Young conductors don't know their profession

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyBPZY8oMl8

>>129930182
>I always get a laugh every time Goodall is mentioned just because I remember that he was a devoted Nazi and holocaust denier for his entire life and no one seemed to care.
wait whaaat

Basic Errors of Today's Specialists of so-called Authentic Performance Practice

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_BBwGpN0ak

>>129930594
It's just innocuously sitting on his wikipedia bio as if there's nothing strange about it.

>>129930594
>>129930650
when you're talented enough they let you get away with it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJRxlzTEKA8&list=OLAK5uy_nevn2_pvsNVTR3OAVcR_szQLZNEnmFgik&index=5

his Tristan is in the top five recordings ever tbqh. his Ring and Parsifal I'm still deciding on

I am in love with Scriabin.

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feels like a Tannhauser -> Gotterdammerung -> Parsifal day

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHawNTIfFqI&list=OLAK5uy_k1VOKTJtEEGwTltjdOtQkgnzVpaqm7m-g&index=1

Such a shame Sinopoli didn't record all of Wagner's other operas (he has a recording of The Flying Dutchman). Whenever I see this kind of situation, where a big-name conductor records only one major work of a great composer, I always wonder the circumstances behind it -- did they only like the one work (as is the case with Bernstein and Bruckner 9)? did they not think they had anything worthwhile to say about any of the other works (this is, supposedly, why Levine never recorded any Bruckner, because he didn't think he could surpass Karajan [might be apocryphal])? Who knows.

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Pollini's Chopin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsnyCAjbpgo&list=OLAK5uy_miiRAYnN8k-oy9p6LydL2bYa70nrHQj4c&index=18

RachAnon, do you have a ranking/tier-list of Rachmaninoff's Preludes and Etudes?

enough with the Wagner spamming. go listen to another composer ffs

>>129931094
Sorry anon, I'm hooked. Tomorrow I'll do a Verdi/Puccini day, then after that a Russian opera only day.

Does Puccini like garlic bread?

>>129929173
Barbirolli is fantastic in non-English repertoire too, a rare quality in an English conductor, who almost always tend to stick with their own countryman (similar to many Russian conductors).

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now playing

start of Schumann: Piano Concerto in A Minor, Op. 54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6DDXE7GYmk&list=OLAK5uy_l42lXMKvWLOl7zqBpJnrtkEcwHcmOZY-g&index=2

start of Schumann: Violin Concerto in D Minor, WoO 23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyTnEtpTVIU&list=OLAK5uy_l42lXMKvWLOl7zqBpJnrtkEcwHcmOZY-g&index=4

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_l42lXMKvWLOl7zqBpJnrtkEcwHcmOZY-g

>>129930594
not surprised that Goodal was crazy his style was eccentric as hell (and fucking awful, too)

>>129931521
You gotta learn to luxuriate in his languid, broad, tranquil soundscape, anon.

>>129931551
id rather listen to music with a sense of melody and rythm thank you

>>129931574
His Gotterdammerung runtimes tops off at 312 minutes/5 hours and 12 minutes, lmao

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqWrF7aKsk8&list=OLAK5uy_laMGm6pRXS753PXodJLNbWuVqEss2Ea5Y&index=1

his Tristan is bomb though, and people seem to rate both his Ring and Parsifal highly. But I understand not liking them and his approach.

>>129931617
Jesus fucking Christ that's a whole hour over Keilberth. It's considerably slower than even Kna.

>>129931632
you WILL luxuriate! bathe in the slow waves of Wagnerian strings and winds!

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Favorite recording of Schumann's Fantasie in C, Op. 17? Here's three great ones,

Andsnes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZ7hE4lQAYs

Annie Fischer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77m5DlCJ6wk

and, of course, Richter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEjhA3QVdJA

Top 40 Bach Cantatas (Unified Must-Listen List)

#01 BWV 140
#02 BWV 147
#03 BWV 80
#04 BWV 82
#05 BWV 106
#06 BWV 4
#07 BWV 78
#08 BWV 12
#09 BWV 21
#10 BWV 29
#11 BWV 110
#12 BWV 61
#13 BWV 36
#14 BWV 66
#15 BWV 34
#16 BWV 30
#17 BWV 172
#18 BWV 119
#19 BWV 194
#20 BWV 76
#21 BWV 182
#22 BWV 149
#23 BWV 130
#24 BWV 57
#25 BWV 35
#26 BWV 169
#27 BWV 54
#28 BWV 51
#29 BWV 199
#30 BWV 170
#31 BWV 8
#32 BWV 105
#33 BWV 46
#34 BWV 95
#35 BWV 27
#36 BWV 39
#37 BWV 65
#38 BWV 41
#39 BWV 68
#40 BWV 104

>>129931028
No. Do you mean performance sets or the individual pieces?

>>129931905
Moiseiwitsch by far obviously.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfGmISHll84

>>129930684
Too slow. Any Tristan over 4 hours is getting the boot, no matter how well sung.

>>129931905
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WLCkyU74wA

Les Troyens

>>129932193
>>129932258
I'll agree with these. Backhaus has a very good early one too.

>>129932178
Individual pieces. Best Preludes or Etudes to the worst (ie least good) ones.

>>129925893
>no solo piano music
dismissed

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[Editor's Caption: the kitty hears Bach's Goldberg Variations playing softly in the distance on piano, and experiences her first taste of the sublime, miraculously transforming her into a self-aware proletarian subject with class consciousness, free from the stranglehold of false capitalist ideology; thanks to Bach's angelic music, she will spend the rest of her life fighting for labor rights and economic equality, and against the oppressive, wealthy elites]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzKl121n3Jw&list=OLAK5uy_lDPSgCjgjxFJ7xfZmSbpOfdx3cqaqGr54&index=26

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>>129932222
b-b-but anon...

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So anyone peep the new Mahler 7 from Paavo Jarvi/Tonhalle-Orchester Zurich?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njehvcLk6WA&list=OLAK5uy_nw8fE5qQzffuUGmUarAxovw7JL4kYvQZ8&index=1

Also, if your browser has a translate function, check out this interview with Paavo Jarvi about his Mahler cycle in progress, it has some great tidbits, thoughts, and quotes,
https://tonhalle-orchester.ch/news/paavo-jaervi-interview-mahler-zyklus/

>Paavo, why is it time for Mahler now?
>To me, Mahler sums up all the music history that came before him, a lot of people have realized that, Leonard Bernstein was arguably the first to say it. Mahler was perhaps really the last great symphonist We could talk about Shostakovich, about Prokofiev And of course there are others, I don't want to deny them anything. But this type of symphonic tradition in German-speaking countries ended with Mahler, although the word «end» doesn't actually fit: after a performance of Mahler's music, I always have the feeling that it could take another step forward, that another level could be explored – this feeling has accompanied me for 15 years since I first did a Mahler cycle in Frankfurt. And now, with the Tonhalle Orchestra Zurich, I have musicians*at my side who can really take this step. They understand this kind of depth and virtuosity and bring with them the agogical understanding, to get very close to Mahler's inner world.

well said, Paavo

>>129932572
Yup. Too slow. Much as I admire Furtwangler's Wagner at times, he was too slow. I even find his Rome Ring too slow. He tempi became much slower in those works after 1950, when his health started to decline.

