>>43035979
is there anything andy price understand the appeal of on an intellectual level

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>"HI ANDY!"

>>43035979
>a character so dogshit
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Trixie's character.
You don't even need to be super smart or anything, you just need to reject late season crap involving her.

He's clearly saying he likes her as a villain.

>>43035987
Ok, ignoring everything after Magic Duel, we have two whole appearances of her. In those two appearances, Trixie:
>has an insufferable personality with zero redeeming qualities
>is a bully that talks shit and flips out when challenged
>is a sperg that goes out of her way to try and ruin someone's life for saving her out of petty "revenge" and wastes hundreds of bits to do so
What a great character. Her later appearances don't make her any better, so I don't know why you want to occlude those as if they ruined a good character when they did nothing and she stayed a one-note nothingburger character.

>>43036000
>>has an insufferable personality
It's literally her job as a magician to behave as if she is better than everyone else.
You didn't attend a single live performance, did you?

>with zero redeeming qualities
She gives ponies a show and gets money for it. It's the market who decides what has quality and what hasn't.

>is a bully that talks shit and flips out when challenged
Dealing with naysayers 101:
>Magicians deal with naysayers, hecklers, and "know-it-alls" through a combination of audience management, psychological techniques, and planned, polite, or witty responses designed to maintain control of the performance. The overarching goal is to keep the audience entertained without letting one disruptive person ruin the experience.

>is a sperg that goes out of her way to try and ruin someone's life for saving her out of petty "revenge" and wastes hundreds of bits to do so
Her reputation was ruined and she lost her whole career decided by her cutie mark talent.
Do you think anyone would took this lightly?

>>43035979
If Trixie wasn't pretty everyone would hate her.

>>43036042
>It's literally her job as a magician to behave as if she is better than everyone else.
Her wagon, thus her home, was also destroyed by a pair of retarded colts who lured an Ursa to town just because Trixie did her job and did it well too.

>>43036042
>It's literally her job as a magician to behave as if she is better than everyone else.
It's this same song and dance all the time.
The show makes it very clear that's not just her "stage persona", that's her actual personality, that's how she acts. She's a narcissist.
>Her reputation was ruined and she lost her whole career decided by her cutie mark talent. Do you think anyone would took this lightly?
Her "reputation" and "career" was built around bullying others and putting others below her, if it really was just an act than I would be more sympathetic, but we've already established that's not the case. And seeking out an ancient amulet
to get "revenge" on someone who had to fix your bullshit is the dogshit motivation to become evil ever.

>>43036045
She has a damn good design, too bad they put all the effort into her and design and not her actual character.

>>43036042
>It's the market who decides what has quality and what hasn't.
The market decided that someone who would lie about something as serious as defeating an Ursa Major was nopony worth interacting with.

I want Trixie to sit on my face

>>43036059
>magicians lie for the show
Holy shit, Anon, did you know that water is wet?

>>43036064
Apparently Equestria considers lying about that to be a big deal! Take it up with all the ponies in Equestria, not me.

>>43036042
Trixie actually flipped her shit and heckled her own audience.
>lost her whole career decided by her cutie mark talent
Cutie marks are not jobs, they're talents with flexible meanings and applications. She can still do foal parties as a clown, wrangle pigs with her rope tricks, or make a cock disappear instead of being a street performer.

>>43036059
>>43036065
To be fair, you defeating someone once doesn't mean that you can defeat them again when you are completely unprepared. That's like expecting a caveman to defeat a mammoth in a fair fight just because he trapped them before.
The writers really painted ponies as retards who don't understand nuances.

>>43036063
To latte, shes sitinh on my faace as we spekl

Sorry for the typos, I couldn't see behind her great and powerful ass

>>43036103
Well, see, whether or not she needed preparations to defeat him or not is irrelevant because she in the episode admitted to being a liar and then the ponies who heard that admission spread it.

>>43035979
>IDW
It's alright, we don't like their shitty fanfics anyway

>>43035979
But enough about Glimmer

Trixie is a stupid bitch
Andy Price is a stupid bitch
OP is a stupid bitch

All of these can be true at once

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>>43036439

>Twilight is a shitty mary sue mind-rapist groomer pedophile dictator
>Rarity is a slutty gold-digging manipulative snob
>Dash is a retarded lazy inconsiderate ecoterrorist and all around turbocunt
>Fluttershy is a two-faced schizophrenic simp for the shittiest character in the show
>Pinkie is a screeching obnoxious bitch with the brainpower of a toddler that always has to get her way or she'll start moping like an emo tween until she does out of pity
>Applejack is a boring nothing character that offers literally nothing of interest in any story beyond the same "muh appuls, muh family, muh tradition" shit that was played out within one season of her loathsome existence
>Celestia is a pathetic fraud that loses to practically every threat tossed her way including literal snow
>Luna is an irrelevant cuck made to accept that nobody will ever give a shit about her night and also has a tiny butt
>>>Glimmer

Every character is dogshit. Especially YOUR favorite, that's right (You)r favorite! Not mine though.

>>43036509
Who's your favorite?

>>43036512
HER

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>>43036509
>comparing a character that was deliberately made to be nothing but insufferable and hated to the main characters that are supposed to be flawed and relearn the same lessons
not even remotely the same, you might have a case for celestia and luna though, glimmer goes without saying

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>>43036515
oh fair enough then

>>43035987
She was pretty two dimensional early on, her later episodes were what made her more likeable.
>>43036000
>Her later appearances don't make her any better
Yes they do, he even says it himself.
>she was so much more appealing when she was a pain in the ass
>when she was a pain in the ass
>WHEN she WAS a pain in the ass

>>43036581
>being a pathetic pet to Poochie is """better"""

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>>43036581
She's still extremely unlikable even later, they didn't do nearly enough, she's still the same person.

>>43035979
Trixie was definitely better as her own self and an anti-hero than what she became later as the writers pet character's sidekick being her whole personality, yea.

>>43036594
She was never an anti-hero or a hero period, just a cunt. I don't understand why people act like later seasons "butchered her character" when she never had a character to begin with. There was no substance or depth to her before and after Haber.

