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A thread for discussing the Star Wars franchise and its various media and tabletop games.
Jedi Ewok edition
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TQ: What's your favorite lightsaber variant and color?
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Today marks 31 years since Kyle Katarn entered into our unworthy lives.
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>>97560490
On the topic where the previous thread ended, EC Henry made a space AK that looks way better than the Andor one.
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>>97561334
I think the curved magazine is the biggest problem with the TV version. If you're not feeding tapered cartridges (and you're not), a curved mag is dumb. Using a Zastava M77 as the basis for the prop would probably have been a better choice than a simple underfolder AK.
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>>97560490
Curious to hear thoughts. Asked this in a previous thread.
I'm running an Edge/AoR campaign here and playing with two different alternate history set ups. I'm interested to hear which one seems more interesting to play in.
Scenario 1: Post Endor. The Emperor has survived. Vader, Luke, and the second Death Star have not. The vast majority of the Rebel Fleet have been destroyed. Many rebel heroes are dead/missing. For how closely it was that his life was taken, Palpatine has now decided that superweapons are not the best method to rule by fear. Instead, he will accelerate the machines of control, of force. He will tighten his grip on the freedom of all galactic people. He will have the kind of control that will preclude a rebellion from happening in the first place. Theme: overwhelming oppression, desperation, fighting against tyranny, trying to find hope out of despair
Scenario 2: Post Endor. Palpatine is dead. Unfortunately, so to are Luke, Vader, Leia, and most of the Rebel alliance. While they succeeded in destroying the Death Star, much of the Rebel leadership has been lost in the battle. The Empire has now balkanized into warring factions, Moffs, Warlords, and sector authorities. Many of these are vying for ultimate control. The leading powers are directly from the Imperial Ruling Council who still hold firm to the ISB and maintain control of Galactic Center (Coruscant). Warlords consolidating their power to key systems have allowed for vacuums in imperial law enforcement and both piracy as well as more organized crime now runs rampant in the outer and mid rim sectors. Rumors are that there is a particularly talented Imperial commander who seeks to re-unite the Empire. Will they serve as a more benevolent autocrat? Will re-establishing the Empire bring order to the galaxy? Or will it rob it of newfound freedom.Theme: wild west, uncertain futures, much more crime heavy
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>>97561334
Better yes, but I think it goes too far in the otger direction and looks a bit too tryhard.
I know it's nitpicking but the conic muzzle feels too reminiscent of the DL-44 while the ridged part at the top looks too much like an E-11.
As >>97561539 said I think if you just removed the magazine and slapped a scope and some grebbles like that spring cable that would be enough.
>>97560588
I went to a small recon event last week. It went poorly for me. First time in a few years I went to a tournament after doing a bunch of teaching games, so readjusting myself to the competitive mindset was harder than I expected, even at such a small scale.
>Tempest Force
Were your droids able to handle all these AT-ST or did you just ignore them to focus on the infantry?
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>>97561719
Tempest is really rough, the turn 1 shooting they can do is basically unavoidable. I won by the slimmest margin, ending up at 14-13 on round 5. My opponent had 3 repair bots on his stormtroopers and played super cagey with his walkers, so I had no choice but to focus on his infantry and scoring. It was a great game. :)
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>>97564315
Campaign: party needs to dismantle a Grand Moff's network that has entwined itself into the military-industrial complex and has greater support among the populace as a result. Grand Moff is also trying to insulate himself and his network from the Imperial system. Preview of the upcoming fracturing of the Empire into warlords. Campaign takes place nine months after Yavin, and the Grand Moff is already seeing the writing on the wall.
Legion: having an Imperial force that gradually gets replaced by more and more mercenaries as they get ground down by attrition and defections to the New Republic.
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Rebel SpecForce
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>>97564661
I have great news for you, Anon. AMG also mentioned that at least some of these will be available as both as commanders/operatives and as squad leaders.
>>97564724
Based. For rebels specifically, I'd like to see a proper tank, like the one from Battlefront 2 or Empire at War. Rebel honor guard could also be cool.
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>>97564798
My h(c)ope is we'll get an Inquisitor wave in which we'll get the Grand Inquisitor, Reva, Purge Troopers and maybe even a generic Inquisitor you can customise like the Super Tactical Droid kit.
It'll probably never happen though :(
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>>97564315
>Tell me about /your dudes/ in Legion, anon.
I'm building a Separatist Holdout so I can fight my buddy's Empire. I'm building the models so have nothing to show yet lol
Plan to include only characters who are still around during the Empire so Maul, Kalani, Bossk, Cad Bane, Hondo and the generic Sep Leaders. I'm debating whether or not I'm "allowed" to bring Ventress as she's still alive then and I love her character.
I also want to bring some pirates and mercs who have been hired to bulk out the Holdout's military. I'm playing with the idea of making a custom Gizor Dellso and using Poggle's profile for 'em.
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>>97565211
Sovl. I also feel like Gizor and Poggle are a good fit. With the new pirates coming out soon, doing a merc force should be viable
>Ventress
I don't see why not. You could also get some other mini and run it using her rules. After all, there were plenty of dark jedi under Dooku's service in the EU.
>>97564536
Sounds like a lot of fun, anon
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>>97565526
My mate brought up the fact that she isn't working with any Sep Holdout in the canon or Legends, but she'd be around and would certainly fight against the Empire if they forced her into a battle (IE Inquisitors) so I'll probably bring her but paint her sabers yellow and clothing a different colours as she'd be in here "not Sith" phase.
Sweet models btw :)
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>>97560490
Well anons, what's better: Stormtroopers with legion markings or without them? What about just for Vader's Fist?
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>>97566930
Painted but only if there's some specific that differ them from the unpainted rank-and-file. Stormtroopers are all equal, faceless mooks without individuality, if they got marks it's because they earned it.
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>>97567170
Yeah that makes sense. But I do like Vader's Fist being still painted, it makes them far more unique to Vader himself
Also yes I know picrel is the Stormtrooper Commander but these guys have barely any lore anyways and Stormtroopers with markings are shockingly rare beyond the new Disney ones
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>>97567261
No, I meant exactly like the 501st, they earned their place above the common ranks of the stormtroopers.
