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inb4 it goes back to the shop

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offered 1400 and it was accepted but still a bit hesitant

>>64883658
That’s not a staccato, it’s a STI

1400 is not bad, I don’t know what you’ll expect. If any issues just try brand new mags, a lot of the improvements in 2011s (they existed since the 1990s) is the magazines

>>64883673
>1400 is not bad,

yeah. unfortunately shipping and tax and FFL puts it at 1600 out the door.

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>several rounds of 9x19
>survived
Many such cases!

>>64883682
well yeah dude all those shots were abdominal and the guy probly got to the ER within 20 minutes.

>>64883681
If it makes you feel any better one time a seller didn’t charge me tax and so when it came to my FFL I had to pay 550 dollars in state taxes

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>>64883658
That hex pattern is pretty cool.
Speaking of unique milling, check out the weird milling on this Israeli import that's on sarco atm.

>>64883682
I dunno he seemed to go down

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Is this a VP9? I'm not familiar with many models that have striker indicators

>>64883689
>shots were abdominal
What's the point of issuing pistol optics if these fools aren't doing better than C-zone strikes!

>>64883744
Because he was dissuaded by pain. There's videos of perpetrators who get right back up and continue the assault. There are men who feel nothing, fear nothing!

>>64883783
My guy people take rifle shots and still are in the fight. Stop.

>>64883783
>is this the vp9
Looks like it to me unless it’s some Turkshit thing that copied it.

>Throw away the case
>Forces to sell “used” gun for less
>If they even sell at all
>heh that’ll teach ‘em, buy new poorfags

>>64883822
Sounds like some broke bum is mad his used lcr came in a paper bag.

>>64883783
>>64883682
>kills zigger in ukraine
>kills faggots in the states
HK VP9

>>64883827
I only buy HKs and Berettas.

>>64883833
Theyre not that expensive new

>>64883830
Kind of want a vp9k now desu.
Any video evidence of this?

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I just got my Model 69. The trigger felt a lot lighter than what reviews said, maybe 12 lbs. It feels amazing in the hand
>clean it
In the car, when I get home. I have a .44 after 5 years of wanting one

>>64883830
>kill
Mohammad survived and will now waste millions more of tax payer money after he lured two cops with a false 911 call to get close to them and try to stab them to death.

>>64883845
Lolberts keep calling us fascists when we do anything about it

>>64883845
Even better, the faggot now suffers because his faith couldn't beat german engineering. Now his soul will forever stay far away from his God for failing as he did

>>64883851
There’s no such thing as a borders, rule of law, a nation, or age of consent (but everyone I don’t like is a pedo)
>t. average lolbert

But liberals did this one, it’s Seattle and nobody is talking about a Muslim trying to stab cops to death due to the current political climate. Maybe I should join the police if I lose my job for shitposting on 4channel all day, I bet I could do better

>>64883861
Ive left a few comments under loli avatar posts crying about muh pedos. Im getting sick of lolberts trying to be the good pedos for democrats.

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>>64883856
If they had used proud American engineering and .45 caliber handguns I bet he’d be dead

>>64883871
If he had a 45, then after shooting a bullet it would have torn a hole in time and hit some Japanese guy in 1944.

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>>64883805
Imagine a PD issuing Turk slop!

>>64883800
>theatres of war
That's different because the proliferation of rifle plates. Otherwise, ordinary AR-15's devastate perpetrators the way no pistol does

>>64883833
Post your HKs and Berettas.

>>64883895
Dont mix statistics with anecdotes like what the FUCK is your point now?

>>64883653
Burt, what is a good 22 to buy for plinking other than the TX-22, I don't like the way it looks.

>>64883947
Ruger Wrangler if you tolerate a revolver

>>64883947
Get a Mark IV.

>>64883947
The default answer is a Mark IV but 10 rounds cuckpacity in the year of our Lord.

I can't really recommend anything else. Everything's got something potentially intolerant or faulty or unworthy. P322 apparently is unreliable. S&W M&P 2&2X mags seem to be a problem (pic related, waiting for S&W response). Walthers are Umarex which is okay but not great. Buckmarks idunno. S&W Victory, again 10 rounds

The TX22 is the ONLY one I can comfortably say to get, and they have problems too (idk if they have stopped putting out crap barrels) but once fixed or if you get a good one out of the gate they're so great

>>64883947
Kel-Tec P17, Ruger MkIV Standard or 22/45, Taurus TX22, nothing else new-on-the-shelf is worth your money. People may tell you to buy an Umarex Walther P22, that's the disease in them trying to spread to new victims, do not engage with these people.

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>>64883900
>what the FUCK is your point
I'm just lamenting that I don't have enough hatred in my heart to be dangerous as a round of 77gr OTM with a suppressed Mk18 Mod 1– at least not yet

I have a 92fs with a fuck huge compensator my buddy sold me but it threads onto the barrel and is held on with a shitty set screw. Should l just rocksett that sucker on there or what?

>>64883978
>idk if they have stopped putting out crap barrels
I'm sad to report that they have not. The way they make the TX22 barrels is bad, that's all there is to it. They're button-rifled, which is fine, but Taurus is pulling a dirty Saturday-Night-Special trick to save cash. They start with stock that's way too thin to be button rifled, which gets supported in a jig of sleeves to support the length while the rifling button is driven. This is something that gunsmifs get away with on DIY stuff because they take the time to do it right and they don't keep the rejects. Doing it this way at a production level saves on stock and machine time in exchange for there being one guy whose job it is to slap a barrel in the jig for rifling, and he doesn't get it quite right every time, and the jigs wears out, and the rifling buttons wear quickly, and they end up with a shit-tier hit rate of wavy, chattered, misaligned or otherwise shitty barrels. Fuck you very much, Taurus.

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>>64883978
Edited picture with more information

>>64883998
Huh. How did you cum to know this?

>>64883997
It's only 9mm, take that shit off

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>>64883783
>Is this a VP9?
Yep, VP9 Stacies stay slaying~

>>64884001
Nah it looks fucking cool and it deletes recoil. WHEN I CAN GET IT TO STAY ON.

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>>64883997
Rocksett is only as tight as the torque you put on, a bit of red locktite (not a lot) will hold it and still be able to come off with heat and some torque

Is it a Jarvis comp?

