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First for Alys Karstark

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>>25086872
I've never seen fanart that depicts the characters in the way that I see them in my head. And the tv show made it so that 90% of what other people draw looks like the actors.

picrelated is how I see Arya. A very pretty boy that looks like her brothers. Less pouty lips and grey eyes obviously but it's otherwise very accurate to what imagine Arya to look like.

>>25085644
Cersei getting mad and suspecting that Marge was fucking Loras because she and Loras looked alike was peak fiction

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N + L = J + A

>>25086872
My boy griff going to take back the throne

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>>25087040
>a blackfyre supporter

>>25086950
Honestly a timeskipped Arya would be so fucking good.

It's been established many times in the books that Arya looked almost exactly like Lyanna when the latter was the same age, and Lyanna grew up to be one of the most beautiful noblewomen in westeros; the classic ugly duckling -> beautiful swan story

Imagining grown Arya as the hot deadly assassin princess is pretty fucking cool tbvh. Nobody would recognize her, and for the Jaryafags, Jon himself would probably be turned on by her before realizing that's his beloved baby sister, kinda like Theon and Asha.

Most of all, Sansa would probably be eating all the "horseface" insults she gave Arya when they were younger. Catelyn was always mogged by Lyanna, and Sansa is as much a spitting image of their mother as Arya is of their aunt. PLUS, with Arya's androgynously hot looks she might even have a bicurious crush on the new Arya without knowing it was her, oh the shame she'll feel when she finds out it's just ol' "horsefaced Arya".

Fuck George for not doing the timeskip man. I NEED the CATHARSIS a timeskipped Arya would bring. And also because if he did the timeskip we would've gotten Winds by 2019 or something.

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>>25086872

>>25087079
gods, the things i would do for an asoiaf open world game

>>25087076
he hasn't forgotten that Arya is beautiful he sprinkles it in here and there. Winds and Spring are when she's supposed to be coming into womanhood and using her looks a bit more.

>Someday I will die, and I hope you're right and it's thirty years from now. When that happens, maybe my heirs will decide to publish a book of fragments and deleted chapters, and you'll all get to read about Tyrion's meeting with the Shrouded Lord. It's a swell, spooky, evocative chapter, but you won't read it in DANCE. It took me down a road I decided I did not want to travel, so I went back and ripped it out. So, unless I change my mind again, it's going the way of the draft of LORD OF THE RINGS where Tolkien has Frodo, Sam, Merry, and Pippin reach the Prancing Pony and meet... a weatherbeaten old hobbit ranger named "Trotter."...I will now get a bunch of letters from those who want to read this deleted chapter. (No. Thank you, but no). -SSM 2007

>There's this Tyrion chapter that drove me crazy all through the decade, it seemed, that I worked on, on Dance with Dragons. That was precursor for Feast for Crows where I kept putting it in and taking it out and putting it in then taking it out. And then I put it in as a dream sequence and I took it out. Then, I made it a series of recurring dreams, each one going slightly further. So I put it in seven chapters. And then I took it out of those seven chapters. It's one of those chapters that I think is, by itself, is a terrific chapter. I liked the way it came together. It's vivid. It's kind of spooky. It's got some really great visual imagery in it and it leads me absolutely down a dead end, where if I take that path I'm stuck on a detour and so, I had to take it out. That chapter I may, I don't know, publish at some point down the road. -SSM 2011

>...there's at least one deleted chapter from book five – which left me in the wrong place – which I have been tempted to publish as a sort of short story." -SSM 2014

>any possibility of releasing the deleted Tyrion chapter in DANCE (where he met the Shrouded Lord) in the near future? In the Guardian Interview of 2014, you said you have been tempted to publish it as a novella. Have you decided to publish it? It won’t spoil WINDS and we will certainly enjoy it!

>I will need to do something with that chapter one of these days… but just what, I don’t know. - GRRM (2018)

>“I wrote a Tyrion chapter I just loved,” he recalls. “Then I looked at it and said: ‘I can’t do this, it will change the whole book. I’ll make this into a series of dreams. No! That doesn’t work either …'” - GRRM (2025)

What the fuck is in this one chapter and why does he keep edging us?

>>25087076
>I NEED the CATHARSIS a timeskipped Arya would bring
tits or gtfo
no we don't care that you're a spiteful ugly femcel
you know the rules

>>25087105
I think there's a couple of things, but you quoted what one of them is. Tyrion meets a god, the Shrouded Lord. I don't think George wants any of his characters to meet god, the magic/religion isn't supposed to be literally fleshed out. Among other issues, all it does is create more questions for the readers and ruins any agency the characters seem to have.

>>25087105
honestly yeah, how can one chapter potentially derail an entire story?

>>25087113
But Jon is going to have to confront The Great Other by the end of Winds or during Dream, who is a god. And Bran will probably meet the Old Gods sooner or later. So what gives?

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>>25087113
>Tyrion meets a god, the Shrouded Lord
the fuck? so there's just a god wandering around in the middle of buttfuck nowhere?

>>25086950
Arya doesn't look like a model anon. Arya is despicted as boyish not in the cute way.

>>25087122
>the middle of buttfuck nowhere
He would have met him while he was sailing the Rhoyne with Young Griff and company. It's why I said a couple of things, I think George really loves the idea of Tyrion having this spooky experience so he wrote two versions of it, maybe this most recent version is a different god since Tyrion is on land currently in Meereen heading toward Dany.
>>25087121
idk about Jon meeting The great Other. But I think the prevailing theory is that The Old Gods are just a collective consciousness of greenseers. The magic that greenseers perform is less miracle like and more on the clairvoyant/fortune teller side of things.

>>25087125
Arya is supposed to be twin to her smoking hot aunt anon. That picture I posted is what I think she currently would look like while training with the Faceless Men. Her teacher, the kindly man, does call her beautiful. Like I said the lips are less pouty in my head but Arya is not supposed to look like a little goblin, everyone draws her as a little goblin. Even Gendry was trying to bang her and she had no hair then.

>>25087125
>t. showfag who didnt read the books

>Now two children danced across the godswood, hooting at one another as they dueled with broken branches. The girl was the older and taller of the two. Arya! Bran thought eagerly, as he watched her leap up onto a rock and cut at the boy. But that couldn’t be right. If the girl was Arya, the boy was Bran himself, and he had never worn his hair so long. And Arya never beat me playing swords, the way that girl is beating him. She slashed the boy across his thigh, so hard that his leg went out from under him and he fell into the pool and began to splash and shout. “You be quiet, stupid,” the girl said, tossing her own branch aside. “It’s just water. Do you want Old Nan to hear and run tell Father?” She knelt and pulled her brother from the pool, but before she got him out again, the two of them were gone.

>After that the glimpses came faster and faster, till Bran was feeling lost and dizzy. He saw no more of his father, nor the girl who looked like Arya

Arya looks exactly like Lyanna, who was very plain looking during her childhood but matured into one of the most beautiful women in Westeros.

Maisie Williams was just kinda fugly throughout so I understand how your perception is skewed.

>>25087189
>bullied by your sleeper-hot tomboy imouto during your childhood
>married one of the hottest redheads in the realm during your adulthood
>had sex with your hot redhead wife so many times you have 5 children with her, and she still wants to make a 6th with you
>one of your son's becomes an omniscient tree-demigod who will become King in the end
>your foster son, who is your nephew, who is also the son of your sleeper-hot tomboy imouto, is the Chosen One of your universe
>after your death, everyone still remembers you very fondly

Ned Stark is truly the luckiest gigachad in all of Westerosi history, and I'm tired of showfags thinking he's just some "honorable fool who died early".

>>25087202
Ned Stark is so joyless he didn’t enjoy having sex with her at all i bet

>>25087209
She was his older brother's girlfriend, he had to deal with sloppy seconds.
All Ned wanted to do was go on adventures with Robert and bang hot Stony Dornishwomen with purple eyes. He didn't care about Cat, he did his duty, which is why it didn't even matter that she was pissed about him bringing Jon to Winterfell and raising him alongside the rest of the kids.