Another example would be canon shock troopers.
>Lack of painted ones
I feel the same. I think that you can headcanon your own unique legions with unique markings. But maybe it's too much like 40k's chapters?
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>>97567349
Agreed with shocktroopers.
On an unrelated side note (or well, tangentially related through the 501st), I've had a sort of fanfic idea about a bunch of parties within the Empire hunting down some sort of macguffin during the earlier years of the regime, including the 501st under Vader trying to maybe prevent it falling under the Emperor's grasp, while you have officials trying to acquire it to gain prestige and Palpatine's own squads, all from the perspective of either an IC or Scout Commando squad (I'm leaning towards the latter). I'm not a great storyteller but I'd like to know /tg/s general opinion on the idea, I'm mostly dabling on whether the 501st would betray Palpatine for Vader or maybe he fools them (this is EU clones, so no magic chips)
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>>97567450
I think it depends on how and why the clones view the execution of order 66. If they were loyal to their generals above the Republic, they wouldn't have executed their jedi generals. You could say that they stayed just enough with Vader that their loyalty to him grew to surpass the one for the Empire.
Maybe the change of mission parameters (from Republic to Empire) made rational to pledge their allegiance to Vader over the Emperor. Maybe they grew to resent the Empire somehow and vacillate on their reason to follow orders.
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>>97566930
Only Commanders should have custom heraldry, Palpatine made sure that the Stormtrooper corp seemed like a endless horde of elite soldiers, all of them having custom colors and heraldry would destroy that, although Warlord Era stormtroopers having custom heraldry makes sense.
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>>97567661
It does make sense to me for 501st to have custom color scheme. They are Vader's elite unit so you'd want the opponents to recognize them from random stormies for maximum intimidation factor. Seeing them take the field should be an immediate "you done fucked up" sign, because you can assume that if they're here Vader himself isn't far behind.
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>>97564661
COMMANDER Ventress
i'll also take bounty hunter ventress that can be used by republic/scum/rebellion as an operative
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Ah'chu apenkee?
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>>97560490
>TQ
Honestly? Green Double-Bladed. Especially with a Blue lightsaber in the other hand.
Fuck all of you, the Return trailer is still one of the best lightsaber duels Star Wars ever produced.
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>>97569790
I like how they improved the Lightsaber Props. Those heavy, clunky fucking things in Obi-Wan made it look like they were just duelling with glowing Baseball Bats.
Whatever they did to improve the props, i hope they keep it up.
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>>97569971
Ewwww, mousecucks.
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>>97570861
Acolyte should have been like a two hour movie, literally as I was watching it I thought "wow the forest episode could have easily been the third act climax for a movie version of this where everyone just dies at the end"
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>>97570001
Look, they fuck up so much so often, that you at least have to give them credit when they take steps to actually fix some of their problems. I'm not saying "All hail the great mouse overlords" all i'm saying is "Hey, this thing that everyone said looked like shit in Obi-Wan, they took steps to fix in their next product."
Acolyte was still shit overall. I don't need to pretend that the one improvement they made didn't happen just so that i can seem cool to a bunch of anons on /tg/. But it doesn't make me want to surrender all worldly possessions to the mouse either.
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>>97569751
The Old Republic (KOTOR, SWTOR and the novels/comics set in that era) are my favourite "version" of Star Wars by far. If they ever released Old Republic shit in Legion, by Jesus you couldn't stop me from CONSUMING like mad.
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>>97570890
In theory, yes. In practice the lackluster character writing and plotholes do not go away if you turn it into a movie.
What really saddens me is Kenobi. It was in the same place, it could have been a good movie. But the writing for Reva was so terrible that it really could not have worked.
Also, there were a bunch of deus ex machina moments, like Obi-Wan going from 'I fOrGoT tHe FOrcE' to full-on Jedi Master without even a training/meditation session.
Or the Inquisitorius fortress. Holy fuck, the Jedi game did that better.
The one where I'm sad they didn't do a third season is ANdor. They clearly had ideas and plot, and squished it into the third act of S2.
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meh. Nothing about this looks exciting and every scene is a variation of fighting some puppet alien/monster.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHWlvwu8t1w
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>>97567549
I suppose. But at the same time the 501st seems a bit too elite to just fall with Vader. Maybe later as he slowly replaces the clones with elite conscripts who indeed are on his side? I don't know
>>97571783
This is just more Mandoslop, but longer. I just hope we get some new vehicles or weapons, I've seen the Imperial AT-RT which is cool
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>>97574306
It wasn't Vader, that guy was clearly supposed to be Palpatine... As in, not "It's supposed to be a Palpatine Allegory!" no, it's literally, actually Palpatine. He does the 2 lightsabers thing and uses most of Palpy's moves from Clone Wars throughout and Plagious is watching him. It's literally Palpatine.
Not because i think that's a clever plot twist, but because i legitimately believe they are that talentless to make that the plot twist.
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>>97574892
yeah they weren't subtle at all that pube-face was Young Sheev during his apprenticeship to Plageous
exact same playbook as Rings of Power. Introduce THE VILLAIN but young and sexy and have the main female protagonist fall in love with him
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>>97571783
>mercenary hunting down the remnants of an evil regime identified by a "deck of cards" motif
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szzZQwawELc
Unexpected Lucasarts crossover, but not unwelcome.
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>>97573189
My biggest concern is the visual effects look no better than the show. It's suggests this is just a couple of episodes stitched together into a feature-length movie.
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>>97575158
You know, this girl. Fennec Shand.She gets hired to assassinate your waifu and that's the end of the most based of all Kaminoans.
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>>97575170
>she gets killed offscreen by fennec shand
No, no, I get that.
But why?
For what possibly contrived reason?