I have bought four used firearms and all of them have all the shit that comes with it if I had bought them new. Stop settling for less

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>>64884000
Experience and passion for shitty guns. Taurus states openly that they button-rifle the TX22 barrels. The problems I see with TX22 barrels are exactly what I expect from button-rifling at with stock that's too thin, and soft worn-out rifling buttons. I'm willing to bet they start with square stock that's nearly the right dimension to begin with, certainly saves a lot of machine time and it's easier to jig and support square-stock for button rifling. If they started with a piece that was more like 3/4" or 1" they wouldn't need the support jig and they could push the button as a normal machine operation as part of the cutting process, but that means higher material cost, more material to remove, more machine time, more tool wear, and if they don't have good CNC good programmers and the right machines then doing full CNC button rifling is a headache, big setup costs. If they aren't doing this, if they're really starting out thicker and button-rifling them the "right" way, then I don't know how they could get these results. Picture shows issues with jig alignment and mishaps from dull buttons.

>>64884005
>deletes recoil
Also deletes ear drums

>>64884003
Most definitely

>>64884010
It looks similar. Blue loctite held it for like 8 mags. I'll post pictures when l get home. I cant really torque it down. Do l need to get washers to shim it or something?

>>64884033
Just wear ear pro

>>64884040
checked

>>64884038
>Do l need to get washers to shim it
Typically yes, depends on comp, some designs are fucked up.

>>64884038
You can get washers, PMM makes a copy of the Jarvis comp but made for washers. You’ll have to buy like 4 sets of PMM washers to time it properly, I know this because I did this.

The alternative is to carefully file a flat on the threaded barrel so the set screw actually has something to hold to. It does not work without a flat.

>>64884032
Commercial operations pull the button, not push.
The defects you're seeing in those barrels is reamer chatter. They're using dull reamers and not lapping the barrel smooth before rifling.

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>>64884032
How does Walther and such do it with these pencil thin sleeved barrels? They're significantly thinner even than TX22 barrels and surely they're not starting with 1" blanks and turning away 95% of material

Walthers aren't $200 but they're not THAT much more, and have to go on a boat and pay taxes and import and port fees

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>>64884065
They might start out thick, I don't remember that part near chamber to be a different piece from the rest of the barrel.

Has anyone shot a gen 6 17 or 45 who also fired their gen 5 equivalents? I'm hearing the gen 6 45s feel close to the gen 5 47s.

>>64884033
Its 9mm my guy lots of people shoot with nothing on the barrel and its fine. Not like with rifles where having no muzzle device is a bad idea indoors.

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I cleaned it and snuck a cylinder of .44 Special because residential area. I did shoot one Hornady 240 grain Magnum through it and that was a lot of fun. I expected it to hurt a little, but it didn't

>>64884180
n word behavior

>>64884199
White trash. I live in an island of trailer home neighborhood in the sticks. Nobody cares if you don't go on and on

>>64884103
my boy, its just a stippled glock.

Probably feels like a shadow system or even RXM if you are daring

I'm thankful that so long as I drive north a bit I can just walk into the woods and shoot. For handguns though my local indoor ranges are 10 or 20/30 minutes away for all 3 and they're bearable, especially because one of them is run by Sig.

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>>64884180
How heavy is it?
I find myself wanting a handnuke

>>64884210
>they're bearable
>when he means to say unbearable
typical low IQ sig hater, never been an original thought in their head

>>64884214
Feels hefty but far from intolerable. It's about the same as a Glock 17 with a full mag, reflex sight, and light

>>64884216
Come again? I think you crossed some wires in your head when you posted that. The Sig indoor range is really nice since they can afford actual air circulation systems that can handle full auto rifle fire.

>>64884216
Is a 450$ trade in p239 worth it?
I’m looking for a Makarov spiritual successor

>>64883996
The standard combat draw and fire even from concealment is so much faster to come out and put rounds on target than sport shooting. It's two different worlds. This makes the point very well. Even a high level sport shooter using the competition draw and fire is slower to put rounds on target than the average guntube operator using a combat draw.

>>64884224
are they rare or something? that's pretty expensive. I'd get the P320 RXP trade in on AIM or just get a P365

>>64884224
If your name is ppanon than it is absolutely worth it.

>>64884172
>>64884227
I understand

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>>64883629
Hello hello

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I got the thing

Here is the beretta in question

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>>64884405
Fuck forgot picture

>>64884408
looks like shit even without the
>READ MANUAL FOR SAFE USE
berettafags keep losing

>>64884408
Ooh, that looks like a Jarvis but custom made. The only other people that do flat (not bull nose) is Mountain customs but I could never figure out how to order from them.

Barrel looks .575-40 threaded or similar since it’s not the standard 1/2-28 threaded length.

PMM shims will work. You probably don’t need 4 sets like I do to time on a 1/2-28 barrel.

>>64884419
Right on man thank you

>>64884432
Actually, PMM shims are made for 1/2-28 size, the might not be big enough to slide into .575 threads. If I remember when I get home I’ll measure the ID of a PMM shim

Otherwise they won’t slide on. I don’t know where you’ll be able to get other shims

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>>64884237
>get the P320 RXP
Are you trying to get my balls shot off? I’d only get it once it’s 100$ and retrofit it with the aftermarket safety kit as a project gun.
Also I need something Makarov sized. A full sized/compact 9 is too big.
>>64884274
And you genuinely mean it and aren’t trust tricking me into something that’ll hurt, right?

>>64884476
For you the smart option would be a 365 with a manual safety, the safety on the 365 physically makes the gun inert. You can get +2 capacity on 10 round flush or 12 round mags as well. Its also about 1 inch wide so basically the same width as most smaller pistols.

>>64884483
I guess
I have a preference for DA/SA but if I find a 365 for $300 with a safety, I guess.
It’s
It’d be used in a biathalon you run and then do marksman shots so idk if the trigger would hold back but whatever

>>64884526
There are like maybe three shooters in /hg/ that actually compete and the trigger would actually matter

>>64884483
>safety on the 365 physically makes the gun inert
Baka ass mofo, it's just a trigger blocker like every other striker firedanual safety gun on the market. Nobody makes sear or striker blocking safeties because they're almost as gay as the poster you replied to

>>64884526
Most strikers like the 365 may be mushy but their overall break is smooth, if you are fine with a revolver's DA pull you'll have no problem with a striker. When you're shooting at self defense distances a smooth trigger pull in a gun you can point is going to matter more than a quick wall break.