>>43036593
>She retains this narcissistic personality throughout the entire series, all the way up to S9E20, the sixth episode before the finale.
>S9E20
The entire episode is her being excited because she thinks she'll be her friend's underling.

>>43036042
>those replies
I at least agree with you

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>>43036594
Trixie Dindulamoon fans see her as some sort of anti-hero in the early seasons. It's in the late seasons when she takes on the changelings that she became anything of an anti-hero.
>>43036599
Wrong.

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>>43035979
Holy based

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>>43036785
>Wrong.
It's quite true, Trixie is a bad character.

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>>43036509
>Fluttershy is a two-faced schizophrenic simp for the shittiest character in the show
Angel Bunny is a menace.

Your forced meme is bad and you should feel bad.

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>>43036890
>screencapped regurgitation

>>43036920
>no argument
>basedjak
grim

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>>43036924
I don't argue with voices of the past. You going to post your screencapped essays about how unfair Rainbow Dash and Applejack are while you're at it?

>>43036941
>I don't argue with voices of the past.
Cringe.

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>>43035979
>a comic series so shit that even Hasbro didn't want it anymore

>>43036509
>and also has a tiny butt
But it excites me so!

>>43036042
>It's literally her job as a magician to behave as if she is better than everyone else.
Using real magic to perform fake magic is what only the later seasons introduced.
Her actual "performance" in Boast Busters boiled down to inviting someone else to perform something cool on stage and then humiliating them with something retarded.

>>43037376
I'd want to humiliate an asshole as big as Dash too, to be fair

>>43036509
>>Twilight is a shitty mary sue mind-rapist groomer pedophile dictator
but those are all good qualities

>>43036941
I accept your concession.

>>43036045
perhaps the same could be said of all females

>>43036045
It would make the character more interesting. Compensation for her looks would explain the bravado.

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>>43035979
I only like her because of tamers12345

>>43038749
trixie butt

>>43038749
unf trixie rumpa plap plap plap

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>>43038762
consider suicide

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>>43036581
>>Her later appearances don't make her any better
>Yes they do, he even says it himself.
>>she was so much more appealing when she was a pain in the ass
>>when she was a pain in the ass
>>WHEN she WAS a pain in the ass
I think that’s him saying she got worse when she became nice.

>>43039521
She never became nice, the show tried to act like she was by pairing her with good characters while she acted the exact same.

>>43039538
Nice is relative.

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>>43036077
>Trixie actually flipped her shit and heckled her own audience.
looking at the episode, it was rarity who started it, then applejack and rainbow dash joined in

>>43039615
Rarity and AJ conversating amongst themselves isn't heckling though. If it was this part of an overheard conversation that set her off, then Trixie is truly a fragile idiot that put the breaks on her show for no reason. It's more likely that Rainbow's louder and more direct "Booo!" is what set Trixie off, which lead to RD rushing on stage after Trix calls out a neighsayer, where Trix silences her with her ursa major fib. Here's the thing: Trixie won at this point. The glowering m6 held back, but didn't push any further. Trixie (re)started it because she couldn't let go of a chance to humiliate. When nobody volunteered for her challenge, she shifted to singling out Twilight. Before Twi could concede, she shifted to pushing AJ over the edge with an insult. Essentially, she heckled her audience.

>>43039976
I dislike this more than I dislike Trixie.

>>43039979
It will make you like Trixie more

>>43039976
Wouldn't this just be Tempest 2.0 but with more 'I can save her' shit?

Trixie is a good character. She is written to be a bitch with an ego to disguise her lack of ability and a few glimmers of genuineness inside. Her being a cunt doesn't take away from her being a good character

>>43040913
>Her being a cunt doesn't take away from her being a good character
Her being a cunt betters her character because I love ponies being cunts

>>43035979
>a character so dogshit that even the official comic artist doesn't like her
Yeah, nobody likes OP.

>>43040913
She would be a good character if the show treated her like the cunt that she is by having her stay a villain, but it didn't.

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>>43035979
I only started liking Trixie because of Glimmer. Glim carries her character hard. Although I wish Glimmer had more time with the mane six instead of being wasted on Trixie so much. I don't mind Trixie being a cunt but as pointed out in the thread her first two episodes were so poorly written it didn't leave me with a good impression of her.

>>43040977
>her first two episodes were so poorly written
I mean, they were written to have a dipshit villain and she was very fun in that role.

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>>43039538
Her personality changed pretty significantly by the later episodes. She calmed down with the "great and powerful" stuff to the point where it became more like a funny little gimmick rather than the dominating aspect of her entire being.

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>>43041059
still an insufferable and selfish little cunt, she's the same person at her core.

>>43040983
Dipshit characters are fun. It's just that the execution doesn't do her justice. Some of the mane six had to be hit with the idiot ball to force the conflict. One thing I really hate is how Magic Duel turns the adorable Ponyville citizens into niggers that vandalize and ostracize a poor mare for no reason. Why does Trixie get revenge against the mare that saves her life and not the nigger ponies literally damaging her reputation and property? Why is a stage magician pony jealous of a mage pony being better at magic? The world is based on cutie marks, it's like a farming pony becoming jealous of a rollerblading pony for rollerblading better. The ponies living under Equestria's culture would understand the basic mechanics of cutie marks that affect their strengths and weaknesses. Now that I think about it's mostly Magic Duel that causes me the most rage, Boast Busters can be chalked up to inexperienced writers, but it's Magic Duel that ruins everything.

If you hate anypony you didn't get the message of the show
Rewatch it until you want to be Trixie's friend

>>43041086
Sombra
Chrysalis
Tirek
Cozy Glow
Storm King

What do these names all have in common?

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>>43036000
It's almost like she's supposed to be an antagonist you're not supposed to root for.

>>43041127
I'll root for her anyway because she's cute

>>43041127
that would've been fine if it stayed that way
they shouldn't have brought her back after magic duel, i'd argue even boast busters

>>43041103
that they are all really cool

>>43039489
why

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>>43035979
Trixie fucking sucks and Andy is based.

