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First for my wife!
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>>50681882
>actual song sounds super fucking generic with no rhythm
>Art isn't even erotic, it just looks generic even for lolicon stuff
>Animation is complete crap
How were westoids baited by this?
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>>50682002
It blasphemes Our Wholesome 100% Goddess Kaai Yuki (peace be upon her)
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>>50682002
Who are you quoting?
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>>50682323
The fucking OP. You blind?
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>>50682328
OP said nothing of sort. Maybe you meant to post it on Twitter or whatever other shithole you came from?
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>>50682336
The fucking picture you retard. Why don't you sperg about him if you're gonna throw a tantrum about drama of any sort?
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>>50682361
hownew.ru
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>>50682365
Why don't you sperg about him if you're gonna throw a tantrum about drama of any sort?
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>>50682371
Lurk moar, and one day, you might figure it out.
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>>50682002
>westoids
everyone keeps insisting EOPs were the ones offended, but all the hate comments i saw were from china and korea
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>>50682622
This. It was mostly chinks.
Also the "new version" (probably a MikuTeto version lets be honest) is coming out on March 9.
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https://youtu.be/IAads22DSsk?si=CwAlEUkjkSX6jUmh
1 hour of selected ballads
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>>50682622
It's just some tourist who really really wants to discuss social media drama, even if the drama doesn't actually exist. Just look what happened when that song was posted, instantly we got questions on whenever someone already got offended and then eventually screenshots from some random social media.
Also "westoids" is a free give away. This term is used exclusively by tourists.
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Personally I haven't seen a single Westerner outside of here talk about it.
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>>50682237
Sexualize Ui: this is fine
Sexualize Rin: this is fine
Sexualize Una: this is fine

Sexualize Yuki: HOW DARE YOU DISRESPECT HER CHARACTER LIKE THAT

I don't get it
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they made a Kyoufuuoorubakku reference in kaya-chan wa kowakunai
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>>50682810
It's because she's the only one out of them voiced by an actual kid. Though the voice provider is in her mid to late 20's now.
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>>50682810
depends
yuki sings but it's actually osage-chan? too pure, pls no touch. also depressed.
yuki sings? eh whatever
yuki sings and it's some retard normie outrage bait? you do you, also fuck off
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>>50682810
all 4 are already sexy, no sexualization needed
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Personally I don't interact with westerners to know whether they talked about it or not.
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>>50682847
>yuki sings but it's actually osage-chan? too pure, pls no touch.
you won't stop me
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>>50681176
From where is that and is there MOAR of it?
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Based OP btw
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hello anons. to commemorate that successful publicity stunt that is the yuki ui song, i decided to post my soundcloud exclusive covers to youtube. video is white for obvious reasons. enjoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsiSsQWA8yc
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>>50683471
kill yourself attention whore
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>>50683159
https://x.com/namamonanase/media
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>>50683505
appreciate the compliment.
i must state though, if i was really pulling off a stunt like that, i would have added the translated lyrics that are already available in the internet, or display the full illustration in video, to which i did not.

again, this was already finished and published on my sc page last year. i can post my stuff to yt anytime i want. i only felt the need to drop this one specifically just for that event, and it is not solely to attract loud worms from the vocaloid scene.
have a good day :)
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What is it about Kaai Yuki that baits people and makes them seethe?
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>>50683578
See >>50682844
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>>50683471
Do you only cover sexually explicit songs with Kaai Yuki?
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>>50681882
You knew what you were doing when you chose the pic
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>>50682637
All this whining and you still can’t come up with a topic that interests the thread. Either you do something to divert attention away from drama, or fuck off. Don’t forget to throw a tantrum about the other anons talking about Yuki btw
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zundamon looks nervous up there giving her presentation
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>>50683765
i make covers of songs i want to cover. explicit or not. i have two more that i haven't published online yet, still looking for potential dates.
keep in mind i only have miku and yuki in my possession, and i only use miku for really specific things because i want her to sound the best. i have a miku cover in my yt and sc pages, so feel free to listen. i put my best efforts on trying to make her sing beautifully.

as for yuki, she's perfect for my upcoming EP probably set to release this year. date unknown because i'm very slow at music producing, still learning the ropes. i already have over 10+ original projects in the works. uncertain if i ever finish them.

one of the tracks from the EP is also readily available on my pages, literally my first upload. feel free to listen to that also :)
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>>50683933
>Originals
Oh, so you're actually not just baiting people with covers. Here's your crown, king.
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>>50682831
IIRC there was an IA reference in Kaguya-sama. Can't remember which chapter.
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>>50684065
It was the cosplay cafe one
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namigroove is doing a sequel to one of his other songs instead of doing another zunda series song for vocacolle this time
https://x.com/namigroove/status/2023683839306960963
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32ki and Atena are collabing for a Gumi/Flower/Miku/Teto/IA/Kafu song
https://x.com/32ki_May/status/2023683877630603580
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>>50683514
Thanks. Any idea on what is she saying tho?
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>>50684196
>special relief committee
what kind of relief? asking for a friend
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>>50684196
32ki is a one hit wonder hack
Atena is actually talented and can hopefully salvage this song
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>>50683933
I think I'm actually subscribed to you yukianon. Your covers are pretty good.
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>>50683471
what is wrong with this guy?
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>>50684267
thank you <3

i really don't want to become a big artist as i am just making music as a hobby without any desire of going full-time, but it's always nice to have fans of my work. i try my best to produce works that only a select few can resonate with, and those who have the ability to understand the reasoning behind the choices i make in my production. which is why i do risky stuff like making yuki cover suggestive songs. i do not want to cater to the majority, i want to cater to those who care.