I want a Miroku Liberty Chief

Redpill me on them

>>64884180
this is a long shot, but how is the recoil compared to 329pd?

>>64883783
the real problem is that the cop was a leftie.

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>>64884591
DEXTARD COPE
SINISTER SOUTHPAW CHADS, WE UP

>>64884408
Did you take this picture in a steamed up bathroom?

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>>64883783
>There are men who feel nothing, fear nothing!
No, Anon these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of here

>>64884606
Do you not?

>>64884545
NTA but you're thinking of the 320, the manual safety on the 365 actually has a tab that blocks the striker

>>64884566
chiefs special, japan

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>>64884599
Clearly AI. Who do you think you're fooling, anon?

What's the best, cheapest 124gr 9mm for blinking?

isnt it weird how the p320 has been around for like 20 years but only in the last two years they've been going off?

>>64884651
They’re always been going off, they originally weren’t drop safe and the Army found out the hard way when someone dropped a loaded one

>>64884667
Also the reason why was something people figured out like over 100 years ago, don’t allow inertia to pull the trigger when dropped muzzle up

>>64884651
They have been going off for a long time but Sig has used American taxpayer money to engage in lawfare to keep it quiet

Awful company

>>64884646
Blazer. My LGS sells it for twelve bucks a box

>>64884651
the p320 has a light trigger with no safety dingus so idiots aren't careful with it and have shitty holsters for flashlights . Simple as.

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>>64884394
THE THING
SHOOT THE THING

Do you think the Arsenal Rideout Dragon could take something like 9mm Major?

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>>64883658
Nice hex pattern. I'm a fan.

>>64884711
Soon™

>>64884537
Biathalon like contests would make me competitive since most shooters are fat boys
>>64884545
Fuck
It has to be a gun I can sprint with and 320 style fire controls with no block don’t sound too good
>>64884547
The whole scheme was for a light weight red dot capable, small gun I could use in a biathalon.
And I never use DA for long range.

I could just take my PPK and boxes of 32
>>64884566
Mom is especially good with 38 jframe like guns. How could someone go wrong.

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>>64884545
>Nobody makes sear or striker blocking safeties because they're almost as gay as the poster you replied to
This Ends Today

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I found an Italian-made M9A3 with Langdon internals and a 508t on a Langdon plate locally with 3 mags for $1200. I am SO tempted. What do I do /k/?
>pic somewhat related

>>64884779
Aww, little squeak!

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>>64884779
wrong pic

>>64884779
You're not getting a barn burner of a deal but it is a sweet piece. Depends how flush with cash you are.

My personal rule is I never buy a used firearm unless I can get it under 75% MSRP

>>64884779
>>64884792
you're paying quite a bit for convenience.
For that price you could just buy a new gun and send it to langdon or just buy one directly from langdon.
You're basically settling for
-used
-chink optic
-nothing special 92 model in a shit color
but you get to have it now i guess.

It being in beretta's sandy brown is an instant dealbreaker for me unless, the vertec grip isnt helping either.

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>>64884779
Langdon internals ~ 170
Optic cut ~ 375
optic ~ 300
700 in after market
500 for the gun

not terrible

>>64883897
Remind me in 3 days when I get home

>>64884844
hmm, it has the Wilson Combat "Deluxe hammer" which I have no idea what it does versus the Elite II and isn't even an option anymore probably because it sucks

>>64884848
if its the "match" hammer that beretta sells it basically removes basically all the slop from the single action pull.
Knowing Wilson Combat, it could be absolutely nothing but a rebrand.

>>64884878
It’s an old part. Like back when Wilson Combat Berettas were new and the hottest shit. Back when Langdon worked for Wilson Combat as their Beretta advisor, so basically the same as stock or the elite II

>>64884825
Vertec grip is superior, Langdon thinks so, that’s why the new Elite II is a Vertec

I have never read the manual.

>>64884608
kek

>>64884792
This is a bit risky because it's definitely worth that much, if it's a good gun. Like, no malfunctions, acceptable accuracy, no weird shit. You usually don't get to test fire in these deals.

>>64883700
>well, I got mine!
long nose sellers

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>>64884651
>>64884671
Not only did it lack drop safety, there was no disconnector either so the P320 could be fired with the slide unlocked! When they updated the fire control with hundred-year-old technology, it was marketed as a "voluntary upgrade"

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Old box of federal on the right, new box on the left. I guess they've decided to downgrade their packaging.

>>64885222
I would rather they 50 round plain box

>>64885222
>380 JHP

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>>64885222
Make better choices.

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>>64885353
It's the best performing one though???

>>64885363
FMJ would penetrate deeper

>>64885365
Hmm idk dawg. Everywhere you look online, the consensus is that Hydra-Shok Deep is the best 380 round to carry.

>>64885368
Your chart shows it’s a terrible performing JHP penetrating 25 inches, FBI standards is 12-18 inches, anything more is over penetration and not desired. At .35-.360 it has virtually no expansion, making it little better than a FMJ.

>>64885370
I guess I should also point out that chart is the older 90 grain version. The 99 grain Hydra-Shok deep uses a redesigned conical post that is more reliable at initiating expansion through barriers. FMJ will zip right through someone and into a bystander. Hydra-Shok deep gives you the reliability of an FMJ through heavy clothing with the stopping power and safety of a hollow point.

>>64885363
90gr Hornady FTX Critical Defense

whoever said you can carry pocket carry a makarov never held a makarov in their life

>>64885222
The plastic boxes can't be flattened though. They're nice for a carry case but if you cycle through your carry ammo and buy in bulk the cardboard is simply more convenient. Personally If they'd charge even less for a plain cardboard box with black ink I'd buy that every time as these multi color glossy boxes and stickers actually do cost quite a bit.

>>64885502
most people who talk about pocket carry are grungy weirdos who wear dad jeans and big coats.

