>you don't like Bruckner??
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4u4E0NvyAY0

96 tracks is too much for one album

I like Scriabin and Puccini

>>129902976
>Chopin's 24 Preludes, Op. 28 (24 tracks)
:/
>Chopin's 24 Preludes, Op. 28 (1 track)
:D
>Chopin's 24 Preludes, Op. 28 -- Four Ballades -- Nocturnes (1 track)
:O

Why does /classical/ HATE anything contemporary

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>>129902992
do I?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y03iutm5NYs&list=OLAK5uy_l4iFNGOIasD9sJdGCzGkQ39zrsqhSZkAs&index=8

Solti's Bruckner, yay or nay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm3xMeo_OEU&list=OLAK5uy_myYT2s0DmDPGLxYDkzstYlog-b3cCcSiY&index=2

>>129903011
don't care for it. nothing that hasn't been done better elsewhere

>>129903003
Not only contemporary, but a woman conductor... I want to vomit.

>>129903024
Alsop is actually a very fine conductor. Great Brahms, Schumann. Dvorak, Prokofiev, plus records lesser-known composers and less-often performed repertoire like MacMillan, Kevin Puts, Roy Harris, Glass, Barber, Bernstein, Kurt Weill, the list goes on...

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>>129903055

>>129903124
...but I have no desire to sleep with Marin Alsop. I just care about the music.

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>Wotan-Anon, quickly, give them the gold!!

>>129903003
I hate this cause it's women.

>>129903022
Yeah that's my impression too. In fact I'd say that applies to most of his symphonic cycles and orchestral recordings.

>>129903133
please don't reply to obviously teenaged posters

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now playing

start of Beethoven: Violin Concerto in D Major, Op. 61
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2VmjW5JrMw&list=OLAK5uy_lAZnx5CdsNvOv_YQP4dUWW3iCmnqStrQA&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lAZnx5CdsNvOv_YQP4dUWW3iCmnqStrQA

One of the best works with which to start the day.

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>>129902945
Bait should be believable
Dogma should be defensible
Ritual should be repeatable
Liturgy should be legible
Belief should be beautiful
What fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.
https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS

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>>129903304
now playing
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>>129902989
The op 28 preludes are one track to me. Who the fuck can't manage to listen to like 36 minutes.
Same with the Goldbergs it's one track.

>>129903605
but the goldbergs are an hour and a half

>>129903605
>24 unrelated pieces in a row
Pass.

What if... What if Beethoven's string quartets were memorable

>>129904301
where do you guys even come from?

>>129904301
That would make an exception in Beethoven's oeuvre

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My Bible.

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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IX9aBoK5vo&list=OLAK5uy_l0puntEITfcyQ6yCMe5SwsDQ1JQsdp5gA&index=2

>>129905459
This is almost Gouldian.

>>129902983
Based.

German classical period fucking sucks man. Including Beethoven. Worst period of all time and you know it, I know it. Stop pretending. Only Italians got it right. It's boring as fucking shit with very few exceptions.
I have no issue with baroque and romantic periods however.

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Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tkfj43yYh-M&list=OLAK5uy_nzJobpTVpsQNEOJZAd4NnsA4ujU8_TOLA&index=2

>>129903665
All repeats ya.
The only way to listen to it is all the way through one sitting. Harpsichord.

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Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLgxjHiF3vU&list=OLAK5uy_kO9NFox7MDkUDilbjuf1aDjobGMvvf6XA&index=12

>>129906650
you genuinely haven't even begun to understand how to properly listen to music. you still have modern ears.

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Beethoven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWYiMlLrL6c&list=OLAK5uy_ncCEIi0LCgiCIaRChlWKxglNR_RMOqPyU&index=8

>>129908574
Can't say I've heard of that second orchestra before. Quite the mouthful.

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Anyone familiar with Korngold's opera Die tote Stadt?

Giacinto Scelsi

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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsA_fOTaMXs

kundry scream woke me and the baby up

>>129909088
Werner Herzog was so shocked by Kundry's scream while attending Bayreuth rehearsals that he kicked his legs out and detached the entire row of seating in front of him at Bayreuth, making a loud noise and causing Wolfgang Wagner to come out and personally tell him that that type of reaction is exactly what he wanted.

>>129909370
That's a fantastic anecdote, thank you.

My opinions on opera = downloaded straight from youtube

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/96lrE9WGN0Y

Any contemporary lieder? Or has it been made obsolete by art pop, baroque pop, chamber pop, and the like?

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an overlooked Missa Solemnis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa5cm9uqSf0&list=OLAK5uy_lKhHgMIQdIM4BqtyuPlIJTZmE6WwsZkRI&index=1

>>129908830
No, but I've read the novel it's based on. Would recommend.

I can't listen to any of Korngold's music, his name is too silly.

>>129910234
The problem with writing contemporary Lieder is that contemporary poetry is garbage, so there is no material that you could set to music.

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>>129911498
hate to embarrass you anon but i read this just the other day

>>129911504
this is bad

>>129911510
It won the Pulitzer.

>>129911598
mickey mouse award

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Mahler 8 > Mahler 9

Is there any late Wagner opera that's made out of more digestable 30 minute chunks of music that decently stands on its own rather than the only real pauses being between each 1 hour act?

Do wagnerian oratorios exist? I guess Mahler's 8th kinda counts but im curious about any other that exists

>>129911504
this is such dogshit

>>129911710
I'd punch you in the face for saying that. Bonus slap for that pic. Deaf moron.

>>129911908
Nta but Mahler's only good music involves the human voice.

