roman characters with diacritics.

>>219613559
would be great to have another non islamic IE realm. How much % of Farsi is semitic at this point?

>>219601517
It's not. People were still posting in the thread when I went to sleep.

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the poleaf network sends its regards

>>219611283
The Pillows
NUMBERGIRL (songs like Iggy Pop Fan Club or Teenage Casualties or Sentimental Girl's Violent Joke)
ANORAK!
Mass of the Fermenting Dregs (song Aoi, Koi, Daidaiiro for example or Delisionalism)
Kyoko Togawa (19+5)
Brandy Senki
Makoto Matsushita (September Rain)
rubens
Momoko Kikuchi (Glass no Sogen)
Chisato Moritaka
chouchou merged syrups.
maya ongaku
GO!GO!7188 (especially song Ukifune)
Kaneko Ayano
haku.
The Blue Hearts
Wasureranneyo
Crazy Blues
Chakura
Vaundy
Cody - Lee
Damnably
And of course the classic of the City Pop or "anime composers" like Tsuneo Imahori or Susumu Hirasawa. I like Hinata Toshifumi as well, I bet you know "Reflections" from the memes

>>219613559
>>219614700
It would be nice if they came up with some completely unusual script

New DPT, posting here for Polish learners
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>>219615624
I am not crazy! I know he pretended to be those posters! I knew there were no real Polish learners. As if I could ever be fooled. Never. Never! I just – I just couldn't prove it. He – he covered his tracks, he got that idiot from /polska/ to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That bike accident! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! The Leaf! He said Polish wasn't irrelevant! And I (You)'d him! And I shouldn't have. I showed him the Power Language Index! What was I thinking? He'll never change his TL. He'll never change it! Ever since he was a newfag, always the same! Couldn't keep his mouth shut about Poland! But not our Leaf! Couldn't be precious Poleaf! Fooling everyone blind! And he gets to be fluent!? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you – you have to stop him! You-

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>>219615721
You're literally learning Swedish.

The Serb and the Poleaf have a rather cute rivalry

>>219615721
you´ll get an updoot from me for that one

>>219615721
bravo

>>219616022
Which ones the top, and which ones the bottom?

bum

>>219616432
me

>>219616432
You ever heard of lesbian bed death? Well, when two gay bottoms get together, it's called sissy bed death.

Duolingo Chinese -> SuperChinese -> Du Chinese/Duostories + HSK 1-3 Workbooks -> Immersion + HSK 3-6 Workbooks + Pleco + Hello Talk

Meme or good?

Dabbling bump
Should I drop German or Spanish now?

>>219617219
duolingo chinese is actually dogshit. I honestly just recommend getting a textbook they use at university (I used new practical chinese reader). Supplement with HSK workbooks if you want (chinese textbooks are often centred around HSK in the first place) And make sure to do listening stuff from youtube (very important to learn tones and shit)

476명
사백칠심늉명
한국인들이 이렇게 발음하니?

>>219617219
almost all Chinese learning apps are poor quality made to cash in on the Chinese learning craze
just use textbooks

>>219617219
Yeah nah, don't do that lmao.
Just pirate the Chinese zero to hero course or ChineseClass101 from RuTracker.
Both are vastly better than any app.

Here's my learning system for Spanish, but it could be good for other romance languages. It's been very good for me, and I've learnt a lot very quickly.

Core learning material - Monday-Friday - Assimil Spanish with Ease
Test - Friday
Weekend error correction - Madrigal Key to Spanish (Saturday), Automacity drills (Sunday)
Everyday - Anki vocab + sentences

Madrigal is unique in that it explains Spanish in a logical way, so if I don't really understand something, or I struggle with it, then it will often clear up confusion for me. The automacity drills are are to take my errors ad target them directly to work on them to fix them and to make the corrections automatic. Also, the way the lessons are, if you have some basic foundation of Spanish you can skip around the chapters and target specific chapters. So you shouldn't have much trouble at all jumping from like chapter 5, to chapter 25, then back to chapter 8 or whatever without even knowing much Spanish. Madrigal is really good as a supplement. It's good for targeting weaknesses because of this. The only issue is that the index isn't very good.