>>64885520
or sweat pants

>>64885520
It seems to be a power fantasy for those that don't want to carry a "normal" gun and want to download a personality from the internet. 99% of the "pocket carry" people I've encountered could have concealed a fullsize 9mm or hotter and have been better off.

>>64885529
I know this place is a freak show central but you're being really weird rn.

>>64885551
This post is weird I'm confused.

>>64885222
>>64885363
>buying .380 hollowpoints
They won't expand reliably anyway. Just buy FMJ or one of the screwdriver bit rounds.

>>64885370
do you even know what 12-18" of penetration means in that context?

>>64884711
Yesterday a silicon hose on a brand new bottle filler exploded directly into my eye with cleaner. It was a horrible night :3

>>64885649
Do you?

>>64885502
Who said that? I've never seen anyone suggest a Makarov PM is a pocket pistol. They're about as tall as a G19...

>>64885664
>not wearing your safety goggles when working with chemicals

t. ChemE

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>>64885502
>>64885520
>>64885717

>Makarov? That's a pocket pistol bro. I IWB carry a deagle.

>>64885664
Bro, eye pro is important on and off the firing range. I hope you're okay

>>64885529
The problem with all these hipster guns is there aren't too many reasons to carry them over more modern guns besides "I think it's cool". If thinking a gun is cool makes you carry it more AND you train AND you maintain it, then I'll allow it without reservations. But too many people's "I think this gun is cool" bleeds into "if I own it then I'm cool" which is rarely the case.

>>64885738
>But too many people's "I think this gun is cool" bleeds into "if I own it then I'm cool" which is rarely the case
Thats my main point too. I think everyone here can name at least one person here who operates by that logic.

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>>64885717
Was at home just unboxing a tiny chink machine, didnt expect it to bring that force on the table ;_;
>>64885738
Its my formulation so i know its not a problems for eyes but damn that doesnt mean you can see or do shit for hours. At 12pm i was able to see again and degrease steel samples that got hit by cleaner and oiled them again. Man sucks, but thats the deal when you work 2 jobs. Pic related after salt spray chamber, evaluating competition products for counter sales

>>64885649
12-18 inches in gel roughly translates to the ability to punch through a torso at most angles while losing most of its energy to minimize over penetration and danger to bystanders. This is optimal performance. Less penetration like 8-12 means you might not be able to penetrate and hit vital organs at certain angles. But depending on if you believe an expanding hollow point does more damage than round ball, it’s probably preferable than a FMJ going 25.

I would rather use expanding JHPs in the 10-12 range if I was a gay faggot who has a .380, I carry a .45 or double stack 9

I have a confession about my heresy, I carry 45 ball. 45 hollow points have the same exact issue as 380 - they move slowly and either don't expand, or cost a lot. 230 grain ball penetrates through ludicrous amount of flesh, and it's about the size of fully mushroomed 9mm hollow point.

>>64885909
> 45 hollow points have the same exact issue as 380 - they move slowly and either don't expand, or cost a lot
Uninformed

>>64885915
I specialized my ballistics research in the field of possible reasons 45 might shrink, and I found none.

>>64885754
Speaking of your cleaner, is that available for purchase or still in the trial phase? I'm running low on Hoppes and would rather grab yours instead. Also to have the set bonus for using your lube and gold guard too

>>64885909
I don't know shit about .45 since I recently got a Glock 21, which I run Federal HST in. But,
>slow
>HST 230gr muzzle velocity 890 fps
>230gr FMJ muzzle velocity 890 fps
huh

>>64885993
Its in production right now but it will take some time. Today i gonna use the filling machine to speed it up as hard as possible and than export. 50ml and 200ml

>>64886002
Subsonic is slow. Under 1000fps is very slow. Under 900 fps is extremely slow.
>muzzle velocity 890 fps
Yeah

>>64883629
who makes a good .45 1911 that doesnt cost 5 grand

>>64886012
>doesnt cost 5 grand
Any more specific? Is 3 grand ok? 2?

>>64886012
What features are you looking for?

>>64886012
Kimber truke incoming

>>64886016
Hate them for making a non-custom gun called custom by name since a long time ago, but yeah, they got good.

>>64886014
Dan Wesson, Kimber, or colt gold cup.

the best 1911 is the sig p220

>>64886021
Less than 1k for external extractor, optic cut, bob tail (carry cut), front serrations, in either stainless or black

>>64886032
I meant this is the Kimber Next Gen 1911 which I think is a great set of features at the price point

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>>64886030
>the best 1911 is the sig p220
Well, no. The P220 is the best in class single stack .45. That class is aluminum framed single stack .45s.
1911s will always have better potential than a P220. But there aren't shitty P220s out there.

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How good is an Inglis P35 compared to an FN Hi-Power? And would it be good for CC?

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>>64885664
Oh man. I bet you're glad you didn't listen to me and use MEK! No lasting eye damage I hope?

>>64886046
Fuck no

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>>64886046
>is [third party reproduction of full size all metal service pistol] good for concealed carry?

>>64886046
>Clone of a design already known to be finnicky
Its a range toy.

>>64886052
The formulation had to be free of MEK and similar solvents to prevent finish harm. You were right back than. No harm, the worst chemical inside is diluted and only got eye irritation warning which is pretty much the case for most chemicals IMAO. But the combination of that and high concentrated solvents is like getting spicy vodka in your eyes. Eye isnt red anymore and tomorrow i should feel anything. But i tested the machine, it takes 3s to fill a bottle :3

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>>64886046

Love mine, be aware the Turks underspring their guns. You can get a new springs kit from browning or Wilson combat for around 20 bucks, change the extractor spring and recoil spring and it shoots like a dream.

I carry a P01 though so I can't speak to what its like for cc.

>>64886101
>But i tested the machine, it takes 3s to fill a bottle :3
That's awesome

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An esteemed boomer who shoots 10mm informed me that buffalo bore is dogshit so my M&P is vindicated.

>>64886046
You do realize the Inglis of today is Turkish, right? It's not the Canadian Inglis of 80 years ago.

>>64886302
If the frame is the same as a .45 M&P, and one were to get a fully supported chamber on a .45 barrel and a 24lbs spring, could an M&P shoot .45 Super?