He did an earlier Tristan und Isolde live for which we have Act 2 complete on record, and it's one of the fastest performed, and is absolutely electrifying. I don't consider his post-50s Wagner to be an accurate representation of his style in Wagner desu. The Die Walkure is alright, I guess. It's not that slow and is still amazingly sung.
>>129932736
I wrote this about the performance:
>Järvi's Mahler 7 is likely the best of his cycle so far. The audio quality is good, especially for a modern recording, and the playing is, as expected, effortless, if a little generic. The balances aren't quite to my liking -- a little more wind focus in the tuttis would have been nice -- and he still uses the inferior orchestral layout that combines the first and second violin sections, robbing us of Mahler's rich antiphonal effects. I have seen some critics (like David Hurwitz) comment that this is too quick a reading, and honestly, I have to question their judgment; this is above average in tempo for a modern recording, yes, but in the overall discography it still leans toward average. There are many faster readings, some of which the aforementioned critic(s) have lavished with unabashed praise, so I do not understand the criticism. It is true that Järvi tends to underplay tempo fluctuations at a few points (the first movement coda comes to mind), but, if anything, I welcome such an interpretive change from the mainstream. Most conductors tend to stretch out Mahler's instructions to the point of exaggeration. But I digress; this is a fairly solid recording in the modern tradition.

>>129932410
I'll make one, which one you'd prefer? Maybe I'll even do both sometime.

>>129932794
>I wrote this about the performance:
Nice! I like it. The 7th works best with a bit of speed and verve, imo. The soundscape approach exemplified by Bernstein and Chailly and of course Klemperer and many others is no doubt valid, but I think it sounds best when it's a little waltzy -- not a nighttime soundscape, but a dreamy adventure.

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>>129932794
>Yup. Too slow. Much as I admire Furtwangler's Wagner at times, he was too slow. I even find his Rome Ring too slow. He tempi became much slower in those works after 1950, when his health started to decline.
B-B-BUT ANON...!

Nah, I appreciate you have your preference. I always forget how relatively fast Bohm's is. At three-and-a-half it's a substantial difference. Not even Janowski is that quick!

>>129932816
Up to you, it's your list(s)! I'd just figured since you have one for the Nocturnes, maybe you'd have one for Rachmaninoff too. I figured you enjoy making lists as much as I do.

>>129932794
>>129932834
correction: not a dreamy soundscape, but a nocturnal adventure*

That wording works better, lol.

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>The TC Top 200 Recommended Post-1950 Works List
Well? How many have you listened to, anon? You *are* cultured and into classical music, aren't you? So you should be familiar, and if not, work on becoming familiar with these works.

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>>129933031
It really is astonishing that Ligeti's Requiem can be utilized so many times and have such a hold on pop culture, and yet you still hear something new every time you listen to it. There’s a 50 year graveyard of pieces that try to emulate Ligeti’s micropolyphonic music, but can you imagine being the first person to write like that? There was zero precedent for music like that before Ligeti. He expressed emotions that had never been expressed before in art. It’s also astonishing that after centuries of Catholic tradition, a Transylvanian Jew came along and beat every previous composer at their own game. Ligeti wrote the greatest requiem of all time despite viewing the religious tradition behind the form as, at best, a fascination. If anything, that distance is key: Ligeti understood Catholicism as a vehicle for complex horrors, which is the perfect foundation for a work informed by his experience during the Holocaust. I don’t think a true believer could have done that as effectively.

>>129933031
6 at most. Didn't find any of them to be good enough.

>>129933114
How can you find them not good enough without listening to them

>>129933513
I believe they mean of the six they listened to.

Does Scriabin moisturize his hands before shaking the hand of Nicholas II?

>>129934071
Not sure, but he usually applies vaseline before preparing Borscht after his piano sesh (practicing the 8th).

any other classical album covers I should hang on my wall to match my Sofronitsky Scriabin Recital poster?

I wanna feel those fingers of Scriabin and have him chuckle softly. My beloved Alexander Nikolayevich

Chad Liszt vs Virgin Chopin

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Strauss' Elektra is a real kick in the ass. In a good way!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrN3a--lvP8&list=OLAK5uy_kj08xPEjCFhIAMPuZVtpLKdp4rfUMK4MA&index=1

>the best Bach interpreters are Canadians
Wtf why is this?

>>129935223
but Simon Preston was English?

>>129933031
where the fuck is Schnittke's choir concerto

a true fan of the Ring has edited his favorite recording from multiple different ones in audacity

a true fan of the Ring only listens to it live in Beyreuth

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Mussorgsky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gap4MNSlJLI&list=OLAK5uy_kxfBOTT3knP_lGECvfWrr_29gYttpAv18&index=19

Chopin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YTkw06FpyM

>>129935672
It would appear to be #129 on the larger list.

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Swiss cheese pussy kept a man sane

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>mfw composers don't write poetry for their compositions to explain the meaning of them
>mfw other composers don't write masterpieces they immediately forget about only to be reminded by a pianist playing it in the other room
>mfw germcels can't write erotic music

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>Baroque is King
>Renaissance is queen
Is there a more beautiful feeling than the ecstasy and spiritual renewal composers like Bach, Zelenka, Vivaldi, Morales, Lassus, Palestrina, and De Rore can give you?

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Mozart is chopped, listen to my nigga Haydn and his Spanish flavored sun kissed homie Boccherini

>>129930452
Listened to William Walton's Cello Concerto yesterday and can highly recommend it. Written in 1957 but it's a very romantic piece. If anyone can recommend their favorite recording(s) that would be great.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVO_CevHNnM

>>129936355
Do you think he would enjoy his hair being washed gently?

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>>129936510
probably this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6p9u4gqzmE&list=OLAK5uy_nn7USfkLBeNrCOVnITalQX0gsJsBEplCQ&index=6

Alternatively, Yo-Yo Ma/Previn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wzDFAQFXyM&list=OLAK5uy_mTLOeRoZriHmt7v2gF6iiJREADbbLJ5zI&index=4

Can't believe Beethoven said Spohr were too dissonant and then he writes the Grosse Fugue.

>tfw no mozart cello concerto
>tfw no beethoven cello concerto
>tfw no brahms cello concerto
>tfw no mendelssohn cello concerto
why live

>>129927442
What's the context of the "not an aria" comment?

>tfw listening to a recording and notice the performer has the same last name of an ex and it makes me sad
sigh

>>129936355
>>mfw other composers don't write masterpieces they immediately forget about only to be reminded by a pianist playing it in the other room
Expand on that

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>mfw an opera singer says you're not meant to be able to understand the words when i can understand every word in old opera recordings

>>129937938
That really happen? Makes me feel better about listening to Peter Grimes and not understanding a word.

>Peter Griiiimes!
>Peter Grimes! We-are-here-to-[gibberish continues]

or any other English language opera.