>>129911951
Agreed. Mahler's great music though, involves no human voice.

>>129911710
Correct.

>>129911727
Elgar’s oratorios are like this.

>>129911710
Incorrect.

>>129911908
Filtered

So what tone poem is actually a masterpiece?

Just the first movement of Mahler 9 is better than the entire 8th. The first movement of the 10th likewise.
Hell, they're both better than all other symphonies ever composed, combined. And add oratorios. I'd wave it all goodbye for just the two of these movements.

>>129912736
It's posts like these that make me realise Mahler fans are delusional nutcases.

>>129912736
based

>>129912736
It's posts like these that make me realise Mahler fans are based geniuses.

>>129912736
truthpilled

>>129912710
Counting 'symphonic poems'?

Strauss' Metamorphosen, Tod und Verkalung, Alpine Symphony, Ein Heldenleben, Zarathustra, Till Eulenspiegel's Merry Pranks, Don Quixote
Tchaikovsky's Romeo and Juliet
Scriabin's Poem of Ecstasy and Poem of Fire
Liszt's Les Preludes and Mazeppa
Dvorak's The Water Goblin and Noon Witch
Smetana's Ma Vlast if that counts
Debussy's Prélude à l'après-midi d'un faune
Saint-Saens' Danse macabre
Sibelius' Finlandia, En Saga, Tapiola, Pohjola's Daughter
Arnold Bax's In the Faëry Hills and Tintagel
Schoenberg's Pelleas und Melisande

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Currently reading the collected short stories of Carson McCullers and here's a page from one which revolves heavily around classical music and the piano. Figured someone here might find it an enjoyable read. Always nice to see our hobbies reflected in serious literature and all that.

>>129913039
I should have specified the piece she's practicing is Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 12, if that helps with imagining the scene.

>>129911720
Aside from the opening of Tannhauser, no. You might find the orchestral arrangements listed in this post >>129872200 intriguing.

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Feels like a Meistersinger -> Siegfried -> Tristan und Isolde day (all Thielemann! [inb4 >thielemann])

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqm24fymaHQ&list=OLAK5uy_kxOCUq9j-rfm06TZBWB4LSJWE5l9i1rbo&index=1

>>129902907
Jesus christ I love this hair colour, it looks divine.

>>129903124
True

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Post your WW3 face

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>>129913741

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>>129913741
me on the right

>>129913741
does ww3 mean i get a time machine and meet scriabin and puccini

>>129914040
nope, it means you get incinerated

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>>129913741
Scriabin writing home for me as I make his borscht before we invite the lovely Mr. Puccini over for a wonderous dinner.

>>129914103
>>129914040
can someone who isn't autistic explain what this nutjob is talking about?

>>129914182
Scriabi's Diner

>>129914182
I want to be with my friends from the past like Scriabin.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-UDnpC3_fY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=te6GILsxcoQ
Amazing how far the piano sonata had come in a mere 20 years.

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>>129914182

>>129914320
>E minor
>F minor
The Chopin concerti keys :3

>>129914326
Scriabin loves his borscht.

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now playing

start of Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5 in E Minor, Op. 64 (Live, 1991)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_9qwE3c3h4&list=OLAK5uy_muFx4fGhenJ-fNDPwfmS8sNrJIt2wk_yc&index=1

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_muFx4fGhenJ-fNDPwfmS8sNrJIt2wk_yc

As with all Celibidache, a love-it-or-hate-it performance.

After listening to all of Haydn's piano sonatas, I have returned to report that they are of no musical value whatsoever. Stick to Mozart and Beethoven in matters of the keyboard.

>>129915647
No shit. Some sonatas have good bits, but they're so rare and inbetween that you might as well just skip them entirely.

>>129915647
I don't believe you.

Chops ballads mog any piano Sonata by anyone

>>129916189
Correct.

>>129916189
Well, most of them anyway.

are there any non-retards left in this general or have Chopinfags completely overtaken it

>>129916359
There's nothing wrong with Chopin, anon.

>>129915647
You probably listened to a poor recording.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4hiHIPYW2U

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Have you listened to Bach's WTC this week?

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>>129916966
No.

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>>129916993
:O

Jill Crossland's Bach
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQOFGC3kdo&list=OLAK5uy_mM1mDXcqi8EdFKtgA-gPsOFQNGuPlh9Ds&index=23

>>129916966
Yes but only Book 1 cause 2 is rubbish from beginning to end.
Schiffs only.

>>129917052
>having an opinion this terrible
I would expect nothing less from a Schitt fan.

>>129917052
Many musicians consider Book 2 to be superior. I don't know, I love both, but they are different.

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>>129902907
>The Piano Teacher
why does she look kinda like Hayley?

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>>129916966
yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cys6j3TXQr4&list=OLAK5uy_lJiJssS7A7JOQxFUNc6JDGGhVc1OdU-p8&index=9

>>129917110
the Kempff-God

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There is nothing like the feeling of exploring several recordings of a work you feel like you ought to be enjoying more yet none of the performances really fully satisfy, and just as you are about to throw your hands up and resign yourself to the fact the work might be flawed or not completely to your tastes, you finally find the one. Solti/Chicago is the one. No wonder he was unsatisfied with his earlier Vienna recording, this is far superior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLMC2oY-Tl8&list=OLAK5uy_lUljTqyrbMcVY6cnqqQPoA3XAx_TjV_Ec&index=1

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now playing

start of Kurt Weill: Lady in the Dark - Symphonic Nocturne
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbHY3W-Njw0&list=OLAK5uy_lOivJ9s0m5o_bxkg9vCxO6MyTFS8ap380&index=2