>>25087222
>didnt care what his hot redhead wife thinks
>only fucks her because of duty
>she still loves him to death anyways because he's so honorable
HOLY GIGACHAD

>>25087229
>GIGACHAD
It's kind of funny how other characters see Ned, they do think of him as a gigachad. We get his pov chapters so he's less chad and more dad in those, but a lot of the other characters see young Ned as the as an icy grim reaper figure.

>>25087236
In the north they think he’s cool literally everyone else thinks hes the dour lord of a frozen waste and all northmen and rustic bumpkins

>>25087238
>the dour lord of a frozen waste and all northmen and rustic bumpkins
The lords in the red keep think that. Young Ned fought the king's guard and won, pulled the tower they were in down over their heads, rode back to King's Landing and claimed the throne for his buddy. Then the Iron Islands tried to rebel so he sailed over killed all the male children but kept one as a slave for good measure lol. Which gave him a stellar reputation in the other six kingdom. In Dorn the Daynes name their kids after him because he was a complete badass and returned their family's sword after killing their most famous warrior lol. And yeah, Robb is afraid of the other Northern Lords but they were afraid of Ned so he was pretty gigachad.

>>25087122
no, the shrouded lord is never referred to as a god, he's just some weird guy (if he's real at all)

>>25087330
I had to go back and read it. One character gossips that he's "just some guy" and there were multiple Shrouded Lords but in every other bit of text they clearly talk about him as if he's a magical, mythological, or god like. Tyrion clearly thinks he's god like. Not a man.

>>25086872
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and winter is coming and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR

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>>25087105
It's the one after Tyrion falls in the water at the Sorrows.
It ends on a cliff note, with almost nothing changing in the next Tyrion chapter, except that Jon has now graysclae and Tyrion doesn't.

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how will george make their romance work without it looking like jon is getting daarios second slops ?
if he wanted a cute romance why make dany such a whore ?

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>You are a targ king during the first 100 years after the death of the dragons.

How do you ensure that your descendants doesn't get murderfucked some day in the future when the lords of the realm notice that they have more power than them?

I would:

>Ban the inbreeding and turn marriage alliances into the house policy
Ideally with lannisters, arryns, and baratheons. You'd want at least one of these three kingdoms on your side as they are geographically closer and the lord paramounts have more prestige among their subjects than the tyrells and tullys.

>Build a fleet and turn King's Landing into the biggest naval power of the continent
A fleet is easier to mantain than a regular army, and more useful in peacetime. You can control commerce in the narrow sea. You can make the North dependant of that commerce and blockade White Harbor if they rebel. You can move armies quickly. You can threaten Sunspear. If King's Landing is sieged it will easier to defend if you control the sea.

>Don't annex Dorne
That desert brings more problems (blackfyre rebellion) than profit. And the dornish are more useful as a foreign enemy to unite the realm against that as an ally.

>Expand the crownlands
Needless to explain.

i fucking hate 90% of this series' fanbase

bunch of "muh nothing matters dude, being evil is cool/based" unless you're racist or sexist or whatever-ist then suddenly everything matters when it comes to that

poser "nihilistic" hypocritical basedllennial starbucks lattesipping faggots like these are the worst to share a fandom with

i bet most people who posts in these threads are exactly like i described.

>>25087955
>bunch of "muh nothing matters dude, being evil is cool/based" unless you're racist or sexist or whatever-ist then suddenly everything matters when it comes to that
People engage with fantasy media for purposes of escapism. If they are dealing with racism and sexism or other discriminating behaviors irl they are less likely to find it entertaining or interesting in an area of their life where they go to relax.

I don't really care about people writing racist or sexist characters but sometimes authors are really hamfisted about it. Yeah this guy is the antagonist of the story, a real bad hombre, he kicked the protagonist's ass two chapter ago and oh yeah he beats his girl friend and doesn't like black people, just in case you were thinking this guy is cool. It's really weak writing.

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>>25086872
Should have used the new GURM's picture for the OP

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>>25087202
>be a dumbass
>get your head chopped off
>Ned Stark is truly the luckiest

>>25087052
no evidence he's a blackfyre

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>>25087741
>daarios second slops
Dany may no longer have her anal virginity, but I don't think she's taken the knot before

>>25087915
Have 20 kids with my hot sister wife and give every single one a castle
Simple as

>>25088318
every crusader kangz player knows this is a recipe for disaster

>>25088313
is it confirmed she gave up her ass to daario ?

Which asoiaf girl has the puffiest pudenda?

>>25088191
You don't understand the books.

>Jaime is canonically 6'6" tall
>so is Robert
Could Jaime solo Robert in a fight?

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>>25089195
Brienne and Robert are 6'6"
Jaime is shorter.

>>25089195
Both at their peak? No. Gods he was strong then...

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>Roose has no feelings, you see. Those leeches that he loves so well sucked all the passions out of him years ago. He does not love, he does not hate, he does not grieve. This is a game to him, mildly diverting. Some men hunt, some hawk, some tumble dice. Roose plays with men. You and me, these Freys, Lord Manderly, his plump new wife, even his bastard, we are but his playthings

Damn Roose is literally me fr fr NO CAP

>Jaime and Lysa almost got married

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>>25087915
>Ban the inbreeding
Immediately die out and get usurped by some barbarian retard

The actual reason they had a touch of madness later on is because they started to outbreed with westarosi which gave them genetic retardation
hence why later generations could no longer breed dragons. Their cum is literally special magic and when the cum goes from pure incest Valyrian stock into some common Dornish wench and produces a bastard retard that also calls itself "Valyrian" that's when you start to have problems

The Valerians of old never had a problem with incest for many thousands of years. But suddenly in Westaros they're producing mad kings and children and their dragons dying out?

Maegor really fucked this entire thing up with his half breeds
And Viserys sealed the noose around the house forever
50 years later All the Dragons died

Good Job Fat Fuck
Really had to get your dick wet

>>25089195
Yes. Jaime is proof that outbreeding gave the Targaryens stronger descendants unlike what >>25089305 thinks.
Rhaella's son got wrecked by Robert, Joanna's son can beat Aragorn and Rand Al'Thor while blindfolded or whatever it is GRRM says

>>25089332
Magic > Being Big and a good swordsman

>>25089342
Jaime beats THE magic swordsman from WoT.
GRRM wrote it which makes it canon until he withdraws it. This is absolute.

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how much food porn will be in Winds if it ever comes out?

>>25089396
those crunchy roasted onions George describes always have me feeling some type of way

>>25087741
Dany's already had sex with three men. Is George really going to ship her with a fourth?
I think Daario is the Mount to Dread and the one who'll stab her in the books

>>25089466
>Dany's already had sex with three men.
Ser Jorah crying in the car

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>>25089456
For me it's snails in honey and garlic.

>>25089527
GRRM profusely describes the appearance and abundance of foods, but never the taste. Curious.

>The Valerians of old never had a problem with incest for many thousands of years. But suddenly in Westaros they're producing mad kings and children and their dragons dying out?
The non-Targ dragonlords can be counted on one hand, and we have no idea what kind of people they were beyond their incest, wealth, and dragonriding. I'm not even going to dignify the drivel and conjecture with a (You).

The extinction of dragons was abrupt. Twenty dragons lived in 129, and by 131 there were only four. The last dragon only lived long enough to lay inert eggs, and died in 153. Archmaester Marwyn insists the maesters killed the dragons through the removal of magic. Seeing as Marwyn is not stripped of his chain nor exiled for his narrative, it's highly probable the maesters cannot deny Marwyn's assessment.

Aerys was the only deranged Targaryen king. The only other Targaryen of any position that could be interpreted as psychologically incapacitated is Rhaegal, brother to Aerys I and Maekar I. Many Targaryen kings were eccentric, but they still conformed to common human behaviors like hubris, cruelty, and hedonism.

This idea that Targaryen blood-thinning goes hand-in-hand with their madness, and extinction of dragons, is rubbish.