again, thanks <3
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>>50684213
>It's cold, let's go in (the building)
Probably
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>>50684331
she's raising her sweater so she's probably asking if you want to get under it
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>>50684367
Oh yeah that makes more sense, I'm autistic and don't understand context
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New Freistadt LwP. It kind of reminds me of and old school vocaloid song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UxEyZfW4D8
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Project Sekai just released the new homing echo/KEI which is his first vocaloid song in over a decade. They only released the Leo/Need version, I wonder when the vocaloid version will be released, will probably have to wait until it's in the game to hear it
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>>50684594
According to the game, the vocaloid version is a Miku/Luka duet
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Vocaloid version comes out Saturday, I'm curious how the tuning will sound. It's been a while since they've done vocaloid stuff, but I like how Luka and Miku sound in his older stuff like Hello Worker and dialogue.
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>>50684196
My wife is so cute when she's singing with her friends.
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I mean just look at them go, I missed these group songs so much, bros.
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>>50684065
123
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I still don't like it.
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>>50684727
People who redesign characters by cutting their long hair and/or replacing skirt with shorts deserve dedicated place in hell.
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>>50684727
looks like a boy
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>>50684727
>>50684772
Rapunzel treatment
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>>50684196
>>50684643
(besides miku/teto) all of them were at one point the second most popular loid, even if they're all wholoids now
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>>50684772
not always
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>>50684727
Lore accurate IA
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>>50684975
Always, especially in case of flower. She looks like a male.
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>>50685069
That's the appeal
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>>50684996
She'll grow it back in time according to her lore
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>>50685117
If you are gay, maybe
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>>50685230
Adorable Mikus.

I love seeing Mikus taking care of each other.
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>>50685069
That's a good thing, it balances out how Piko looks like a girl, even if I also liked V3Flower just as much. I prefer IA V6 to IA V3 slightly, though.
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>>50685589
>it balances out how Piko looks like a girl
I don't appreciate either
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Going to Japan soon
What should I check out as a Vocaloid geek?
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>no posts about Kaito
:(
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>>50685884
there was a label called tokyo future music located in Ikebukuro that stocked a ton of indie CDs including vocaloid. i always wanted to go there.
they ran a cafe of sorts where i guess you could show up, drink tea and listen to music, and maybe even buy some of the CDs if they had stock.
i believe it shut down, but the site is still up, they might have moved but i'm not really sure. the cafe was non-profit so they're probably kaput

http://www.future-music.co.jp/
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>>50685884
you may catch the elusive una train. don't think anyone here managed to do it yet.
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>>50685934
where does the una train go? is it like the polar express?
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>>50684196
flower is the most relevant out of all those
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>>50684727
This is an objectively good design t.artist
Theres nothing wrong with switching up a design. Did you shit your pants for v3 to v4 flower too
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>>50685155
If loving flower makes me gay then i'm a massive faggot
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>>50685589
Piko doesn't have anything to do with flower, and neither does IA
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>>50686271
Say this when Miku loses her twintails then I will believe you.
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>>50686317
She looks good
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>>50686317
I googled "miku hair down" and its just bluka but it doesnt look bad
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>>50686271
>Doesn't know what "objectively" means
You should stick to art, bud.
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>>50686324
If she came out like this she would have been a wholoid
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>>50686381
Source: I made it up
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>>50686388
CUL looked like this and she is a wholoid
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>>50686418
CUL is not a cryptonloid nor does she have the same voice as Miku so I don't see your point. You're not gonna be able to prove this cuz it can't be proven, she might as well have blown up looking like this
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>>50686388
Says the guy who says it's "objectively" better lmao
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>>50686438
Wasn't me
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>>50686442
Then you agree it's a downgrade, which means she very well could have been unpopular.
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>>50686451
I did not agree it's a downgrade, but even if I had it wouldn't mean anything about her blowing up
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>>50686453
If you don't understand it then you should lurk more. Should have been there in the 2000s I guess.
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>>50686462
nice troll
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I get that they're trying to expand her lore and all but I would think a design this drastic would have been reserved for special events, not a big release such as V6. Anyways it's not the worst design for a loid out there, but it is still her worst design yet for me. This wouldn't be the first time they bamboozle her fans anyways, the first time was with the weird avant garde ARIA live show when most people expected something similar to Party A Go-Go.
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>>50686462
>If you don't understand it then you should lurk more.
...Did you seriously just parrot that line? It wasn't some "epic" reply earlier in the thread either, by the way, just so you know.
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>>50686596
Seethe, retard
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>>50686609
owned
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>>50686609
Go back to your troll 101 class.
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>>50686613
>>50686622
They hated Jesus because he told them the truth
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I started this drawing 1.16 years ago with a sketch but now Im drawing over it
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>>50686528
you're not the first to endure it nor the last
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>>50686686
I'm so sorry Mikubro...
But at least this isn't V6 so the damage isn't permanent
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>>50686313
Are you dense? I'm saying I like when loids look like they're cross dressing or otherwise more masculine or feminine than average.
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>>50686727
>>50686622
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whats mikus sexuality
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>>50686762
I'm not trolling, though. Just because I disagree doesn't mean I'm trolling.
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>>50686528
IA has lore?
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>>50686898
Yeah, you have dig them up in various places. She has some in the rebreath website explaining how her hair expands and retracts in phases
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https://x.com/cfm_sonicwire/status/2024003321690775893
Preorders for Miku V6 are up now. Her main visual will be revealed on Miku day and the release is planned for April 14.
She's doing the V2 pose.
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Here's the full silhouette. Her boots don't go up to her thighs anymore.
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>>50686768
mastersexual
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>>50686768
miku
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>>50686967
Her hair accessories also doubled
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>>50686961
>Not revealing the silhouette until the last minute
Why is Miku and IA doing the same thing? This must mean they are friends.
>>50686967
She will be popular I'm sure
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>>50686961
Oh thank god she doesn't look retarded anymore'
>Needs vocaloid 6 editor
well shit.
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>>50686903
>She has some in the rebreath website explaining how her hair expands and retracts in phases
Care to elaborate?
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>>50687133
https://warosu.org/jp/thread/50604478#p50636414
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>>50687143
Missed that. Thanks.
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>>50686967
looks like she got her hair back
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>>50687153
IA donated to her friend since she saw Miku was suffering from hair loss since V4
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>>50686967
>Her boots don't go up to her thighs anymore.
ruined
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>>50686967
Holy sex
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>>50686967
PoPiPo Miku best Miku
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>>50684916
People are noticing, it's not just you. In fact, the order is exactly how it played out in history. Here's an example of one guy noticing.
>https://x.com/ikuze_sabu/status/2023994639984767120
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>>50684916
>>50687419
if that was the case, where is Luka?
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>>50687425
Leeches like Luka and Rin don't count
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>>50687425
Well if we really want to be pedantic then when Miku came out it should be Kaito (since there was no one else), then Rin and Len (because they are more popular than Kaito after release). Even then do we really want to count stuff like Miriam, Leon, and Lola? I think Luka was skipped because at the time there was not much competition going on.
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So is Miku the only one getting attention and everyone one else is left to sound like shit? She didn't need another VB
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>>50687462
If SP is anything to go by, any future voicebanks for other cyptonloids would be them trying to "solve" why they aren't as popular as Miku by trying to make them sound as close to Miku as possible
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>>50687425
>>50687456
Each loid in the video was at some point the second most popular and they are ordered chronologically. Noone said that every second most popular loid was in the video