Kurt Weill: Symphony No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsiAk8Ow7Nw&list=OLAK5uy_lOivJ9s0m5o_bxkg9vCxO6MyTFS8ap380&index=5

start of Kurt Weill: Symphony No. 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXs10UQB7dU&list=OLAK5uy_lOivJ9s0m5o_bxkg9vCxO6MyTFS8ap380&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lOivJ9s0m5o_bxkg9vCxO6MyTFS8ap380

>About nine minutes into the second track of this disc, you seem to hear the composer reminding himself: "Hey, I'm Kurt Weill! This is what my music sounds like!" Most of us know only Weill's theater music, but he began his career writing concert pieces. The First Symphony was written under the tutelage of the great composer and pianist Ferruccio Busoni. Both symphonies belong to the European mainstream of the early 1920s, but Weill's characteristic style infiltrates only the Second (placed first on the CD), his last pure concert work, composed after the famous Threepenny Opera. These symphonies may not compete with Stravinsky and Bartók in their importance, but they are both satisfying pieces and will interest both lovers of 20th-century symphonies and fans of Weill's later music--of which we get a nice chunk as an encore. The Weill Symphonies have been scarce on recordings. Here they are performed with great energy and purpose by an excellent conductor and orchestra, vividly recorded, at a price which encourages exploration. --Leslie Gerber

>>129917632
Oh whoops, looks like I labeled the Second Symphony and the Lady in the Dark - Symphonic Nocturne backwards; the first link is the Second Symphony, and the third is the Symphonic Nocturne.

>>129916966
Hewitt's 2nd version moggs every other in this image

>>129917648
It's certainly a great "if you insist on only having one" set.

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Bach

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ika79NyvBHc&list=OLAK5uy_mm1y8IkCMJkn0rjYkyEnSRYFDUZSjc-4s&index=4

Granted, I'm no composer, but while writing instrumental music makes perfect sense to me, writing vocal music seems like pure wizardry. I try and imagine composing some of my favorite instrumental parts and in my head it makes total sense, yet trying to do the same with vocal parts, constructing the voice melodies and harmonies in my mind, sounding them out, it's beyond the measure of man.

>>129917865
>>129916966
for me, it's the Gould set. The definitive WTC (and GV) set.

>>129918192
Nice to own but if I saw it was the only set someone owned, I'd think they were more of a Gould fan than a Bach fan. That's just me though.

>>129918259
>That's just me though.
That's anyone with a brain.

I am entirely ignorant of English conductors. I see people mention Beecham, Boult, Barbirolli, Davis, etc. like they're massive figures in the conducting world but then I never actually see anyone recommend their recordings.

>>129918480
I shill Barbirolli and Colin Davis pretty regularly here. I will say I saw one of those "Great Conductors of the 20th Century" collections that contained one Sir Malcolm Sargent and my reaction was "who the fuck is that?" lol

As for Beechum and Boult, I feel their recordings are mostly outdated, so outside of rare, specific circumstances (eg Puccini's La Boheme for Beechum, and some Elgar and Vaughan Williams for Boult [though neither are my favorite]) I also ignore them almost entirely.

>>129918480
English conductors tend to be soporific at times. But they also have their moments. Sir Mark Elder is a good demonstration of this. Sometimes he's capable of tranquil beauty, sometimes he just puts you to sleep.

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*swaps out your poison for a love potion*
pssh, nuthin personnel, kid

>>129918837
I'm going to have a heart attack if you keep posting these modern opera productions.

>>129918848
lol

Some of the designs and shots look nice, like that one.

>>129918480
A lot of Beecham's best stuff is in mono, so he's left to the historical recording crowd. His Zauberflote is amazing, for instance. But honestly most English conductors are pretty bad. Barbirolli is largely boring outside of a few recordings, ditto with Boult, Davis, and the rest. The only reason they were "massive" figures in the recording world is because most of the classical recording press was based in Britain so there was an obligation to shill them.

>>129918837
OP drinks love potion iykwim.

>>129918837
What if... You had a love potion. Who would you use it on?

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When it comes to pure audio fidelity, what is Mengelberg's best sounding recording?

Why is there no one alive that can sing and play Mozart as beautifully as this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZI-iMITWfA

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now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJ-3OOTsc9I

I had a Polish student whose father had shut the piano and only permitted his academic studies, which were brilliant. At twenty–one, he still had not touched a piano, but he decided, ‘Whatever Papa thinks, I want to be a musician, I want to be...a pianist.’ He sought out the Director of the Warsaw Conservatory, Monsieur Sikorsky, and said: ‘Monsieur, I’ve come to ask you for piano lessons.’ ‘Well, play me something.’ ‘The thing is, I can’t play.’ ‘And why do you want lessons?’ ‘I want to become a pianist, I want to play the great concertos.’ ‘But my boy, you can’t, you are twenty–one, you know nothing about music, it’s impossible. I haven’t the right to encourage you. Better to give up, believe me.’

He went away, saying to himself, ‘I’ve been talking to an honest man, but I’m determined to become a pianist.’ He began work on his own. After six months, he wrote to Sikorsky: ‘Monsieur, I realise I am being indiscreet, but my whole life depends on your decision and judgement, I think I’ve made some progress. Would you give me ten minutes of your time? Would you hear me play?’ Sikorsky invited him along. He had made such progress that Sikorsky was moved to tears. He gave him lessons every day; at thirty–one, Wojtowicz was playing the great concertos, the whole repertoire, and he became a teacher at the Warsaw Conservatory. It is an incredible story. He is still alive, I see him whenever I go to Poland. He found the way to become a great pianist.