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>>25087094
I'm sorry anon, but Mount and Blade mods are the closest you'll get. Maybe Skyrim has some too.

>>25087094
>>25089788
We should petition to Georgie and WB, blending ASOIAF games with the mechanics of the Nemesis system from Shadow of Mordor/War. Let’s unpack it a bit and sketch how such a scenario could be core setup.

>Isekai Viserys III: Instead of the tragic, bitter prince, you reimagine him (or her, in your twist) as transported into a Nemesis-style world where rivalries, betrayals, and procedurally generated enemies shape the narrative. Prologue shows him as squire of black hearts.
>Female counterpart of Viserys in Dorne: This adds a cultural and political twist. Dorne’s traditions of gender equality and independence could give her more agency than the original Viserys ever had. Training under legendary white bull of the kingguards.
>Starting in Pentos: A perfect launch point — a free city with mercantile wealth, political intrigue, and connections to both Essos and Westeros.
>Founding a city in the Axe Peninsula: That’s bold. The Axe (between the Rhoyne and the Gulf of Grief) is rugged and contested, so founding a city there would immediately trigger Nemesis-style rivalries with local tribes, pirates, and rival houses.

>>25088258
Correct, he was brightflame candidate or longwaters bastardized option

The Ghost of High Heart vs The Mountain

Who wins?

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You now remember Daenero.

>>25089971
i blame HOTD's black velaryons
they gave this nigga delusions he could be a valyrian, sad!

>>25089466
It makes no sense to be daario
Her relationship with him is just sex and she pretty much moves on by leaving him behind by the end of ADWD, if dany is going to get stabbed by anyone in the book it'll definitely be jon just like the show

>>25089994
It was actually the whole Slavers Bay arc that did it

>>25090190
what you mean ?

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>>25089396

George R.R. Martin you stupid fucking nigger should have gone with the timeskip anyway so that we would've been done with this series now. Maybe would have been worse but at least we wouldn't have to think about anymore like we do now, constantly being drip fed with small news and information fuck you.

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>>25090416
the only updates he gives are"I promise guys it's definitely closer to being finished please stop calling me a fat retard incapable of following through I swear just a little longer." I hope he cries his obese lardass to sleep every night from people being so horribly mean to him after waiting fourteen fucking years for the SECOND to last book in his setting, nevermind the actual finish. Fuck Martin, and fuck whatever ending he had planned - if he doesn't give enough of a shit to even get to it, why should I?

>>25089466
Jon and Dany are each other's endgame couples, that's plain obvious
But how George is going to make it work in only two books I have no idea

>>25090416
>we would've been done with this series now
lol, lmao even

>>25090416
We wouldn't have been done with the series regardless of timeskips, the guy described himself MANY TIMES as "a gardener" rather than "an architect". He simply doesn't plan shit and makes it up as he goes, all that time he had only vague ideas about the ending.

>>25090222
Meereenese worshiping a pale blonde white lady is indistinguishable from Indians swarming a pale blonde white lady.

>>25090416
>Game of Thrones, Clash, Storm make for a solid trilogy
>Intermission with the following:
>A Wolf Among Lions (Jaime, Cercei, Tyrion, Jon chapters with Kevan epilogue)
>Salt and Iron, the Greyjoy chapters
>Sand and Venom, Dorne chapters
>The Adventures of the Maiden of Tarth and Pod, Brianne chapters
Filler with build up. Then he could've time skipped with those wrapping up most of their own little plots.

/tv/ is going crazy right now

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>>25091139
the superior Valyrian Man

>>25087121
>But Jon is going to have to confront The Great Other by the end of Winds or during Dream, who is a god.
The Great Other is a character from the Lord of Light religion. Literally zero evidence that he exists.

>>25091139
As they should, Baelor is an awesome character and the showrunners nailed the scene

>>25087189
>who was very plain looking during her childhood
Yeah? she doesn't look like your weird gay pedo fantasy

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>George sets a release date for the next published books
>It's Winds AND Spring at the same time
post yfw
>inb4 never

>>25091619
>Winds and Spring at the same time
he's only going to write Dunk and Egg novellas until he dies because the new HBO show is taking up all his time right now

>>25091619
Anon, Winds has been stuck at "75% completion" for almost a decade now. We won't get Spring at all.

>>25091578
Subtext retard. Me saying Arya looks Lyanna is me saying that Arya will be beautiful when she reaches puberty. Where did you infer pedophilia from that? Dumbfuck.

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A smart anon said Qarth is based on Qart-Hadasht (Carthage)
What else did this hebrew algorithm miss out on

Are they right

>>>/tv/218014952
>>>/tv/218015260

i am tired of waiting

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>>25089788
The mount & blade mod is what made me buy CK3 and invest 1000 hours into it last year. I've never touched the base game, only ck3agot. The more I play it the more I get bummed out about how the systems in the game destroy immersion.

>>25090076
She's still obsessed with Daario and thinks about him constantly. Also Daario is probably connected to Euron in some way which is why Euron knows so much about Daenerys

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>>25092372
>She's still obsessed with Daario and thinks about him constantly.

Daenerys is obsessed with Daario's dick and thinks about it in all her holes constantly.

>>25092380
>nude cosplay of a child
Interesting choice.

>>25091934
>(Al-Andalus)
Why liberals obsessing with land of the Vandals?

>>25090513
Dany is a whore who exclusively lusts after immoral men like Khal Drogo and Daario. Jon is the polar opposite of her taste in men. Also Jon would probably hate Daenerys as he doesn't respect female authority (hence why he refuses to fuck Mel)
Jon is coded as "ice" and his story mirrors the Night's King. Daenerys is coded as "fire" and is claimed to be Azor Ahai. Gurm will subvert this by making Daenerys evil and Jon good, but they're still destined to be enemies, not lovers

>>25092398
The fact that they represent fire and ice already carries a strong romantic subtext.
The entire book is leading up to their eventual romance they’re destined to become allies, with Dany's dragons playing a crucial role in defeating the Others. Sure, you could argue they might eventually turn from lovers into enemies, but the romance itself will absolutely happen.
Dany is just 16 years old; she doesn’t truly know her own taste in men yet. And the Jon she meets after his resurrection will be the coolest man she has ever encountered.

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wtf i love AI now!!!

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>>25086872
if your ass got dropped into Westeros as a hedge knight just in time for the WOT5K, what are you doing? Are you riding to join one of the kings, turning outlaw in the Riverlands, fucking off to Essos, trying to avert whatever horrible fate awaits any given character, or something else entirely?

>>25092363
Try the CK2 version. Much deeper game

>>25092773
Heading to the wall. They can use all the help they can get, and there is the least amount of fuckery involved in the goings on at the Wall. Seems like a place that rewards those who keep their head down (the reward being I don’t die arbitrarily)

>>25093080
>>25092363
Play westero total war

>>25093086
>willingly marching north to face the hordes of ice zombies
you're a braver man than I am, anon. Would you join the watch fully or would you prefer to just be an extra sword in Castle Black?

Shippertards all need the rope

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>>25091649
What really prevents him from finishing the fucking thing

>>25087741
Its to late for george to write a good romance between them. With how little time for interactions they have and so many other plotlines to resolve it would be a miracle if its written half as good Jon and Ygritte romance. Jon and Danny romance would be a complete joke compared to Brienne and Jaime romance. the only option for high quality romance for Jon would be Arya like it was planned or Val if George lost his balls and want to pander to normies

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>>25093317

>>25093232
Going in with the foreknowledge of the books, I think I would rather just die as a bulwark against climate change. I am not going to roll the dice on an environment and culture as barbaric as Westeros. The wanton rape and murder as a result of this War is insane; the Hundred Years’ War and even the Thirty Years war of our own history cannot compare to Westeros’ heart of darkness. How long is it until war and the consequences of Robert’s throne touch the rest of the continent, like it has the Riverlands? If it isn’t war that is coming, then it is the starvation of winter, and in that case, put me on the wall, and let me spend my last days amongst the more interesting forces of the plot. But yes I would join the watch fully. I don’t like having sex with smelly girls.