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>>97575180
honestly....I don't know (out of universe)
I guess they had to go "well she's not relevant to the plot so just kill her off"
in-universe she's sent to pay cad bane for capturing omega (lama su wanted omeha returned to kamino), but fennec gets there first, kills her and takes the credits (she was sent by nala se who wanted omega kept safe and away from kamino)
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>>97575203
>"...also I killed your mother figure"
>"alright that's it i'm forcing you to wear the slave leia outfit"
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>>97571783
Hypothetically a standalone Mandalorian movie is the right step for a new Star Wars film. The premise & format of the series already lends itself to infinite stories and it's the most iconic entry of the Disney Star Wars brand.
But I do miss the grit though. The first two seasons had a unique atmosphere and vibe that made the show feel really fresh even though it was still rehashing many concepts from the movies and EU. The trailer for the movie makes it seem like it's just a full-on family adventure.
Also very baffling that they didn't preview this trailer for the Superbowl.
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>>97575217
Would have made Book of Boba Fett much more watchable.
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>>97575469
I am glad Maul Shadow Lord will give us some evil Mandalorians again. It's been too long with these HONORABRU WHOLESOME CHUNGUS FOUND FAMILY BABY YODA STEP DADS.
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>>97575480
would plap
>>97575498
>implying she isn't the armourer
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>>97575151
My guess is as good as yours, but this is probably the scrapped season 4 of mando reshuffled into a movie.
And seeing how KK, Iger and Favreau all decided to bail right before this thing releases I'm not exactly holding my breath.If you want my opinion, this thing is going to bomb, tjey know it, and they'll use that to justify sidelining Filoni. They'll make Ahsoka S2 and that will be it for the Filoni era.They wil then see if they can do a soft reboot with Starfighter
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>>97575587
So, what's worse:
Disney using an abandoned show's scipts to make a movie or Disney 'writers' writing a movie?
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He just wanted to help his people.
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>>97561656
Top sounds like it would be better as a post episode 3 campaign, bottom sounds better as a pre-republic Sith galactic warring states period. Or post episode 9 since literally everyone fucking died in that one and its a total sandbox after
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>>97571783
I just wish it would give us a better idea of what the hook of the story is. It just looks like Mando and Yeed doing random shit. I don't want the whole plot revealed, I just want to know what Dinner Plate and Grungi want and why I should care about what they want.
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>>97575576
>sideline Filoni immediately after making him master of the realm
To be fair, Iger's last choice to run the whole company flamed out and he had to embarrassingly un-retire to "save" the company he's aimed straight at the cliff, so this wouldn't be totally ridiculous, but surely they wouldn't deliberately set the man up for failure. Who would they even replace him with?
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>>97575576
Filoni sucking Iger and Kennedy off for years trying to get his personal dream projects greenlit, only for them to stab him in the back and use him as a scapegoat for the downfall of the franchise, is so fittingly Machiavellian and yet tragic. Filoni might be a retard but he does love Star Wars... more than any of those 3
>>97575587
if the scripts for S4 are anything like S3 and BoBF, it's probably a good thing they're shelved, and hopefully they never see the light of day
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So Jabba just had a closet full of these, didn't he?
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>>97575143
Wouldn't be the first time.Mercenaries was great, I should replay it one of these days.
>>97575931
In which a guy also got chopped in half. We need more bisections is what I'm saying here.
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y tho
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>>97576463
My reaction when I'm months into prepping for a campaign where a rebel specforce cell is hunting imperial targets from a deck of 52
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>>97570183
There's more, yes, but it always has and always should exist in that broader context. The Force is real and it *does* represent goodness and balance in all things, and there will always be those who seek to subvert that balance for their own power and those who step forward to defend it. Anywhere even remotely close to the OT and in any period prior, that means Sith & Jedi.
You can travel a jillion years into the future of Star Wars and call them Joobies and Sandors, but it must necessarily still have that central aspect *or it isn't Star Wars anymore*.
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>>97571314
I'll never understand consoomercucks. You could be playing Old Republic Legion right now - why you could I don't know, Legion is trash for fags WEGD6 4lyfe yo - with 3D prints that are at least as good as the official models, and if the people in your area are too fond of sucking dicks to be comfortable using fan rules you can always just counts-as one of the existing factions.
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>>97571558
There was exactly one version of a "Dark Times" story for Obi Wan that would have been good and that's the one from the book where he's basically a wandering Ronin on Tatooine who helps people without revealing his Jedi-ness because otherwise he'd go mad with despair.
But that doesn't give Disneyfilm their HECKIN EPIC BRUH nonsensical saber duel with Vader which is the whole reason they made the thing anyway - well, that and an opportunity to get in a little SEE, SEE, LEIA IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS LUKE IF NOT MORESO CHUDDOIDS sniping - so any version that would actually get made was always going to be shit no matter what little detail changes they made to suit your preference or what format they made it in.
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>>97560490
I recently saw a guy claim the new Vader comics (not the Aphra ones iirc) were the greatest Star Wars media, better than the films, and I have to seriously disagree. I like Vader coping about Padme a lot but there's so much weird shit that makes even EU weirdness look normal ngl
>>97576317
Yes, Disney Grievous actively wanted the upgrades and his Kaleesh backstory is barely developed
>>97576010
>Filoni might be a retard but he does love Star Wars... more than any of those 3
Filoni likes his own OCs and slop, he doesn't give a fuck about actual SW
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Never forget that this is what that mandaboo manlet polish freak looked like.
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>Your father built this here golden droid when he was a little kid, and was also owned by your uncle for ten years.
>When I first met your father, he was already a great pilot. And by that I mean he was a 9 year old podracer.
>He was a good friend. And by that I mean, I called him "dangerous" and "another pathetic lifeform".
>Owen thought your father should've not gotten involved in some damnfool idealistic crusade. And by that I mean, your father and uncle weren't even related and briefly chatted for a few days.
>That tiny droid that I call "little friend"? Yeah, me and him went on crazy adventures together in the Clone Wars. He even saved me from buzz droids when we attacked Hacky McCoughenstein's ship.
>You will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me. And by that I mean, *a* Jedi Master who instructed me as a Youngling, before I met Liam Neeson.