>>129937966
>That really happen?
Unfortunately yes, it's the excuse all opera singers use today. Meanwhile you listen to any opera singer from the 20s or 30s and their diction is as clear as ordinary speech.

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So now that the dust has settled, we all agree this is the greatest recording of Beethoven's Violin Concerto, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFP1eqOviqk&list=OLAK5uy_kOGXRNBvHpyO4JMdnph5G42E0hP5sLWes&index=1

Greater than Karajan/Mutter, greater than Bernstein/Stern, greater than Munch/Heifetz, greater than Cluytens/Oistrakh, greater than Steinberg/Milstein, greater than Haitink/Szeryng, or whatever other option, despite these and many others being great and worthwhile.

>>129937980
They had to differentiate themselves somehow I suppose.

>>129932816
Also, if you do make a list, I should warn you of the power and responsibility you wield, for whichever pieces you put in the top tier will forever imprint themselves onto my subconscious, and for the rest of time whenever I listen to Rachmaninoff's Preludes or Etudes and get to those specific pieces, my mind will pay closer attention and most likely react, "huh, these are the best ones"

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now playing

start of Mendelssohn: String Quintet No. 1 in A Major, Op. 18, MWV R 21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30r-OgZRAkY&list=OLAK5uy_nIVkQOax9mUTLt2dmZrg0tjMeuWEIrTdY&index=2

start of Mendelssohn: String Quintet No. 2 in B-Flat Major, Op. 87, MWV R 33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkfTRHm3cL8&list=OLAK5uy_nIVkQOax9mUTLt2dmZrg0tjMeuWEIrTdY&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nIVkQOax9mUTLt2dmZrg0tjMeuWEIrTdY

>The Doric String Quartet is firmly established as one of the leading quartets of it's generation, receiving enthusiastic responses from audiences and critics around the globe. Following their acclaimed recordings of Mendelssohn's string quartets, here they are joined by leading violist Timothy Rideout for this album of his two string quintets. Mendelssohn's two String Quintets were written at the beginning and end of his short but remarkable compositional life. No 1 was written in 1826, shortly before the Overture to 'A Midsummer Night's Dream', when Mendelssohn was just seventeen. No.2 was written in 1845, when he was thirty-six, a year before the premier of Elijah and just two years before his death.

Much like Mendelssohn's charming two cello sonatas, I often forget these two string quintets exist, which is a shame because they are some of the finest in all the chamber music repertoire. I also often forget about his two piano concertos but they aren't really worth remembering lol.

>>129937938
Modern opera singers are the biggest copers. It's really quite sad how they can't come to terms with the fact that they don't even have a quarter of the talent of old singers.

>>129938075
That sounds discouraging. Our tastes might not align and I hope you're not missing out on op.15 and op.32 nocturnes because I ranked them lower compared to op.62 and op.55 that would be a crime.
However I appreciate your trust and I shall make one for preludes.

>Verdi—Aida
A great ruckus.

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Boccherini (underrated)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VPz1jquFmo

>>129937866
a mozart cello concerto would be too good for mankind and we simply don't deserve it

>>129935716
sorry but I don't care for Hotter or Varnay

>Boccherini
>Cuck chair

>>129939611
yeah it's amazing

Is it Cree-do or Cred-o?

>>129940117
It would probably be as generic, cheesy and forgettable as his violin concertos.
He should've just composed more minor key piano concertos, we don't need anything else.

>>129940740
bait should be believable

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>>129940748
Dogma should be defensible
Ritual should be repeatable
Liturgy should be legible
Belief should be beautiful
What fulfils these conditions in the decadent modern world in which "God is Dead"? Answer: the holy poetry of Richard Wagner and his "Sacred Festival Stage Play" which transforms and supersedes religion.
https://youtu.be/yF0pwSC7qWg?list=PL_Cf5Xxn5OZY1gE9zsWHAjXz6MVz9IZYS

Let's say I'm taking Scriabin to the dentist. What flavor of toothpaste would he enjoy?

>>129940740
dumb teenager

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I'm the Meistersinger

>>129942559
shut up Beckmesser

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So I felt like listening to Mendelssohn's 3rd and 4th, and I searched on Amazon for a new recording, and instead what I found was a new Nelsons' Mendelssohn set, that not only includes the symphonies, but Elijah and Paulus as well!

It doesn't appear to be on YouTube Music yet so I can't link or listen, but I am very excited, should be great. About time for Mendelssohn's oratorios get some of the renown they so rightfully deserve.

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Mozart

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uodyjwSpDus&list=OLAK5uy_lWOSsQvOQt0Q6Ddfgmmbdn9suFfX8uRig&index=1

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>Peter Schreier

>>129943118
truth nuke: the conductors/conducting is of more importance than the singers/singing in vocal works

Truth nuke: the recording engineer/equipment is of more importance than the conductor/conducting in classical works.

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Peter Schreier and Andras Schiff performing Schubert lieder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbpP-U8ChnI&list=OLAK5uy_nKDhTYSFX5X_T8EiGFAUiYLd25MPTZGds&index=1

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In case any newbies are here, this is the essential set to have for Brahms' string quartets/quintets/sextets

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7gd54SVp-Y&list=OLAK5uy_k6DH3crcyUpM9iXdk6Qr340W8AIk2frUk&index=20

I'm giving Scriabin mint toothpaste when he's at the dentist.

>>129943237
lay off the meth, anon, it's doing disagreeable, noxious things to your brain

>>129943260
Why the fuck would anyone do meth? Scriabin would not approve of meth. Would he?

>>129943137
here's your (You)

>>129942842
>but I am very excited, should be great
Why? Nelsons is mid as shit.
>>129943137
A bad conductor and orchestra can be saved by great singers, but a great conductor and orchestra cannot save a performance tainted by terrible singers.

>>129943812
don't bother, you're likely responding some monolinguist who doesn't pay attention to the singing because they don't know the language lol

>>129943812
>Why? Nelsons is mid as shit.
I'm not so much excited for his performance of the symphonies as I am for a big budget, new recording of Elias/Elijah and Paulus. Plus the Gewandhaus always sound great.

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>>129943812
>>129944120
I listened to and quite enjoyed this recording last night, in which I found the conducting to be the star of the show. Granted, I may be biased because I do enjoy modern opera/Wagnerian singing, unlike most here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nguaBg1GYs&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px7_Lz2MjLs&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=21
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGtazruZsHI&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=29
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VBGYptUCcw&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=33
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efamvAFTtdo&list=OLAK5uy_k93gZdsQpS16SHApqUgzPKJ6gWrDq2iXg&index=53

I mean it's not a 10/10, but a 7.5 or even 8 I'd be happy to revisit in the future? Sure.

I don't get this generals obsession with Wagner. Im going in raw to the Rheingold but I doubt Ill like it too much, too much fat ladies wailing

>>129944575
>HeiAhAHahAHaHAhAhAhaAhAHaHaHa--otter...
Complete fucking dogshit.