>>43041139
I agree with you. It felt like they were giving Glimmer random friends or interests to make her seem more interesting, and Trixie got stuck with her because she was a popular side-character.

>>43041178
It wasn't random, it was obviously for the redeemed bad guy connection. Glimmer didn't need Trixie anyway, she was already more interesting than most of the mane six. I hated how Trixie was forced on Glimmer just to give Trixie relevance again. There was no point brining Trixie back other than for the reformed antagonist angle. Glimmer should have had more time with the mane six. Her relationship with Pinkie could have been expanded on and we could have got more cute Marble and Limestone out of it. The dynamic between the Rock Farm and Our Town aren't so different, there's a lot of fun stuff to work with, with any of the m6 really.

>>43041103
Dead as fuck

>>43041239
Maud was pretty random and her love of kites and plants.
>Glimmer was already more interesting than most of the mane six
This is where I stopped reading.

>>43041270
>This is where I stopped reading.
But you referenced something written later in the post...

>>43041275
>It wasn't random
>Maud was pretty random and her love of plants and kites

>>43041267
I want to pick Trixie up so I'm not looking down on her!

>>43041291
No, no uppies for Trixie.

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>>43041306
fuck

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>>43041239
Haber had a hard-on for Trixie for whatever reason. No one gave a fuck about her until then. The m6 were hitting a wall and Starlight could have done a lot to grow their characters. I personally would have liked seeing Glimmy and Dashie together more. They both have the competitive spirit to be the best at what they do for reasons related to their childhoods and they had similar anxieties about performing. I feel they easily have more potential than the Appledash dynamic.

>>43035979
>Trixie was more interesting as an antagonist
I mean, is he wrong?

>>43041278
Maud is an established secondary. A random would be a background pony. Plants and kites are no different than books and dresses.

>>43041380
>Haber had a hard-on for Trixie for whatever reason. No one gave a fuck about her until then.
Obnoxious Trixie simps existed way before S6

>>43041404
I know Trixie had a cult following. I'm talking about the staff.

>>43041387
Yeah, he is. She was funny in her early episodes, but she was a flat character, she didn't really have anything going for her. She became a more interesting character after being reformed.

The decision to make Trixie a school counselor in S9 does not get enough flak for how nonsense it is.

Trixie is the worst possible person to counsel someone out of ALL the characters that aren't just straight-up evil.
Yes, even Starlight herself would be better because she's at least working to understand her own flawed psyche.
Yes, even Rainbow Dash would be better because she's shown the capacity to be supportive to children.
Yes, even actual child characters would be better because they ironically are less prone to temper tantrums.

Trixie has extremely low emotional intelligence, possibly the lowest out of anyone in the show. That basically means she acts on extreme impulse without thinking. She hides her insecurity behind a paper-thin layer of toxicity, lashing out at people when her fragile ego is threatened in casual conversation. Trixie is the kind of girl to yell at you out of nowhere and then demand you forgive her five minutes later. She's the kind of girl to slap her kid in a fit of rage and then cry about it. She's the kind of girll who would expect her partner to read her thoughts and cater to her and would get angry if they don't.

This is not the kind of person who should, or realistically could, be helping someone else with their insecurity and self-doubt, because she desperately needs help with those things herself.

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>>43041413
>"reformed"

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>>43041416
School counselor? Season 9? What are you talking about, anon? It's December 1st and episode 5's about to air!

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>>43041416
You put this to words better than I've struggled to. You just perfectly described exactly why I don't like this character.

>>43041067
No, she wasn't the same as she was at the start of the series, she didn't act the same or talk the same, and she was a friendlier pony.

I think Trixie and Starlight could have more interesting episodes if they didn't get hitched to each other.
I also happen to feel the exact same way about Discord with Spike and Big Mac, and the villain trio.
Late seasons really liked grouping secondary characters together for arbitrary reasons, for which I feel some of their characterization and individuality had to be sacrificed. They would be characterized as either the straight man (Starlight, Spike and Big Mac, Chrysalis and Tirek) or the troublemaker of the group (Trixie, Discord, Cozy) and all their plots would follow similar patterns.

>>43041406
Trixie was a minor antagonist in Rainbow Rocks and appeared in several EqG shorts before No Second Prances, she was always popular and an extremely safe character to have return

>>43041416
>t. Princess Twilight Sparkle, suffering from TDS (Trixie Derangement Syndrome).

In all seriousness though, I do agree that Trixie is a horrendously abysmal choice for that role.
The extra stupid thing is that episode was set up to teach an anti-nepotism lesson, but then just ended with nepotism anyway!

>>43041416
Trixie has incredibly high control of her emotions, but chooses to indulge her temperamental nature. Therefore, she knows to advise kids to do the opposite of what she does, just as Sparkle expects of Glimmer, and Glimmer of her.

>>43041581
>temperamental
>(of a person) liable to unreasonable changes of mood.
If one's mood is not controllable by reason, then that just leaves emotion. That means you would be saying that trixie lets her emotions control her mood, and calling that control.

So what are you talking about? What is a single scene in the show where trixie controls her emotions in any way? Pick one.

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>>43041581
>Trixie has incredibly high control of her emotions

>>43041714
Trixie overhears the m6 talking bad about her. She feels anger, and reasons baiting them into humiliation is the best course of action. Self control does not equate to being emotionless.

>>43041769
>she feels anger and decides to act on that anger
Not seeing any evidence of self-control there.

>>43041793
>decides to act
Nothing you said evidences a loss of control there.

>>43041416
Alright, I'm an avowed Trixie enjoyer but you are speaking pure truth right now.
Trixie getting a job at the school? Sure, whatever, the school is already everything wrong with the later seasons but we're stuck with it. But counselor is a bad choice- she has ZERO experience with that, on top of having a poor temperament for that kind of job. Starlight doesn't have any qualifications either, but at least she's a 3smart5me manipulator so that's SOMETHING.
Trixie should've gotten a job as a gym teacher, or the shop class, or even fucking chemistry. She has extensive, onscreen experience with hard physical activity, sleight of hoof routines, building and maintaining mechanical things and I think she makes her own fireworks too? Granted they're shitty bundles of OSHA violations but she hasn't killed herself yet and that's about as much chemistry knowledge as Starlight has psychology training.