>>64886366
All .45 ACPs can shoot .45 Super, .45 Super was designed to convert a standard .45 1911 or other gun. You’d obviously need a stronger recoil spring.

>>64886302
I was thinking of getting some Buffalo Bore 9mm and .357 Magnum. Now that I have a revolver I want to see what it likes best

>>64886366
I don't have a M&P 45 but the 10mm is the same size as the 9mm. The length of pull on the grip is slightly longer for the mags. Looking at the internals I don't even think there is a difference with the trigger apart from the trigger bar.

The 10mm is less chunky than a Glock for sure. Said boomer claimed that the M&P 10mm might need a stronger recoil spring to cycle higher pressure stuff so I'd imagine it's similar for the 45 like >>64886384 says

>>64886462
He doesn't like buffalo bore specifically because he had multiple .357 cases explode, and .44 squibs. Basically that old ass buffalo boomer was trying to kill him. Underwood should be a good alternative.

>>64886466
I missed out on Underwood's President's Day sale sadly but I'll keep an eye out for next time.

I usually carry 124 gr Speer Gold Dot in my 9mm for CC but I was interested in trying something hotter/heavier. For .357, I'm interested to see what the limits I can handle and still make follow up shots

>>64886463
>10mm is the same size as the 9mm
That's nice but also sounds a bit sketchy compared to how Glock had to overbuild 20/21/40 compared to 9mm.

>>64886478
What’s a few more mm of polymer going to do

>>64886483
Oh no no, 20/21/40 have the slide itself beefed up, and the entire chamber, square area of the barrel is much thicker too. Then glock kind of shit themselves because they ship barrels with poor support that leave cases bulged and fucked up, but the slide is pdp tier huge.

>>64886526
>>64886483
If anything, the more I look at modern gun design, more I am convinced that the slide itself is the gun. It barely even needs the frame to fire. The frame is there just to pull striker back and release it, like a nail in a zip gun. Oh, and for feeding the next round.

People who don't understand chamber support shouldn't opine on the matter.

>>64886526
>>64886532
Which is why I asked, the M&P was designed around shooting .40 S&W and doesn’t need to be beefed up

>>64886477
Yeah I carry underwood 817 in my carry. Seems to run reliably.

>>64886478
It does but seemingly is fine. You wouldn't believe how thin the slide rails are. I looked it up given how much smaller it was compared to Glock and lots of people were claiming they shoot high pressure rounds just fine. One thing other than chamber support that I think matters is that the diameter is bigger so the higher pressure is also spread out more vs 9mm.

>>64886466
Underwood copies buffalo bore loads. You might be too young to remember but when Underwood tried to do r and d by themselves w bunch of 10mms blew up. Underwood is a joke.

>>64886478
He's just plainly wrong. The 10mm M&P is listed at 1.3 inches thick, whereas the 9mm M&P is 1.13 inches.

>>64886581
He literally posted him putting a 9mm and 10mm M&P into the same kydex holster

It sounds like you’re taking width that included the safety lever with one that does not have a safety lever

>>64886581
He has the gun, I would rather question spec sheet number

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>>64880630
>>politically aligned with groypers
Explain?

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>>64886588
no
>>64886597
Okay, have him take a head-on or top down picture of the slides, side by side.

>>64886012
I got a Dan Wesson and honestly wasn't impressed. Does it run? yea. Is it good quality? yea. Do I like it better than my Staccato? nah. Call me a zoomer or whatever ill take a stock G17 any day. I actually shoot though, so yea. But the Dan Wesson is extremely accurate, probably my most accurate handgun, I got it on sale but in no way would I pay fucking 2600-2800 or whatever gay asking price they want these days for an optics ready. I got the OR in black in 45 btw.

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>>64886634
>>64886625
>Y.E.S. screws
I hate fucking manufacturers I swear to god

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>>64886657
>Y.E.S. screws

>>64886607
This might be a hot take but I feel like everyone's first gun should be something stupidly simple like a stock Glock or M&P. It's better to learn on something that doesn't shoot for you and you'll have a greater appreciation when you do get a Les Baer or Korth or whatever eventually

>>64886663
first gun should always be a feels gun because you're not going to be talked out of it anyway. buy a fucking COP 357.

>>64886663
I feel like it's a big secret in the gun cummunity that 1911s are this amazing gun, it's a fucking 100+ year design and never was amazing.

Same with suppressors, people wanna suppress everything then realize unless they're running a flow through they are getting shit to the face, beating the shit out of their parts for little value when target shooting, blah blah.

I just hate the gunsoomer bullshit, when I see some fag on IG with a lever gun tricked out with a bunch of shit on it. They don't realize what's gud is a stock glock with a red dot, a quality AR with a light, LAM, red dot, good mags, and NODs and a thermal.

>>64886663
first gun should be a .22 revolver or a glock 19 if you are a recently battered woman

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>>64886669
>1911 was never amazing

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>>64886669
I feel like a lever can be useful in cuck states where ARs are overregulated.

>>64886675
>grip angle wrong
>bore axis high
>magazine single stack
>hammer spring housing
>caliber not powerful enough/too large
>grip safety

the 1911 must be modified to be good

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/hg/cels, what handgun makes you go like this?

>>64886667
I feel like a feels gun should be after you've become proficient with an actual EDC.

>>64886669
I respect 1911s and I've shot some really nice ones but they don't spark joy. I totally understand why people love them though

As much as gunsoomers are annoying, they DO keep cash flowing into the lobby which helps keeps some prices down for the rest of us

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>>64886685
>no
>no
>I don’t consider the 2011 a different gun since most of the parts are the same
>how is the hammer spring being captive a bad thing
>you’re gay
>inertia drop safety is bad?

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>>64886687
My Wehrmacht guns
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K2BU-qqzi30
>>64886691
I wanted a Mauser so it was one of my first and mine was glitchy. So it stayed semi mothballed till I became a competent armorer and then I tore it down, replaced the springs and polished fit the non matching mag plate (someone carelessly took from another broom) to fit mine.
Now it’s running good and even got competent at shooting it.
Which is hard since it’s zeroed for 50 meters to 1000. I’m now turning 223 into Mauser brass and reloading. Might put a silver bead attop front sight and rock gun contests with it.