>>129944602
You have to be into opera, though even if you aren't, his overtures and preludes are still very good. Anyway, the main impetus for his discussion here, beyond the love of his music many of us have, is that there's a lot of things to discuss -- various recordings, the state of modern opera singing, the plot, the man himself, the singers, the staging. Same reason we discuss Mahler and Bruckner more than we discuss, say, Beethoven, Brahms, and Mozart, because again, there's more interesting and divisive variety in the recordings to talk about.

>>129944609
Don't really hear what's special about the conducting either. Sounds pretty soft edged and flabby.

>>129944635
? It's the opposite. There's an edge, a poetic, delicate aggression. Makes it exciting and distinctive, yet without any loss of depth and three-dimensionality like certain some others who go for the aggressive approach. It's like Haitink but, instead of perfunctory and dull, with edge and guts.

>>129944635
>>129944684
Try a couple of those links. If you still don't care for it, well, then, fair enough, this is why we have variety in recordings after all.

>>129944633
>You have to be into opera
I don't think this is accurate. I never liked opera and Wagner immediately blew me away.

>>129944787
Maybe I should have stated into opera/vocal (non-choral) music. Some people are utterly turned off by vocals in classical music. I used to be, I get it. But I suppose you're bound to find an exception or a work that awakens you to it. And I suppose Wagnerian singing is distinctive, so I can understand liking him but not, say, Puccini or Verdi or whatever, though I think it should mean you can at least get into the operas of Strauss and Mozart.

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Backhaus' Beethoven

11th, Op. 22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KejHnOzm8s&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=37

12th, Op. 26 "Funeral March"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oCJsrEQo6ag&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=41

13th, Op. 27 No. 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Zum0fmTg78&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=45

14th, Op. 27 No. 2 "Moonlight"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziZv-gA5NzQ&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=49

15th, Op. 28 "Pastorale"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeTZM52WsRA&list=OLAK5uy_lERwjwx0bBOki3BE8CqdGpNXNOkgmTAcU&index=51

Love this cycle.

Holllywood could rake in milions if they made a high budget Ring Cycle. They don't know what they are missing out on

>>129944989
converted to a musical, written by Lin-Manuel Miranda, taking place in the streets of Chicago

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>>129944989
>Brunnhilde

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>>129945065
>mfw there's already a Marvel "Brunnhilde"
The memes write themselves.

>>129944684
>poetic, delicate
Nice way to say soft edged. There is nothing excited about this at all, the attacks of the strings are so legato laden that any sense of rhythm or drama is heavily undercut in the Act 2 drama. Moving on,
https://youtu.be/sgpQztiI0Us?t=197
Just listen to the end of the final scene where all hell is supposed to breaking loose. What an anti-climax. If I heard this in concert I would boo without hesitation. Where's my double forte? Where's the rhythmic gallop?
https://youtu.be/QZ0J249VoYQ?list=OLAK5uy_mVFJ0IchfokdbCO9sxf1kiToxrcXjidmQ&t=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfWPVo28-oU
Even Levine's, which is a cycle I really don't like, gets this correct:
https://youtu.be/2lUOwmmaOKY?list=PLdY1CsVLZQ3W5JzWDYJphEL9TU__ZkE-r&t=865
Most of the major ones mog Young here. Her conducting is boring as shit.

>>129945109
also the decision to underplay the rhine/water motif (portrayed here with arpeggiated strings/winds) while bringing forth the curse motif more to forefront seems like seriously bad judgement. It's okay to bring it to the front a bit at first, but the audio/visual depiction of Hagen getting 'dragged' underneath the water to his death is totally lost here, while in you instantly tell what's going in Bohm's. you can really hear the Rhine "eating" up Hagen whole

do you guys actually have all the leitmotifs memorized

>>129945243
Don't underestimate the mental illness of a Wagnerian

>>129945109
>If I heard this in concert I would boo without hesitation.
kek

Pull a Boulez and shout "Merde!" ?

Well, I appreciate you giving it a try and giving your input. Maybe my standards are low because the last two cycles I listened to were Mark Elder and Thielemann, both of whom had very, very safe conducting, so whatever perceived edge in Young's is mostly there by comparison. I still maintain it's solid though. Don't worry, Bohm's will be the next I listen to. It'll be my first re-listen to it.

>>129945243
>>129945275
There's only like 130 of them at most

>>129945243
Keep in mind the leitmotifs don't necessarily need to be consciously recognized. They accomplish their emotional, musical effect in isolation too, ex. the youthful adventurism of Siegfried's or the wise gravitas of Wotan's.

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now playing

start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 7 in D Minor, Op. 70, B. 141
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvl1ryLY8Kk&list=OLAK5uy_naLzkTnBNK9jTtSe74pP2bqnjvPe0bREw&index=10

start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 8 in G Major, Op. 88, B. 163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9J_t1OmrY_A&list=OLAK5uy_naLzkTnBNK9jTtSe74pP2bqnjvPe0bREw&index=15

start of Dvorak: Symphony No. 9 in E Minor, Op. 95, B. 178 "From the New World"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4na7pOt2cY&list=OLAK5uy_naLzkTnBNK9jTtSe74pP2bqnjvPe0bREw&index=19

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_naLzkTnBNK9jTtSe74pP2bqnjvPe0bREw

>Sir Colin Davis's recording of Dvorák's Symphony No 9 was the first title recorded and released on LSO Live, immediately establishing the label's international reputation. In celebration of it's 25th anniversary, LSO Live presents a remastered edition of Dvorák's Symphonies Nos 6-9, recorded with Davis in the label's early years. As one of the leading figures of nationalism in music, Dvorák's symphonies exude the essence of his Czech homeland. The influence of his native Bohemia shines out from every one of the symphonies, which are full of drama and laced with rich folk melodies. These recordings are paired with works by Smetana and Janácek, who also drew on the mythology and pastoral beauty of their beloved country. Janácek's "Sinfonietta" showcases the Czech musical tradition through dancing strings and celebratory brass, while Smetana's six tone poems that form "Má vlast" depict aspects of Czech myth and natural wonders, including the river Vltava as it flows through the countryside and into Prague. The release of this album in 2024 also marks the 200th anniversary of Smetana's birth, the 120th of Dvorák's death, and the 170th of Janácek's birth.

I'd be surprised if there was anyone who didn't like Dvorak's final three symphonies.

Scriabin Diner

>>129945710
They finally got the light on the letter 'N' fixed?

>>129945517
is there like a video with all of them somewhere

>Arabella has gradually become the most popular of Strauss's operas after Der Rosenkavalier and it is not really surprising.

huh who would have thought

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JZh2N0f8wA&list=OLAK5uy_n26trW9FYPfxdWPTFOhQBPqCLwctj4L0g&index=1

do all of the female parts in Strauss' operas have the direction, "hysteria"?

I love you Scriabin

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What is similar to this?

>>129946012
Check out Bach's other piano music. Well-Tempered Clavier, Art of Fugue, French Suites, English Suites, Partitas, Inventions. Gould has recordings of them all if you particularly like his approach.