>>50687462
This thread has talked about IA as much as Miku recently, but you can't actually be surprised by Miku getting special attention
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>>50686686
This design is not nearly as bad. I would even say that it fits its setting(The End opera) very well.
MM2023 Hero design is much worse.
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>>50686967
You can still see skindentation. Miku is going to have nice thighhigh socks!
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has crypton ever acknowledged the existence of a non-crypton loid aside from teto?
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>>50687504
Does the official Miku YT channel posting songs with GUMI count?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohbSbLRJFeE
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>>50687504
they did a little Miku Zunda thing at Magical Mirai this last year. Just some pieces of merch and a small song/art contest that namigroove obviously ended up winning. Also, project sekai has non-Cryptonloid songs, even for their commissioned ones, so that probably counts too.
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>>50687504
The Piapro website allows you to upload songs sung by other loids, and the picture that comes with it (the silhouettes) can change into that loid.
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>>50687504
The official Hatsune Miku X account once made a tweet promoting Una merchandise (with Rin) based on Kinoshita's Poppin Candy Fever
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>>50686271
>Did you shit your pants for v3 to v4 flower too
No because it was an improvement
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>>50684727
This actually makes me upset.
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>>50687504
Gumi got a cameo in mirai. So i guess only gumi and teto got interesting collabs with crypton
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>>50684643
Is it me or did those die alongside the EXIT TUNES PRESENTS albums?
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>>50688204
The last big group song I can think of was Alice in N.Y
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namigroove's project sekai commission is a zunda rin duet. i think it's his first time using rin
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New Sasuke Haraguchi premiering now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tp4pTeTTQz4
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>>50684196
I'm not feeling Satsuki's music, the previous collab sounded dull too. Aside from Mesmerizer, Obsolet Meat is his only other catchy song. And producers, stop doing meta commentary lyrics about the Vocaloid scene, it looks like you have no life experiences outside the internet
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>>50689588
anon, Sasuke Haraguchi is Hito Mania and Igaku. That's 32ki, you're describing. Speaking of
New 32ki with Atena
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbm1nn9yoSc
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>>50689594
??? The fuck you on about
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>>50689605
I'm dumb and didn't see who you were replying to
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>>50689594
anon,
Satsuki = 32ki
Sasuke =/= Satsuki

>New 32ki with Atena
mid... a bit lower even
the melody isn't catchy or remarkable in any way, the multiple voices just sound like noise, and the MV has nothing interesting or noteworthy happening in it
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>>50689614
Wtf but they look cute
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found a better song with schoolgirl 'loids
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEOwd0zPlk
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For me, it's Hello Laughter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k88rv9SWkFc
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namigroove
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHD4UKHUj5Q
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>>50689594
>Mou mantai
No one expects the sudden Cantonese
Anyways it's an ok song, doesn't feel like a song that will blow up but who knows.
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>>50689739
I hate this. This is not the jazzpilled namigroove that I know and love. Not for me.
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I can relate to this one. I'm a nomad worker.
https://youtu.be/97YEaK5uxak
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>>50689556
Meh, alright

>>50689594
Subpar, overhyped, didn't meet expectations

>>50689739
I like it

>>50690048
Banger, I can relate as well
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new nulut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_ugFYaSrCQ
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>>50689594
not feeling it
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>>50689702
yuki is SUPER CUTE here. cute yuki, depressed yuki, and crazy yuki are all the best
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>>50684727
IA and First Place need to be punished.
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>>50690798
what does her sister have to do with this
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finally, after a few months of trying to remember that one denpa song i heard once and forgot where, i found it
https://youtu.be/Y0EcKR05Ac4
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>>50691118
no shit
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>>50691118
He's openly called himself one and made songs about it. One of the only producers to do that and still have an audience (based)
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>>50690024
namigroove is an extremely varied artist, this isn't even the first song of his that's in this style
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Everyone who said it was going to be neru was right kek
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>make a song with loli loids
>controversy from a vocal minority
>delete the song
>reupload with older loids
is this going to be a new pattern now?
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Can you please stop?
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>>50691854
Yeah and you will like it. Please eat my slop.
>>50691875
No
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>>50684594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l45Dz5wzh8
Coming in 28 hours
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>>50691854
I hope this becomes a trend. Let the fandom burn
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>>50691824
what the fuck is wrong with the chinese in the replies
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>>50689594
Cute MV. Dangerously cute. . .
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>>50689594
>Tetoslop
Meh. That Yuki and Una is still his best song
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>>50692385
My wife on the second from the left
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>>50692371
>finally got interested in bokaro
>drama queens shit it up
i just want to have fun -.-
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>>50692656
Based Yukibro making casuals seethe
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damn
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project sekai continues to show its value by getting mikitop to make a new vocaloid song
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>>50692824
I don't think this picture is family friendly...
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>>50692575
Who are you quoting?
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Twinfield feat. Miku