>>43041800
Then it's worthless for either argument and there's no point in bringing it up. She loses control of her emotions when she admits to being a liar later on in the episode and that's the only moment that can be definitively proven one way or another, all other moments leave ambiguity as to whether or not she's in control of her actions. So, it is fair to say that she's more well-known for losing control than she is for controlling herself.

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From the looks of everyone here, I'd say everyone likes Trixie in reality. As a reminder, the more one talks about a something they claim to "dislike/hate", in reality they like them.

Pic related is who I hate but unlike everyone else, I keep my mouth shut.

>>43041901
Discussion about characters is just fun, regardless of whether you like/dislike or think they're a good/bad character.

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>>43041816
If that's your procedure, then nobody is qualified to run the school, most of all the mane6, since they are more well known for losing control than for controlling themselves. Remember, we love them because they're crazy.

>>43042073
I mean, if you're making the argument that all of Trixie's bad behavior is something that she rationally decides to do and that she's very in control of herself, that's far more disqualifying than having a few bad days and feeling bad about it after.

>>43042079
That can be true if you stick to the belief that a pony would apply her own adult standards to the very same students she mentors. Better not let Rainbow Dash around the kids with her cider addiction.

Trixie became the guidance counselor because she's very childlike, so she's able to relate to the students better.

>>43042125
Never become a counselor.

>>43042125
Being socially retarded is usually an advantage in equine society

>>43042096
Rainbow was a shit teacher. There's an episode about this, or a few. That's not because of her drinking habit, which is metaphorical anyway. It's because she's a retard with no emotional maturity, self awareness, or self control. Even with all that, it wasn't an issue until she failed to empathize with her students. The bitch failed at teaching P.E..

If this was real life, a drinking problem would be a reason to remove a teacher. However, extreme love of drink outside of business hours is not, up until it causes reputational damage to the institution.

However, trixie isn't being evaluated as a teacher. She's being evaluated as a counselor. A counselor's primary objective is not to communicate information to a captive audience. Their exact point is to help students with their personal problems. The negative traits of trixie and rainbow are bad for teaching, but are disqualifying for a counselor.

>non of the ms are known for control
Rarity is. It takes self control to stop your emotional outburst for long enough to pull out a fainting couch and then continue your outburst. She made a sizable point about her self control whens he was working for the diamond dogs. "this is whining." She allowed herself to be covered in mud for her sister's sake, which is a big deal to her. She chopped off her tail. She had the gall to turn your shitty haircut into a punk rock thing and then walk outside with confidence.

Fluttershy is constantly preforming extreme amounts of self control, enough to make her outbursts notable and particularly potent. She's not as good as rarity, but clearly manages to bottle a lot up. Half her outburst are for the sake of others, intentionally standing up for what she thinks matters. Then again, her "self control" acts more like repression a lot of the time.

AJ "cries on the inside"

Twilight is mostly a being of lists and rules. While she is reduced to a neurotic mess sometimes, those events are fueled by half an episode ore more of stress designed to explain exactly how she's being broken down. It's not till later seasons that she starts really getting impulsive and unstable by default, and that's because she's had responsibility for the nation, the country, and causality itself thrust into her hooves without her consent.

Pinkie is obviously guilty as charged and so is rainbow.

>all that aside

You: claim
anon: give an example
you: trixie took vengance on those who annoyed her
anon: that example doesn't work so good
you: well YOUR examples don't work so good either
???

So do you have an example of trixie acting in a way which is consistent with the idea that she's good at self control and also inconsistent with the idea that she's bad at self control, or not?

>>43041400
>Glimmer has nothing interesting going on with her
>UHHH she likes kites or something idk

>>43042220
You really didn't understand the point of, "Do as I say, not as I do".
>explains away the m6 emotional outbursts in the same exact way I did Trixie.
Kek, okay.
>do you have an example of trixie acting in a way which is consistent with the idea that she's good at self control and also inconsistent with the idea that she's bad at self control, or not?
She didn't kill Twilight in Magic Duel.

>>43042462
So your new example of a time when trixie showed self control was when she was under actual mind control which stripped away her inhibitions and made her even more vindictive than normal?

Nevermind the sillyness of that, lets go point by point.

>So do you have an example of trixie acting in a way which is consistent with the idea that she's good at self control and also inconsistent with the idea that she's bad at self control, or not?

>an example of trixie acting in a way
Yes

>which is consistent with the idea that she's good at self control
Lack of murder doesn't get you to "good" at self control, but at least a person who was good at self control would behave this way. So, yes.

>also inconsistent with the idea that she's bad at self control
A person who is bad at self control can totally not murder people, and is likely to not murder people. So no, it's not inconsistent, unfortunatly.

2 out of 3, almost got it.

>you did the same thing
I provided an example. I did what we want you to do.

>>43042505
>A person who is bad at self control can totally not murder people
Twilight Sparkle is no ordinary people. It takes great restraint to not murder her on the spot. Even without the influence of an evil artifact.
>we
Your highness.

>>43042528
>Twilight Sparkle is no ordinary people. It takes great restraint to not murder her on the spot
NTA but if you think that's how Equestria works I don't think you can relate to basically anybody else when it comes to discussing the show. You imagine a very different world than the one we see.

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>>43042530
If you think I'm being at all serious, then I implore you to reconsider. You know how one relates to show discussion here? By having an opinion and never changing it. That anon has seen every Trixie episode and came to the conclusion that Trixie is emotionally out of control, so regardless of an earnest example I give, he'll say "nuh uh", and any counter example I give of the m6 he'll say "nuh uh" like he just did. So the only real option is to shitpost inarguable positions because it's funny and subjectively true.

>>43042539
Shitposting, specifically, is subjectively false. That's what makes it shitposting.

In mixing this message, you suggest that you are, indeed, being serious. It's a very serious disingenuity.