>>129946012
If you're specifically referring to the variations structure, then Beethoven's Diabelli Variations has the exact same structure, though doesn't quite sound the same as it's from a different era.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PebmYKm-BE4

>>129946012
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FU189_fW7Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAI4-9yc6kA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCmMYh6S5XA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9tbCkACbGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG367OBh2Sg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiDtLscGnn8

>>129946040
>Variations structure
Idk what that means but I'll listen to these.

>be at party
>"oh yeah I'm a huge fan of [composer]"
>hour or so later
>somebody starts playing a bit of classical
>"oh this is great, who is it?"
>"anon, it's [composer]"
my nightmare

>>129945109
The specific moment you linked, it is impossible to deny the three you linked did it better.

>>129946081
Meant for this too >>129946057
>>129946079
Thanks

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Wherefore does the enchanted forest sing its secrets to me? It tells me now that I am the king of the once and future world. The lark trills, the eagle screams, and the giggling nymphs bathe in the supernaturally blue waters of the Oracular Pool. I step forward to receive their vision, and lo! Ancient dragons, fairy castles! The yodelling bard walks a weary road, calling out for knights of faith to hear his melancholy and redeem the tragic renunciate with a sword of justice! The whole world is lost and reconquered before my very eyes.

Alas, it is over too soon! This is but a foretaste of what awaits the pilgrim soul when he surrenders to the genius of Richard Wagner.
https://youtu.be/iXUjuxF2oIY

Brahms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgmMHtRV_c0

>>129945065
>>129945090
lmao

>>129946115
kek
couldn't be me though, I've memorized every Mozart piece

>>129937224
Thank you!

you see, shit like this: >>129946364 is why we have rules 1 and 2.

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>>129948257
Listen. This is /classical/, not "plebbit". We only discuss patrician refined music here. You are on the wrong bus stop, but instead of being a civil individual and leaving, you are instead creating a "ruckus" for the other waiting passengers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMw0EjLFPXw Wagner showed us the dangers of being a "faustian" man, not with long essays and tedious literature, but with elegant sound and smooth instrumentation. You are the devil, "Mephistopheles" trying to seduce us poor souls into degeneracy.

W.

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let's get Choral

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a_v7lGgSCc&list=OLAK5uy_nbF7vAcMnuyM5ZxbqkSMiRwxAcp3arSvY&index=57

Eight hours of Schubert's secular choral music performed by the talented Arnold Schoenberg Choir, why isn't this recording in your library already!?

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speaking of Schubert, now playing, with the new Eric Lu release

start of Schubert: 4 Impromptus, Op. 90, D. 899
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F2UudZ_6Uk&list=OLAK5uy_nzMAUWmgRtYuXU2XTYxaNg_4Ypftw9SLU&index=2

start of Schubert: 4 Impromptus, Op. Posth. 142, D. 935
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHY-W8oO8DE&list=OLAK5uy_nzMAUWmgRtYuXU2XTYxaNg_4Ypftw9SLU&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nzMAUWmgRtYuXU2XTYxaNg_4Ypftw9SLU

>Produced during the astonishingly fruitful year before the composer's death aged 31, the Impromptus are short, lyrical miniatures of contrasting mood and character which create a musical narrative whose imaginative reach transports the listener far beyond the 19th-century drawing room. They have been core components of Eric Lu's repertoire for several years, but the pianist decided to wait before recording them. "I have a real sense of a journey with these works, in particular with Op.90, having lived with them intensely in preparation, on stage and, finally, in the recording studio," he says. "For me, the Impromptus are some of the greatest jewels in the piano literature. They are magnificent, deep pieces of music, and the very essence of Schubert."

Schubert's Impromptus might be the closest thing we have to heaven on earth.

>tfw tonedeaf

If only recorded audio media existed hundreds of years earlier, if only for the benefit of all the interesting and amusing anecdotes we'd have about certain great figures, particularly musicians and composers.

>It is said Scriabin wore out hundreds of LPs of Liszt's Harmonies poétiques et religieuses and Sonata in B minor.

>Napoleon famously played Beethoven and Mozart for his troops before every battle.

>According to many, Bruckner listened to his Wagner records from the moment he woke up until he fell asleep with the LP still playing on the record player. He listened to Wagner while he ate, composed, and even bathed.

stuff like that

>>129948588
>While listening to a recording of Beethoven performing his own Ninth Symphony, it is said Furtwangler hastily stood up, wrestled the LP from the record player, and angrily snapped it in half, at which point he furiously proclaimed Beethoven did not have the slightest clue as to how to perform his own music.

>>129948588
>On many nights, Rachmaninoff could be heard through his bedroom door listening to recordings of Chopin. On occasion, he would exclaim, "why can't I compose as well as this!?" followed by the sound of an object being thrown against the wall or crashing to the floor.

>>129949071
Kwab

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>Back in 2013 Giovanni Antonini embarked on Haydn 2032, where, in time for the 300th anniversary of his birth, he would record with the two orchestras he is most associated with all of Haydn’s Symphonies and major choral works interspersed with pieces mainly by the composer’s contemporaries. As of June 2025, they had reached volume 17, Per il Luigi.

Has anyone heard any of the recordings in this series? Here's the newest one, Vol. 18, Il maestro di scuola

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gk3uLOLrk8&list=OLAK5uy_lxlERiqoEyUT-y-RnaKed9qJ36ggOAwLk&index=1

What's impressive is it appears the conductor still finds time to record other music too.

Here's the official site of the project,
https://www.haydn2032.com/en/

I've never been the biggest fan of Haydn's symphonies, much less the pre-London ones, but this is pretty cool, and figured someone here might find this of interest.

>>129949071
>"why can't I compose as well as this!?" followed by the sound of an object being thrown against the wall or crashing to the floor.
That would be the reaction of any composer at all listening to Chopin, given that they're honest to themsleves, tbf.

>>129930452
Anybody else really fucking hate the harpsichord? It genuinely hinders my enjoyment of baroque music.

>>129951356
Nah, it has its charm. I always prefer the piano, but harpsichord has such a unique and lovely timbre, sometimes that's all I want to hear. It has medieval, vampiric aura.

>>129951356
Agreed. Piano or avoid.

>>129951356
Depends on the harpsichord. Some are pleasant. Some art not.

>>129950897
skill issue. I once composed a Chopin style piano piece for an assignment.

>>129951433
Doesn't sound medieval to me at all, it's very much a baroque sound.

>>129951501
A great composer I should say, since they perceive much more nuance than amateurs like you.

>>129951541
>muh it's 2 deep 4 u.

please stop worshipping ashes.

>>129949474
I'm mixed on them. Some of them are pretty good, some of them have typical problems with period performance (anaemic and inexpressive, overdriven tempos).

>>129951606
Get out you shallow midwit normalfag.

>>129952064
>gets upset when an actual musician posts in the thread.

perhaps it's you who should leave.

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Preservation is not the tradition of ashes but the fire of maintenance
Eat raw meat
Dissent against the system
Find on the grail
Focus your Vril energy
https://youtu.be/kJSLxJ2wA_Y

Would Scriabin eat raw meat? I just brushed his teeth and I plan on flossing him later. He has sensitive gums

>>129952243
you sound extremely gay.