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_9us6OZ7CE

That's some unique tuning
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>>50692957
nobody?
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Also Yamagishi Koji feat. Miku

https://youtu.be/2YUgr3KpdzM

At least the 「MUSIC」 part of culture39 is listenable.
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Discord song https://youtu.be/NdD7B25C_OY
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>>50692824
Tetobros in the back
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>>50692824
What did he do to get the chinese to hate him to this extent? I don't think even the western fandom has the ability to hate someone this much
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>>50692824
What in the actual fuck? Maybe I've gotten too used to low-energy gay teenagers in the west. This is wild.
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namigroove's remix of mimukauwa nice try is actually crazy
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45953521
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New Nununununu with Teto this time
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45973678
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stoned teto
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45968123
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new flavor foley they're apparently doing for vocacolle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSYmTw6_bjc
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>>50694552
>it's a tranny song
why did they have to do my boy like this
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>>50694552
i wonder who wrote this song
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>>50694565
Human also was but in the other direction by the way. And every song of the first wave except for Butcher Vanity, Electric Weekend Zone, and Weiward Romance were explicitly gay. It is impossible to enjoy Flavor Foley if the subjects bother you. Personally I really liked this one musically but I've hated most of their past work because it usually sounds so boring.
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maybe they should just admit to being a "circle" with the sole purpose of spreading sodomite propaganda around the world especially in japan

since when did trannies took control 80% of the scene
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>>50694654
>80% of the scene
Literally only FF and Jamie make tranny music. The japanese mostly do their own shit.
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>>50694693
specifically referring to west but whatever you say lol
the propaganda WILL spread there, mark my words

(old screenshot, prob has more views now. take that fact as sober)
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>>50694759
According to vocadb, there are 167 songs in the transgender tag, with 965 in the general LGBT tag (which counts yaoi, yuri, etc)
Are you sure you arent just seeking out shit to get mad at?
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>>50694654
>I love getting mad at literally nothing

>>50694759
If this turns you into a tranny then something else would have if you hadn't watched it
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Licking flower's flat chest
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Honestly, I couldn't care less about western Ps.
Tranny shit aside, the songs are just worse in general and sound uncanny as fuck.
Maybe it's because Vocaloid is a niche thing in the West and indie musicians end up using a real vocalist or singing themselves even if they don't have a great voice, but I feel like there's huge wasted potential.
It's a real shame we will never get something like wowaka, inabakumori, gyari, treow, or even poppier stuff like deco in the west with the same quality. Or maybe the people making vocaloid music in the west are just amateurs or weirdos that can't get into real bands
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>>50694987
Western producers are making shit like that, it just doesn't get views, and that's the problem. 90% of western vocaloid fans prefer eating the slop the Youtube/Twitter algorithm feeds them than going on VocaDB and searching for what they want to hear or making it themselves. The western producers making good music are the ones that don't make it past 200 views.
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>>50694987
Disagree, the West gave us great producers like Circus, Crusher, MonochroMenace, GHOST etc. Even Flavor Foley. You might not personally like this type of music and that's okay, but it doesn't mean the music doesn't have quality to it. There is for sure a difference in culture, but that doesn't make it worse, just different.

>>50694999
Agreed somewhat with this though. There are tons of small Western producers that make great music.
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I love this event
there are so many songs to go through
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45971012
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>>50694552
i usually hate ftms with a burning passion but this was metal in a way none of them irl are so i like it
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>>50694654
>80% of the scene
2017ish, they just rarely got any traction outside of Ghost until Team 6×111
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>>50694987
western vocaloid producers are mostly amateur EDM pop style artists. vocaloid itself has already kind of funneled itself into that general genre when it comes to the popular songs both in western scenes and japan, but on the western end, that's kind of just how it grew.
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New Amala
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b4oDhGN1KA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ot0UesRFHug
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New Kei(Hello Worker) after basically a decade without a vocaloid song. MikuLuka version of their project sekai commission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l45Dz5wzh8
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New TOKOTOKO
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45969567
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Apparently Nununu's vocacolle entry isn't actually the full thing and was just a version he wanted put out in time for vocacolle. The full version will be out at a later date
https://x.com/N____________u/status/2025155613899329889
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remix of that one isonosuke song
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45969045
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>>50695411
Luka still sounds like a downgrade
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>>50695411
my prayers have been answered
maybe kei will make some more songs
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Holy kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqG7tQeW06o
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which teto?
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https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45961898
Sohbana deserves to win
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45974457
Also matryoshka remix by Iyowa
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Vivia
https://youtu.be/G1pEAsYnWlQ
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黙ってメタルをやれって言ってんの!- 巡音ルカ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLTCz51BVpk