>>43042462
>She didn't kill Twilight in Magic Duel.
After the effects of the amulet ended Trixie still tried to painfully torture Dashie.

>>43042249
>Twilight has nothing interesting going on with her
>UHHH she likes books or something idk

>>43041901
Hating something for sport is actually a thing that many enjoy unironically. It's called "hate-watching", something akin to a fandom culture but in reverse, where people share their frustrations and disappointments with a certain piece of media online and develop somewhat of a community around hating that thing just to vent their anger. I personally call it the Vivziepop effecf.

>>43042841
A common grift is right wing commentators watching woke movies just to bitch at the gays.

>>43042843
Whatever it takes to remove faggots from the stage

>>43042906
How can you say that when MLP caters to the neurodivergent and horsefuckers who are a marginalized people too. Don't abandon our stallionfags in love with Braeburn and Soarin!

>>43042462
>>43042505
She's probably averagish in terms of emotional control. She was able to steel herself pretty quickly to go sacrifice herself in TWaBA. She handled criticism pretty well in ABU even though she says it was unpleasant to hear. Then, again, in A Horse Shoe-in, she was able to hold it together long enough to step out of the room before she started crying. The one anon is right, it's not that she has no control of her emotions, instead her problem is that she's socially underdeveloped, so her ideas for what she should do with those emotions aren't always very smart.

>>43042587
Shitposting can be done with facts and reasoning, even when those facts and reasons are absurd enough to anons that it borders on trolling. It's like playing extreme devil's advocate.

>>43038061
Your words are as empty as a female's.

>>43040875
Let me have my "I can fix her" fantasy, man.

>>43041067
I dunno about you but Trixie's "I win!" was a highlight of her character (and the show) for me.

>>43043037
Unlike them we know how to keep our disorder to ourselves.

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If a character that's meant to be seen as "one of the good guys" wouldn't be mourned by the other good guys then I'd say that's a good indication they're not a good character.

>>43042687
...for thieving which is a normal reaction

>>43044214
Ah yes, this reminds of the time I locked a man inside my basement for stealing a knife from me that I tried to stab him with and cut off all his toes.
What the fuck are you on?

>>43044159
Starlight would ugly-cry if Trixie died.

>>43041239
>Glimmer should have had more time with the mane six.
Her presence with the Mane Six always felt forced. It was what really invited the Poochie comparisons, and was just uncomfortable to watch play out.
Starlight shined as a character when she was able to make her own friends. When she was with Trixie, she went from "awkward fuck-up who means well" to "straight man who is still allowed to have flaws", which is an actual niche within a group and not just an intrusion.

>>43041416
I don't disagree, but you may as well criticize the concept of the school itself. You are missing the forest for the trees. The entire thing was just a nonsensical fever-dream.

>>43044849
I kinda wanna flick Trixie's horn until she cries.

>>43044851
The superior alternative: >>43039976

>>43044854
Nah I'm good.

>>43044861
Fair, there's no fixing Trixie.

>>43035979
There's a reason Andy sticks to doodling sketches and nothing else

>>43044884
He's probably burnt out on ponies, were I to guess.

>>43044887
Wish he was burned out on life.

>>43044235
>Trixiefags are retarted
In other news, water is wet.

>>43044454
The poochie comparisons never made any sense for Glimmer. Shimmer maybe, she has some problems I don't like. Glimmer is a secondary character like Spike, fitting naturally into the cast bouncing off everyone with her adorable charm, relatable flaws, and impulsive antics. She's fun and would've had great episodes with the mane six to help build their characters as an inexperienced friend to impart wisdom to or a partner in crime, the potential is boundless.

>>43041127
This, she's an anti-Twilight, and it's entertaining.

>>43044235
>incoherent schizo babble

>>43045526
It's funny that Starlight is often considered a mane character despite never getting the screentime for it. Starlight is a side character with the development and depth of a main character so some confuse her as if she was a m7. The m6 really needed a pony a like her by this point in the series though. The m6 learned many things by s6 and it was the perfect opportunity to show how much they've grown by teaching the new blood the ways of friendship. I know the writers wanted to develop Twilight's Celestia mentoring arc but I feel as a princess of friendship she should have let her friends teach Starlight things too. This differentiates Twilight from Celestia to show that she is developing her own way of what being a princess means to her, that Twilight is not merely following in the hoofsteps of Celestia, but carving her own path to what she thinks is right. I think they were heavily limited by Hasbro's demands though, Hasbro was hellbent on continuing the status quo of the m6 fucking up and learning lessons when what we really needed was the m6 being adults and teaching lessons.

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>pic related

>>43046138
I'm just looking at Twilight's ass in the bottom left image. None of the other elements of this matter.

>>43046138
>Trixie vandalizes Twilight's silverware just for fun right in front of her
What words can you even use to describe such a person? Imagine some bitch ass nigga just coming into your house and tearing the head off one of your plushies of your waifu for no reason and leaving like nothing happened.

>>43046140
I'm looking at Glimmy's raised hoofie top right and hoping she steps on me with it.

>>43046260
thats dom mare behavior

>>43046260
This is just basic RGRE stuff. If anything, Trixie would break into your house to nab a few photos of you in your sleep.

>>43046304
You're too big for that, she'd need to raise her hoof way higher.

>>43046260
Unicorn privilege. It was okay since Twilight is also a unicorn.

bump

>>43046138
God I love that stupid blue asshole of a pony so much it's unreal, I'm glad she never changed.

>>43047169
I can't possibly understand how you could, but more power to you.

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>>43047187
There is a level of push and pull with females in your life that is endearing and lovely, and Trixie isn't evil or anything, but when you think about someone that believes that they are the greatest and powerfulest, and best looking, that is inherently a female trait that guys are drawn towards.

>>43047187
Getting a bratty cunt to like you is both the most annoying and the best thing to ever happen to an anon

>>43047369
>>43047385
I think I'd rather just have a kind woman that genuinely cares about me than a selfish cunt that would only use me for her own advantage, thanks.

>>43035979
Andy is a pussy ass bitch. If anything that's giving credit to Trixie.