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I can't believe watchbros have literal fucking ice cream.

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>an iron born that reads books
>So they call him the reader
BRAVO GRRM

>>25087105
The fat man wants his Silmarillion.
Tolkien won.

>>25093317
He's lost his passion for the project and there's no payoff to finishing it. Either he's criticized for not finishing aSoIaF or he publishes Winds and is criticized for being a hack because he's written too many needless character and plot threads to resolve in a satisfactory way.

>>25089305
>The Valerians of old never had a problem with incest for many thousands of years
Absolutely nothing anywhere indicates than Valyrians "never had a problem with incest".

>But suddenly in Westaros they're producing mad kings
Targs always produced lots of mad lads because they have dragon dreams in their blood.

>>25093431
>I don’t like having sex with smelly girls.

Girls can be bathed. Also, I'd run off to Braavos.

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>>25093561
>>The Valerians of old never had a problem with incest for many thousands of years
>Absolutely nothing anywhere indicates than Valyrians "never had a problem with incest".

But there's nothing to suggest they did have a problem. They created a vast empire after all and wouldn't have been able to do that if a large percentage were retards.

The madness of Targaryens is overblown. Aerys II was a unique combination of psychopathy and a declining ability to function in daily life. Notorious Targaryens like Aerion, Aegon IV, Baelor, Aegon II, and Maegor behaved rationally or at least consistently. If madness is defined by harm, Daemon Blackfyre and Daeron I were worse for the dynasty and the kingdoms than Baelor the Blessed, but the former are never considered mad while the latter is frequently claimed as mad. Interesting coincidence that Baelor the Blessed and Daeron the Good were both unpopular during their reigns. Unpopular to whom? The nobility of course. Antipathy over Dorne clouds judgement.

Purity of blood is meaningless; a more important ingredient is the requirement for controlling dragons. Danaerys is more Dornish than Valyrian, and even more Blackwood than Dornish. The blood requirement is binary, not by quality. As long as someone has a dragonlord ancestor, they can achieve the bond. Remember this, Dany has her dragons no matter how loudly someone proclaims Blackfyre as determining the king.

>>25093588
I like that you have to reply to a pasta that still has never bothered to correct the misspelling.

https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Rhaegel_Targaryen

least mad targ

>>25092773
>fuck off to Essos
>join the Golden Company
>ride an elephant
>fuck bitches on my elephant
>feels good man

>>25093582
That is true, there is always Mole Town and the Free Folk. But why Braavos? I picture it like Italy, and Venice. And I’ve always hated the “what once was great” atmosphere when you visit Italy.

>>25093669
>a lamprey pie
Must been poison - fookin snow

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kek

>>25093843
man why doesn't he just keep pumping out books for this series then to wrap everything up the way he wants to. I doubt we are getting more than an outline of an ending anyway. Just move the story forward AN INCH GEORGE. AN INCH.

>>25093843
Fucking kino, if we get more george writing then I'm happy. I don't get how bloated and meandering the plot gets

>>25093849
he is an autistic boomer, he said it's going to be two more books and now he can't go back on his words because that would be admitting he was wrong, he can lie about progress of writing just fine though, it's the same shit with quarantino and his 10 movies limit, retarded, autistic hacks both of them

>>25093928
>now he can't go back on his words because that would be admitting he was wrong
he does this all the time

>>25093849
Someone should unironically check George for ADHD. By all accounts he genuinely has a bunch of potential scenarios for hundreds of hundreds of his characters, but he's so eager to tell all the details he has trouble deciding what to focus on and just ends up paralysing himself.

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oh naw......... what da rhaegar doin??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjnFzPhM72I

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>tfw you're visiting family at dragonstone and your auntmom starts looking at you like this

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>>25094048
looks like a lannister

>>25086872
>he will never finish the work because his intended ending was received so badly
He doesn't want to change it.

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>>25094064
you look like a lannister lmoa

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>>25093697
>But why Braavos?

It's the most civilized and thus safest state on Planetos.

>>25087741
I don’t see a relationship between Danny and Jon. Im one of those that still believe in Jon and Arya romance. I don’t agree with those that read Arya’s and Jon’s storylines as separate. Maybe physically, yes, but emotionally and affectionately they remain more connected than ever. Needle, Jon’s gift to Arya, which he gives her because he is the one who loves and understands her the most, accompanies her and saves her throughout all the books, even from losing her identity during her training in the House of Black and White, when she has to abandon all her belongings but is unable to let go of Needle because it reminds her of Jon Snow.

>“Needle was Jon Snow's smile. He used to mess my hair and call me ‘little sister,’ she remembered, and suddenly there were tears in her eyes.”

It’s a misinterpretation of Arya’s story to see her as fully integrating into the Faceless Men when she struggles to preserve her identity. Just like is a mistake to all those readers that are blind miss all the longing and yearning that Jon feels for Arya in ADWD

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What are your thoughts about knowing that Ser Dunk survived Summerhall?

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>>25094184
>brown-skinned Targ

Damn I need more of this

>>25094425
>It's the most civilized and thus safest state on Planetos
>Bravos swagger through Braavos looking to pick fights and prove their skills. Most will fight with little cause or no cause. Anyone carrying a sword after dark in Braavos can be challenged to a duel.
>Ser Herman Rollingford, part of Lord Manfryd Mooton's diplomatic mission to Braavos, was slain in a duel by a bravo who was offended by the color of Herman's doublet.

>>25090513
>only two books
Keep in mind Jon and Arya have only two chapters together and the strongest relationship in the series, I don't think "only two books" (or really only one, you really think Jon and Dany can meet in TWOW?) is as big a problem as you think

>>25094676
dumb
I wanted him to die trying to get Egg out

>>25094910
skill issue

>>25094963
>only two chapters together
Not him but those two chapters carry the weight of their shared childhood together. Jon and Dany meeting will be meeting for the first time and will have lots of baggage to deal with and have politics to do, although ironically I think Night's King larper zombie Jon would probably fall into bed with Dany a lot easier than the "real" Jon. I think the romance could still happen of course but I find it hard to imagine that the two of them just immediately hit it off.

I really, really, really don’t want George to finish the books.

None of you deserve it. Is also really funny seeing you all squirm impatiently.

>>25095101
It would also end an era of religious tier theory crafting. There is a very good chance that David Lightbringer will kill himself if his schizo bullshit doesn’t turn out to be true.

Do we still think the maesters did Summerhall?

>>25094714
>Princess Daisy abs
Anon…

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>>25095177
>Summerhall
just retarded targs doing retarded targ things, no nerd sabotage was required

>>25095177
probably

>>25082683
>He thinks himself as Sam Tarly, but he's really just Aegon IV the Unworthy
>That boy had wanted to be Ser Arthur Dayne, but someplace along the way he had become the Smiling Knight instead.

is there any good fanart of Ashara Dayne?

just give an outline or something at least George what da fuk

>>25095834
you don't like the one on her wiki page?

so...who wrote the pink letter?

>>25094099
if his intended ending was for Arya to beat the Night King then for Dany to go mad for no reason and Drogon to melt the iron throne instead of Jon then I'm glad the ending was publically shamed and dragged through the mud

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>>25092773
Wherever Blackfish is going, I'm following.
>>25093080
It's a gay reason but I like having the visual representations of my characters and landscapes that CK3 offers.
>>25093155
Seems like updates are very slow.
>>25094676
I don't give a fuck because it matters absolutely 0 percent if we never get the two last main line books anyway.
>>25095914
The only reason he would get cold feet about his ending is if it is so close to the show ending that readers wouldn't feel any closure on the big plot threads so him being scared to release it is a gigantic self-report.

>>25095874
i want to see fanart of her spread legs

>>25088691
i actually land all my family and dynasty members. i make wars, land my dynasty then make them independent.
as long as your own demesne is powerful and your courtiers love you, they can do fuck all but seethe.