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I'm looking for legends lore from 33bby back to the founding of the tradefed. I have Pelagius, and the Dark Horse Omnibus comics, but i'm wondering what else i can use. Any books you care to recommend?
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>>97578419
I find the droids to be one of the most jarring bits between PT and OT.
>was also owned by your uncle for ten years.
Wasn't it his great-uncle (Shmi's husband)?
>When I first met your father, he was already a great pilot. And by that I mean he was a 9 year old podracer.
This one is true though.
>He was a good friend. And by that I mean, I called him "dangerous" and "another pathetic lifeform".
Can't deny they were friends later on, Obi Wan loved him like a brother.
>Owen thought your father should've not gotten involved in some damnfool idealistic crusade. And by that I mean, your father and uncle weren't even related and briefly chatted for a few days.
Really can't argue that one, but maybe it was a latter thing like his dislike for the empire.
>That tiny droid that I call "little friend"? Yeah, me and him went on crazy adventures together in the Clone Wars.
R2 not getting memory wiped was always a weird decision, so he was aware of everything the whole time? He knew everything and never told anyone? He even 'fought' Yoda, one of the most powerful jedis for a bit of food and didn't even made a sassy beep "you were better old green fool"?
>He even saved me from buzz droids when we attacked Hacky McCoughenstein's ship.
kek
>You will learn from Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me. And by that I mean, *a* Jedi Master who instructed me as a Youngling, before I met Liam Neeson.
AKA, Qui Gon 'Gin'.
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>>97578654
I find this one better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN74bOubUug
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>>97578579
Reminder that she is extremely lewd and takes off her helmet for money.
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>>97578654
I have to admit, the one thing all the prequels stuff does add is turning the look he gives R2 when saying "Don't seem to remember ever owning a droid" from dull and confused to incredibly arch. "I know what you're doing. Knock it off, you little tin can."
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When exactly are the First Order coming to Legion ffs
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>>97577662
So, the recent Vader Comics (They're almost 10 years old, they aren't exactly "New") have been pretty decent.
I will at least give the thing props for doing what EU NEVER even attempted to do.
See, EU constantly did stories with Anakin and foreshadowing his fall to Vader, constantly. So bloody many "OoOoOoOoH, he's gonna turn into Vader!" comics. But the current ones actually tackles the same idea from the opposite end. "Making you believe that Vader is a creature that came from Anakin."
Frankly, teaming him up with Sabe was a work of genius.
This concludes the only nice thing i will say about NuWars.
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>>97578419
I keep seeing this argument and i will always respond in the exact same way:
90% of Jedi Teachings is "The Force does weird things for weird reasons, just go with it." So, C-3PO and R2-D2 finding their way first to Leia and then to Luke, then them going to find a ship and just so happening to bump into Yoda's old Wookiee Drinking Buddy is just par for the course for him.
Frankly, he would have been more weirded out if something like this DIDN'T happen.
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>Your father built this here golden droid when he was a little kid, and was also owned by your uncle for ten years.
>That tiny droid that I call "little friend"? Yeah, me and him went on crazy adventures together in the Clone Wars. He even saved me from buzz droids when we attacked Hacky McCoughenstein's ship.
Isn't it likely he just didn't recognize the droids? Droids of a given model are all the same shape, and there are only so many paint schemes to go around. With 4-5 character alphanumeric designations, even their "names" must get reused a lot. Even if R2 recognizes Obi-wan, it's not likely he expects to be recognized in return. Obi-wan's behavior fits with the general theme of people just completely ignoring droids almost all of the time, which goes all the way back to them walking through the middle of the Tantive IV firefight. This isn't meant to defend the "Anakin built C-3PO" thing. That was just a particularly stupid part of the worst of the prequels.
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>Reva
Why would you choose the crappy knockoff when you could have the genuine article?
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>>97566930
If I start collecting Legion, my army would be mercenaries using a bunch of milsurp Imperial kit, because being evil is gay but the E-11 sure isn't. (Ignore that mercenaries are frequently pretty damn evil, even within Star Wars tropes)
In that context, I have the excuse to do whatever I want with the minis.
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>>97564661
Kaleesh warriors
The EVO Troopers from Force Unleashed
Flamethrower Super Battle Droid
Models that look like the Engineer classes from 2005 Battlefront 2
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>>97564661
Trandoshans as a reverse of wookies. Picrel is obviously a homebrew I found.
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>>97579773
I admit the FO Snowtroopers look pretty good, the design accidentally feels very World War One, if you're familiar with some of the experimental armors and helmets from that war. The flying Higgins boats from the start of The Force Awakens would fit Legion pretty well, too.
I still despise most of the ST "successor" designs, though.
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You could give them Sith Troopers too, I suppose.
>>97580046
This is the real problem. The Resistance threw out most of what was cool about the Rebel Alliance and dialed up everything that made it lame.
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>>97581950
Not much to say about it.
I mean they are most likely making a new game but there is nothing to indicate it might be another star wars game.
AMG mostly see themselves as a studio making minis to paint first and foremost, then a casual miniature game studio and lastly a competitive miniature game studio.
With that in mind, any new game they make would be more skirmish 40mm scale stuff like MCP and Shatterpoint.
Another possibility is that they might revive X-Wing or Armada as unpainted minis to assemble, which would be a bad move since beyond its price X-Wing's main selling point was that you just needed to open the box, take your ship out and it's ready to play.
And even if it were brought back, people here would just be all doom and gloom as usual because heroes and objective play are given too much importance or something like that.
The only kind of conversation you could get about this announcement is whining that any new game would take dev time away from Legion/Shatterpoint
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>people here would just be all doom and gloom as usual because heroes and objective play are given too much importance or something
What do you expect? AMG had Shatterpoint, which is a half-assed mes compared to Legion, and they failed to maintain XWM. Oh, and they just took Armade behind the shed and finished it with a rusty old shovel.
Game deisgn wise they are in the same place where DisneyLucasfilm is: Apathy after years of shitting out substandard trash.