>>129920300
that's a lot of words to say the Warsaw "Conservatory" is utter dog shit.

>>129920300
beautiful and inspiring story thank you for sharing

>>129918192
I would rather never listen to the WTC again than hear Gould play it

>>129916800
there is everything wrong with an statement like >>129916189

I had a dream where Mahler 6 had an earlier longer version with sections which were later cut

>>129920344
lmao

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcTjIIg3Dfc

>>129920420
>a world in which mahler wrote more music
Truly a nightmare.

Listening to Wagner and browsing my bf's dick pics.

Winterreise is so fucking good. Words are not enough to describe its beauty. Are there actually people who don't like it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NFekwCRLdM&list=OLAK5uy_k7_8kbWjhh_R5crgPzyFTRr7T0YGXfQDo&index=32

>>129920978
I don't like it when it's sung by a man.

>>129920999
That's just because you haven't heard it sung by Kurt Moll.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHS6Gd5Q4_s&list=OLAK5uy_nYkwZDLCGLnyRoqR2CjdTt9qJtzpHVP0c

>>129920999
It sounds warmer, brighter and mellower when sung by a man. I used to prefer female winterreise too, now I'm not sure - depends on the mood perhaps.

Thielemann is such a hack, I am never listening to one of his recordings ever again

>>129920999
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14vREp92Jjg?si=Lj-jPDzTvvtCxmMe

I've got to be honest, I prefer Beethoven's lieder to any other composer's.

>I think Boulez himself, in later life, felt that his Parsifal was too inflexible. Even so, I wouldn't ignore it altogether; despite its dryness, it may possibly be our best chance to hear Parsifal at the tempos that Wagner himself preferred. (Wagner complained repeatedly about the first conductor's tendency to pace the work too slowly--and the documented timings of that conductor's performances look fairly average by 20th-century standards.)

true?

>>129921253
It's a very good Parsifal, but Kegel's, within the same conception, is even better.

>>129921224
I don't think even Beethoven would agree with you.

>>129921253
>>129921274
I listened to it the other day and while the handling of the musical structure was sound and phrases were slick, I felt no heart or spirituality. I feel the same way about his Ring. I'll add Kegel's to the backlog, thanks.

>>129921298
>I felt no heart or spirituality
lol

>>129921302
I was just as baffled! That's the power of slick, avant-garde formalists like Boulez.

>>129921279
What lieder composer would Beethoven prefer? C.P.E Bach??? There's very few pre-Schubert lieds that are famous today.

>>129921306
I'm 99% certain you have that opinion just because it's fast and not slow.

>>129921309
Obviously in this scenario Beethoven would have access to my Spotify account (circa 2026).

>>129921315
That may be the ultimate result. If anything the quicker tempos made me want to like it even more. And the singing was great too. But what can I say, I felt nothing in either.

Richter's Chopin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdaKOLIRP4s

>>129921330
Vague as usual

>>129921253
>>129921274
you don't need any Parsifal other than Kubelik's
also Kegel has Kollo who is vastly inferior to James King in either the Boulez or Kubelik recordings

>>129921345
What do you want from me? There wasn't anything overtly problematic about either of the recordings. I just felt nothing in my heart, nothing in my soul, and nothing from the aesthetic sense on the tingle of the spine.

>>129921348
It's well sung and beautiful, but the conducting is too slow.

>>129921345
>>129921360
Just because I'm saying it wasn't for me, I'm not saying you shouldn't like it either, anon, relax. Again, I'm not saying it objectively sucked, that the singing was awful, that the conducting was hacky (unlike Thielemann). It just did nothing for me.

>>129921368
I don't care that you didn't like it, I just find that your criticism sucks.

>>129921381
Hey, I wanted to like it. I guess my brain didn't find the formalist conductor and Wagner to be a good mix. If it helps, I do like Boulez's recording of Debussy's Pelleas et Melisande. His objective, formalist approach works well here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L65Hmb2nD3I&list=OLAK5uy_n68JTppOEMWgmhGFr6OitXJHDTo0s0Ong&index=1

>>129921406
There is nothing particularly objective nor formalist about Boulez's conducting of Parsifal, though. That's just part of your superficial brain thinking fast = objective, formalist and slow = spiritual, heatful

>>129921361
eh I don't think so. If I ever want a faster Parsifal I go for Armin Jordan. (Kubelik is 4:14 and Jordan is 4:04)
I just hate the sound of the Bayreuth orchestra in Boulez's recording, especially the brass. It sounds ugly. Kegel's has a better sound but I can't stand Kollo singing.

>>129921419
Hardly, I just lack the ability to articulate further reasons why. It's not solely about the tempo, however. For example, Boulez's Bruckner 8 is also formalist. Solti's, whose runtime is similar, even faster in his Chicago account, is not formalist. Because, like I said, there's more to it than just the tempo. I won't be responding on this argument further. I hope to one day enjoy Boulez's Parsifal and Ring because, once again, I don't find anything objectively flawed about them.

>>129921438
I find Goldberg worse than Kollo desu, and 4:04 is still too slow for my tastes.
>>129921447
>there's more to it than just the tempo.
Now you're catching on. But maybe you should learn to explain why before making statements like this.