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>>43047454
>a selfish cunt that would only use me for her own advantage
Wait, when did this become a Rainbow Dash thread?!

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>>43047454
So just waifu Trixie. If she can be submissive to her friend then why not a lover

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>>43047483
That describes Trixie perfectly, nice deflection though.

>>43047521
But that's Twilight, she deserved it, and probably death too.

>>43047527
Honestly? I can agree on that.

>>43047513
Because her friend is a superpowered former cult leader with exceptional leadership abilities and a barely-repressed dominance streak, and (You) aren't.

>>43047600
We have human penises capable of beating it up until Trixie starts gushing horse fluid, no pony could compete, she is for us.

>>43047616
MLP ponies probably have drawn out sex sessions in a similar way to humans. There's zero reason to believe their sex would resemble that of earth's horses. Looking at earth's horses having sex and thinking "that's probably how MLP ponies do it" is like looking at chimpanzees having sex and thinking "that's probably how humans do it".
Also Trixie is a lesbian.

>>43036000
Major cope. She's a stage performer who EXPERTLY humiliated the hecklers in the crowd, then risked her life fighting a monster because two "IT'S STILL REAL TO ME DAMNIT!" spergers thought her character was real life.

The Mane Six should be ashamed and embarrassed of themselves for targeting a poor, semi-homeless stage performer during her act...

>>43047671
>risked her life fighting a monster
LMAO speaking of major cope. Rewatch the scene, she didn't try to stop it to actually help, she did it to try and save face, the first thing she did was run away.
>Trixie: Wait, you brought this here? [gasp] Are you out of your little pony minds?
>Snips: But, you're the Great and Powerful Trixie.
>Snails: Yeah, remember? You defeated an ursa major.
>Ursa: [roar]
>Trixie: Uh, okay. [gulp] Stand back.
>Trixie: Heh. Piece of cake.
>Ursa: [growls, snap]
>Snips: Aw, come on, Trixie.
>Snails: Stop goofin' around and vanquish it, eh?
>Trixie: [gasp, gulp]
>Snails: Well, that was a dud.
>Snips: Yeah, pfft, come on! Where's all the cool explosions and smoke and stuff like earlier? You know.
>Trixie: Uh-oh.

>>43047679
the show literally makes it as clear as possible to you that trixie is a piece of shit and people will still try to defend her lol

>>43047945
>trixie makes shit up to make herself look better
>trixie fans make shit up to make her look better/defend her
it's poetic

anons really base their entire personality off hating a character just because of a tranny head canon

>>43047990
>ctrl+f
>"trans"
>0 results
>schizophrenia.jpg

>>43047679
Most performers would be like "what the fuck" and call for help, to even try to save the town is nuts. This episode really exposes the people who don't comprehend what performance vs reality is and think The Undertaker in daily life sleeps in a coffin or something... Imagine performer John Cena yelling he's the baddest motherfucker alive and then an autistic Jon Jones gets mad and jumps into the ring to kick his ass because actually he's the baddest motherfucker... Or Michael Jordan getting mad because the Harlem Globetrotters act like they're GOATed.

Consider that there's a reason the show decided to pick the two literal retard characters to bring the threat to a performance artist.

>>43048045
>to even try to save the town is nuts
Trixie didn't try to save the town for the sake of others. She only tried to save her own reputation when backed up against the wall with her lie.

The problem with treating Trixie as a performer is that magic is real in Equestria. In our world we know that the magic being performed are all tricks which is the main draw of the act, the way the performer is able to seamlessly do impossible things that looks like magic is happening. However in Equestria, magic is a real ability a third of the population can do which changes the expectations of the audience, they believe Trixie is simply showing off her real abilities. There is no reason for ponies to believe Trixie's show was just an act or that she is lying in any way.

The heckling excuse, which doesn't even absolve her of physical assault, just doesn't work. The m6 weren't being rude, they're rightfully questioning the validity of Trixie's claims, at worst they are just bantering.

The early writers didn't account for any of this, they kinda sucked at coherent world building, but I still like how this accidentally played out. The writers may have intended for Trixie to just be a one dimensional mid-level unicorn cuntbag doing real magic, but I like the idea that Trixie is a low-level unicorn doing tricks to make it look like she's more talented than she is and trying to convince others of that because she's insecure. It adds a layer of depth and sympathy to her.

>>430482172
>The writers may have intended for Trixie to just be a one dimensional mid-level unicorn cuntbag doing real magic, but I like the idea that Trixie is a low-level unicorn doing tricks to make it look like she's more talented than she is and trying to convince others of that because she's insecure. It adds a layer of depth and sympathy to her.
They definitely intended for her to be an illusionist that's larping as the "best unicorn". It's pretty clear if you watch the episode without fandom goggles.

The issue isn't with the writing for the episode. The issue is with the illiteracy of the fandom. People have become extremely retarded and can't seem to pick up on even basic clues.
The whole point of the episode is a lesson on being humble and where/when to allow yourself recognition for what you're genuinely talented at.

People in the fandom don't understand this though because apparently Trixie needs to wear a hat that says "IM BEING A HUGE LYING NARCISSISTIC CUNT" for them to understand anything

>>43048217
>>43048291
>Accidental 2
It's over

Anyway. That's also why the episode is called "boast busters". Because Trixie is...yknow....boasting? She's proud of herself for abilities she's lying about being able to do.

This is also why her interactions with the other m6 look the way it does. Compare Trixie's narcissism in the episode to Dash's. We can also cross compare her boasting with Applejack's pride.

People who come up with all these different excuses for how Trixie didn't do anything wrong, are the same types of weirdos who need their favourite characters to be absolutely pure morally.

Trixie was a huge cunt. That's the point. It's also what makes her character interesting, sad and funny. Fans need to either appreciate the character for who she is, or come up with a different mare to enjoy.

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Counterpoint: she's hot as fuck

>>43048370
Every mare is hot so your argument is moot.

>>43048217
The tricks she's doing are more like real stage magic and illusions. It's been shown stage magicians and escape artists are a real thing in Equestria. There's a few possibilities as to how it works and why it entertains people. Maybe it not being done with the obvious spells is why it's so exciting. Everyone knows Twilight or Celestia could get on stage and vanish something for real. They're entertained by the character she's portraying, excellent showmanship, and unexpected ways she performs the tricks...