>>50695411
My wife and her gf still sound so beautiful together~
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>>50695859
Cuck
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>>50694987
It's literally just tourists.
>the songs are just worse in general and sound uncanny as fuck.
This used to be general consensus in past. If you asked about western producers here before zaako and influx of zoomers, people were saying that yea CrusherP is fine or KIRA has some cool songs and that's about it.
Now you got few zoomers here obsessed with identity politics and social media, posting drama this tranny that, constantly sharing things they supposedly hate but still screencaping comments from some other kids because they said something you disagree with.
For normal vocaloid fan, it's just whateverP and you either like the music, listen and share it, or you don't like and ignore it. But for secondaries music is secondary, what matters the most is the political message, whatever did they cut their dick off and what other people say about it on social media.
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Sheeno Mirin - Harmony
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45973617
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>Jamie Paige makes yet another song about being a weepy tranny
when will it end
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>>50696073
Who are you quoting?
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>>50696075
Trying to pull this shit at this point is like the immune system triggering an allergic reaction and killing the host because they ate a peanut. You're trying to protect an organ that's vestigial and long gone.
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>>50696075
faggot
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>>50682323
>>50692957
>>50696075
Greentext as general commentary on a situation rather than a direct quote or comedic misquote has been a thing here since before the election tourists showed up. It's a pseudo-shibboleth like "reddit spacing" (also a thing people did here before election tourists showed up and people desperately tried to cling to a way to tell the newfags and retarded oldfags apart). Caring about it at this point just outs you as either an "enlightened" newfag RPing a an oldfag or a bitter anon who can't accept shit has changed in the past two decades.
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>>50696075
Don't upset the tourists please
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>>50696103
Look at all the tourist seething. I would say it is very worth it.
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>>50696073
>neru made another song about being a nihilistic faggot
>deco made another song about his relationship drama
>iyowa made another bad song
once you realize every vocaloP has a gimmick stuff like this stops being an issue y'know
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>>50696110
See as a PinnochioP dickrider I am well aware of the one trick pony issues producers have, but it's more the fact that Paige doesn't really deviate in an interesting way whatsoever. At least Deco explores different kinds of relationships.
That being said part of my annoyance with Paige is performing at all these events and wearing a wife beater with visible sweat stains and shitty hair. It's simply uncouth.
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>>50696120
>more the fact that Paige doesn't really deviate in an interesting way whatsoever
Then stop listening to him?
If you don't like his music just don't listen to it. What's the problem?
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>>50696128
So I shouldn't ever step out of my comfort zone nor should I comment on shit I usually don't listen to?
What a boring way to live.
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>>50696131
its less that but moreso if a producer is stuck in a pattern just wait a bit before checking out their new stuff
i put down pinnochioP for a while when he kept making the same song back to back
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>>50696137
Well I probably will. That's why I'm saying something about it. I just expected better things after I was impressed by Machine Love being one of the better parts of the new crop of english producers.
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>>50696131
>I shouldn't ever step out of my comfort zone nor should I comment on shit I usually don't listen to?
Why are you getting angry, newfag?
I just said that you don't have to listen to producers you don't like. There are thousands of various producers, just choose the ones that make music you actually like.
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>>50696150
I'm not angry. I just think it's a very dumb mindset to have, especially about music.
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>>50696158
>I'm not angry
Your tone and strawmanning says something very different.

>I just think it's a very dumb mindset to have, especially about music.
Then you must be very new to Vocaloid music.
Like I said there thousands of different producers, making all sorts of music. The beauty of this scene is that everyone can find something for themselves. You don't like Paige? Cool, do more research and find some producer who makes music you actually will like. No one is forcing you to listen to music you don't like. For example I don't like Paige so I don't listen to him. Instead I listen to and discuss producers I actually like.
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>>50696177
But I did say I liked some things Paige had done. Don't give me this "vocaloid has something for everyone!" spiel like I wasn't listening to okay, green is the enemy on my ipod on the schoolbus.
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>>50696188
>Don't give me this "vocaloid has something for everyone!" spiel
If you disagree then this music is not for you.
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>>50696219
Way to miss his point retard
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>>50696266
Yes, his point is that he has to listen to popular western producers and he has to proceed to get annoyed at them because otherwise he would have "dumb mindset".
Way to miss the point of vocaloid music.
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>>50696110
all more likable things than Paige
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Hourly Aggregated Ranking
1. Tokyo Manaka - "Brainrot" >>50695102
2. "Harmony" - Hatsune Miku / by Shiino Mirin >>50695906
3. Hatsune Miku - "Ko Ko Ko Ko Ko Ko…" / by Sohbana
4. "Delos Santos" / Kasane Teto SV / by Yamamoto
5. "Forward!" feat. Miyamai Moka, Ryo… / by OSTER project
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I'm feeling old
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>>50696337
Nah I think both Deco and Paige suck but Paige is better than modern Deco sometimes when FF forces them to make a new melody and not use Teto.
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>>50696108
Attempting to ragebait tourists shows insecurity and degrades the quality of the thread more than tolerating them
Whiners ought to gtfo
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>>50696367
how did the boring song about a specific baseball player hit #1, lol. this better end up falling
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it took transgender len for western vocaloid fans to realize you can use these things as whatever you want and that they're not a specific character.
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If you wondering why 4chan has lack of posters lately. This is the reason why
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>>50696977
what is this and what does it have to do with this thread
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rin tummy
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>>50696977
never happens to me on desktop. if this filters mobilefags then it's ok
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>>50697077
I exclusively browse 4chan on my phone and have never seen that before.
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>>50696894
>Attempting to ragebait tourists shows insecurity and degrades the quality of the thread more than tolerating them
I would say what you are doing is degrading it more than that.
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>>50697159
I acknowledge im feeding into it by criticizing these retards but they ought to know. Or we can just go on like this and have to read a pointless flamewar every 20 messages
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you guys could always listen to and post songs from the event happening right now
https://vocaloid-collection.jp/ranking/top100/
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>>50697185
sorry to tell you this, the tranny song people are arguing about is featured in the vocacolle exhibition, so the people complaining about it are posting songs from the event...
https://vocaloid-collection.jp/exhibition/
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>>50696908
the producer for this song won the last vocacolle to. their stuff just happens to be what the japanese fans laugh at. remixes of his other vocacolle songs are also taking up top spots in the remix portion
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>>50697185
I like this Teto/Chis-A song that came out recently
Chis-A is slowly starting to grow on me
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45962260
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>>50697211
Nice, I do like the Chis-A voice. This may be obvious, but from what I can tell, あの子=Miku, and the song is about wanting to be as big as Miku, fearing about not even getting a "登場シーン" (entrance scene = big debut), but understanding they'll never live up to it, and still being happy anyways
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Sex with Eleanor Forte
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>>50697255
I wish
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>>50696977
Doesn't happen for me. Guess I haven blocked them, whatever that is
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https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45968252
vocacolle rookie entry by kurage(unnamed_155) fka Nirami fka Nejimaki (etc.), so technically it shouldn't be in the rookie category.
Unfortunately once again I really like the arrangement but the person behind it is annoying.
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>>50697171
It's not just about feeding into it. By being all apologetic and tolerant you encourage them to continue doing so. This is how hobbies degrade, this is why much of 4chan became inhabitable. Instead of gatekeeping and proceeding to do business as usual you go out of your way to make sure poor tourist feel comfortable in the place they are actively making worse. The alternative is not flamewar either(which is what you are starting in the first place). Just have some standards, make sure they are evident and don't let them get to you. You can do all of that without pointless back and forth.
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>>50696908
yamamoto is really popular on nnd
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>>50697361
You misunderstood my reply. I was criticizing an anon for baiting tourists into flamewars.
Then someone argued that my criticism of such behaviour is degrading the thread more than baiting tourists into flamewars.
I disagreed, recently flamewars seem to be the number one thing that consistently plagues these threads.