>>64886741
That is extremely awesome man, you should be proud

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>>64886685
> THE 1911 mUSt Be mOdifieD TO bE gooD

>>64886802
NTA but the stock configuration of the 1911 is dog shit compared to modern configurations

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>>64886800
Remember when you admitted you couldn’t tell 45 from 223 and you’re posting from Asia?
Pretty weird you’re here when you can’t partake in this hobby.

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>>64886812
>the...1911 is dog shit...
-anon

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>>64886771
I need to put a bead on this gun fr
Shoot it at a reasonable pistol range and it fires a full foot high. I finally semi got on target after aiming right below my paper. Idk if a century ago everyone just point shot.
Idk if to just use glue or non heating solder to not fuck with the finish

>>64886815
Have no idea what you’re talking about schizo

I merely posted a target of yours, if you’re telling me you were shooting with a rifle in a pistol range with those groups that makes it worse

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>>64886833
You called those 45 ACP, noguns. Which you did admit.

Also this is America (not for you), a man has the right to magdump his high capacity rifle
That is the feeling of freedom.

>>64886812
>>64886802
I'm not a 1911 fanboy or a 1911 hater.
But the only 1911s I've fired that actually run reliably are shitty old GI-spec pistols that rattle when shaken.
The tuned up race guns with crisp triggers and cunt-hair spec tolerances jam constantly. While those are accurate they suffer from a host of other issues, mainly dogshit reliability and insane drop safety issues that make p320s look impressive by comparison.
And while it's not objectively relevant, modern 1911s and 2011s usually look like hot garbage, clearly styled to appeal to the braindead mallninja crowd that listens to mil-influencer podcasts.

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>>64886605
Slide is same thickness bro idk what to tell you how would they both fit in the same holster. I'll take some pics shortly. Probably measuring the grip which isn't indexed on a holster. You can also see that the optic plate, for a 9mm, fits exactly on the 10mm.

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>>64886844
>i'M NOt A 1911 fAnBoy OR A 1911 hatER. But The OnLy 1911S i've fIReD THat ACtuallY Run REliAbLY ArE SHItTY olD gI-sPEc PIStoLS THaT rAttLE WheN sHAKeN. thE tunED up rAce guns WItH Crisp TrIGgers AnD CUnt-hAiR sPEC toleRANcEs jAM cOnStAntLy. WHILe ThOsE ArE ACCUrAte THEY SUfFer fROm a HoST of otHeR ISSUES, maINly dOGshIt RELiabilITy And iNSanE DROp saFety ISSUeS THaT maKE p320S LoOK imPrEsSiVe bY CoMpArIsON.
anD WHile it's nOt oBJeCtIVEly RELeVANT, mODern 1911S ANd 2011s usUally LoOk LIKE HOt GArbaGE, cLearlY styLED TO AppEaL to ThE BrAinDEAD maLLNInJA cROwd tHaT LISTeNS to Mil-InFlUENceR PoDCAstS.

The 1911 has a naturally crisp trigger and turkshit replicates GI guns quite well.

Also there’s only one gun that’s been banned by half the police departments in the country, ICE, FBI and has an fbi report calling it unsafe and it’s not a 1911descendent.

>>64886843
What the fuck are you talking about retard

>>64886844
My friends call me a Glock fanboy because they're all Sig fanboys and shit talk Glock constantly and I'm the only one with an alternate point of view. I'm not even a Glock guy but to imply they're on the level of Hi Points or Heritage arms is absurd

>>64886815
Take a breath chicken shit.

>>64886581
>>64886605
>>64886849
I'm too lazy to upload these nothingburger pics right now. They are the same width on the slide, trigger guard, grip. The mags are the same width, only the 10mm is slightly longer. The slides both fit on the wrong frames, but the dimensions are slightly different with the length of pull like I said. This makes the 10mm jut out at the back and the 9mm ends before the end of the frame. The 9mm locking block has longer rails. They still work but I bet they will both light strike. The 10mm it definitely sounds different like it's hitting way too soon.

>>64886863
There’s an Andy Kaufmanesque ESL spammer who writes his sentences backwards. He thought 22 diameter bullets were 45. I laughed, you went “check your privilege”.
>>64886866
I mean, I’m still hitting the bullseye with a lightweight 44 boomer, so seems like I don’t need to.
Don’t they say “Hold your breath” for a shot anyways?

>>64886878
So you have some sort of arch enemy and then sperged on me posting an absolutely garbage target you posted

You’re schizo, that anon who said you might shoot up a school is on to something

>>64886885
You sound extremely onions-pilled and extremely aggrieved. Why would you even save pictures of other men? And you talk like an ESl so easy mistake to make.
>insert leeuro style moral panic
Sad!
I can have fun, I can dump an entire mag with my rifle in a range and it’s just fun. It’s only you who Karen’s out about a rifle.

I hope you’re just a euro and it’s not that American men are all becoming super whiny and triggered by everything.

>>64886010
my 9mm subs handloads for shooting with my can are 840

>>64886010
Do we really need faster for a .45 flying ashtray? I could just switch to 200 gr +P Speer Gold dot going 1000 fps.

>>64886927
To expand a hollow point, yes

>>64886928
HSTs expand fine

Velocity isn’t everything, hollow point design matters too, which the huge nose of .45 ACP makes it very easy to expand.

>inb4 lucky Gunner test out of a 3 inch barrel

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>>64886928
Can you use softish wheelweight lead as a JHP? Keep the pros of FMJ/JHP with less of the cons?
The Bongos did something like that with their Webley and it worked. I’m trying that with my reloads. I’m pretty sure a lead 45/44 standard pressure load would basically be 455

>>64886878
You have the grouping of a epileptic woman shooting a sawed of 12 gauge From that distance from that distance I can make one hole with an 1858 for fucks sake.

>>64885909
Hasn't been true since the 90s. Good 230gr JHPs like the 230gr HST are very reliable performers and better than most 147gr 9mm loads in that respect. Comparing them to .380 JHPs is laughable.
>>64886010
It's maybe 50fps slower than 147gr 9mm and 180gr .40 S&w, both extremely ubiquitous and undeniably well performing loads.