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>>97579773
Knights of Ren, Phasma, Ren, Snoke, jet troopers, Praetorian Guard, Sith Troopers, First Order Stormtroopers with riot control trooper upgrade, First Order Snowtroopers with flamethrower upgrade, First Order Commanders with customisable First Order Officer and First Order BB-series astromech droid, First Order AT-ST, 125-Z treadspeeder bike.
There's definitely enough there for an army, it might even be a fun army. The question is, who would buy it?
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>>97582868
Reva's plot was always really weird to me. It felt like someone went:
>"What if Krennic's whole "Doesn't understand he's not the main character of this story" arc, but if she was portrayed as being 100% in the right?
It just feels really disjointed. Also, i hate the fact that they even call her by her name. The whole point of the "Brother, Sister" dynamic thing is to dehumanize them. Letting this one keep their name just feels like... For lack of a better term, Mary Sue energy. "This one character is special for no other reason than because they are the one we are focussing on."
I can't help but feel that if they had given her the Sister designation, as well as getting killed at the end (I'd have said Owne shoots her when she hesitates to kill Luke) the story arc would have worked better.
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>>97582772
>The question is, who would buy it?
Nobody, because E8 and E9 were shitty movies almost ten years ago.
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XWM managed to get FO ships out when the movies were (kinda) fresh, and the starfighters carried less of a taint.
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>>97583269
It still pisses me off how derivative and unimaginative those designs are. Honestly, there are many R*sistance lists in X-wing where you genuinely can't tell the difference between them and rebels at a glance.
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>>97583908
For sure. Just avoid characters like K*lo Ren, and the FO can definitely pass for an imperial warlord fleet. The Silencer looks like some variant of the TIE Avenger, same with Baron and Interceptor, /se with /sa...
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>>97583943
FO ships painted Imperial Grey (or ESB blue-grey) can really pull off the Imperial Warlord feel
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>>97583943
Sick. The Remnants are my favourite part of Star Wars so that's fucking awesome to hear!
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I find it interesting that you can look at the Silencer (and the Whisper in a lesser degree) and walk backwards to see the Andor TIE Avenger lineage.
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Going off of the Handmaidens movements from Kotor, Echani is more flamboyant than Wing Chun, and has too many strikes to be considered Aikido. If not Wushu, I'd probably lean towards Karate.
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>Nostalgiabait instead of the intelligent use of EU material
I'm an EU fan through and through (actually on my re-read of the X-Wing books rn), but the EU 100% kept using OT derivative designs for decades in-universe too lmao. (The EU T-65 successors in the EU do look better though, love the brick shaped "intakes" on the T-65XJ3 especially.
That being said getting some of the unique EU designs like E-Wings would have been nice, wish the E-Wing got more love.
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Stealth-X mogs T-70
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So real and so true (Even if they are just matte dark grey T-65XJ3s I love them)
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>>97584465
>tiniest of visual changes, ensuring its actual RCS would be exactly the same
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Different paint = Stealth coating, so that's all the NJO gotta do to make the Stealth-X actually stealthy
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For me the circular "intake" that it has isn't the major problem, I like that it calls back to some og concept art. What I don't like is that they made the strike foils spindly. S-Foils are supposed to be like radiators they need surface area. I get what they were going for but that weird two halves of one wing thing they got going on just makes the wings look flimsy.
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Are Star Wars Legion Hoth Themed lists viable?
Skirmish/Recon
598/600
6 Activations
Leia Organa 75 + 25 = 100
--Vigilance (12), Improvised Orders (5), Duck and Cover (2), Portable Scanner (6)
Mark II Medium Blaster Trooper 40 + 5 = 45
--Linked Targeting Array (5)
2x Rebel Veterans 48 + 81 = 129 x 2 = 258
--CM-0/93 Trooper (22), Rebel Veteran Squad (50), Duck and Cover (2), Targeting Scopes (4), Impact Grenades (3)
1.4 FD Laser Cannon Team 65 + 19 = 84
--HQ Uplink (10), Barrage Generator (3), Dug In (6)
Tauntaun Riders 95 + 16 = 111
--Tenacity (6), HQ Uplink (10)
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ah yes, Ahsoka 2.0
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>>97585362
did you even watch Return of the Jedi? Jabba wanted some of that Twi'lek nookie, it's why he started yanking on her chains and licking his lips all pervy-like
It's because Hutts are hermaphrodites that means they've all got cocks and vagenes and Jabba loved to use his cock on his trophy slaves like Leia
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>Got a bunch of Trandoshan thugs to join me in raiding a small Imperial outpost
>DM decides we can skip the specifics and use the mass combat rules to see how well they did/how many they take out before we have to get involved as a party
>Double 1 for the defenders
>Immediately taken out
>He pretty much describes the Trandoshan leader Predator'ing out using a stealth suit and telling us he'll call us if he needs help
>When he does call us, we walk in to find the 20 Trandoshan we hired stacking up the 70 or so dead troopers and stealing their guns, boots and rations.
Complete Trandoshan dominance asserted. Scene not just stolen but left up on blocks.
Top Dude NPC of the campaign established.
It's a Trandoshan world, we're all just scoundrels living in it.
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>>97585598
Not really, Anon. The hoth units are some of the worst of what's available to rebels. For one, the laser usually can't even score. From what I heard, the best part about this roster are the medium blasters, so try naked veterans + a blaster spam.
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>>97585861
>the lizards obsessed with imaginary scores are in charge of star wars and the real world
Ree
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>>97585362
IIRC it's mentioned somewhere that the other Hutts considered Jabba to be a weird pervert because of his degenerate humanoid woman fetish. Most Hutts keep Twi'lek dancing girls like humans keep tropical fish or exotic birds: they're pretty to look at since they come in a lot of bright colors, and are also somewhat of a status symbol. Jabba on the other hand was a gooner who wanted to fuck his pets.
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What’s the current canon lore on the Sith Empire?
I kind of liked Lucas’s stripped down version of Star Wars prehistory.
Which Disney has ignored.
1000 years of the Sith being Sengoku like warlords after they split from the Jedi then the Jedi/Republic join to beat them up and a thousand years of the Republic.