>>25088700
> That night Daario had her every way a man can have a woman, and she gave herself to him willingly. The last time, as the sun was coming up, she used her mouth to make him hard again, as Doreah had taught her long ago, then rode him so wildly that his wound began to bleed again, and for one sweet heartbeat she could not tell whether he was inside of her, or her inside of him.
> But when the sun rose upon her wedding day so did Daario Naharis, donning his clothes and buckling on his sword belt with its gleaming golden wantons. “Where are you going?” Dany asked him. “I forbid you to make a sortie today.”
> “My queen is cruel,” her captain said. “If I cannot slay your foes, how shall I amuse myself whilst you are being wed?”
> “By nightfall I shall have no foes.”
> “It is only dawn, sweet queen. The day is long. Time enough for one last sortie. I will bring you back the head of Brown Ben Plumm for a wedding gift.”
> “No heads,” Dany insisted. “Once you brought me flowers.”
> “Let Hizdahr bring you flowers. He is not one to stoop and pluck a dandelion, true, but he has servants who will be pleased to do it for him. Do I have your leave to go?”
> “No.” She wanted him to stay and hold her. One day he will go and not return, she thought. One day some archer will put an arrow through his chest, or ten men will fall on him with spears and swords and axes, ten would-be heroes. Five of them would die, but that would not make her grief easier to bear. One day I will lose him, as I lost my sun-and-stars. But please gods, not today. “Come back to bed and kiss me.” No one had ever kissed her like Daario Naharis. “I am your queen, and I command you to fuck me.”
> She had meant it playfully, but Daario’s eyes hardened at her words. “Fucking queens is king’s work. Your noble Hizdahr can attend to that, once you’re wed. And if he proves to be too highborn for such sweaty work, he has servants who will be pleased to do that for him as well. Or perhaps you can call the Dornish boy into your bed, and his pretty friend as well, why not?” He strode from the bedchamber.

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Suppose we give GRRM the W on his tax policy speech; GRRM wanted Aragorn's reign to conclude and Gondor to slide out of control without its moral compass. That is exactly the 15 years leading up to the death of Robert. The righteous cause successfully ousted the evil king, a righteous king is installed, the realm knows a peace it hasn't seen in a lifetime. Even Barristan Selmy will vouch that Robert's reign was better vibe than Jaehaerys II. Everyone felt confident in Robert, he wasn't going to hurt them and he could definitely put down any threat. Of course Robert is blind to the poison of the court, especially Varys and Littlefinger. The entire book series is then framed as all the aftermath of the good king, and how the kingdom can either fix itself or manage its decline. GRRM can die with those 2 books missing and everyone can figure out the outcome is going to be a mix.

What doesn't make sense is The Others. Where the fuck did GRRM pull that from, and why did GRRM shove that into his tax policy wager? He didn't mention anything about a second Sauron in that interview response. Tolkien didn't suggest there would be another evil menace like Sauron. So why did GRRM feel the need to challenge himself with adding this overwhelming supernatural threat to mankind? GRRM is obviously going to die before finishing the books, so we're never getting his ending to The Other plotline. The problem really is that GRRM hasn't even bothered to explain what The Other even is. So we're getting a bunch of nonsense we did not ask for, and this nonsense is ultimately what shut down GRRM's authoring and made him crash the fuck out. People want to know your mental problem over Others and magic that started this series more than they want the ending. If we know what the Others are, then we can cope without the end like we cope with the unresolved kingdom politics.

>>25089281
kek lady Dustin chapter is great

>>25089971
i remember reading the chat long ago but didn't she tell him not to kys himself then later on he tells her he wants to join her and she just agrees with him?

>>25092773
joining the spears at Dorne. getting paid with no fighting.

>>25093636
>The madness of Targaryens is overblown
true
>Aerys II was a unique combination of psychopathy and a declining ability to function in daily life.
false.
Aerys wasn't mad.
>they WERE out to get him
>it WAS a traitors' tourney
>Tywin couldn't be trusted
>burn them all

>>25093669
maester propaganda

>>25093843
what's stopping him from cutting that shit out and then releasing it as their standalone books in the same universe and timeline?

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>>25096034
>female protagonist is an std ridden whore that's been ravaged by dothraki horselords, tyroshi sellswords and ghiscari slavers

>>25094910

The same shit can happen in Westeros, where the law is whatever the local lord deems it to be.

According to George we haven’t seen a true wizard yet. He said Melisandre “just isn’t” a wizard, when someone compared her to Saruman.

What would meet the criteria? An ancient Greenseer? Some Valyrian? Something completely alien?

>>25087915
>Ban interbreeding
Musn't be done, the purity of the Blood of the Dragon must remain.
To mitigate the side effects of interbreeding, I'd permit intermarriage up to 2nd-cousins. Houses Velaryon and Celtigar are also of Old Valyria so marrying some of the royals to them could be beneficial.

>>25096460
>yet
he's planning to introduce one?
isn't he all about magic is unpredictable and all that shit?

>>25095177
Aegon definitely did Summerhall and the big spoiler of Duncan surviving proves that. I don't think a 70+ year old Dunk escapes without being told beforehand what's about to happen by Egg

>>25096460
need full quote for context but they just might not exist like that

>>25087915
>maintain incest, as there's no clear evidence that it has uniquely deleterious effects when even relatively outbred Targs like Aerion still went totally mad while Rhaegar was the most inbred since the Dance and came out great. And also it's clearly very necessary for dragon taming which ought to be the house's long term ambition
>start some sort of initiative to bring back the dragons (e.g. by building a library of sources from around the world, educating princes who show an academic inclination from an early age in the issue)
>have a lot of children, and encourage my kids and any relatives to do the same
>as a general rule, have roughly half the children marry within the family and half of them marry outward with an emphasis on marrying within the line of succession for both the boys and girls, even if that means settling for a relatively low ranking house.
>ideally I can build family ties to many of the great houses, and, failing that, create a dispersed group of extremely loyal high lords that will wield influence locally and make it difficult for an ambitious lord paramount to oppose the crown

>expand the crown's holdings in the Crownlands, to the point of outright seizing castles on vague pretenses (assuming they don't have allies among the stronger houses and it's sporadic enough to avoid making other lords think that they'll be next even if they don't speak up)
>assemble a few dozen younger sons from wealthy merchant families and noble houses from around the continent and form a semi-meritocratic institution of royal bailiffs to administer these territories, and gradually begin instructing them to intervene in the governance of cities in the region that aren't directly held by the crown
>make them swear an oath to the king and my heirs, nothing like the kingsguard but something that establishes that any corruption, embezzlement, or egregious disobedience will be met with the death penalty
>pay them excellent salaries (maybe even with a lordship being possible for outstanding performance) and create some sort of prestigious uniform that clearly delineates their status as a direct representative of the crown
>rotate them around between positions a decent amount, i.e. every 5-10 years—in theory they should have immense individual power without any hierarchical structure, so any disputes go to the king and the small council rather than a middle manager but maybe create another small council position or two to accommodate this
>if/when other kingdoms emulate this, offer royal support for their endeavors and supply officials from this program in an "advisory" context, but stress that the lords paramount must still respect the king's peace and the traditional rights of lords.

So ultimate goals here are:
>(A) restoration of the dragons if possible
>(B) creation of a strong central government in the crownlands that can raise more taxes and troops from its populace, with slowly-growing tendrils of control throughout the continent

Does anyone else despise HBO's spin off shows like myself because they love the series so much? I feel like house of the dragon and knight of the seven kingdoms should not have been made and further reduces ASOIAF.

>>25096737
>Rhaegar came out great
>educating princes who show an academic inclination from an early age
>have a lot of children
>an emphasis on marrying within the line of succession
>outright seizing castles on vague pretenses
>form a semi-meritocratic institution of royal bailiffs
>pay them excellent salaries
bro is speedrunning dynastic downfall

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Do you think she'll find out that R+L=J and Ned was lying the whole time about his infidelity?