>>64887008
When all the "best" expanding ammo is designed to operate as asked it 100% comes down to diameter. They ALL are designed to stop inside the same narrow window. Right about 15 inches in gel. That means they will all perform roughly the same as each other (not the same in humans as gel, but the same as each other on humans) when it comes to depth achieved. The only real significant difference is the edges and overall diameter. The sharpest largest diameter will cause the most blood loss.
Frankly one would be better off using hard cast flat nose for self defense. In and out. Doesn't matter what it hits in the body it's making one hole all the way through.

>>64886906
Useless womenly faggot. Fucking disgusting.

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I think my Beretta has a blown head gasket :(

>>64886679
jesus, why would you not just get a normal lever action at that point?

>>64887075
>a normal lever action cannot be chambered in 556 or 223 due to how tube magazines work
>this is literally the only way to get a lever action with proper rifle rounds and a reliable magazine loading system
>"normal" lever actions will need to be in underpowered flat nose pistol calibers like 357mag, or obsolete and originally black powder rounds like 30-30
If anything, why would you ever get a normal lever action over this tacictard bullshit in modern day, theres literally no excuse.

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I want this thing

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>>64887003
That’s a sub 5 inch group and perfectly competent for an irons gun.
>>64887035
> womenly
Why do you keep saying that?

>>64887086
>>"normal" lever actions will need to be in underpowered flat nose pistol calibers like 357mag, or obsolete and originally black powder rounds like 30-30

https://www.henryusa.com/firearm/h14-long-ranger-rifle/
https://www.henryusa.com/firearm/h14-long-ranger-express-carbine/

you know nothing you fucking retard

https://aimsurplus.com/products/leo-trade-in-smith-wesson-sw99-9mm-handgun-black

Shit, I've wanted an old model Walther P99 for a long time ever since I first saw that Forgotten Weapons video. I'm so tempted to grab this.

>>64887099
NTA but I believe he was talking about tube magazines, hence specifically saying that pointy splitzer bullets cannot be used

> and the bottom features a steel-bodied flush-fit detachable magazine (5-round capacity in .223, 4-round in .243,.308, and 6.5 Creedmoor) with a steel floorplate and a blackened steel release button on the right side of the receiver.

Also as a inb4 I wouldn’t consider the Winchester 1895 that uses a box magazine a normal lever action

>>64887110
jesus christ. "Normal" meant "designed from the ground up as a lever action" . You and him would've been able to parse that out if you didn't both suffer from a learning disability.

>>64886663
My first gun that I owned was a Beretta 92, but I learned to shoot on a p220

>>64887109
I wanted a P99 until I handled one and and the whole thing was just too small :(

>>64887096
>Sub 5" group
>Irons gun
You realize from that distance old men at the local club shuffle up and fire historically accurate civil war revolvers and post up clovers right? Did you post that because you think it's good? Is this some sort of confused children's club? That's fucking horrible. How the fuck can you not do better than that with a fucking revolver?

>>64887117
The bond arms thing is designed grounds up to be a lever action, which sets it apart from the failed earlier attempts of an AR lever action

>>64887117
how in the retarded nigger logic you rattle around in your dumb skull is >>64886679 not a fucking firearm that is designed from the ground up as a lever action?
Its a unique lower on a unique stock meant to work with a lever action mechanism you noguns third worlder

>>64887096
Seven yards away bragging about a 5" group with a modern revolver. Learn how to shoot for fucks sakes.

45-70 > .223

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>>64887131
>YOu reALiZE FrOm thAT DisTAnCe Old mEN At The LoCAL cLUB SHUfFLe uP AND fire hiSTORICALLy aCCURaTE ciVil wAr rEvOlVERS aND PoSt uP cLoVerS rIGHT? Did YOu poST thaT bEcAuse yOU think IT'S GOOD? iS THiS sOMe SoRT oF conFusEd ChIldrEn'S CLUb? THAT's FuCkiNG HORRIbLE. hoW tHE FUCk Can yoU NoT DO BEtter thAN tHAt WItH a FUcKING REvolVEr?
Cool, now one hand a gun at 45 power and post your 10 yard groups.
>>64887140
I trust you took WILD BILL HICKOK V. MAJOR FRANK NORTH challenge? Preferably with irons.

>>64887053
You should have read manual before use

>>64887198
What is "45 power". ACP? Long colt? 140g ball and 35g powder What 45 there are a shit ton. Did I do some autistic Internet fake fag challenge? No. We do shoot playing cards from that distance though.
All this faggory aside you have shaky shit form and can't shoot for shit. You can argue all you want but you may want to make sure everything is bolted down spaz.

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>>64887131
Also >>64887096 and group
It’s totally an unremarkable group but at the threshold for being competent.

I do want tips for shooting irons so if you can do this challenge with a historically accurate civil war revolver and give me tips I would be very grateful.

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>>64887109
Beware the backstraps. They disintegrate over time, or more accurately they become soft and vulnerable to damage. These things are all 25+ years old so that rubber is not so strong*. Taking a backstrap off will likely put a crack through it. They're a shrinking commodity, very hard to find, and you shrink the pool even more with a SW99 because there are fewer and the S&W ones are a different (aesthetic) design and don't quite match with P99 ones, though they will fit (picture NOT related, my SW99 is .45 and everything's different sized, 9mm P99 backstraps will fit 9mm SW99s)

That's not too bad a price though, they're roughly that on gunbroker. That said you can get an actual Walther for $200 more
https://www.gunbroker.com/guns-firearms/search/completed?keywords=p99%209mm&pagesize=48&sort=4&view=2&ch-manufacturername=WALTHER&timeframe=1


*See this:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1151720477

>>64887214
>wHAT IS "45 PoWER". acP? lOnG cOLt? 140G BAlL aNd 35g POWDer wHAT 45 TheRE ARE a shIT tON. did I dO SoME auTIStiC inteRNet FakE faG CHALlENGE? NO. wE Do shOoT PlaYinG CardS FRom ThAT DistanCE ThoUGh. aLL ThiS FaGGOrY ASIDe you hAVE sHAKy Shit fOrM AnD can'T ShOOT For shit. You Can ARGUE ALl YoU WAnT BUT YOU MAy WANt TO maKE SUrE eVeRYtHIng iS BoLted DoWN sPAZ.
You need word economy fr Frien. 200gr/900fps 44sp or 45 ACP equivalent. This is also a good proxy for 44russian and Webley but it’s out of a bulldog so some kick.
So where is your one hand classic gun shoots. All talk and no do is something real men frown on.

