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A New York judge has ruled that some key evidence seized from Luigi Mangione's backpack during his arrest at a Pennsylvania McDonald's is inadmissible at trial, while some of it can still be shown to jurors, including the suspected murder weapon.
Judge Gregory Carro's written ruling was posted online ahead of a hearing Monday morning. He agreed with the defense argument that a search of Mangione's backpack at McDonald's was unconstitutional because it had been moved away from arm's reach, however, he found that a subsequent search of the bag at the police station was lawful. During that search, an officer found the handgun allegedly used in the murder of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson, 50.
He also found that most of Mangione's statements to police in Pennsylvania would be admissible, except for some made about his alleged fake ID after police read him his Miranda warning.
A different judge, overseeing his separate federal case, has already rejected the defense team's argument that the search was improper, and the evidence will be part of his federal trial.
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Evidence ruled admissible includes the gun, a 3D-printed silencer, and a red notebook that allegedly contains damning writing. Evidence to be suppressed includes a phone, Mangione's passport, loaded magazines, a wallet and a computer chip.
Mangione, 28, is accused of shooting Thompson from behind outside a Manhattan Hilton hotel on Dec. 4, 2024, as the victim was walking to a business conference.
He allegedly fled the scene on a bicycle and then went to Altoona, Pennsylvania, where customers and employees recognized him from a wanted poster and called 911 five days later.
Authorities searched the bag multiple times after Mangione's arrest in the eight hours before obtaining a search warrant, defense lawyers wrote in a letter to the court. They argued the search was improper because once Mangione was arrested, he wasn't in control of the bag, so police should have obtained a warrant ifrst.
The defense has characterized the search of his bag as a violation of his constitutional rights. They also asked for statements he made between his arrest on Dec. 9 and extradition to New York 10 days later to be thrown out.
Prosecutors asked New York Judge Gregory Carro to deny the motion, arguing Altoona police acted reasonably when they searched Mangione's bag after arresting him.
The court already held several days of hearings on the matter and heard testimony from 17 witnesses.
Mangione has pleaded not guilty to all state and federal charges.
In New York, the top charge is second-degree murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life in prison. He faces six more weapons related charges and one for allegedly possessing a fake ID.
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The judge previously dismissed terrorism-related charges that could have put Mangione in prison for life without parole if convicted.
The state trial is scheduled to begin on Sept. 8.
In Mangione's federal case, which is a separate legal proceeding, U.S. District Judge Margaret Garnett ruled that the backpack evidence could stand in his federal trial in a Jan. 30 order, while also dealing a blow to the prosecution and taking the death penalty off the table.
Thompson, a father of two from Minnesota, had come to New York City to meet with Wall Street investors. Surveillance video shows the last moments of his life — when a gunman approached him from behind on the sidewalk and opened fire.
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>>1515415
Are you serious? Because healthcare puts profits over people. People that pay into healthcare often and regularly get denied coverage for the healthcare they need to stay alive because of people like Brian Thompson. Luigi is a national hero, and saved many lives because during the period after Thompson's death, UnitedHealthcare approved many things they never normally would. Lifesaving medications, treatments, and surgeries that customers were already paying insurance for.
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>>1515427
>remove the profit motive
According to Republican leeches, if you can't profit off of sick people, whats the point of helping sick people?
Unironically you need to reject healthcare and kill a large population of Americans so the larger population actually gets health care.
Thats better than the socialist plan that Dems have, which is... treat sick people, and not have an entire trillion dollar industry profiting off of them
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>>1515429
This is why I created M.A.H.A.
Eat lean meat like roadkill, which is already tenderized, and exercise with your blue jeans on, and be healthy and you won't need as much medical treatment in the first place.
But the system just won't let me do it.
I thought in an unorthodox person like tRump might allow me to get a foot in the door, but nope.
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>>1515427
Nationalizing healthcare gives the government power over life and death
It changes the nature of government as they now have a justification to change your behavior.
In Australia, 70% of the cost of cigarettes (or to express it in other terms) a 20 pack of cigarettes cost $40 because there's a 233% tax put on top of the price of cigarettes.