Actually there is quite a parallel to professional wrestling. There's real fighting sports but people watch WWE anyway, knowing that Cena can't actually beat up Mike Tyson.

The two village idiots of course don't comprehend this and bring a real dangerous threat to her and put her life in danger because they're reeeeetardeeed.

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>>43048579
Even her?

>>43048291
She's performing. David Copperfield doesn't get up and remind everyone during his act "yeah by the way none of this is real, I'm actually ordinary and not doing magic". It's such a swing and a miss from the writers. There's quite a few fucked "morals" in the first seasons like Mare Do Well etc.

If they really wanted to portray what you're suggesting, they needed to have Trixie NOT be a performance artists, and instead do illusions in casual settings pretending to be the most powerful unicorn ever and use the fear of her powers to make the townspeople do stuff she wants... Instead they have her performing as a professional illusionist (do you think she should call herself "the ordinary and weak Trixie" for her act instead?) entertaining crowds during a show even other unicorns turn up to enjoy, and being so kind as to stay in character for her Make-a-Wish kid retard tier fans.

>>43048217
>>43048291
95% of the fandom portrays her as a narcissistic cunt, at some point you have to ask yourself why.

>>43048291
>defending a sex fiend's writing abilities
Not a good look...

>>43048324
Since the episode was called boast busters, that means she didn't do anything wrong when she embarrassed the m6 for calling her out. The bad thing she did was lying about her abilities, not defeating hecklers.

>>43048324
>Trixie was a huge cunt. That's the point. It's also what makes her character interesting, sad and funny.
Indeed, I love her flaws and all.

>>43048873
I'm not saying she isn't a cuntbag, she just isn't a one dimensional cuntbag.

>>43048963
She is very much a one dimensional cunt, there isn't any depth to her because her entire personality is just being a cunt and nothing else.
She isn't a good character because the show tries to treat her as a good person by pairing her with the heroes when she's really just a shit person that the others can't stand. If the show continued to treat her like the shitty person she is after Boast Busters, then that'd be fine, but it doesn't.

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two groups of retards fighting over a character that's equally shit no matter how you spin it

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>>43048757
Then the moral in your new scenario would shift from bragging and belittling others, to plain as day physical intimidation. Boast busters and mare do well critics can't seem to grasp any moral about the consequences of over bragging without gluing it to worse acts of villainy in a rewrite.

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>>43049090
As the person who wrote that top post, I think it's fine to enjoy Trixie as a villain because that's what she was meant for and she's very entertaining in that role. The moment you start trying to sympathize with her, it's all over for you.

>>43049556
Yeah, I would agree if she STAYED the villain and kept being treated as such, but she isn't. That's what I'm trying to say.

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>>43048712 he deleted this like he thought no one would notice, must've realized it never harmed her character because she never had any real character to harm in the first place lol

>>43049562
Yeah, that was silly of them. I'm pretty sure, much like Alicorn Twilight, if they'd known season 3 wasn't the end they wouldn't have had Trixie apologize.

>>43049090
She did things wrong, but she wasn't that bad, there wasn't anything horrendously wrong with her, she was just really immature. She doesn't deserve all this hate that you're laying on her.

>>43049704
i think selfish narcissists deserve the worst, actually

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>>43049800
How could you say that about somepony so snowpitiful?

Trixie didn't become a real villain until she got the amulet, and then she was only bad for that one episode. Her first appearance was just the mane six sperging at her act then getting felted in front of the entire town by a pro showpony. It's arguable she exploited the slow kids but that would be a different moral angle than what was implied.

I suggest this guy doesn't understand Trixie very well.

>>43050144
the writers failed at making a good character, it's as shrimple as that

>>43050160
Trixie is one of the deepest characters in the show, since she's two dimensional instead of just being a living embodiment of one particular personality trait element.

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>>43050166

>>43050144
>real villain
So she was a villain? Or at the very least an antagonist. The writers sucked at it because I understand making being a braggart a negative trait, but her magic show blurred the line behind the act and her personality. It was her personality that was awful, but I say that was less of a focus than her act which was the downfall of the episode. And you are correct that Twilight's friends were stupid and it really sucks. It's like Dan VS hating magicians, but he has reasons to hate magicians and he is a spiteful man. The ponies randomly just didnt like Trixie's act (before they knew her personality).

>>43050166
Unironically true. Fluttershy, Applejack, and Pinkie Pie are like the Flat 3, they're walking stereotypes of their given archetype that don't do anything innovative with them.

>>43049556
You can sympathize with villains without turning them into a dindu. We've all had days where we want to destroy Twilight Sparkle and take over the world.
>>43050244
>3/6
Bait used to be believable.

>>43050249
Should it be more? Dash and Rarity are the clear winners which just leaves Twilight. Her execution was sloppy but she still has the most development out of the entire cast.

Being a flat character doesn't necessarily mean bad or boring. The m6 are popular archetypes seen everywhere, people eat this shit up like candy.

>>43050267
Twilight is the most one dimensional teacher's pet smart gurl. Her development, if any beyond wings, didn't change this.
>people eat the slop
Your endorsement shines.

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>>43050166
LMAOOOOOOO

Bump

>>43049800
She wasn't selfish and her narcissism wasn't that bad, especially near the end of the series. It was anrguably even less prominent than Rainbow Dash's by her last episodes.

>>43050144
She objectively mistreated Snips and Snails and later her best friend purple poochie. She's a scumbag. The appeal of Trixie is that she's scummy and full of herself. How do Trixiefags not get this? People like her because she is a POS.

>>43051234
>She objectively mistreated Snips and Snails
They deserved it for luring a giant space bear to town, to be fair

>>43051244
She was mistreating them before that.

>>43051250
They deserved it for being colts, to be fair

>>43051234
Snips and Snails were into it.

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>>43051523
This is slightly ruined by the knowledge that it's the artist's fetish.

>>43051674
Jargon's in to that?