>>64887216
Tips? Use a Remington 1858. The sights will be closer to dead on. The colts and Colt replicas all shoot very high. You learn how to hold under or get the front sights modified. Out of the box an actual Remington 1858 will shoot one hole from a bench rest. A good one will cost a 1500 or more.

>>64887225
Real men don't shake when holding a snub nose up for more than 3 seconds. No man card for you you estrogen riddled clown.

report this guy for using basedjacks+ being fucking annoying

>>64887216
I know my 1851 Navy isn't historically accurate (.44 caliber, not .36) but I'm still gonna do it for fun.

Also, this is like retard tier information but, keep as steady as possible and remember that you are shooting at something slightly above your front sight post and not on it

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>>64887234
> reAl men dON't SHaKE wheN holdInG a SNuB nose UP FOR More tHaN 3 sEcOnDS. nO MAn CarD FOR yoU yOu EStrOgEn riDdled CLoWn
And yet my shakes earned me a bullseye. Do you even shoot? Earp would definitely favor my do to your all talk. Guess that makes me the man.

>>64887242
Thank you, prigorzhin. I like 44sp because I have loading gear and it’s very 45acp like. Know it’s not historic.

I do have a bad quirk. After several shots I do get a shake. It’s not a severe problem since I can still keep a tight group but enough that I’m not reaching my potential.

Idk what causes it. Possibly recoil.
Last time I brought a 10-22 as a cool down gun and started shooting whenever I got shakes till they went away

>>64887242
I think most people who are trained "modern" are trying to shoot square or sideways when they shoot one handed like they see old pictures of.
Personally I am right handed. One handed I start square to the target. I take one comfortable step forward with my right foot. Then I raise and shoot. The opposite of old school two hands shooting. It's a far more comfortable and maintainable position to shoot from.

>>64887248
Usually one brags when one has 7 shots in the red and one flyer. You seem to have 7 flyers and one in the red. The bullseye was the accident dip shit.

>>64887224
As always, I deeply appreciate the insight! If I hadn't just bought two new guns in the last week, I would grab one in a heartbeat. Thanks again!

>>64887248
Earp was a horse thief, liar, cheat, murder, pimp, didn't pay his debts, was a bit rapey, is that the kind of person you were? You do know he wasn't considered a hero right? He was a pile of shit. He only got the hero label after he died when people cashed in on his name. Even his famous gunfight was started when his side just started killing people. Quite possibly unarmed people.

>>64887258
You mean one in the red per cylinder snd 4 in the yellow (the bulldog is 5rds, what do you expect from a 44 snub). I’m still waiting on you to show us all how to shoot a revolver.
> is that the kind of person you were
I recon I’m much closer match for Doc Holiday.

>>64887271
>Quite possibly unarmed people
Well, as Clint Eastwood famously said: "He should have armed himself"

>>64887291
No, what I mean is you fucking suck and are shaking like the drug addict you obviously are. You are more like one of those kids during the civil war who talked shit the entire march only to take one in the dome before you even made it to the battle.

>>64887253
>Thank you, prigorzhin
eh?

>>64887255
I shoot both left/right handed and I have the trade off of
>being a bit more steady right handed, but my eye is a bit blurry
or
>Be a bit less steady left handed, but be able to line up sights and see the target clearer

>>64887099
>https://www.henryusa.com/firearm/h14-long-ranger-rifle/
why get that over the bond? everything is made for AR platforms. You could use any AR barrel on the bond and put all your crap on the hand guard. You could also use normal ar mags. What is the benefit to the Henry

>>64887322
Figure out what eye is dominant and shoot both eyes open with that hand.

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Let me guess, you "need" more?

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>>64887329
will do

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>>64886815
How come you don't shoot silhouette targets like IPSC or DOE? If you want to id anon, start paying attention to filenames, there's desktop mode for phones posters

>>64887314
I have yet to see you shoot. How about you walk the walk.
And anyways that’s a match for doc Holliday. Funny enough, also a doctor with a very diverse skill set.
>>64887322
I like that.
I need to be more ambidextrous. Horsemen used to shoot with their weak hand anyways.
>eh
Sorry, I didn’t realize you were a serbchad
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V8jWz6nvLeo

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>>64887349
actually I need less. Less barrel length and frame size. and a 5 shot cylinder to make it more concealable.
>>64887329
why not just shoot with your dominant hand and dominant eye. All you have to do is move the gun 3 inches to the left or right, and if you need to transition from rifle to pistol or back its much easier.

>>64887362
im not that other anon but the only way this image would be impressive is if it was at 50 yards or under 9 seconds

>two of the worst shooters in the thread arguing
haha

>>64887362
I’d rather many little targets. Use each volley on one, know how each volley fared.
You can’t tell from looking at yours.
>>64887349
It’s too big for a 38. Make it a D frame and we’ll talk.

Can we ban these two retards the same way we banned that revolver tranny?

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>>64887378
>volley

>>64887349
I'm usually not into boomer guns, but the Registered Magnum/Model 27 will forever hold a place in my heart. Truly one of the best handguns ever conceived. No revolver even comes close.

>>64887389
You should look up the S&W K38 Masterpiece.

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>>64887387
I’m an old fashioned kind of guy

>>64887395
The k38 is an excellent target gun, but no .357 magnum is a dealbreaker for me in a revolver.

>>64887365
Because he has been doing things with his right hand his entire life. And it's most likely his right eye he now can't see out of is dominant. People should shoot both eyes open to begin with. That said if his right eye is fuzzy and still the dominant eye he will be crossing the plane of dominance while in motion. It's very much like putting a straw in a glass of water. Try it. It's quite wonky when trying to aim. However he can still use his right eye and right hand completely normally if he shoots both eyes open. The eye he has been using his whole life will put him on target faster, and his non dominant will "clear up the picture".
>Switching from pistol to rifle
Iron both eyes should be open anyway. Scope, what's the issue?