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Giulini's Bruckner has the power to save the world

7th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5WGmritcyg&list=OLAK5uy_lV0GucdGMARY_L-Rfhc5BMbUcaun9-zY4&index=1

8th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF3pqzy3Q-A&list=OLAK5uy_lAkehvFkLvCFB0PZvxGo_XTNZm9H8lHG8&index=1

9th w/ Vienna
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxm4xOte5sQ&list=OLAK5uy_kIYY6I2xQ6x4SxHjdn6_6gf1DUbIw9FDY&index=1

9th w/ Chicago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwDqFmh2bjU&list=OLAK5uy_lx2DC3cE9b443fAaJ_wk15hCoj-vC0Ly0&index=3

>>129921478
From sleep deprivation maybe

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>>129921486
>t.

>>129921508
yes. Bruckner is often conducted way too slowly.
music was originally invented for us humans to dance, after all

>>129921518
music was originally invented to honour the gods

>>129921467
Really? Kollo has such an ugly vocal technique to my ears, but plenty of people seem to like him. Can't say I get it.
I'm just happy Kubelik's doesn't sound too slow to me. Levine's and Goodal's do.

>>129921532
NTA, but that is utter nonsense for dumb retards. Music is a product of sexual selection.

>>129921518
music was originally invented to resonate with the cosmic frequences of the heavenly spheres in which our astral ancestors dwell

>>129921532
music was invented back when everyone was an atheist and couldn't even speak

the real purpose of music is to either call for mates if you are a bird or to help you dance for the sake of catharsis

>>129921538
I'm not a Kollo super fan or anything, but he's good enough to my ears. So long as the heldentenor isn't a disaster, it's good enough for me. Obviously King is much, much better, but especially for Parsifal I find myself focusing on the orchestra and its contribution more than the singers.

the purpose of music is to have sex. Beethoven's compositions are shit because he was an incel who didn't even have sex even with all the music he wrote but Bach's music is highstatuseugenics because he had a million kids

>>129921003
>>129921220
pretty good

>>129921600
This is why knowledge is so dangerous in the hands of a midwit.
That's not the sole purpose of music. That's likely why music evolved, now it serves other purposes. It's called exaptation.

>>129921691
Wow you sound like you are really smart and hot and you probably have really big private parts as well.

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>modern Wagner suc--ACK!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCqbFrylUI4&list=OLAK5uy_n6PP2rTx8JeNvvtHIiRTSjpVdaiuk0CZ0&index=50

In seriousness, as far as modern cycles go, this one by Simone Young is superior to either of Thielemann's, as well as Sir Mark Elder's. Zweden's is probably better but I'll have to do another listen for a proper comparison. All I know is this one is consistently good, Thielemann's is consistently meh, and Elder's is a mix of good, meh, and bleh.

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now playing

start of Brahms: Symphony No. 1 in C Minor, Op. 68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA8ianDgCfQ&list=OLAK5uy_kHGG1WxU4_AGloT4olAfNPDAYBjpfYbTE&index=2

start of Brahms: Symphony No. 3 in F Major, Op. 90
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJJR81NmsOk&list=OLAK5uy_kHGG1WxU4_AGloT4olAfNPDAYBjpfYbTE&index=5

youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kHGG1WxU4_AGloT4olAfNPDAYBjpfYbTE&si=PCydsTPmJIuR8jGQ

>>129921697
Lol

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wait a second, Kathryn Stott has a set of Chopin's Nocturnes? how did I miss this? give it a listen!

it opens with the Op. 66 Fantasie-Impromptu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HpEA9kpM0o&list=OLAK5uy_knrNyCT5VkuQ_UDLDprYB1cj19JQidRDg&index=2

then here's some links for assorted Nocturnes for those who don't wanna listen to the entire thing, or want to sample some first
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4AlvE0c3QI&list=OLAK5uy_knrNyCT5VkuQ_UDLDprYB1cj19JQidRDg&index=5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tvyh0kGAj4Q&list=OLAK5uy_knrNyCT5VkuQ_UDLDprYB1cj19JQidRDg&index=9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Inknhuw7Y&list=OLAK5uy_knrNyCT5VkuQ_UDLDprYB1cj19JQidRDg&index=14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I0dqzlgtRs&list=OLAK5uy_knrNyCT5VkuQ_UDLDprYB1cj19JQidRDg&index=16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-atcyzoN9c&list=OLAK5uy_knrNyCT5VkuQ_UDLDprYB1cj19JQidRDg&index=18

love Kathryn Stott, and I'm sure this will live up to her usual standard of quality.

>Kathryn Stott's Chopin is very romantic, seldom understated, with a wide dynamic range... She can change from a raptly gentle manner to a passionate ardour, yet she touches the listener by her very calmness. --Penguin Guide

>Right from the start she opens your ears to the mystery of shadow-land and night. Her playing is both deeply felt and sensitive, and always with melody beguilingly sung. --Gramophone

>>129921819
oh, and I suppose to be fair, I should include the Barcarolle Op. 60 that closes the recording
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZueMZriYXM&list=OLAK5uy_knrNyCT5VkuQ_UDLDprYB1cj19JQidRDg&index=23

>>129917648
I like this review,
https://www.vanclassicalmusic.com/angela-hewitt-further-distills-the-greatness-of-bachs-welltempered-clavier

>One cannot say enough about Hewitt’s skill in execution, her ability to secure transparency in rhythm, shading and detail, and her capacity to weave an enticing narrative over the whole. While her live performances of the complete Well-Tempered Clavier a decade ago were fully memorable, this current rendering of Book I was unquestionably more commanding: her playing seemed consistently more luminous and concentrated than before, with the ‘meaning’ of many of the pieces mined and sharpened more decisively.