>>25096933
I think so, I don’t know if there is a lot more to unpack with Catelyn’s character. However, her animosity and pain and desire for retribution needs to be brought full circle, and that end will come with the start: Jon Snow, her late husband’s Bastard. The Brotherhood without Banners is also a persistent group of characters throughout the book, and Dondarrian’s merry band are a constant in the minds of those ruling Kings Landing. They either need to be brought to justice, or enmeshed in the greater machinations of the plot to reach a conclusion - i.e. whatever is coming out of the North

The release of Winds of Winter will be one of the biggest cultural moments we will ever experience in our lives. It's pretty surreal to think about.

>>25096961
Patrick Rothfuss was the herald of GRRM.
Winds is NEVER releasing.

>>25096961
i dont think so, I think most the fans moved on. It's a new breed that don't care for the books.

>>25089456
I've had these at the well respected dining hall known as "Subways" and I'm not really fond of them but can see how George's fat ass is, they're sweet and fried as fuck

>>25097021
>ADWD was 2011 with cliffhanger endings
Why do these fantasy authors refuse to admit they're not going to finish their series?

>>25096693
>but they just might not exist like that
Unlikely. There’s an intelligence to the magic. Whatever is behind it would likely suffice. It’s probably not even remotely human.

>>25092722
Why did it generate a Republican Fox News milf

>>25096833
I don't despise AKOTSK but I am unimpressed by it, basically every change to the source material has worsened it and the focus on comedy keeps undercutting the drama which is a shame because it hits those dramatic beats quite well. Overall though I agree, they are milking the IP into nothing and will continue to do so long after GRRM's dead. If you think this is bad wait what they'll be doing in ten years. God knows who will own the rights to the books by then

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>Please unblock spur.us and mcl.io to proceed.
Fucking nigger 4chan
>>25097037
Marisa Tomei is pretty much as far from Republican Fox News Milf as it gets but I see what you're saying.

>>25097059
ASOIAF is medieval without the historical baggage.
Why isn't Guy Gavriel Kay more popular with adaptations?

>greyjoys get 4 pov characters
>tyrells get 0

What is this injustice?

>>25097059
>>25097029
I wish they would have just let it die and never made house of the dragon or dunk and egg. I would rather my last memory be Dance of Dragon. I like the mystery of George's world. Not have Starwars tier spin offs made for everything. Really in the history of westeros, it's just George repeating the same old tropes from the backdrop of the first books, only cheaper in quality and writing.

>>25097102
What do you mean by historical baggage? History of England is far more interesting than anything GRRM has put to paper. The actual story of Britain is stranger than fiction.

>>25097154
Majority viewers don't care for historical autism. They want medieval theme shows. Not medieval history shows.

>>25097166
GRRM fails in most ways to be historical. There is nothing historical about westeros. It misses the mark on most portrayals of medieval society. Just say what it is, which is fantasy. Don't act like it's some kind of supplement.

>>25097171
>medieval THEME

I'm so fucking angry. George is a cocksucker for not finishing. Fuck these HBO shows. Fuck dunk and egg. I don't care. It's just fluff.

>>25097154
No one cares about British history. You won't see the kind of passion folks in these communities have when discussing ASOIAF compared to your history club gatherings.

>>25097241
What history club gatherings? Knowing about the history means you are white. Stupid AI prompt retard. NIGGER

>>25097238
Indeed. I just want Winds. I need to see Bolton and Frey heads torn off their shoulders at the very least. Get that smug smile off the flayed man's face.

>>25097243
On leddit. The place where you have so much fun digging into British history.

>>25096737
>outright seizing castles on vague pretenses
This is such a retarded idea that you'd have the entirety of the Crownlands rising up against your blatant tyranny. You would have no allies and would be swiftly deposed. You've been playing too much CK3.

>>25097274
if you read the books you would know the crownlands don't matter... they are all a bunch of weak sycophants

>>25097127
We're getting Garlan Tyrell chapters in winds

>>25097360
Didn't a crownlander house kidnap the last Targaryen king?

>>25097385
Duskendale was a town without a port status, it could get ships but paid a steep price, so its lord Darklyn petitioned the king for the charter so trade would be direct to his port. The Hand, Tywin, refused, because he saw no reason to diminish King's Landing so a vassal lord could profit. This lord then stopped paying his taxes and requested that Aerys negotiate with him at Duskendale. Aerys wanted to refuse, but because Tywin said to refuse, Aerys went against Tywin and went to Duskendale. Of course it was a trap that imprisoned the king. Tywin wanted to siege right away. Barristan Selmy told Tywin he would rescue the king before Tywin sent the army in for a siege. Tywin had to agree, but it turns out Barristan Selmy pulled off a Solid Snake heist and saved Aerys. House Darklyn and its kin were wiped off the planet. Aerys believed Rhaegar and Tywin conspired to storm the castle just to get rid of him for Rhaegar to take over. Lord Denys Darklyn was popular to his subjects, but they hated his foreign wife.

Aerys conferred Duskendale to House Rykker, so of course House Rykker fights for Aerys during Robert's Rebellion. Robert allowed House Rykker to remain, but we do not know if Lord Renfred Rykker is the same lord that gained the land and quipped that Tywin shits gold. So it seems that when a lord openly rebels against his king and even captures the king, it's an easy assumption that house will get wiped out if it cannot win its rebellion. Killing the king is probably the fastest out because then the lord personally nullified the king's decision that the next king would be escalating if he punishes that lord. Lord Peake killed Maekar I by rock, so Aegon V would be overdoing it if he continued the war. Jon Arryn learned that if you aim at the king you better not miss. That's why with Lord Rickard Stark's execution, Lords Arryn, Tully, and Baratheon had strong evidence to believe they were next if they didn't join forces with Ned to kill the king.

Ser Bonifer Hasty + Rhaella Targaryen = Daenerys

>>25097636
DNA prove?

>>25095826
>Ser Arthur Dayne (Westerosi Batman)
>Smiling Knight (Westerosi Jokers)
We need ASOIAF open world games using Arkham engine.

>>25097243
>What history club gatherings
And for all of our The Rest is History club members and chat community, you can head over to our next bonus episode where we discuss…

Winds of Winter.....

>>25097360
Where do you think the Targs get the majority of their manpower during war? Not from King's Landing alone. Trying to arbitrarily revoke land and castles is worst than the deeds that caused the Usurper's Rebellion. The idea is still retarded.

>>25086872

The more I read AGoT the more I realise that Martin finishing the books is impossible.

It's quite obvious while reading this with years of hindsight after the show that Dany was meant to be this saviour figure against the tyranny of the highlords and slavers. And having her become a tyrant in this pursuit would've been the postmodern/nihilist/cynical thing to do. Which is Martin's M.O.

Except, now you don't have a story to tell anymore. You've subverted any point your own story could've been making. For the longest time I thought that millenial normie's outrage at Dany turning evil was cringe af. I used to believe that Dany in the books is not as much of a saviour as in the show, that her downfall was adequately foreshadowed and that it could've worked if the show executed it better. But this was never meant to be. Poor execution aside, the show did exactly what Martin intented.

No wonder Martin doesn't want to write this shit anymore. His ultimate subversion fell on it's face as it turns out people still want a meaningful narrative .

We will get the Winds of Winter in some form. That much is true.

>>25096038
George was autistically fixated on english history like the War of the Roses that inspired things like the Dance of Dragons and the War of the Five Kings, and so, subsequently was butthurt about Tolkien's quintissential "good vs evil" not going into the details of ruling a kingdom and was extra mad everyone loved it
despite this, he also knew that no one would buy a fantasy book that only followed court politics, it needed a fantastical hook otherwise it wouldn't be fantasy fiction and instead historical fiction which is niche and less likely to pay the bills
to make up for this, in interviews he said he also didn't like evil being evil for evil's sake, he didn't seem to want to make sympathetic evil, but more was interested in creating evil that could have understandable if not morally reprehensible motives
that's why there's ice zombies in his tax policy fanfic
also, is there ever actually a meeting with a major political figure setting their tax policy? George famously asked "what was Aragon's tax policy?" but what was the Mad King's tax policy? what was Aegon the Conqueror's? what was Danerys' tax policy? what was Joffery's?