It is fine if you smoke cigarettes in a free country because you are facing the negative externalities, you will be the person facing higher cancer risk. But if I am paying for your cancer treatments I have a financial incentive in telling you how to live your life. It centralizes more power into the government, and gives politicians more opportunities to grift.
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>>1515435
US states do have taxes on cigarettes and tobacco products, but they pale in comparison to the taxes paid in Britain, Australia, and New Zealand.
Those anglo nations with nationalized healthcare tend to have more of a cradle to grave welfare culture, that arrests citizens for thought crimes and they have a more expansive vision of government. They have less rights in terms of freedom from government, be it government surveillance, government restrictons on firearm ownership, the ability to homeschool their own children, etc etc.
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>>1515429
Have you never heard of Catholic Hospitals?
As the largest group of nonprofit health care providers in the nation, Catholic-owned or affiliated systems account for roughly one in every six acute care beds in the country.
Currently, 15.8 percent of all short-term acute care hospitals in the United States are Catholic-owned or are affiliated with a Catholic system
There are not for profit health care providers. They're just not motivated by government dollars, but spiritual beliefs.
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>>1515439
Why is it leeching & stealing when you pay an insurance company and don't get care, but a sign of progress when government collects the money for healthcare involuntarily in the form of taxes, and then you don't get care because you are on a wait list because nationalized healthcare systems ration with time instead of price?
https://i.imgur.com/eohpUgF.jpeg
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>>1515433
>Nationalizing healthcare gives the government power over life and death
Which is already a step better than giving it to private entities whose main motivation is profit.
At least when the government does a shitty job, you can kick them out at the next election.
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>>1515446
>keyword is resigned aka you gave up on life.
You're right. I should go shoot up everyone I don't like so I can feel better about myself... starting with democrats. Hey, we'll finally have something in common for once!
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>>1515450
Life-threatening pregnancies make up less than 1% of abortions. The overwhelming majority are elective.
And since the far-right counts that as murder, they should be like Luigi and start dropping Planned Parenthood CEOs.
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>>1515453
>you can do better than weakly pretending that health care leeches deserve anything other than murder
Don't complain when we go back to the 90s and the ultra-religious right go out and "Get your Gunn", citing Luigi as their justification.
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>>1515454
Nah, they're pissed off that Trumps allowing abortion meds to be sold online, which effectively legalized Abortion in every state and got rid of the waiting window
Which just goes to show how shit Trump and Republicunts are in general, their attempt to criminalize abortion made it MORE easy, cheap, widespread, and legal
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>>1515440
>then you don't get care because you are on a wait list because nationalized healthcare systems ration with time instead of price?
1. Wait lists still fucking exist with fucking insurance companies.
2. Insurance companies bouncing your ass through godawful screening/referral systems to avoid paying for expensive shit you need done contributes to wait times.
3. Networks are godawful and ALSO contribute to wait times, since it doesn't matter if you could get treatment faster out of network if you can't fucking go out of network.
4. People being able to get regular doctor visits to catch shit early means less treatment is needed for everyone overall, reducing wait times for a lot of preventable shit.
5. The only way wait times would increase from nationalized healthcare is if more people were getting treatment ahead of you cause they can afford it. You are arguing against yourself, fuckwit.
6. Slow treatment is better than no treatment.
7. Wait time comparisons are generally for non-emergency shit, especially ELECTIVE shit.
8. The USA has worse average wait times than every fucking country but Canada.
9. Socialized medicine means the government can fucking fund rural hospitals and clinics, which are going extinct in the USA because they aren't profitable, putting a lot of people at risk for dying in emergency situations. Fucking appointment wait times aren't the only fucking wait time that matters. How long to get to a hospital in an emergency does too.
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>>1515460
The republican supreme court is waiting until after the election to ban it.
They're politicians, not judges so they know if they did what would amount to a national ban on top of republican policies ruining the economy. Even with how much republicans rigged the election, they would still get wiped out in the mid terms.
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>>1515448
Britain constantly has scandals involving the NHS
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Medical_scandals_in_the_United_ Kingdom
https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2026/apr/one-ten-nhs-operations-are-cancell ed-short-notice
A major April 2026 study (published in the British Journal of Anaesthesia, covering 91 NHS trusts) found that about 1 in 10 planned operations in England were cancelled with less than 24 hours' notice. Another 9% were postponed at the preoperative assessment stage. Researchers estimated nearly 40% of last-minute cancellations were potentially avoidable, often due to inadequate patient preparation or capacity issues
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/dec/03/numbers-leaving-ae-wit hout-treatment-triples-in-six-years
The number of people in England walking out of A&E without treatment has tripled in the past six years, new figures show.