>Hewitt’s later recording has a wonderful sense of deliberative unfolding and features a masterly use of colour in consort with keen structural and rhythmic awareness; no listener would ever regard it as other than a supreme achievement. Yet could it be that the passage of a decade has made the pianist think the approach is slightly too modest or compromising? Like Hewitt's performance of the Goldberg Variations here last March (review), this new reading of Book I of the Well-Tempered Clavier seemed more dramatic and spontaneous, with even greater extremes of tempos and rhythmic emphasis and, to some extent, a greater reaching to the celestial heavens. It seemed like a fuller and more direct statement of what the pianist really wanted to say, and an ultimate flowering of the possibilities for contrast and dramatic expression in the pieces. In lesser hands, the increased intensity and range might easily be seen as mannered and too romantic; here it was presented with such intellectual absorption and discipline that it all made perfect sense. In fact, it seemed that an already strong narrative line was further nourished. Hewitt’s secret lay in referring to extremes very consistently throughout the work, so one always had the idea that they were integral to the penetration of the deepest secrets of these 24 supreme pieces.

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>>129913741

I wonder if Scriabin likes the taste of blood.

>>129922239
I don't think skeletons qualify as vampires.

>>129921705
>this one by Simone Young is superior to either of Thielemann's, as well as Sir Mark Elder's.
This is like a teacher arguing which student amongst their F bombers are better. There's still no reason to listen to a cycle as mid as these.

>>129922239
It's called Borscht, anon. The red is Beet(hoven)root.

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>>129922277
>mid
my rebuttal
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>>129922655
*laughs in wobble and horrible diction*
Also the sound quality isn't even good lmao
I really do think Levine was paid off for that review, there's no excusing it

>>129919899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCbv3G9GnSs&list=OLAK5uy_lok-LY1QfEqNRdGd3alVXqKWBETo5o5iQ
i guess late ones but not live

>>129919899
>>129922723
I actually personally remastered this one over the course of a few weeks. There's a lot of careful restoration that you have to do, including manual adjustment on certain instruments because they were captured too loudly.

Here's all the Mengelberg restorations I've done. It's much better than the other shite on YouTube and on other labels:
https://gofile.io/d/xx0EQd
So, his Schubert symphonies 8-9, Mahler symphony 4, Franck Symphony, and Brahms symphony 1

All of the recordings sound pretty good for their vintage, but they're a bit variable. I would say the Brahms 1 sounds best on the whole.

>>129922277
>>129922674
In seriousness, you do have a point. As one of the anons here who is most fervently supportive of trying new recordings because of fresh interpretive ideas (and supporting contemporary musicians!), for opera, this doesn't really seem to be the case, at least for works that have a robust quantity of recordings, as all Wagner ones do. So yes, there isn't really anything Zweden, Young, Thielemann, and Elder do that you can't get from any previous high audio quality set from Solti to Karajan to Levine to Boulez to Barenboim, and often done better. There only reason would be if one prefers modern singing, which no one does (though I do like to mix it up every so often!), and, like I said, supporting contemporary musicians. So why do I do it? I don't know. It's fun I guess. And to see on the off-chance that maybe they *do* do anything new, different, fresh, interesting, and, however unlikely, better. Which they don't. But yeah, you're right.

>>129922299
I know but if Scriabin likes blood as well, that would be nice. I am concerned with how he eats borscht at the piano.

>mozart 17
:/
>schubert 21
:)
>beethoven 32
:D
>scriabin 5
:O

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouXqkGsyB3w

>>129921600
sexhavers can't create art. the brain is irreversibly damaged the first time you have sex and gets worse the more you have it, until you end up a syphilitic pile of mush staring out a window

>>129922997
Puccini was able to create art and he was a well documented ladies gentleman.

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>mfw my streaming account got banned for "botting/account sharing" and when I appealed, they denied it and replied, "no human individual can possibly listen to this music classical day-after-day"

>>129922957
Schubert 21 above all of these. Easily.

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>>129923002
Are you serious?

>>129922997
How about gay sex?

>>129922957
is that last face you getting ready to suck cock?

>>129922848
>>129922674
although most of it sucks ass I WILL die on the hill that the Siegfried is good on account of Simon o'neill and Heidi Melton being a pretty good pair of Siegfried and Brunnhilde
the Erda is AWFUL and I don't even remember the Wotan. the Mime is alright.

>>129923368
Your cock, yes

>>129923368
No, it's me about to go to town on the pussy of aesthetic sublimity.

>>129923400
I like Stephen Gould as Siegfried on Thielemann's.

And most importantly, I think Simone Young's conducting is great. It has a kind of forward-propulsion, a poetic aggressiveness. Unlike Thielemann's which sounds like it's being conducted by a bot and Elder's which is conducted by an Englishman.

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>mfw english conductors that aren't barbirolli

challenge: try to listen to this recording of vaughan williams 2 without falling asleep (impossibru!!!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TuV379n3Pc&list=OLAK5uy_n12D6wIN8rz3J3sgYJBrkCXNlZoGak3_0&index=1

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Walhall floating above the Brahmsfog.

>>129923924
:D

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>>129913741

does any sane human being actually like Sorabji or is it memeing

>>129925051
sequentia cyclica is worth a try if you like that kind of busoni lineage of pianism IMO

>>129925051
He's ugly unlike my Scriabin and Puccini.

>>129925051
>does any sane human being actually like Sorabji

no. he was a retarded gay jeet scribbler.