Not that Lucas wouldn’t of changed his mind again at a later point.
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Nerd trivia: even though "A New Hope" was put in the crawl in 1981, ANH was not really common parlance until after TPM.
The 1997 trailer still says "Star Wars", while the 2000 trailer uses "A New Hope".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRgsMKu8oNA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVPmE4CQcg0
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>>97587725
It's also why Jabba had his personal summer pleasure palace on Tatooine, which is a reasonable distance from the centres of power in Hutt Space.
It's like Tiberius on his private island of Capri. Or another certain person who is all through the news recently.
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>>97588538
You get what Disney decides you get, and you will thank them for it.
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Look I just prefer it, I think as an individual episode, that's not the culmination of an episode arc, it's better
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Badass.
>>97587300
>working with Trandoshan bounty hunter
>he suffers mortal wound
>last words are "muh K/D"
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>you're
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Given the length of the clone war compared to the number of events within, I wonder how people's schedules looked. Palpatine probably got his strength from the sorrow of scheduling secretaries, not the war. Imagine Ventress. Dooku had his Dark Acolytes but she carried the load; there was never an organisation of dark side adepts beyond that small group to stiffen the CIS' spine. Her day to day probably looked like the travelling salesman problem: Her scheduling secretary would have sat down, realised she's got to be in 42 places in the next 9 days, trying to factor in travel time, recovery time from when she was inevitably electrocuted for failure, what jobs she could do while recovering, contingencies for if she betrayed the CIS this week, etc. He'd be a chain smoking alcoholic by month two. Probably Dooku had it worse. At least Palpatine only had to sneak off Coruscant occasionally.
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Why does the site keep nuking anything fun or interesting? What's wrong with those?
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>>97590785
lets not forget that depending on the job it takes time to do, especially when her role isn't just an assassin but a spy and military leader as well, plus the fact that she has a strict training regimen and was only under dooku for about just over a year (year into the war, but worked for him pre-aotc)
>alcoholic
actually canon because she turns to drink after losing vos in dark disciple
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Anyone remember Confused Matthew in the "Gen X prequel hate" days?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9a2Ior6xLQ
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>>97585362
>Hutts are hermaphroditic
Not since the legends/canon reboot and that was one of the first things they adressed. Hutts have defined sexes now.
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>>97591280
I meant the secretary was the alcoholic. After the war Creamy Sheev probably recruited the man as Vader's administration support - his job is to unwind all the snarls he creates by killing people and his judgements. Pay. Rosters. Condolences. Logistics for his men. The suffering would be incredible.
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>>97591901
Once I was having a moment of bafflement at the Executor size because of how ridiculous large it seemed, then I remembered
>Oh yeah, the Death Star exists
Then all was fine in the world.
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George has the strongest headcanon game doesn't he? Man doesn't consider anything he didn't make canon.
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>>97592088
Hidalgo is a fucking retard
SW shouldn't even have a defined canon anyways, it's always been pick and choose. Get the few good things from Disney and then the good things from the EU and ignore all of the bullshit and go from there.
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>>97593933
The Death Star is a deep space battle station, the Executor is a heavy-duty battlecruiser
I think the Executor itself is fine but anything bigger than it is retarded. It's just Saxtonite "me want big big ship with big big gunz".
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>Gen X prequel hate
The grifters were as active back than as they are now, but pointing out the plot holes, weak dialogue and roughly 40% runtime wasted on pointless shit is not actually hate.
Just like saying that George should have had a tard wrangler to stop things like AotC romance dialogue from being in the movies is not hate.
It's constructive criticism, that, if heeded, would actually have prevented the sequels.
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>>97592088
So Jabba is a definitely male space slug, molesting chained up slavegirls?
wtf I love girls in metal bikinis now
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>>97592088
Hutts being Hermaphroditic was a post-episode 1 retcon of the extended universe. Hutt had male and female sexes in the 90s and West End Star Wars universe. They're mentioned in a buncha places but prolly most-prominently in the Han Solo trilogy.
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>>97594263
Wait, what was the name of that planet again that is totally not a copy of Mars from a A Princess of Mars?
I need it for research purposes, to enrich my knowledge of galactric slavegirl species.
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>>97560490
I managed to find a torrent with all the SW books including Chronicles, Chronicles Prequels and Chronicles Vehicles Japanese (I'm only missing Chronicles Prequels Japanese). It feels so good bros, getting to read the good shit which would have normally had me spend thousands of dollars
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>>97596525
Heavy digging in torrent searchers
I used one I found in a subreddit, I think the name was FreeMediaHeckYea
Took me a really long while but it was genuinely worth it, now I just need to find an HQ version of Archives since the one included is kinda blurry.
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Merging EU (slowly being redone) and NuCanon Sith ideas
Plot of F&D game set in the time of the Old Republic
Darth Repulse is a Master of the Sith but in the Sith Empire there are only three options for him: devote himself to mystic study, horrible experiments or seize office. He chose the latter and now seeks a power base.
He has moved his court to the frontier and formed a new expanding domain with two Sith Knights. Bringing their apprentices, acolytes, assassins and legions of Massassi and trooper levies.
He rules a cowed planet and they raid, their warfleets now just pirate crews.
Darth Guerre and Darth Otho are Massassi of unaltered blood (EU Sith).
The (Old) Republic is far away and unwilling to intervene. So it is up to a band of Jedi at a temple in the sector to stop this threat.
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HELP!
I already threw Phase 3 Dark Troopers at my late game FFG players and they got fucking destroyed! Is there any cool Imperial droid bigger and stronger than that?
Inspiration music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6ho3jU4bzM&list=RDP6ho3jU4bzM&start_r adio=1
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I'm very sure I remember some sort of force adept fighting *for* the republic in the Clone Wars as a mercenary. It might have been a member of the Thyrsus Sun guard, but I don't really remember. The Jedi knew about him. Can anyone help me here?
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just realised filoni is totally gonna use ventress' resurrection as a justification for why he can bring back the nightsisters in ahsoka season 2
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>>97596437
That 'art style' was the worsth thing before teh sequels.