Analysis of NHS data by the Royal College of Nursing shows that a rise in demand for urgent hospital care and long waits has led to what it describes as a “shocking” rise in the number of patients leaving emergency departments untreated.
Between July and September 2025, more than 320,000 people left A&E without being treated – a more than threefold increase from the same period in 2019, when just under 100,000 people walked out untreated.
Most left in frustration at waiting so long. The RCN’s analysis also found that over the same period, there was a 90-fold increase in the number of patients waiting in excess of 12 hours, from 1,281 in 2019 to 116,141 in 2025.
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/marketplace/hospital-wait-times-9.6983849
About a half a million Canadians left emergency departments before being seen by a doctor in 2024, according to a data analysis by CBC’s Marketplace.
And because B.C. and Quebec report these figures based on the fiscal calendar (and include parts of 2025), that number is likely a lot higher.
The 2024 statistics collected from most provinces and territories show Prince Edward Island had the highest percentage of people leaving, at roughly 14 per cent.
Manitoba had the second-highest percentage at about 13 per cent and New Brunswick the third-highest, at roughly 12 per cent. Ontario had the lowest percentage, at roughly five per cent.
The data also shows the trend has increased since 2019, when in most cases, fewer than 10 per cent of people were walking out before seeing a physician.
In some places, like Newfoundland and Labrador, the number of people leaving has almost doubled since 2019, with more than 35,000 people walking out in the Atlantic province in 2024.
https://www.iedm.org/canadians-are-waiting-too-long-in-the-emergency-r oom/
Wait times have worsened in many areas since pre-pandemic levels. Median ER lengths of stay can reach 5+ hours in some provinces (much longer in outliers), with some patients facing 12–15+ hours.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/canada-hospitals-wait-times-9.7123684
Six days in an overflow stretcher. Beds in storage rooms. Patients dying in their seats.
No, we're not describing an episode of HBO's gritty medical drama The Pitt. These are real-life scenes playing out in Canada's emergency rooms.
From Carbonear, N.L., where a man recently died of a heart attack during a 10-hour wait to see a doctor, to Calgary, where a woman pleaded "please don't let me die" during the hours she bled onto a stretcher in the ER, hospitals are bursting at the seams as backlogs and access issues affect patient flow.
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>>1515467
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/euthanasia-fifth-leading-cause-o f-death-in-canada/
Euthanasia is homicide. Such (legal) killings by doctors and nurses now constitute the fifth-leading cause of death north of the 49th Parallel. From a study conducted by Cardus:
The number of Canadians dying prematurely by “medical assistance in dying” (MAiD) has risen thirteenfold since legalization. In 2016, the number of people dying in this way was 1,018. In 2022, the last year for which data are available, the number was 13,241.
MAiD in Canada is the world’s fastest-growing assisted-dying program.
MAiD is now tied with cerebrovascular diseases as the fifth-leading cause of death in Canada. Only deaths from cancer, heart disease, Covid-19, and accidents exceed the number of deaths from MAiD.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2025/09/canada-euthanasia -demand-maid-policy/683562/
>MAID began as a practice limited to gravely ill patients who were already at the end of life. The law was then expanded to include people who were suffering from serious medical conditions but not facing imminent death. In two years, MAID will be made available to those suffering only from mental illness. Parliament has also recommended granting access to minor
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>>1515464
>Britain constantly has scandals involving the NHS
System A has problems is not the same thing as System A has more problems than System B, nor it is the same thing as System A has a specific problem.
It's worth pointing out that fucking nobody that has a problem with NHS thinks that problem would be fucking fixed by privatization.
Hell, a problem many people have with NHS is too much money still going to private facilities. Most people want it MORE government run.
I doubt you'd find anyone for more privatization in the USA.
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>>1515473
>The USA has a higher suicide rate than Canada.
A decent chunk of which comes from people deciding to kill themselves instead of going bankrupt and still dying.