>>25097698
Daenerys is not cruel, wroth or ruthless. Targ madness is a meme, and the chance of her going tyrant is very miniscule compared what you retarded show watchers believe.

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>>25096127
>George made an accurate female character
bravo George

>>25097706
Viserys also goes mad and cruel after sold his mother’s crown.

>>25097706
>chance of her going tyrant is very miniscule compared what you retarded show watchers believe.

On the contrary show watchers did not expect Dany to go tyrant at all. It came completely out of the left field. And after reading AGoT I can say that their outrage was justified. This was not a matter of bad execution alone. The source material itself is the problem.

This series doesn't have a point to make and it only makes sense that Martin doesn't want to finish this. There is nothing to finish left anymore

>I enjoyed the interview with Dave, and found that all these discussions gave me a lot of food for thought. Maybe once I finish A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE, I will do a legal thriller set in the Seven Kingdoms next. John Grisham meets J.R.R. Tolkien, as they'd say in Hollywood.
- George R. R. Martin 2007

https://grrm.livejournal.com/28330.html

There are no true wizards in asoiaf because magic isn’t something you can truly control or understand. If some alien landed and explained everything it would ruin the mystery—unless that alien also played along.

>>25097274
He basically describes the process through which every successful European kingdom centralized in the 15th-17th centuries. Unless it's done in a totally incompetent and blatantly tyrannical manner there wouldn't be much of a cascade effect. And a minor revolt only further serves the crown's interest by allowing it to seize traitors' lands, keeping some for itself and distributing the rest to loyalists so the crown is in a stronger position for the next revolt.

>>25097810
>I will do a legal thriller set in the Seven Kingdoms next
City Watch version of Cops
“We’ve heard reports of toes being seen in the pots of brown”

>>25098063
Magic’s an asshole. The only people we’ve seen it truly “favour” (to the point where sorcerous infrastructure could be put into place) were the Valyrians. Every other instance it’s a total dick. Even to the children of the forest.

How much do you want to bet that Valyria was already waning before the Doom and the dragon families probably forgot how important their magic volcanoes were

>>25098081
Nobody listens to the wizard-priests until it’s too late…

>>25094714
Brown skin and light hair/eyes are peak. Wish they didn't use actors with negroid features tho. Should have used sand nigs or latinx.

>>25097610
>Aerys wanted to refuse, but because Tywin said to refuse, Aerys went against Tywin and went to Duskendale
Why was Aerys such a contrarian?

>>25097698
Daenerys isn't good or evil, she's a naiive teen girl with the in-universe equivalent of nuclear weapons
>Dany was meant to be this saviour figure against the tyranny of the highlords and slavers
Martin's original outline from the 90s had Daenerys leading 'barbarians' and fighting in an antagonistic role against the Seven Kingdoms:
>While the lion of Lannister and the direwolf of Stark snarl and scrap, however, a second and greater threat takes shape across the narrow sea, where the Dothraki horselords mass their barbarian hordes for a great invasion of the Seven Kingdoms, led by the fierce and beautiful Daenerys Stormborn, the last of the Targaryen dragonlords. The Dothraki invasion will be the central story of my second volume, A Dance with Dragons.
This plan changed over time as GRRM made Dany more sympathetic, but she's ultimately still going to be an antagonist by the end of the story, hence why sinister characters like Euron, Daario, Illyrio, Quaithe, Marwyn, and Tyrion are trying to manipulate her for their own ends

>>25098238
I’d be much more interested in Euron being the Big Bad guy. I like the idea of some asshole waking up a sleeping God from beyond the wall, or the bottom of the Earth.

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I just finished reading The Worm Ouroboros by E.R. Eddison
I can say I now understand what GRRM was trying to do with Brian, there's are couple of paragraphs (just a couple) describing Gorice XII as a proto-king-brian
sadly, what came easy to Eddison would be very hard work for GRRM (it should probably be the A plot, at least the prime side-plot, not the almost forgot plot he has going on now)

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I have finally let go of hope for Winds. George looks really slow and frail in his latest interview with the RSC. I hope he enjoys whatever time he’s got left and I’m extremely grateful for what he gave us.

what are your favorite asoiaf fanfics? ive been on a binge lately, ill recommend these 2
>Reborn in a Cruel World
Maegor the Cruel SI, modern guy that read the books reincarnates as Aegon the Conqueror's second son. Maegor eventually goes over to Essos to conquer and leaves Westeros to Aenys' line. The main source of conflict is between the women much like HotD
>A Falcon of Summer
Jon Arryn has a healthy son older than that retard Sweetrobin. Lots of differences from canon GoT that are fun to read about. Joffrey gets disinherited, Myrcella betrothed to MC Arryn, Cersei completely unhinged, Tywin becomes Lord Commander of the Wall, Bran does some crazy greenseer shit, Robert goes to Essos and gets named Blessed of the Seven

almost forgot this one, number 3
>Raiders of the Lost City
Gerion Lannister's shipwreck is believed to be found, Tywin thinks he found Brightroar the Valyrian steel sword. He sends Tyrion on a voyage to Gogossos the city of fleshsmiths in Sothoryo the green jungle hell. He goes with The Hound, Davos Seaworth, Asha Greyjoy, Bronn, ex-maester Qyburn
This one has the most well-written prose and the original story is like an Indiana Jones adventure

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Euron never recovered from this.

>>25098888
>I'm almost done writing TWOW - GRRM (2015)
>Have You? - the Reader asked, so softly

I saw a theory that George loving AKOTSK so much and being weirdly radio silent in his blog, means that maybe akotsk inspired him and he's hit a new creative path again

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Euron’s death will be like Facilier’s, he will keep doing increasingly powerful, and therefore increasingly dangerous, rituals until he gets to the one that he thinks will make him a god, but Sam will obtain some secret knowledge, sneak up and change/ruin some critical component and Euron will be annihilated by his own magic in gruesome fashion. Perhaps the ghosts of all his past sacrifices will return and tear him apart as he finally learns how it feels to be powerless to stop his own demise.

>>25099145
Isn’t he trying to summon a kraken/sea God in Winds? My guess is he’s going to get eaten or Ahab’ed by whatever eldritch creature he tries to use

This is going to sound stupid but do you guys have reading strategies. Like do you read a chapter at a time, a few paragraphs, or what? I genuinely don't read much and when I do I get distracted easily. I want to read Fire & Blood. I read asoiaf when I was a kid but remember nothing other than the actual show

>>25099185
>I genuinely don't read much
average /lit/ poster

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>>25098784
It's over...

>>25099185
When I get into a book series I enter an obsessive-compulsive state. All my free time is taken up by reading, and a lot of my unfree time is also taken up by reading. I don't feel at at peace until I reach the end. Reading Wheel of Time was a nightmare. Maybe if I was employed things would be different, or maybe I'm unemployed because of whatever causes this behaviour.

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What do they eat?

>>25099049
either that or he sees one of his works being realized in a way he truly wants and is quietly slipping into his death

>>25099185
I usually read before going to bed as it helps me unwind and relaxes my mind, and when I read normally I'll either read a few chapters at a time or if it really hooks me, I'll read a lot, realize I need to sleep, get to the end of the chapter to satisfy my brain then go to sleep

>>25099321
Cod

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>>25098784
I stopped giving a shit about whatever gurm won't write in 2020 - I'll stick to digging through fanfictions for the good ones because at least those are fucking finished.

>>25098790
Lord forgive me but I have a soft spot for Sansa Stark stories and have quite enjoyed "A Home That Won't Explode" on ao3. Sandor sneaks back into Kings Landing and kidnaps/rescues Sansa just after Joffrey is poisoned, and hides with her in the woods - it's an almost domestic story so far.

>>25099177
exactly
this is pretty clear for anyone who read the worm ouroboros

House Darklyn had seven sons sworn as members of the kingsguard, the most than any other house. Those sons are remembered only in the now extinct house's coat of arms by seven white escutcheons. The house served their kings well up until the defiance of Duskendale.