This green proves Trixie is best when she's a bratty antagonist https://ponepaste.org/913

>>43051234
She doesn't mistreat Poochie on purpose. She was genuinely surprised when Starlight was upset at her except in the caravan episode where she sold her home without her permission (lol wtf?!), she's pretty oblivious to social cues. She was originally going to use Starlight but genuinely liked her and became real friends with her instead, probably very quickly.

She is full of herself. So is Rainbow Dash. She's not overly scummy as such, she's shown genuine remorse and various positive traits in addition to being egomaniacal. She's really not much worse than Rainbow Dash honestly. There's not much she's done that Rainbow Dash wouldn't.

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>>43051833
Was she going to use Starlight at first? I thought the episode started as a genuine friend connection at a spa.

>>43052169
>14 appearances and she stole hearts and the largest pony booru's logo is her cutie mark
That's kinda impressive, very similar to how Vinyl Scratch never said a word, originally appeared on screen for seconds and stole everyone's heart too.

>>43052234
Some ponies are just made to be stars.

>>43052234
yep, she stole the hearts of thousands of insufferable narcissists just like her

>>43052203
It's likely exactly as she said. She befriended Starlight because she really liked her and wanted to be her friend, and being able to friendship-cuck Twilight in the process was a bonus.

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God, please rape and murder this blue demon.

>>43052283
If I make it to Equestria I'll annoy her for you, but that's the best I can do.

>>43052283
If I make it to Equestria I'll cuddle her and kiss her while thinking about you and that's all I'll do

>>43052289
C'mon, you can get away with killing her, nobody (except starlight) cares about her, so nobody would look for her.

>>43052374
>getting starlight on your bad side
Foolish. But also more fundamentally I don't wanna kill or rape ponies, I'd feel far too horrible to ever be able to do that to anypony.

>>43039976
A fic or green about this would definitely be entertaining.

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>>43052283
>dunks on nerds
Trixie is kind of a chad

>>43039615
Rarity and Applejack are literal spergs confirmed. Entire audience entertained enjoying a show and she thinks the performer is boasting during her act that's part of the show.

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>>43052169
I don't get it. Shouldn't Trixie be compared to an equivalent character such as Discord? Put up any of the mane six against Starlight and they all heavily dwarf her screentime.

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>>43052527
>entire audience entertained
Those mares vandalized her jeetwagon because Ponyvilleans don't take kindly to unicorns pretending to be retarded.

>>43035983
>"Twilight I'm watching your stream why you tryin not to laugh sis that's disrespectful as shit sis, stop FUCKIN LAUGHIN sis!"

>>43051833
Traded, not sold, for an upgraded wagon. This was while Glim was in a delirious sleep deprived state with a stalker biding his time to take advantage of the situation, so a billion times more stressed than Twilight walking around for an hour in Lesson Zero or Dashie trading Fluttershy for a book. Anyway it's just desserts for when Trixie destroyed the tea cakes Glimmy was making for Pinkie.

When did the Klu Trix Klan show up to defend their shitty waifu? You got a thread for that already.

>>43052928
>Klu Trix Klan
Kek

>>43051059

>>43053739

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>cutest design in the entire show
>worst personality/character in the entire show
how did they do it?

>>43054409
>404 taste not found

>>43054410
>"no taste" and it's the mostn insufferable loser ever in fiction
way to tell on yourself

>>43054409
>drop dead gorgeous and she's a stupid asshole
Man Trixie is just like very female ever

>>43054415
Cope

>>43054869
i simply told the truth

>>43054409
She had a really cute personality.

>>43055182
Legit

>>43055182
If you're also a narcissist and hate everyone around you, then yeah it's a cute personality.

>>43053307
Not Trixie's hat, not Trixie's colors.
Must be some other unicorn in a hat.
>>43054409
>cutest design in the entire show (among adult mares)
>best "I can fix her"-bait personality in the entire show
FTFY

>>43054409
>worst personality/character in the entire show
Even if you hate Trixie, Discord exists (and Glimmer who might as well just be female Discord)

>>43055355
There's nothing to fix. I like her as she is.

>>43055403
Based asshole appreciator.

>>43055225
She's not really a narcissist. If she was a real narcissist, she wouldn't have ended up bottoming for Starlight.

>>43055393
Trixie is the female Discord. Glim is more unique, like a mix of Luna, Fluttershy, Twilight, AJ, and Celestia.

>>43055403
Based! Equestria needs at least a couple bitches in the face of the overwhelming kindness of literally everyone else.

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>>43055933
>>>Glim is more unique
Right...

>>43056395
Right. Pic unrelated since they act nothing alike. Shim is a shitty too cool for school poochie corpo-made slop.

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>>43055182
>>43055403
How do Trixiefags even exist?

>>43056460
>too cool for school
She literally chose school over a fantasy world, clearly she isn't too cool for school

>>43056841
Based Shimmy took over the school, she's like purple smart if she weren't having female autism.

>>43052866
>upgraded
There was a whole montage for why that wasn't the case. The only upgrade was being able to house Glimmer's fat ass
>just desserts for when Trixie destroyed the tea cakes Glimmy was making for Pinkie
Trading private property is not comparable to accidentally ruining tea cakes

>>43056808
https://youtu.be/nnkZ8q2o5xQ
Even Twilight Sparkle thought Trixie was cute at times.

>>43057385
https://youtu.be/nnkZ8q2o5xQ?t=1274

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I can't hate her

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I can hate her quite easily, just not her design

>>43057576
>just not her design
Ikr it's such a perfect pony design

>>43056841
>doesn't know what the "too cool for school" highschool kid archetype is
It's a common personality type in highschool settings.

>>43057678
Sunset is an incredibly humble character so that works neither literally nor figuratively
Plus, she was included in the cast as a collectie writers' decision not by Hasjew

>>43057692
Yea Shimmer is a mary sue, we know that.

>>43057678
Yeah, for a rebel that skips classes and doesn't give a shit about grades or school functions. Shimmer is literally the exact opposite. She rules the school as a prom queen bitch before turning into a good girl.