And the decision to turn The Clone Wars that should have been the Thirty Year's War in Space into a 3 year counterinsurgency campaign was almost as bad.
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>>97597228
>Introduces a faction who's whole schtick is Necromancy and fucking with things from beyond the grave
>"Is that hack gonna use that to justify this faction fucking with things from beyond the grave?"
What the fuck is this even supposed to mean? I'm not defending Filoni, but why are you framing him as being a hack for having someone using something that has been firmly established as being their whole thing for the last 20 years?
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>>97597305
more the sense of "establishing the lore exists first so that later on it can be used for something bigger"
it's no secret that the nightsisters are going to be in ahsoka season 2, but all the nightsisters are dead, so the only way to do this is via resurrection
but up until ventress' resurrection, they've never been shown to be able to resurrect the dead as normal people, only zombies
so by establishing that the nightsisters CAN resurrect people normally first, via ventress, it establishes the precedent that they can do it in ahsoka S2
of course I doubt it's gonna be good, or depicted well, and probably complete butchery of nightsisters lore because neither george nor katie lucas is involvedyes I know they're different from EU nightsisters
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>like remember how ventress had a price to pay to resurrect?
No, I don't remember that. Because that never happened. Mother Talzin, who was supposed to be completely fucking dead after being killed by Grievous before she could regain her form (but somehow she retained her identity after death, and neither Sheev nor Dooku sensed it, somehow, who were there when she was killed), just told dead Ventress (who had been dead for months, who had become one with the Force, meaning her identity was dissolved and recycled, with both Obi-Wan and Vos sensing it and confirming it, but then somehow retained her identity after death, despite never being trained to do so), "Hey, bitch, wanna live forever? The price.... uhhh..... "Le-what your heart desires!" - we'll undo Dark Disciple, I guess! Let me word this cryptically, so morons get tricked into thinking it's deep!!!!" And then the bitch is back like new, like nothing happened. "Ohhhhh, but she can't meet Quinlan!" Yeah, moron, retarded plot contrivance, that was never properly explained HOW and WHY that would work. Would she drop dead in place if she had seen him, or what? But none of that matters. The actual, functional reason for all of this bullshit is to somehow bring her back and soft-retcon Dark Disciple, because Filoni can't commit to the story and he is committed to ruining and undoing good stories. Nothing can have permanent consequences, nothing can have actual impact and stakes. And for what?
>and probably complete butchery of nightsisters lore because neither george nor katie lucas is involved
Yeah, that already happened with Tales of the Underworld. But you are defending that slop because your boner for your mid waifu clouds your ability to use your brain. Disgusting.
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>>97599752
There is no such thing as a 2D artstyle that looks "out of date", 2D is special for that very reason. Genndy's style works perfectly regardless of the period when it was made, same as Hillenburg's or John K.'s or Groening's (even if some of these have lost sovl due to crappy Flash animation syndrome but that's a different topic)
Meanwhile TCW looked buttfuck ugly even back then, it was actually one of the main criticisms. Even the last seasons mostly get carried by lighting because the designs are awful. Rebels isn't any better
And btw in 2008 and later you had CGI shows like Penguins of Madagascar that looked leagues better than TCW. TCW's issue wasn't even the tech, it tried to shamelessly copy the Genndy style and apply it to 3D and looked like ass because the designers didn't have a clue how to make it look good
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>>97600688
Neither is good
Maul was brought back because Lucas was a pussy who bowed down to all the retards who were whining that Maul was "wasted" on TPM
Fact of the matter is Maul was never intended to be this deep important character, he did his job perfectly in the films and there were books and comics to read if you wanted more of him, but TCWtards are lazy illiterate fuckers
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>>97600042
Since that seems to be your fetish, do you have any unwilling robotisization/cyborgization stories/porn you would recommend for research purpose?
More seriously, what the hell is supposed to be written on his shirt and what kind of establishment is (or rather was) the Oki Doke Una Pota ?
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>>97600688
TCWfags have a hard-on for maul, and it wasnt done by disney
they also uniromically believe filoni brought him back and "made him into the epic character he is today"
palpatine was brought back in the sequels and therefor bad
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actually not robotification, He was always a "droid". The Oki-Doke Taxi Service was an establishment set up on an outer rim world by a opportunist businessman. Basically the owner would seek out underdeveloped worlds which had only just recently been connected to the greater galaxy and offer "premium" planetary taxi and delivery service to its residents. In reality he was using century old junk on planets where most are too technologically illiterate to know any better.
Oki is kinda like a mascot but also the "driver" of these speeders. Because these backwater worlds are so archaic a lot of its residents don't trust automated speeders so the owner of oki-doke installed a fake driver in the speeders to make the residents feel better. These "droid" drivers were about as technologically impressive as those Disney World Animatronics. They don't really do anything other then move their arms around randomly and spout out some pre-programed dialogue.
Eventually a larger corporation or the empire itself would establish a proper planetary hub and ports on these planets and the citizens would realize they were paying extreme rates for out of date tech and these Oki-Doke Delivery stations would be run out of business only to reappear on another world.
Oki (the name of my character) used to be one of the driver droids... or its more apt to say he used to be the main computer inside the speeders that were used to navigate the planet. Essentially a local criminal gang took the nav computer and a bunch of other parts and mixed it with other scrap droid components and jerry rigged it together and shoved it all into the chest and head of the old Oki-Doke driver animatronic. Its very backwater engineering type of design as it has optics and sensors literally punched into a fake head... after a few years of various upgrades the only remaining original parts is the chest and head which is still that old yellowing plastic.
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During the battle of Jabiim, someone airdrops Yoda in a fake moustache to Cobalt Station, ensuring the Padawan Pack survive. Their deaths were the first serious blow to Anakin's mental state. How does that affect him going forward? More anger, less sorrow? More stability instead, less fertile ground for Pappy P?