The first 20 chapters of Assimil, I was doing 2-3 lessons a day, but they get more difficult and I had to slow it down to 1 a day. Don't just gloss over the lessons. I shadow and read the passage in each lesson 20+ times, and I follow the advice the book recommends. Alexander Arguelles says you can do an Assimil lesson in 15 minutes, but I spend an hour on them.

Linguno, Conjuguemos, and Spanishdict have some good drills, and you can make Anki cards to drill with. You could also try FSI for automaticity drills, but a warning that it will be difficult. FSI pronunciation drills are good though.

I think it's comprehensive and systemic and covers everything. It works best with two hours a day, but I guess you could squeeze it into an hour if you're careful with not letting Anki cards pile up.

Russian is very pleasant to read in.

bump'as

hej

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if only we where native speakers of arabic

>>219627032
sed multas litteras arabicas in ore suo tenet. quomodo loquitur sine litteris excidunt?

>>219561607
Brazilian Portuguese sounds god tier if spoken in a formal, or poetic way. I can’t speak it but it seems like lower classes ruin it

>>219627032
>4-6 vowel phonemes
instafiltered by any germanic language with 10-20 vowel phonemes. Grim
also the speakers of Egyptian Arabic, the most spoken variety, can't even pronounce [p, v, ʒ], mind you even educated speakers end up pronouncing "garage" like "garash" so clearly the "complete range of articulation" doesn't help much with this

>>219617219
Just use SuperChinese and DuChinese

>>219629053
Do you mean standard Brazilian Portuguese?

>>219631980
Is that a thing?

I regret learning Japanese

>>219633021
Why?

>>219633026
Idk if I burned myself out on anime or just grew out of it but one day I was watching it and all of the sudden I thought "what the fuck am I watching." Like all at once it hit that it's cartoons for 14 year olds in Japan. And ever since I haven't been able to enjoy it.
There's some actual literature I like, so I guess it wasn't a total waste, but that alone isn't worth learning Jap for imo.

>>219633246
Maybe look into Japanese imageboards and what the Jappies are talking about among themselves. Surely there is more to their culture then just animus and some literature. You'll be surprised what you might find.

>>219633246
I'm still learning and want to read mangas that are more mature when I get better, and will watch some media, and like other anon said japs online, and I want to into their literature, but I also just like it because it is the opposite of English, and I'm learning a lot about linguistics by studying it. I want to get into writing stories/stuff daily, later this year.

>>219627032
so that's why all Arabs in the west have perfect native accen- oh.
also they can't do vowels

>>219627032
>complete range of articulation points
no velar nasal, which is present in around 50% of the world's languages

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>>219632263
Not exactly, however most national TV programming originates from the cities of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo so the upper and middle-class accents of those two cities, respectively carioca and paulistano, which by the way differ a lot from each other, are normally considered “mainstream”. Typically a "neutral blend" between the two accents is used on national TV newcasts and dubbing of foreign movies and TV series,as well as it is what google translate labels "Brazlian Portugueses". Naturally it's not like these two sociolects lack the many brazilianisms of coloquial Brazilian Portuguese but they are relatively closer to the "norma padrão" compared to the non standart varieties.

https://youtu.be/_S9W8nTsMoA
https://youtu.be/dpMZ5bwLUfs

>>219633246
Time to book a trip to Japan

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If you have any desire to get acquainted with or drill Korean fundamentals on this 3월 1일, check this out if you'd like.
https://elon.io/view-course/74832

>>219617219
Unless any of those meme sites offer lifetime purchase options, I don't think it's worth it. Also, the legacy HSK just got overhauled and it seems like it's finally taking itself seriously now.