I have nowhere mentioned having to pander to tourists at all. I'm advocating to stop whining over any little thing a tourist might say that bothers you. This clearly spirals into these flamewars over and over again as demonstrated. If you are bothered so much by someone you perceive to be a tourist, just don't engage or atleast criticize respectfully instead of subjecting the entire thread to another stupid temper tantrum.

And to be clear no flamewar in this thread was started by me, so I'm not sure who you perceive you're replying to. Unless you're counting this as one.
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>>50694931
>If this turns you into a tranny then something else would have
yeah, it's called getting molested as a kid and never going outside. it's a tragedy, really, but only a dysfunctional society would treat it as something to be romanticized.
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>>50696128

>>50694654
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>>50682637
>>50682637
>Also "westoids" is a free give away. This term is used exclusively by tourists.

I admittedly don't interact with these sorts of spaces all that much, so I probably seem retarded and uninformed--but aren't most of the people hating on westerners westerners themselves? Not even necessarily talking about that anon, but it seems a lot of westerners hate on westerners. Is it more so against the mentality and ideals of a westerner, rather than the state of actually being one? That would make more sense.
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>>50697399
Tourist from /pol/
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guys my miku is horny again what should i do?
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>>50697211
>>50697248
check out Adakasu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDmT2fZMzS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Umbrb6JPtMw
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>>50697557
i like the goodbye scenery one
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>>50697427
It doesn't matter what is the political message in his songs. If you don't like the music, just listen to other producers. You do not have to listen to his music. You don't even have to listen to any western producers. For example I only really listen to Robo out of western scene.
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>>50697627
I didn't know Robo was western
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>>50697640
He is from Italy. Most of his songs are in English too.
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>>50697627
>>50697643
English producers that aren't American are usually pretty good. I like ippo.tsk from Indonesia and YZYX from Chile but the latter stopped making music years ago.
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>>50697366
This song is about a Dominican baseball player named "De Los Santos" who went to Japan. I looked for him and all I could find was this guy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_de_los_Santos_(first_baseman)
It sounds like he was hyped up in Taiwan, then came to Japan, played horribly and was released after 1 season of play. Maybe it's making fun of him. I dunno, I guess I just don't have enough cultural context and Japanese ability to appreciate the song. (Song is #4 in this post >>50696379)
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>>50697649
ippo.tsk is so good! Always happy to see them being mentioned
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>>50697376
I am that anon and I wasn't baiting them into flamewars. Evidently no flamewar happened despite the criticism, and the only person who made me reply was you. The only thing the thread has to suffer with is me having to explain the situation to you.
>Unless you're counting this as one.
In a tongue in cheek way.
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>>50697627
oh yeah let's do fucking nothing and let the western tranny propaganda spread throughout japan, therefore we will see japanese people doing genital surgery on themselves that will fatally ruin their life forever adding to the 42% knowing japan already has a concerning amount of suicides per year
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>>50697717
what the fuck are you on about? are you solving the problem? how does this relate to the thread?
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>>50697717
>implying japan hasnt always been a haven of degeneracy
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>>50697717
you think the country full of crossdressing faggots who cant shit out babies to save their population is above degeneracy? they have fashion subcultures based around the clothes their homeless child prostitutes wear, dude. some overseas vocaloid producer making waves isn't really shaking the mold here
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say all yall want, but it's not my fault for them letting in tranny parasites into the scene and then letting those parasites project all their propaganda into the characters who solely exist to sing.
nobody is stopping em so they'll keep on spreading, might as well just watch the massacre of japan getting colonized by the mentally ill hypocrites yet again with their moralfagging bullshit all while glorifying sodomy
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>>50697743
can you go to /pol/ with this shit please, nobody gives a fuck dude
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you lot are acting all so fucking pointlessly cringe and retarded i honestly confused this tab for a /v/ thread earlier today
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The 2024 boom has done irreparable damage to these threads
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Please stop fighting
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Hello Jamie Paige
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cuntboy len
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>song about being a tranny
>has to mention suicide
kek, I mean, at least they're aware
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Expo dates announced who's in?
>>50697466
Spray with water bottle
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hioka q&a at some different board just ended
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>>50697970
No one cares, fag
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>>50697979
ok neru hater
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>>50697982
Fanloids are worse than wholoids who can only leech Miku because they have no voice lol
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>>50697982
I want to fuck neru
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>>50697997
>AIslop
Show this to Hioka, see what he thinks
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>>50698006
Not AI and also he doesn't give a shit
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>>50697812
chowayo chowayo
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>>50698010
Those are condom sacks, how would Hioka react to this
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Unrelated to Hioka but is Caffein, the creator of Haku, an actual female or just a very girly dude?
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>>50698010
Uoghh Neru let's make a baby! *splurt* *splurt* *SPLURT*
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>>50698092
I'm willing to bet that its an old lady
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>>50694987
>poppier stuff like deco in the west with the same quality
Sawtowne
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>>50681882
a
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>>50696462
https://youtu.be/X-7FuRFjbJo
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>>50698741
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45969798
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>>
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Teto still Sexo.
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>>50694977
Me too kid, me too
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>>50689594
Why is it just noise
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>>50699304
Noise of wholoids crying out in pain
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>>50698444
>voisona
bleh
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New keeno
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BTsrA2SRqhk
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>>50699806
better later than never I guess
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrcL1Z6Feo
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>>50698144
Sawtowne sounds nothing like deco what are you talking about?
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>>50700075
Sorry, thought you meant J-Pop/upbeat music in general.
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>>50699321
flower is projected to have more views than teto in 2026
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>>50700284
meiko is projected to have more views than miku in 2026
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Sanpu-chan collection
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>>50700075
That's a good thing, Deco is fucking dogshit.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQPFxZw8QGw
Forgotten but not gone.
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>>50700284
>>50700291
Lay off the copium bros
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OSTER project with the new SV Choir
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45957440
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>>50699806
Kino, I wish he's use IA again
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miku
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45965313
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45948321 this one has animation by generalcanon (lemon melon cookie guy)
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45970154