>>129952093
>actual musician
Actual shallow midwit hack more like

C418 is a better composer than Chopin

>>129952682
how about no.

Les Troyens is far more soulful and heroic than anything Vagner ever wrote

Mozart - Symphony No.19 in E-flat major
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3WbgEk8bh8

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>>129952177
>Eat raw meat
>posts Wagner
Lol.

>>129953619
you are replying seriously to a post that says "find on the grail"

>>129953190
I can't seem to get into it as much as I'd expect. It's alright. Too long, maybe.

>>129937224
Liked the first one by Steven Isserlis. Yo-Yo Ma has audio quality issues. Not surprising how young he looks on a cover.

Another question: is there some other piece featuring the first few solo cello notes? Tu-Tu-Tu-Tuuuuu:

https://youtu.be/R6p9u4gqzmE?t=10

He immediately starts playing with this melody making it way more complicated. But I definitely remember some other solo cello piece with this melody and it was more "static".

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>>129936510
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b15_UG6wJiQ&list=OLAK5uy_kmQYREyGf9rEfOu3Efe58PmkFhjJlmtHg&index=5

>>129953930
It's kinda reminiscent of the opening cello notes of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEulw62snSQ

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I asked my kitty who's her favorite pianist and she replied,
>ARRAUW!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTq0o2Ssp-c

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This recording is so perverse, in some states in the US, you can actually be arrested under obscenity laws if caught listening to it in public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDlhFC4iOVY&list=OLAK5uy_kepvN7a8Q22NOjeSG1B-l0p194zEATOjQ&index=1

You would think the fact it is in English is the cherry on top of this perverse, indulgent sundae, but no, it's the fact that someone at Sony actually had the gall to put a picture of Bernstein smoking a cigarette on the cover of a performance of Bach's St Matthew Passion, one of the most popular sacred works in all the repertoire.

Henryk Górecki: Symphony No.2 "Copernican"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvUvmMfSpyc

That ending is one of the greatest in symphonic music

Puccini likes cats.

>>129954230
Thanks for sharing. I, like most others here I'd assume, had only heard his 3rd before. This is pretty dope.

>>129954192
where does the bible say something about cigarettes?

>>129950897
except for the composers superior to Chopin (which is 90% of all composers talked about here)

>>129954394
It's the sacred and the profane

>>129954407
what's profane about cigarettes?

>>129954417
Pray on it.

>>129954417
The phallic symbolism.

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Sibelius

https://litter.catbox.moe/hr9k4hipypg9i5zm.flac

>>129954405
>composers superior to Chopin
No such thing exists.

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top twenty solo piano works of all-time, off the dome 4-11-26, no order!!

>Chopin - Nocturnes
>Chopin - Preludes
>Schubert - Impromptus D. 899
>Schubert - Piano Sonata 21, D. 960
>Beethoven - Piano Sonata 23, "Appassionata"

>Beethoven - Piano Sonata 29, "Hammerklavier"
>Beethoven - Piano Sonata 32
>Bach - Art of Fugue
>Bach - Goldberg Variations
>Bach - Well-Tempered Clavier

>Debussy - Preludes
>Liszt - Annees de pelerinage
>Liszt - Harmonies poétiques et religieuses
>Scriabin - Piano Sonata 5
>Shostakovich - 24 Preludes and Fugues

>Prokofiev - Piano Sonata 8
>Schumann - Fantasie in C
>Rachmaninoff - Etudes
>Chopin - Four Ballades
>Beethoven - Piano Sonata 30

honorable mentions from composers not mentioned: Grieg - Lyrics Pieces, Faure - Nocturnes, Ravel - Le Tombeau de Couperin, Brahms - Op. 118

Had to just barely cut Schumann's Kreisleriana (for Rach's Etudes) and Liszt's Sonata in B minor (for Scriabin 5)

Piano cycles are probably cheating, and someday when I'm feeling less lazy I'll probably make a list with singular pieces only, but not today, as I tend to view cycles holistically, ie Chopin's Nocturnes or Debussy's Preludes or Rachmaninoff's Etudes all might as well be one singular piece when I listen to them

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvL1IWRwhC4&list=OLAK5uy_m_4n-q8buY0UqpUfNZE6QCIKjtAMMN4wY&index=45

>>129954478
I used to. Taking a temporary break. Most recently I got into vaping with those disposable ones you can buy at convenience stores and gas stations, and the dosage was so high it fucked up my mind for a bit, caused me to have permanent anxiety. Took a while for my mind to return to stasis. So if I do get back into it, I'll smoke cigarettes again.

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>>129954661
Holy hell, all this time I thought he had a cigar in his mouth in this picture. Now I'm discovering it's not only not a cigar but a kazoo, he's also holding a cigarette between his fingers. kek, what a trip. From the thumbnail on a quick glance, the cigarette looks like smoke from a cigar.

>>129954557
Wow it's in order.
And only missing Screebs Preludes.

>>129954478
>>129954589
Do you, anon?

>>129954778
>And only missing Screebs Preludes.
Charming work but top 20 of all-time? Really? I'm not sure it'd make my top 50 lol. Among his cycle works, surely his 12 Etudes, Op. 8 is better? I never listened to his Preludes too often I guess.

>>129954469
hurr durr

>>129955313
Average noises made by deaftards who put hacks above our lord and savior Chopin.

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*slays the techno-dragon in one try*
ez

https://litter.catbox.moe/esrxhc.flac

>>129954800
Yes

>>129956948
I honestly might rank every Beethoven piano sonata about it lol

If there is no Chopin, then there is no god.
If there is a god whose name is not Chopin, then he worships Chopin.
If there is no god, then we should start building temples to Chopin.
If there is a god, his name is Chopin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyBLGnSMZ-s

>>129953635
you are replying seriously to a post that says "Lol"

>>129957219
you are replying seriously to a post

>>129957275
You are being serious

>>129957275
you are replying

There's only one desert-Island composer, no one else will fill the void all alone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHFYULbcSkg

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Chopin is the best but he was a cuck and faggot.
That gay ass shit he wrote to Titus and fucked George Sand.
Anyways the Argerich recordings are the definitive ones.

>>129957350
>There's only one desert-Island composer
Beethoven?

>>129957350
Pretty sure there aren't any composers who lived on a desert island.

>>129930452
Mahler 3 live, conducted by Zander:

https://www.youtube.com/live/yrTIISOvfoM

>>129958178
He just finished talking, they will start playing soon.

>>129958178
Oh shit, nice. Thanks for the link, watching now.