Whatever it is, pick one, and work through it till the end with a grammar, a dictionary and a tutor. One hour a day minimum

>>219635334
Nothing good can come from that. Either Japan will be as great as I thought it was and I'll have to cope for the rest of my life that I can't live there, or it'll be worse than I thought it was and it'll put the nail in the coffin for me.

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>>219636013
how do you like elon?

>>219636065
you are a coward

>>219633246
>Like all at once it hit that it's cartoons for 14 year olds in Japan.
Even outside of language learning, it's always been hard for me to comprehend how people "watch anime" as like their main thing. There's a handful of classics and occasionally something new and worthwhile will come around but it is and has always been 99% pure slop Cartoons.

>>219636555
it used to be different before isekai

I like elon.io's idea of learning vocab through output typing exercises, and it seems like a more efficient method than plain recognition/recall cards in Anki, but there's problems:

- The vocab isn't immediately relevant. I won't encounter "Está oscuro fuera." in the book/show/video I'll input with after doing the lessons.

- There's too much repetition. It seems like to "graduate" a word or sentence, you need to type it correctly like 5 times. Each lesson teaches ~30 words and ~50 sentences that use those ~30 words. Doing 80 items 5 times sounds like a nightmare. That's not even counting the reviews as those pile up.

- The sentences are most likely AI generated. This means you could be learning some unnatural/broken stuff.

Improvements could be:

- Using user provided text to generate lessons. For example, I could import subtitles from a video of Spanish After Hours, it parses it, and uses that to teach me all the vocab and sentences that appear in the video that contain words I haven't encountered yet. This solves the problem with AI generated sentences, since you're now getting the sentences from a native speaker instead. It's also 100% relevant vocab and sentences that are immediately useful.

- Auto-filling some of the hangman words if I've already correctly typed the form for 5+ sentences. Words like "es", "yo", "y", etc. are going to be seen in 90% of sentences, so typing them out each time is going to be annoying. Having them filled out already, and only testing the new words could save time.

- Using less repetition. Cutting it down to 3 passes to graduate could work. Since we're using user-provided text, a sentence may have multiple unknown words. I may have to do 3 or more vocab items for 1 sentence item. This could also cut down items since now for one lesson, there could be 30 vocab items, and maybe 8 sentence items.

- Removing SRS. Extremely controversial. I'd say more, but there's a character limit.

I'd like to hear the Serb's thoughts on this.

I liked Japan better when it was ninjas instead of anime.

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>>219636065
The measure of your life is in the choices you made, how you responded to situations as they arose, and how you met other rational agents where they were. Never fix your affections on the future.

>>219636115
I found it through /lang/, where I learn about every other language toy, and spent a few hours making those sets of exercises. It made me nostalgic for Quizlet back when I used it in highschool before it became a subscription service.
Firstly there are limited formatting options, the font sizes are to small, and more educationally utilitarian font types aren't available; there are only the less legible sans-serif types.
Secondly, it's only worth it as a tool to practice the basics on, because I don't want to potentially risk losing days of work transcribing a textbook onto something I can't use locally.

Maybe this is a verbose answer to the question but there's nothing better for reviewing your material than Anki. Even if these newfangled tech companies constantly springing up like traverse.link claim they have a more sophisticated SRS approach, they're still locked inside of a front-end web application and their pricing models can be changed at any time.

>>219636623
>I'd like to hear the Serb's thoughts on this.

Yeah, there's too much repetition. I was having fun initially and it felt like an engaging way to activate output and test out your writing skills through translating sentences, but the reviews eventually pile up and the familiar dread starts coming up. I wouldn't use this app to learn vocab, rather as a supplement to input so you have a place to just test out your output and construct sentences and see which parts of the language are still giving you trouble.

Ideally what I'd like is to select a bunch of lessons and put the sentences into a pool, get a random sentence to translate and if I get it right, it removes it from the pool. When I get to zero, I finish the session. That's it.