miyamai moca
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm45952228
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https://youtu.be/Oxabq9Rsxqg?si=WXtESqUFj3vjr2cI
Great song
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vocacolle winner and it's about some baseball dude lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FuMvK7oOps
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Sex with Kaai Yuki
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>>50702040
Yamamoto took over this vocacolle >>50700294
Also the song is hilarious and i barely know about mbl and nippon baseball
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>>50702209
Yuki, you are a child. I don't want to make a baby with you.
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>>50698908
One of my fav songs of the past year
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Toripiyo ft. Meika Hime
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFjqMVtAo9g

Asyu ft. Adachi Rei
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZw44cjvfWE
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>>50702243
what if she begs for it?
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>>50700697
>https://youtu.be/v62LR68bTbI
Good stuff
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>>50697655
im not 100% sure but think the song is about this player
https://x.com/carp_buun/status/1848143705708142923?s=20
Or it could be an original character
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https://x.com/daily_gadget_jp/status/2025819544196092077
https://daily-gadget.net/audio/108760/
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>>50697944
I've never been to one but I am going 1000%.
How fast do these European tickets sell out? Should I buy the moment the ticket sales open?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXXR6MHlqx8
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>>50702528
No means no, condom sex only
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these bitches!!!
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zunda needs to watch her health but still wants ramen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWA1sX4oaCc
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Rin-chan NOW
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new TAK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIuQ_us5W4Y
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>>50704174
Good song noda
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I dislike Vocaloid.
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>>50704301
Thank you for your opinion
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I dislike CeVIO.
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Teniwoha - Onomatopoeia Angel (Teto SV)
https://youtu.be/jsUyP22q-SU
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fin rearranged his most popular song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USdySIvNshY
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VocaColle
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so addicting, can't stop listening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFF-vZJ-sKs
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>>50704881
>Una +19
>Yuki +3
Lolicons won
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>>50704301
post V4 I'm not surprised
since V6 it's just like any of the other AI based competitors
it's all generic, no identity, slop
>>
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>>50705118
I can't hate V6 because it gave us Nurse Robot AI
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Remember that every country west of Japan is a western country.
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>>50704702
Teniwoha is truly a god among men
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>>50706428
Every country is also east of Japan, checkmate, flat earthers.
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>>50706428
Japan is west of the USA
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>>50702209
That's my wife
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>>50706810
>Una
Cuck
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>>50706810
>That's my wife
Fitting she has a boyfriend
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namigroove ZundaRin duet tomorrow(project sekai commission)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb6iBq0zNZg
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Which of these unlikely scenarios is most likely?
1. Hachi abandoning his solo career and becoming a VOCALOID producer
2. IA becoming relevant again
3. Una replacing Miku as the face of VOCALOID
4. New Kaai Yuki voicebank
5. Wowaka and Samfree coming back to life
6. DECO*27 using GUMI again
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>>50707280
In order:
IA > Yuki > Una > Hachi >Wowaka > Deco
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>>50707292
>t. IAfag
If they keep doing what they just did with her that doesn't have a chance in hell of happening kek
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>>50707352
The point is that all these scenarios are unlikely, this is just the most likely one compared to all of these.
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>>50707352
It hurts.
Btw that's not me, my list would be:
Yuki > Deco > IA > Hachi > Una > Wowaka
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>>50707280
4 obviously
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>>50704203
Finally some non teto slop
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>>50707280
1. Because Kenshi Yonezu had become Elton John of Japan. Hes more popular than Utada Hikaru now

3. Unlikely because Miku too big to get down

6. Because Deco want to fuck Miku

5. AI WOWAKA and SAMFREE = 2.

4. I can see it at least before 2030
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>>50707280
you forgot 7. a new diva game being announced in March
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>>50708209
So you're saying Hachi has the most chance because he's big? Imo that's exactly why he will never return to vocaloid permanently. No fucking way he's going to abandon it all. I'm confused by your post.
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>>50709053
1 least. 6 most
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I hate what 1st Place has done with her over the years. It's not fair, bros.
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I bought this flower keychain for my F-Sport
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>>50709314
Ponytailed flower is sex and I'm tired of pretending it's the inferior design
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the zundarin version of namigroove's project sekai song uses the same music video but replaces the sekai characters with the different zundas, which is cute. even makes the focus of the song sakuradamon because she's pink like emu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eb6iBq0zNZg
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>>50709315
Both flowers are aggressive bisexual bpd nympho sluts
V3 flower and ci flower are femme and V4 flower is butch. All are LGD
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>>50709797
Go back to twitter, kid
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>>50709797
Is IA the same?
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>>50709797
based
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>>50709314
Very nice
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>>50709806
I've been here for years and agree with him actually
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Life is a series of choices
https://youtu.be/xym6yLUncNY
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>>50711077
It's a really good song
>>50690048
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https://x.com/spring_asagi/status/2026990628727353438