New Hurwitz, since this has become /opera/ lately (mostly my fault)

Talking (Endlessly) About The MET's New Tristan And The Demise Of Western Culture
https://www.youtube.com/live/6yRhHrXMZNA

wtf why did no one inform me Delius was a huge Nietzsche fan?

https://americansymphony.org/concert-notes/mitternachtslied-zarathustras-1898/

says he has some lieder, and a,
>By then Delius was contemplating a definitive and much-extended setting of Nietzche’s words which was to become his A Mass of Life. An elaborate choral movement for women’s voices and orchestra had already been completed by May 1904 and later that same year, during a working holiday spent with Fritz Cassirer (who had recently introduced Delius’s opera Koanga in Elberfeld), a further selection of passages considered suitable for musical treatment had been chosen from Nietzsche’s book. Intensive work then continued until the bulky score was completed by Autumn 1905. At its close the music of the Mitternachtslied of 1898 was incorporated in its entirety, but women’s voices were then added to the choral sections and five bars of the original quiet ending were deferred by the introduction of an entirely new final episode for the whole vocal and instrumental forces.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynioy9j-PtY

This is glorious! I might shill this work for the rest of my days.

>>129958178
it's started!

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Luigi Boccherini - Divertimenti Op 16 (Nos 1, 4 & 5), 1773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCHViqDGASY

>>129936392
>Spanish flavored sun kissed homie Boccherini
I really hope this comment was inspired by a Boccherini post I made like two or three weeks ago

>>129940268
All chairs look like cuck chairs when you're a cuck

>>129944602
neonazis posturing

>>129946012
>What is similar to this?
A bad case of heartburn

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>>129958835
Well that's not very nice about Boccherini

>>129958884
I bet that sounded clever in your head

Boccherini's music is too pure for /classical/

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>>129959040
Won't stop me from sharing it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azFeKk3B2Zo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvfLPD2gIec
I want the Larghetto to play as I die

>>129959176
These sound fresh even to our modern ears.

>>129936392
Mozart was good because he was one of the GOAT melodists, Boccherini is really fucking cool. Haydn is just a bore.

>>129959242
Can't tell if you're being facetious but it doesn't matter because yeah they do

>>129959255
Completely sincere. I was expecting something stodgy, outdated, and old-fashioned. They aren't at all.

>>129959266
glad to hear it; Boccherini is getting a better reception here than I expected

Boccherini more like Bitchyinnit

>>129959348
I bet that sounded clever in your head

>>129959251
>Haydn is just a bore
Grow a heart

>>129958592
>why did no one inform me Delius was a huge Nietzsche fan
who the fuck wasn't at the turn of the century, other than reactionaries

>>129957909
>faggot
>gay
>fucked George Sand
words have meaning, anon

>>129957201
>there is no god.
Correct.

>>129959348
Okay cheers

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You have 10 seconds to explain why aren't you listening to Cipriano de Rore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd5K2AQvOsg&list=RDNd5K2AQvOsg&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJHTtcaEDXM&list=RDdJHTtcaEDXM&start_radio=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A87M7xkmNBA&list=RDA87M7xkmNBA&start_radio=1

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>>129958826
It was anon, it was ;)

>>129959450
Nietzsche was a reactionary

>>129959450
a Nietzsche fan who composed music inspired by and relating to his texts*

in any case, the A Mass of Life is awesome

Rachmaninoff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oSRV88BoUE

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now playing

start of Weber: Piano Sonata No. 1 in C Major, Op. 24
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbBkv1R3HQ0&list=OLAK5uy_nOcDx5MeiMduwKvti-P3MkvMKIEsN92Ao&index=2

start of Weber: Piano Sonata No. 2 in A-Flat Major, Op. 39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtx6CsKknTA&list=OLAK5uy_nOcDx5MeiMduwKvti-P3MkvMKIEsN92Ao&index=6

Weber: Aufforderung zum Tanz, Op. 65
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI3d88PwUx4&list=OLAK5uy_nOcDx5MeiMduwKvti-P3MkvMKIEsN92Ao&index=10

start of Weber: Piano Sonata No. 3 in D Minor, Op. 49
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrBb3T7UP-E&list=OLAK5uy_nOcDx5MeiMduwKvti-P3MkvMKIEsN92Ao&index=11

start of Weber: Piano Sonata No. 4 in E Minor, Op. 70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91yB2vGASfk&list=OLAK5uy_nOcDx5MeiMduwKvti-P3MkvMKIEsN92Ao&index=13

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nOcDx5MeiMduwKvti-P3MkvMKIEsN92Ao

>Today, Weber is best known for his operas but he was also a pianist. He wrote a sizeable body of piano music, at the center of which is his four sonatas. Perhaps the first truly Romantic piano sonatas, they influenced the next generation of German composers such as Mendelssohn and Schumann. Though these works are large scale and virtuosic, they are rarely recorded. The program also includes the once hugely popular Invitation to the Dance, a work that has become better known in the orchestration by Berlioz. Performed here by Garrick Ohlsson, these acclaimed performances were originally released on Arabesque.

Surprised I didn't know these existed. Anyone a fan?

>>129958207
read through the comments and saw this one,
>Saw this to hear Lisa Davidson. T & I is as you say, a fairytale. Which means that a human dynamic is elevated into the realm of myth, and in this case that transition is accomplished by magic. Whatever the love-death theme meant to Wagners contemporaries (it apparently fascinated them) someone can maybe even today find that love has a transcendent aspect - or at least be temporarily persuaded by Wagner, because that is what his music relentlessly drives towards. I ignored much of the swirling stagecraft going on, but have to admit I got truly distracted when it turned out that what the production had driven towards was delivering T & I's love child to us all, so it could be passed on to an elated King Mark. This would make their deaths trivial cases of poor healthcare, wound care and childbirth respectively, and made it quite unclear what Isolde was standing in her tube singing about. But the singing was fine.

kek that's such a modern type of ending

You know, my world was shattered a little when I learned that all the keys are literally the same and transposing music doesn't affect the relationship between the notes in any way whatsoever (within equal temperament of course), I assumed vocal works would sound bad/wrong if transposed to match a singer's range instead of being played at the original pitches, but no... its all the same lol

Saw Shostakovich no. 1

Wincor (my wife) was cuuuuute tonight. :3

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>>129961951
Cuuuuuuuuuuuuuute :3c

>>129959889
>Nietzsche was opposed to change

>>129961951
Like his first symphony? Didn't know that even got programmed. How was it? Was it paired with anything?

>>129961498
There's some difference in emotional color, but yeah, in terms of whether the melody continues to work, it's the same.

>>129962057
https://www.mso.org/concerts/wincor-conducts-shostakovich/
>WEBERN - Passacaglia
>Schumann - Piano Concerto
>Shostakovich - Symphony No. 1

>>129961498
The keys are not the same on string instruments, e.g. on the violin G and D major have a richer sound than the other keys because those are the two low open strings on the violin. The further away you get from G and D, the less rich the violin sounds because farther keys don't cause those two strings to resonate as much. The same applies for Violas and Cellos, expect that their two low open strings are C and G.
Further, any instruments that are denoted as "in a key" in the score, e.g. "Clarinets in Bb" sound richest in that key.

>>129961498
You're partially right that keys don't matter *that* much, many pieces can be transposed without much difference, but timbre does give certain keys its characteristic sound, great orchestrators and pianists kept that in mind. Transposing an entire Mahler symphony could go wrong in many ways (even the instrumental symphonies), not just in terms of technique/performance, but the overall effect and atmosphere.