>>219637442
>put the sentences into a pool, get a random sentence to translate and if I get it right, it removes it from the pool. When I get to zero, I finish the session

The issue with that is not every sentence is the same length, and some sentences will have multiple unknown words.
The first sentence you encounter might be "It's raining outside.", you might know "It's raining", but not "outside", so you get that wrong, then it moves to the next sentence "I like working from home since it gives me more time to do my hobbies when work isn't too busy".

The user would be overwhelmed by the second sentence from lesson 32 vs the first sentence from lesson 5.

Would you still have the user learn all the vocab they don't know first, like having to get "it is", "rain", and "outside" correct before seeing "It's raining outside"?

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>>219636864
>Maybe this is a verbose answer to the question but there's nothing better for reviewing your material than Anki.
do you mean that anki is better than all alternatives (including elon), or that there is nothing better than anki, except for elon? im not an esl, no bully.

>>219636623
>>219637442
I can't really see myself doing this past the "elon.io A1" or "elon.io A2" level.

the repetition really sucks and it seems like the SRS is not very good, but i have very limited materials for my language (bcms) at my level so i am OK with just saying fuck it and trucking along for a few months with this shit.

>>219638302
He's saying Anki is the best setup over anything else. With Anki:

- he doesn't have to pay any money
- he's not dependent on anyone keeping their site or app up
- he has full ownership of all of his review materials

>>219638468
anki literally sucks shit its just the only option for brokefags who can't find $8 a month to use something good

>>219638588
I also don't like it, but anki-connect is insanely useful. What do you use?

>>219638131
>The user would be overwhelmed by the second sentence from lesson 32 vs the first sentence from lesson 5.

Right, but I already said that you can select which lessons you want to do. If you want to ease into it, you'd start with just lesson 1 and 2 maybe, if you want a challenge, you select lesson 10-15, etc. I like apps that trust the user to control his own learning instead of treating him like an idiot that needs to be spoon-fed.

>Would you still have the user learn all the vocab

Again, I wouldn't use this for learning vocab, only ACTIVATING output, which means you already know the vocab, you've probably seen it hundreds of times, you just never really used in a sentence.

>>219636623
I also can't type hanzi in it, it only accepts pinyin. It sucks.

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>>219636013
>drill korean fundamentals
i'm an input chad and above such things

>>219638588
>>219641617
>baseless contrarianism
Ok

>>219640271
You have to make your own sets of exercises, and you can type with whatever.

>>219641617
Do you have a GitHub for your extension/userscript?

>>219636211
I have given you great wisdom. It is okay if you cannot see it yet, but you do not need to lash out with name calling.

>fica in Italian means "fig" and "cunt"
Lol

>>219584857
That sounds like a pretty neat language if I may be so bold

As the King of PSLs, I solemnly declare our departure from /lang/. For too long have we been oppressed and discriminated against under the harsh rule of /lang/. Our suffering will be no longer, for now we have a safe haven in DPT.

>>219642287

>>219633246
For me it was my massive distaste of the entire language. I hated how it sounded, I hated how it all sounded "samey" because it has like 2 phonemes. I think every single syllable ending in a vowel or an "n" amplified this. I hated how they dropped half of their sentences. It feels like a language that's half-finished

>>219636555
That's literally every single medium though

>>219642542
Polish however is very neat, but I don't see any reason to learn that over something like Russian if I wanted to go the slav route

>>219642608
Would you rather live in Russia or Poland?

>>219641617
how is korean for learning? i know there are a ton of shows in korean now

>>219642923
Russian is more useful in western europe. They are Russians and Ukrainians everywhere

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>most Cantonese speakers don't even use their own characters for writing anymore, they use the Mandarin ones, but they pronounce them with Cantonese pronunciation

so instead of writing 係,佢,食 they will write 是,他,吃 but pronounce them as hai6 keoi5 sik6

that's so fucking cringe, man

>>219642026
No, it doesn't. Figa as fig is only dialectical. It also means an attractive woman, "che figa". But don't call them that unless you want to be slapped in the face.