>>50711088
I am finally starting to receive songs in TL
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>>50711107
I feel like I'm constantly fighting my Twitter, and even moreso my Youtube, to show me what I actually want to see. It's kind of doubly hard on YouTube, since I just browse music and videos on the same account. The new release tab on YouTube Music can be decent, but it struggles with Vocaloid, since a lot of those songs are posted as videos before being uploaded to music distribution platforms.
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>>50711119
In my experience, the only tangible effects are obtained by liking stuff. Even if you don't really like it. You are telling the algorithm to show you more stuff like that. Ever since the likes on twitter became private I stopped liking only stuff that I really like and I simply use it as a tool to govern the algorithm
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>>50711132
I've been practicing the same on Twitter, but I'm really struggling with the homepage of YouTube now. I swear it's gotten worse over the past year. It shows me lots of old and irrelevant videos. I don't use the Like videos function, because when you like a song, it automatically goes into a playlist "Liked Music" which I use to bookmark and go back to things, and for that reason often it doesn't even have my absolute favorite artists, since I'll key those in manually.
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i just clear my watch history, watch a couple of MMDs, stuff with miku in it, then pause the watch history. the front page becomes permanently miku. you won't see much new content, and your liked playlist will still poison it, so delete everything you don't actually want to see out of your liked. blocktube is still very much a necessity in current year and that won't be changing any time soon.

for twatter i genuinely hate that platform and don't use it. i've followed so many japanese artists over the years that exclusively speak in japanese so i can't read anything they're saying and clicking in to the tweet to hit the translate button over and over is just too time-consuming and strange behavior to me. you can also set the platform to a language you can't read to permanently get rid of the awful trending tags that are always on the right.

there definitely comes a point where you have to step away from these platforms. they're mentally exhausting and don't respect you or your time.
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Twitter auto-translates now btw. And it doesn't really take me a lot of time to fix the algorithm. I just change it to "Following" view and like what I see there.
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Are the VIP tickets for the Expo worth it?
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>>50709797
Very Project Sekai-coded post, congrats.
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>>50711692
I play Proseka but I could only understand half of that post
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>>50711698
That's the problem. I don't play Proseka and I couldn't understand a single thing in that post.
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Proseka zoomers don't even know who flower is lmao
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>>50711741
flower = vocaloid vocal synth
aggressive = adjective meaning they go crazy
bisexual = attracted to females and males
bpd/bpdemon = bipolar disorder: "This mental health condition causes extreme mood swings that include emotional highs, called mania, and lows, known as depression."
nympho = nymphomaniac, a woman who seeks sex constantly
slut = a woman who has sex with everybody
v3, v4 flower = versions of vocaloid flower
ci flower = Cevio launched an ai assisted vocal synth based on flower, that kinda sounds like flower and kinda looks like flower, but is its own thing called ci flower
femme = lesbian woman that is feminine
butch = lesbian woman that is masculine
LGD = Lesbians getting dicked
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>One week later
>Not even close to a million
I think it's safe to say the wholoid medley was a flop and they will continue to be forgotten in favor of MikuTeto.
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>>50711993
Cant believe that Azari sounds much better and its still slop and that also hasn't reached 1 mil and thats teto
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>>50711993
That's because the song wasn't that great though, not cuz of the synths used
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>>50711979
I think bpd is supposed to refer to borderline personality disorder. It's like autism but for women.
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>>50712034
Garbage MikuTeto slop songs still get more views anyhow. The 100 million Mesmerizer clones aren't any better.
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>>50712045
whatever it is Im scared of them
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>>50712046
Yeah, that's why it's gonna take something good to topple the meta
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https://youtu.be/733OcXCTeE8
Upcoming wyiroha song with len sounds like pure ass, I love it
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>>50712034
The synths used absolutely matter. If it was a solo MikuTeto slop song it would have done better.
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Like who the hell knows about Whomi, ai-ay, mushroom, and Kafwho nowadays?
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>>50712073
No indication of this being the case, it had both Miku and Teto, it just wasn't a good song. Theres plenty of MikuTeto that doesn't get popular
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>>50712083
If it had the yellow one this song would have blown up
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>>50712091
Possible, if it was missing Teto or Miku it wouldn't even have gotten the recognition it did, but the point is that if you want to shake up the meta you won't be able to do it without a good song
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>>50712034
32ki is a one hit wonder
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>>50712109
Just like the wholoids used in the song lol
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cute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w44WoaDCFJQ
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>>50712150
MikuTetoslop
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>>50712172
it's cute tho
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WTF I love Una
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=IKMhPisBhSM
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>>50712172
>slop
is that AI generated?
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>>50712297
It might as well be one, wouldn't make it any worse
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new Project Voltage song by Omoi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNw89sQOKas
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https://x.com/McDonaldsJapan/status/2026862284128035005?s=20
SEX with this gif
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>>50712729
Nice ears
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>>50711993
But the wholoids are cute though
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New 32ki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygl8thTD3gk
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>>50702954
Extremely cute MV
Why are we up to 4 captcha puzzles now. This is ridiculous.
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>>50714322
don't delete your cookies. the longer the age the lower the difficulty. after 2 weeks it's lowered to 2 challenges, after a month it's lowered to a single challenge. I didn't bother checking but if I remember correctly after a week you stop getting horizontal challenges
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Wholoid
Slop
Mikutetoslop
Flop
Teto
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Whomi
Ai Ei
Mushroom
Kafwho
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Whona
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https://x.com/shaddai_68/status/2003496081259388996
Cursed af
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lYESBDEGGQ
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Yuzy & Toa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEdjX68DfkE
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>>50715175
Luka should be fucking Miku, while IA should be fucking Yukari
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Where Love Now Lies
https://youtu.be/nyKdO84w46M
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https://youtu.be/DuumRYs0n44
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>>50702989
I don't understand what that is. Is this is a normal music player? It looks like you have to send audio to this device, but then what's the point of this all. Like what's the difference to just listen from your phone?
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>>50717336
Looks like a portable DAC
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>>50717336
it's a DAC (basically a small audio amplifier), in essence it drives your headphones with a cleaner audio signal than what your phone can
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I found a nice Rin song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YRB-_KfTYc
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>>50702989
M500 has cooler design imo
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>>50718465
>>50718465
>>50718465
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This thread still has plenty of life
https://youtu.be/ipjOLvZ3hlw
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https://youtu.be/SKR-IQDmJzo

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