Then you have retards like ESL shill pretending that allowing suicide should disqualify national health care, because its morally superior to let our sick be murdered for profit instead.Paints a really bleak picture of Indian health care if thats what the shill thinks its like
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>>1515479
I think we are going to fix the Canadian healthcare system to be the best in the world
No matter how many Euthanasia it takes
16,499 cases of Euthanasia in Canada last year vs 1 Luigi in America. You guys will need to really catch up
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>>1515483
I reiterate, the USA has a higher suicide rate than Canada.
You are making a nonsense argument, as if the problem is how people kill themselves and not that people kill themselves.
Americans deep throating their guns because the alternative is a slow, painful death from a treatable disease they can't afford treatment for is not actually better than assisted suicide. America isn't morally superior to Canada because we make people scrub their mothers' and fathers' brains off their bedroom ceilings and it certainly doesn't make our fucking healthcare system better.
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>>1515527
i'm not even pregnant, bro. WTF?
How's demonizing the female reproductive system working out for you BTW?
Your retardation only applies to women over 40.
Aside from that giving birth is safer than having the common flu.
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>>1515497
Canada has a higher Euthanasia rate then the United States
More Canadians are killing themselves at the hands of the Canadian government then are killing themselves with the help of the US government
When a disabled veteran was asking for additional support from the Canadian government they offered her MAID
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/christine-gauthier-assisted-death-mac aulay-1.6671721
>Retired Canadian Armed Forces corporal and Paralympian Christine Gauthier testified to the House of Commons that a Veterans Affairs Canada (VAC) caseworker offered her medical assistance in dying (MAiD). The distressing offer came in writing while she was pleading for assistance to install a wheelchair ramp in her home
>You want a wheelchair ramp in your house? Have you thought about Suicide?
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>>1515410
Just pull yourself up by the bootstraps and pay the $1000 fee to hold your newborn goyim. And if you have insurance that’s just a $200 deductible (assuming you don’t have a preexisting condition like being a WOCBP). And if you don’t tip you’re a filthy antisemite.
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>>1515591
True. This is only a problem if you're poor or mentally ill though.
Most Americans are rich, and most mentally ill people are LGBTQ, meaning they'll likely never have children.
So, look at the retard up on his little faggot soapbox shouting his twitter memes.
What a retarded faggot.
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>>1515616
Yes, email later.
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>>1515403
Thread Summary: /news/ - "Judge suppresses evidence in Luigi trial"
Mid-length /news/ thread reacting to a New York judge’s partial ruling on evidence in the Luigi Mangione case (the accused assassin of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson). The thread quickly pivots from legal details into a heated debate on U.S. healthcare, insurance denial practices, and whether Mangione is a “hero” or murderer
Thread Dynamics
Legal/Case Discussion: Early posts clarify admissible vs. suppressed evidence, note the federal case allows more backpack items, and mention the shooting details (bicycle getaway, fake ID, etc.).
Healthcare Culture War (Main Focus):
Pro-Luigi / Anti-Insurance side (very vocal): Portrays Thompson as a “killer of many” via coverage denials for profit. Claims Luigi is a “national hero” because UnitedHealthcare allegedly approved more claims temporarily after the killing. Calls for nationalized healthcare to remove profit motive. Accusations of insurance companies prioritizing billions over lives.
Anti-Luigi / Pro-Market side: Defends that denying coverage isn’t murder; highlights entitlement, points out people paid premiums but insurance involves risk pools and costs. Argues nationalized systems lead to rationing via wait times, government control over behavior (e.g., sin taxes), and scandals (NHS examples cited). Some defend nonprofit/Catholic hospitals. Sarcastic replies like “most entitled generation ever.”
Recurring Arguments:
Profit vs. people in healthcare.
“He didn’t kill anyone — Luigi did” vs. “Denials = death sentences.”
Tangents on nationalization, smoking taxes, abortion analogies (“Would far-right shooting Planned Parenthood be okay?”), RFK Jr./MAHA memes, and broader government power.
Classic /news/ shitposting: insults, “bootlicker,” hope-you-get-cancer wishes, political whataboutism.
Typical polarized /news/ thread on a high-profile crime with strong culture-war hooks. No consensus; devolves into repetitive bickering.