>>129925072
I like Busoni guess I'll check it out
>>129925346
homophobic and racist + /pol/speak; opinion discarded

>>129925357
/pol/speak

my post was purely factual. I apologise if unfiltered truth offends you.

Sorabji was ugly.

five works you have to like or you might not even be human

Rimsky-Korsakov - Scheherazade
Wagner - Siegfried Idyll
Beethoven - Archduke Trio
Schubert - Piano Sonata No. 21, D. 960
Franck - Violin Sonata

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZO4KFPDqE

>>129925745
lmao

>>129925745
>>129925805
typical mossad false flag operation

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Lohengrin night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XVUjmacU0U&list=OLAK5uy_nikja4ywMUpC5PoCcxgEE10aA0MUzXBLQ&index=1

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Did you listen to George Lloyd's Symphony No. 5 yet?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqBsMfn8fy8

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>Baroque is King
>Renaissance is queen
Is there a more beautiful feeling than the ecstasy and spiritual renewal composers like Bach, Zelenka, Vivaldi, Morales, Lassus, Palestrina, and De Rore can give you?

>>129925869
>Lloyd served in World War II with the Royal Marines as a Bandsman. On board the cruiser HMS Trinidad on Arctic convoys he was one of the Bandsmen manning the Transmitting Station, which was situated deep in the hull of the ship. In 1942, during an engagement, the ship fired a faulty torpedo which travelled in a circular track and hit the ship, fracturing a large fuel oil tank.

>Many of Lloyd's shipmates were drowned in the fuel oil, and he was the last man to escape from the compartment.He suffered severe mental and physical trauma from the shell shock, and was hospitalised before being discharged from the Royal Marines. After 4 years he was well enough to start composing again, through the devotion and love of his Swiss wife, Nancy.

jesus

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>>129925984
Swiss cheese pussy helped keep a man sane

>>129926004
wtf

>>129925984
After four years? Damn. Drowning in fuel oil, not even dying from the explosion, what a dreadful way to go.

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Monthly reminder Sibelius does in fact have some solo piano music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HxfJQIxk2Y&list=OLAK5uy_kehB1-JgaWkrGnxpdSbSF4R8W8KB5hP0Q&index=6

>Swedish pianist Leif Ove Andsnes follows his string of award-winning Beethoven concerto recordings with a new album of solo piano works by Finnish composer, Jean Sibelius. Sibelius wrote over 150 works for the piano, but the composer"&"rsquo;s works for the instrument have long languished in the shadow of his orchestral music. Andsnes scoured Sibelius"&"rsquo; entire piano output, carefully selecting the pieces he believes deserve recognition and with which he feels a strong personal connection, uncovering intriguing works with the wonderful Sibelius qualities we know. This new recording includes the composer"&"rsquo;s own piano arrangement of his famous Valse triste, excerpts from the popular Ten Pieces Op 24 and early Six Impromptus Op 5, as well as the piano score that is often considered Sibelius"&"rsquo;s finest: the expressive Three Lyric Pieces Op 41 subtitled Kyllikki. An important aspect for Andsnes in compiling the recording was to follow the chronology of the works which span most of Sibelius"&"rsquo; career. The pianist sees himself on a mission to present this neglected facet of the Finnish composer.

>>129926338
fptsiu.

>>129926338
Andsneed

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Paavo Jarvi's Mahler 7 just dropped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njehvcLk6WA&list=OLAK5uy_nw8fE5qQzffuUGmUarAxovw7JL4kYvQZ8&index=1

>Paavo Järvi and the Tonhalle-Orchester Zürich continue their complete cycle of Mahler symphonies with the Seventh, considered one of his most complex and challenging symphonies: "The Mahler we encounter in Symphony No. 7 is more complex, darker, and more philosophical than the Mahler we know from his previous works," says Paavo Järvi. Mahler, who was extremely busy in his role as director of the Vienna Opera, composed this symphony on the shores of Lake Wörthersee in Austria during the summers of 1904 and 1905. Also known as Song of the Night, this symphony is characterized by rich instrumentation (including a guitar and mandolin in the fourth movement) and spectacular orchestral effects: "Here, nature roars," Mahler said of the tenor horn solo at the beginning of the work.

>Still, one cannot accuse Järvi of inconsistency. This is very much of a piece with his previous Mahler recordings: excellently played, lucid, and often revealing, with a lighter and sometimes more objective side of Mahler brought to the fore. It stands alongside accounts by conductors like Osmo Vänskä (review) or Adam Fischer as a compelling alternative to the more heavily romanticized tradition. ---- Tal Agam, The Classic Review

>>129926766
>"The Mahler we encounter in Symphony No. 7 is more complex, darker, and more philosophical than the Mahler we know from his previous works," says Paavo Järvi.
What's funny is you could say this about the 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, or 9th, lol.

Hot take: Siegfried is a lot of fun to watch, but for listening, only the third act works as standalone, enjoyable music. I find myself zoning in and out during the endless yapping of the first and second acts. Or maybe I'm just really picky with the voice of Siegfried and the Mime.

>>129926815
Siegfried is kind of like Wagner's attempt at writing popular children's entertainment. It's fairy-tale and puppet like. Which is why he was so annoyed when the public cared more about Die Walkure (and still does).

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>>129926904
>Which is why he was so annoyed when the public cared more about Die Walkure (and still does).
Not only does the entire work hold up as pure music, it also holds up as an independent narrative. Then you add the iconic moments. It's no surprise it's the most popular one. Funny how the creators/artists are often blind to what makes their most popular work so.