>>25099185
I just avoid all the screens after 9PM and read at least for an hour or two before bed everyday. Like most things, it gets easier when you make a habit of it.

>>25097706
>Drogo, go enslave tens of thousands of innocent people and invade the (currently peaceful) Westeros with thirty thousand barbarian rapists and murderers because I really want to sit on the cool chair
>Daenerys is not cruel, wroth or ruthless
Sympathetic self-pitying POV is one hell of a drug.

That myrish pussy is just too good

>>25087189
Weren’t Robert and Ned the only people who though Lyanna was particularly beautiful? Everybody else describes her as thin, long-faced and plain, maybe with some “wild beauty” due to her stubborn, capricious nature.

>>25099681
>They were almost at the end now, and Bran felt a sadness creeping over him. "And there's my grandfather, Lord Rickard, who was beheaded by Mad King Aerys. His daughter Lyanna and his son Brandon are in the tombs beside him. Not me, another Brandon, my father's brother. They're not supposed to have statues, that's only for the lords and the kings, but my father loved them so much he had them done."

>"The maid's a fair one," Osha said.

>>25099177
Yeah, that too. I just think it’s gonna be because of the intervention of a viewpoint character at the last minute, not by any direct failing of his own. I think it would be less satisfying that way.

>>25099703
“Fair” is VERY far from “one of the most beautiful women in Westeros”. Half of the girls in ASOIAF are described as decently good looking by one person or another.

>>25098238
>, but she's ultimately still going to be an antagonist by

Which is PRECISELY why Martin simply cannot finish this series. It doesn't have a core message. Once he has already made an antagonist out of the slave liberator in his story, you are left with nothing but empty air.

>>25099711
>Half of the girls in ASOIAF are described as decently good looking
not good looking enough for men to go to war over them though

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>>25096127
... and later she fucks her blood relative as well. Her being barren is the only reason she is not a single mom in the 2nd book

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FuGgJS3Uv7w

Aegon II kino incoming

>>25099638
What if I read with my phone? It's a pixel fold 10 so it unfolds into a nice reading tablet. I do know about not looking at screens late and I want to abide by that. I want to get to be by 11-11:30, but I intended to read from 10:30 onwards on my phone. I could always buy some of the books but reading physical books can get uncomfortable very quickly and it's hard to find a good position to read in.

Also I'm reading Fire & Blood, pretty early on, page 166. King Aenys is a BITCH. Rhaena chads where you at

The winds blow...the winds of....

What are some fun misconceptions that far east Essosi could have about the Westeros people

Pet lions that shit gold, north full of roaming half-wolf cavemen, that sort of thing

Can we see the backstory of Dick Bean please?

>>25100520
they hear that their ruled by incestuous kings for 300 years so they probably think its tradition for them to fuck their family and probably imagine the majority of the population as malformed creatures as a result of the incest

>"Bran?" It was Meera's voice. "You were thrashing, making terrible noises. What did you see?"

>"Winterfell." His tongue felt strange and thick in his mouth. One day when I come back I won't know how to talk anymore.

Unlike Summer, Ghost cannot vocalize at all so the risk of speech impairment should be even greater for Jon no? He also has a throat wound.

>>25100822
Yeah, Lady Stoneheart is also mute.

>>25099703
When Osha become queen in the north?

Works/authors similar to GRRM in the sense of providing small little details spread out over hundreds of pages that you can take and make a one hour long theory/speculation video about?

>>25101130
Morrowind and the Kirkbride cum guzzlers

>>25101198
Jon is the Nerevarine UwU

>>25101130
Brandon Sanderson maybe

>>25096034
goddamn nigga i hate foids

I'm very confused. I know gurm doesn't really do the whole chosen one thing.. but after reading everything, and based on anecdotal info and interviews and whatnot
Duncan is literally just the chosen one and the main character. Everything is based on his actions and we'll likely see that in whatever new dunk and egg books we get.

Can you imagine being Ned and fighting this whole war, losing so many friends, believing that Rhaegar kidnapped your sister and probably raped her? Then you finally win the war and go to save your sister only to find out that not only did she love Rhaegar but she's also dying giving birth to his baby and now you have to burn your honor to keep him alive?
What a fucking run of bad luck
Father dead, brother dead, friends dead, all for nothing and now the rest of your life will be a lie that you yourself are peddling, even to your own wife who will now resent you because she thinks you were unfaithful

>>25099723
>It doesn't have a core message
The message is that coming from a special bloodline doesn't give you justification to seek power to dominate the world.
It's why Jon will refuse the throne at the end of the series, while Daenerys will die due to her asprations for power
>Once he has already made an antagonist out of the slave liberator in his story
That's stupid. Can a character not liberate slaves and also cause wars that leave many people dead?
If she was just flat out evil then it wouldn't be interesting

I don't think I've disliked a character more than Rogar Baratheon
Holy fuck what a piece of shit this guy is
Also is it pronounced Row-gar or Roger
I'm pretty sure it's Roger but I always pronounce it as the former in my head

>>25101648
Raw-jar

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>>25089971

>>25101424
He doesn't do that for asoiaf but dunk and egg? That's different

>>25101648
Rowe Gur

>>25101648
>Row-gar
it should be this, but based george probably intended it as just roger

>>25102278
He probably says rugger or something

>>25101648
Ruh gahr

While we're on the topic of names. I don't see why Maegor and Maekar are two different names. That should be the same name.

>>25102288
no they shouldn't be

Tywin did nothing wrong.

>>25102295
I think they should

>>25102299
ignorant bastard

>>25102303
How?

>>25102309
sometimes you can have names with the same prefix, they don't all need to be the same name

>>25102312
It's not the prefix that's the problem it's the suffixes. "gor" and "kar" are too similar. Granted one of the names could be a dimunitive or shortening of another name that originally had another element in the name. Let's say Maekar was short of Maehaekar or something.

>>25101554
Knowing this, you can see that Ned was basically checking out during the events of the first book, Joffrey was his suicide ticket.

ok how many of you are biologically men in here? i thought most men didnt read fiction according to leftoids

>>25102375
men that do read fiction tend to gravitate towards litfic (dead market) and scifi/fantasy/horror that isn't romantasy-adjacent so it's not surprising that men like this series

>>25098784
>I have finally let go of hope for Winds.
teach me your ways, O great Chuddha!
>>25101554
>Her brother Rhaegar battling the Usurper in the bloody waters of the Trident and dying for the woman he loved.
-first Dany chapter
the raping is Baratheon propaganda.

How many Targaryens could the Faceless Men kill before they (the Targaryens) figured out what was happening?

The F&B book implies the Sealord of Braavos would send them after the Targaryens had they nuked his city with dragonflame. The Faceless would have nothing else to lose by that point.

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>>25102337
>"gor" and "kar" are too similar.
I can't tell if you're an ESL or were just dropped on your head as a kid

>>25102607
most likely an ESL. several languages have the boundaries between K and G blurred and sometimes either works just fine.
and O and A also similarly have blurred lines in English.

>>25102590
They already infiltrated the higher ranks of Targ society and blew up the volcanos.

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>Rules for 20 years
>one of the longest, most peaceful eras in Westerosi history in 10 000 years
>handsome, charming young man
>war veteran
>baller ass tourneys
>best Kingsguard in history
>alpha who fucks your girl because he can and you, a beta loser won't stop him
>cool ass dragon heraldry
>takes decisive action (Starks should've known their place. Who are they to stand up to the king? Traitorous cousin fuckers anyway.)
Honestly, he wasn't that bad

>best kingsguard in history
Pate the Woodcock would mop the floor with every kingsguard ever.

>>25102375
I'm a trans female and my favorite character is Brienne.

>>25102872
You don't count. You were born with the mental urge to post on 4chan. Even born women who post on 4chan are men in mentality.

Someone do an ASOIAF quest
>>>/qst/

>>25097810
It's painful reading how much he wanted to do and seeing how much he has failed to do any of it.

Are 4 pages really that much?
Can any other KG get close to that ever?