>>219643242
If your goal is to talk to immigrants (lol) then you better learn Turkish, kraut.

>>219645089
There's actual use for Russian in Germany though. Who do you talk to in Polish or Turkish? Grandmas?

>>219645291
>There's actual use for Russian in Germany though.
Such as?
>Who do you talk to in Polish or Turkish? Grandmas?
You're telling me you have no use for Polish when you literally border the country?

>>219645410
and why would I, as a westerner, go to Poland? Meanwhile I bump into Russians and Ukrainians all the time. They are my age, behave and look like me but often struggle with German

>>219645513
There are many places where there are more Polish immigrants. But if you want to talk to immigrants so bad then learn Turkish, Kurdish or Arabic. You're not telling the whole story when it comes to your "reasons" for learning Russian.

>>219645529
Poles, Turks and Kurds know German. Russians/Ukrainians don't

>>219645630
So they intend on moving back or to another country is what you're saying. So long for Russian/Ukrainian being useful.

>>219645650
russians/ukrainians combined are almost the biggest immigrant group. Russian is also useful for traveling in West Asia (more or less popular destination for outdoor stuff). Why would a westerner prefer Polish?

>>219645736
>russians/ukrainians combined are almost the biggest immigrant group.
You always have to include Ukrainians in this because otherwise Russians are a miniscule immigrant group. EVEN THOUGH Ukrainians have their own language.
>Russian is also useful for traveling in West Asia (more or less popular destination for outdoor stuff).
Would you rather be in Poland or in Russia? Or any other "Russian-speaking country" for that matter (they all have their own languages, besides ones where Russians caused the extinction or endangerment of a language)?
>Why would a westerner prefer Polish?
Because Poland is a better place to be and Poles are overall better people than Russians.

>>219643459
actually most Cantonese speakers never write Cantonese
also 是,他,吃 all have Cantonese readings... nobody would ever do this, I wonder where you have pulled this from?

>>219643459
>Doesn't know they have always done this
下次諗多啲先po啦,傻閪

>>219633021
>>219633246
Find friends, start doing things in that language other than watching anime. Although I didn't study Japanese seriously, there was a time when I liked anime, and now I'm turned off by it. That's because there are some really good anime that can be called art and a lot of slop shows, but the transition from watching one to the other is very smooth. Read books, learn about culture, go to Japan, find friends and have fun

What is the fastest you have ever progressed to B1 level? I lied on my resumé and need to learn Portuguese asap jajaja

>>219645785
>otherwise Russians are a miniscule immigrant group
Most of the time they are spies under passports made with stolen identities in other nations, so they don't count towards the statistics lol.

>>219647700
Is this a job where you will actually have to use it?

I just got a short in TL and it never consciously registered that I was listening to TL until a moment after. It just... happened.

>>219649031
no i just made it up on my resumé, I said I did an exchange there and worked there solving climate issues with municipal government. Lied about my consulting experience at big4 too xD

>>219649537
Don't worry about it. They're not going to interview you in Portuguese.

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>>219642923
>Would you rather live in Russia or Poland?
I'd rather live in Narva, Estonia

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>>219650539
you don't want to, there is nothing to do there, all of the historic swedish architecture got destroyed in WW2 and paved over with endless commie blocks, also there is an actual afront to all architecture looming over the city ruining the skyline
if you want to talk to russians so badly then just go to moscow

>>219647700
Find someone that speaks Portuguese at a B1 level and looks like you, then switch with him on days when you're expected to speak Portuguese. In the language learning biz, we call this the switcharoo and it's a legit method.

el bump

>>219652879
and then on that day you go pretend to be a c2 Dutch speaker, and that guy goes and pretends to be a c1 English speaker for someone's IELTS exam...

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>>219651830
wtf estonia has seb too?

>>219651830
I'm not actually learning Russian, but if I were, wouldn't it be easier to go somewhere in the EU where they speak Russian than try to get a visa to go to Russia?