>>129926928
>it also holds up as an independent narrative
No doubt the music holds up better, but the narrative? I don't think so. Siegfried famously has the least do with the rest of the story of all the Ring operas. Walkure is complex, it has those long monologues and is about the fate of the gods and Wotan's plan and all that, meanwhile Siegfried is just a simple story about a hero.

fug now I've got the closing aria of Siegfried stuck in my head
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeRqIzw2N-s&list=OLAK5uy_kXIEdvOr-JacrTykGxNZedM2H5Md5wRR8&index=50

>>129926995
Walkure is complex but you can understand everything on its own. All the character motivations, the plots, a story arc, it's all there. Siegfried is literally a prequel. The first act is an exposition dump. And then the ending, you're wondering who the fuck is this sleeping chick? Everyone in DW is properly introduced and explained.

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>>129927064
>closing aria

>>129927118
:p

>>129902907
what is the Infinite Jest of classical music?

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>>129927139
hmm, maybe...

Top 5 symphonists:

1. Beethoven
2. Haydn
3. Bruckner
4. Sibelius
5. Mozart

>>129927152
>Stockhausen

not music.

>>129927163
oh that's perfect then because DFW and IJ are not litera-- nah, too easy

>>129927118
closing scene? closing part(s)? closing movement?

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>>129927139

>>129927191
Duet, it's a duet anon.

>>129927242
Well sure, if you want to be all technical about it...

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>>129927139

>>129927264
>long winded pretentious slop

yup. I think we have a winner.

>>129927311
On the flip, My Father Knew Charles Ives is surely in the top ten names of any classical piece of music ever, so you gotta give Adams a bit of credit for that.

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reminder that gotta go fast is always the most valid approach to Wagner's music

>>129927442
So I should move all of the Goodall recordings with his overly broad tempos to the recycle bin?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjDgrbAMlg8&list=OLAK5uy_lmMEjSgRUgGJJzS_sLcZ3bf8hCtXoWAXU&index=36

Sad.

Wait, Beethoven was black??

>tfw hour-and-a-half left of the recording/playlist but I'm not sure if I can fall asleep by then so debating if I should change to something else that'll have the needed runtime and it's causing me anxiety because I really wanna finish listening to this
fug

Actual top 5 symphonists:

1. Mahler
2. *power gap*
3. *power gap*
4. *power gap*
5. *Bruckner*

>>129927774
>debating
You have schizophrenia.

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>>129902907
Thanks, hon
Have a 3rd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c2U7blxHn8

Do you prefer Mozart symphony 39 or 40? Which do you consider superior?

>>129929003
40.

now playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wSNSk97hEY

>>129929003
39

>>129929090
contrarian faggot.

>>129929100
>getting this mad over someone with a different opinion
life won't be easy, kid

>>129929003
I prefer 40, but I consider 39 superior.

>>129929105
not as hard as the life of a contrarian faggot.

>>129918558
Boult is largely unsurpassed in most English repertoire from Elgar on, what are you talking about. Granted that's a tallest dwarf type recommendation, but he's absolutely great compared to the slopfest that is Barbirolli.

>>129929139
yeah sorry but the life of an autist IS harder lol

>>129929121
Is this irony?

Would Puccini like AKB48?

>>129929231
It is not even irony, I just said something for the sake of saying something.

>>129929261
is that a gun?

>>129929288
japanese idol group. it's an oblique reference to Madame Butterfly

>>129927139
>>129927152
>>129927200
too midcentury. Infinite Jest is the midcentury style in its decadence. >>129927264 is probably closer

Bernstein lol

Stockhausen is more interesting than Mozart

>>129929880
Correct.

I wanted to walk with Scriabin last night. It was beautiful.

>>129929880
Literally any great composer (top 50+) is consistently more interesting than vast majority of Mozart's oeuvre, but Stockhausen isn't great he's shit.

>>129929884
Which piece

>>129929891
Stockhausen is too complex for this general

>>129929880
>>129929891
know-nothings

>>129929892
I wanted to physically walk with him and hold his hand. But also I like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfYMFNjSMnU

>>129929895
More like too shit.
>>129929905
But enough about you.

Can't believe Hurwitz career was made by Bernstein. No wonder he's always sucking up to him.

>>129929914
That's the only Scriabin piece I like. Anything like it?

Why are classical album covers so lame? why are there no classical music concept albums?

>>129930082
What is a concept album?

>>129930086
It's mostly a prog thing, you wouldn't get it

>>129930090
So how is it relevant to classical music?

>>129930077
Listen to his B minor fantasy immediately.

>>129930096
I made an observation. Classical is lame in this regard. No use of non-traditional instruments allowed, no freedom for album covers

>>129927452
I always get a laugh every time Goodall is mentioned just because I remember that he was a devoted Nazi and holocaust denier for his entire life and no one seemed to care.

>>129930177
>No use of non-traditional instruments allowed
That's like saying Renaissance Sculpture is bad because it only used stone, bronze, terracotta and wood as materials. Okay, you want to be different and make a feces sculpture, go ahead and see if it's any good.

>>129930177
>no freedom for album covers
What are you talking about lol. They have all the freedom in the world in that regard. What a stupid comment.
No one is prohibiting you of using non-traditional instrument either. You can go ahead and record with them.
You progfags are utter fucking midwits.

>>129930207
They don't, it's always the same formula, perfomer next to his instrument of a church, no originality, no risks taken
>You can go ahead and record with them
Well, most performers dont even bother using them even in this century. Wake me up when someone ads metal-esque drumming to a classical piece, with guitars harmonizing the classical intruments, etc