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You must avenge Berlioz

https://youtu.be/KHuWqAdPZrM

No one cares about the first three movements of Berlioz’ Symphonie fantastique.

>>129962242
Nice! Sounds like a good time. Webern was such a boon for program introductions lol.

>>129964000
Thank you Hurwitz

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Sharing this recently released recording of solo piano music because I think a few people here will really like it. Just peep the opening piece and you'll be hooked!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaAfTc66i9Q&list=OLAK5uy_nwJFyX0gxO7a7s3m-rGeLrurMHJgT-gqI&index=2

and of course the opening movement to the titular piece
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2Yr3ZObEiA&list=OLAK5uy_nwJFyX0gxO7a7s3m-rGeLrurMHJgT-gqI&index=6

>Forgotten Melodies, Alexander Malofeev’s debut for Sony Classical, features music by four composers who ultimately spent the rest of their lives away from their birthplace. His curation of works by Glinka, Glazunov, Medtner, and Rachmaninoff reflects an interesting idea of nostalgia — not necessarily for a homeland, but for what he describes in the booklet as a kind of lost dream world.

>>129964147
sharing this recently released recording of solo piano music again*, whoops

>>129964147
Malofeev is sexy af, I want to marry him

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Boccherini and Vivaldi today
Scriabin, Bartok and Ginastera tomorrow

>>129964153
refer to >>129952343

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Tchaikovsky's gay penis feels so dang good when directed by Evgeny Mravinsky.

>>129964576
I am not extremely gay, I'm a supremely turbo gay faggot.

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Scriabin: Vers la flamme, Op. 72
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9t6macpOko&list=OLAK5uy_mb_WfS0l5k0IJqCNmL9otkOsFqwNTkgOk&index=2

start of Scriabin: Piano Sonata No. 4 in F-Sharp Major, Op. 30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic17q_r7Ch8&list=OLAK5uy_mb_WfS0l5k0IJqCNmL9otkOsFqwNTkgOk&index=3

Scriabin: Fantaisie in B Minor, Op. 28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHS4MChCQMs&list=OLAK5uy_mb_WfS0l5k0IJqCNmL9otkOsFqwNTkgOk&index=7

Scriabin: Sonata No. 10, Op. 70
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQwZZAce_E0&list=OLAK5uy_mb_WfS0l5k0IJqCNmL9otkOsFqwNTkgOk&index=19

+ a bunch of assorted preludes, etudes, and poemes

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_mb_WfS0l5k0IJqCNmL9otkOsFqwNTkgOk

>Nineteen years after his first recital devoted to the music of Alexander Scriabin [BIS-1568], Yevgeny Sudbin returns to the works of this eccentric Russian composer with a new recital that brings together pieces composed at various points in his career. Of his special relationship with this composer, Sudbin writes: 'I simply cannot think of any other composer who consistently brings out such a primordially raw and physical reaction in me and, with time, his grip has only intensified on me.'

>Arthur Rubinstein once said that 'Scriabin's music is like a narcotic. It is so intoxicating that it can become dangerous', to which Sudbin adds by way of precaution, 'enjoy responsibly at your own peril.'Carefully prepared by Sudbin, the programme reveals Scriabin's stylistic evolution, from his beginnings when he was still influenced by Chopin and devoted to small forms, through his middle period where the rich, late-romantic idiom is just beginning to cross into darker, more complex realms, on to his late period in which, in Sudbin's words, 'one sometimes feels too close to the edge of insanity'. In his latter works, Scriabin indeed seems to push music to the expressive limits in order to create a climate of spiritual ecstasy.

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Here's a kinda cool recording I found that came out recently, centered around Chopin's music.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkcvk1m6QDA&list=OLAK5uy_nJgBOf26DTlQnPmMQdVLRRABTNQ6b2EI4&index=2

>Following the success of his acclaimed Sony debut Human Universe, Hayato Sumino—known globally as ‘Cateen’—returns with Chopin Orbit, a conceptually rich and emotionally resonant album that places the music of Frédéric Chopin at its center.

>Chopin, Sumino’s favorite composer, has long been a gravitational force in his artistic life. That connection was first spotlighted during his standout performances at the 2021 International Chopin Competition, and now takes full flight in Chopin Orbit.

>This unique collection features Sumino’s original compositions inspired by Chopin’s masterpieces, not as imitations but as creative echoes—melodies and motifs reimagined through the lens of a 21st century classical artist.

>Included are pieces such as Chopin’s Polonaise-Fantasie op. 61, Nocturne in C-sharp minor, Berceuse, and Raindrop Prelude, alongside Hayato’s original works White Keys and Post Rain. Also featured are works by Thomas Adès, Leopold Godowsky, and Leoš Janáček—highlighting Chopin’s influence across generations

So a mixed program centered around Chopin's solo piano music, containing some original compositions by the pianist, and assorted pieces by other composers like Ades, Godowsky, Janacek. The uber-pretentiousness of being known as "Cateen" aside, this seems pretty neat!

>>129965145
oh nevermind, turns out he got his start as a YouTuber musician, and Cateen is his screenname. So it's not some pretentious artist name like I thought. I take it back. Nothing wrong with that then.

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>>129945065
old hat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYM5d-sWdc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K0dK6FMrQM

>>129965145
His own material is pretty good. I like his last album.
His op 48, 1 is great.

I took Scriabin on a walk. He pushed me back and forth on a swing once we got to the park. No one goes there anymore, so it was sad and beautiful.

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>>129966079

y there are so few performances of this, its so beautiful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMncNsq76eE

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Busoni

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxP3PIJw10M&list=OLAK5uy_mRcCgRCN7Iw69NHi2_N8M8ag93odra4mA&index=9

>>129965661
Nice to see someone else here is in fact familiar with him, I just came across it looking for any recently released Chopin recordings lol. I'll check out that first recording, thanks!

>>129962023
Reactionary means you want to return to an older way of living and he did want that.

>>129967231
That is not what reactionary means.

>>129967310
>In politics, a reactionary is a person who favors a return to a previous state of society which they believe possessed positive characteristics absent from contemporary society.
Cant tell if you are trolling or not

>>129965145
>>129966705
Ok I like this album too but really didn't care for how soft he played the Raindrop Prelude.

>>129966323
Nice performance!

>tfw no busoni symphony

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>>129966165
here's two nice orchestral versions

Aida G
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTFngQBB3uQ&list=OLAK5uy_lkFUhRHDzw-aJSzYw_T8SUKYR8pCCnpdc&index=13

Renee Fleming
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22It9TlhcS0&list=OLAK5uy_mDjj5seoz0aM3Z8UMqELMrqYe0bWno8tQ&index=10

two for piano

Kathleen Battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NacE6oV_LHg&list=OLAK5uy_kh93owDo-3Zc2mFQpYMDMihSa7IMLrHog&index=11

Kiri Te Kanawa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=er-bwkLjj5Q&list=OLAK5uy_n3G9ZPGoT015E8oiPpIXa9M1Sbo6phVvw&index=7