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>>97602113
Oki (the name of the character) doesnt actually consider himself a droid (Even though he really is) and gets offended when you call him one. After years of upgrades and help from the small street gang that built him he becomes capable of piloting starfighters and interplanetary craft. Thew gang thinks they can move up in the world and steal a starfighter in order to run their trafficking's scheme across planets but instantly get in over their heads and crash land on an astroid... The organic crew eventually all starve or suffocate to death leaving Oki the last one. His story picks up from there as he's able to escape when scavengers come to pick apart the crashed ship and he manages to kill them and steal theirs.
His Obligations is responsibility, His crew though criminals were like family and they each had some form of dying wish. One wanted to see his family taken care of so Oki needs to deliver that members cut to his wife and kids, Another was a "researcher" who couldnt get published... Oki has to take his journals and upload them to his planets database of science. The leader of the gang died full of regret starting as a revolutionary but turning to crime. He asks Oki to liberate the small coastal village that he ran away from and abandoned when he was younger. Finally the youngest member of this small gang died last... her last days spent chocking on the remaining air supply... She begged Oki to kill her... but also to kill the damn fixer that put them on this job in the first place.
He is a Bounty Hunter Operator (Basically Freelance Pilot)
His design is still very backwater even after the upgrades... on his arm is a slugthrower wired into him. Its essentially just bolted on with a breaking hinge at his elbow so he can bend his arm when not in use. The graffiti across his chest is something he actually maintains sort of like a tattoo... it was originally put on him by some kid back when he was a delivery droid. It says clanker
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>>97600468
if your referring to the dead body that's the previous owner of the droid. After being salvaged and rebuilt out of a scrapyard by a local gang Oki (The Name of the character) goes back to his old post and kills his old manager. (Though this man wasn't the owner of the business)
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>>97602237
Some quirks about Oki,
Sometimes his old slogans and dialogue would slip out kinda like Droid Tourette. in a charming little southern accent he would say things like "Thank you for using the Oki-Doke courier service... Please come again" Then immediately return to his normal more gravely voice.
Being so jury rigged and his creators not being the smartest or most responsible in the first place he hasn't been reset in a long time (as is standard with droids to avoid them developing un-standard personality traits) as such Oki has developed a bit of a complex when it comes to being a pilot. He starts to think of the ships he pilots as extensions of his own body and regularly has to stop himself from merging with the ships computer. (Think of mech pilot PTSD)
He doesn't consider himself as a droid as his original CPU was ripped from an automated speeder. This means he feels more sympathy with ships and computers than other droids.
I have a ton more written about him... please ask me Im spazzing the fuck out to talk about it.
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>>97601520
>he really, unironically likes genndyshit
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>>97602369
genndy art style is just repulsive
everyone is so fucking ugly
some nice backgrounds here and there is the only saving grace
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>>97602464
Yeah, the backgrounds kinda remind me of the LucasArts point and click adventure games from the 90s.
Sadly, the characters do not lok like the characters, and the 'animation' is 1980s saturday morning tier.
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>>97602369
Sorry Dave, but your children's cartoon is never going to be appreciated on the same level by adults as actual art. Why don't you toddle off back to your room and hump your orange buttcheecks bodypillow to try and salve the shame of your inferiority.
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>>97603309
i like both
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>>97602464
>it has no waifus therefore it sucks
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I am trying to figure out two things, related. The first is an FFG stat block for Sora Bulq during the Clone Wars. The second is an 'average' exp amount for padawan, knight, master. I am going to let players flat out have a single dedication or force rating talent for every 125xp they spend on anything to keep things moving.
Failing that, are there SW systems beyond D6, D20, whatever abomination 5e has put out and ffg? Though to be fair d20 looks pretty bizarre with force points being the most bootstrapped thing imaginable.
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>>97603614
I like neither.
>>97603620
Waifus do make things better though.
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Oh yeah that dress.
Like poetry. It rhymes.
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Pick someone other than yoda. Whoever it is scuttles into the shadows never to return. Maybe it's secretly a Sith Warrior, or a time travelling Kyle Latarn, or sidious having the time of his life with black face and purple lightsaber synthcrystals to muddy the waters. Whatever. The point being that they all live and he learns this as he's leaving the planet.
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Are there any decent loot tables out there for a Jedi temple?
What kind of shit could you pick up at one after Order 66 anyway? My party just managed to pick off the clones guarding the Mon Calamari temple and I'm not sure what would be there for them to sneak away with.
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Of the Legends Omnibuses coming out, are any of them worth picking up?
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>>97603988
I think Nexuses of Power had a few examples, if not tables. Standard: Jedi utility belts (Breather, commlink, jedi toolkit, rations, med packs) in bulk. Robes too, amd minor parts for tinkering. Probably some unusual effects in unique items for some people, like wroshyr wood shinguards. Probably a pile of pearls on Dac.
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>>97604203
So don't give the Mousejew money, give the Scalperjew money instead? Fuck off Scalperjewanon, I'd rather give the Mouse money when they release something I actually want than I would some subhuman shit who spends all their time buying up anything posted at reasonable prices to be branded as "collectible" and resold for 10 times as much.
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>>97607170
If they had brains they'd finish Clone Wars. They don't. Watch it be some shitty "Tales of.." shorts.
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>>97607556
one of them is guaranteed to be tales, the real question is
>what's the tales gonna be about?
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>assuming its true, whats the other show gonna be about?
and is it just me or does maul: shadow lord feel like a miniseries and not an ongoing show like bad batch was?
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>>97606138
>Sometimes
But not often, and usually if the price is "decent" the product is a ratty piece of shit that they pawed at endlessly as a child, because if the price is decent and the condition is also decent than 99 times out of 100 some Scalperjew will snaffle it and relist at their standard markup. If I ruled the world anyone caught selling something secondhand at more than 10% markup over RRP(adjusted for inflation) would be fucking castrated and forced to eat their own bloody meat, then boiled alive in oil, then while there's just a sliver of life left in them they would be hung from a scaffold at the seaside to be eaten alive by seagulls.
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>>97602464
I bet you feel real fuckin' dumb right now.
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>>97603620
There are legitimate reasons to dislike Genndywars (I personally have no strong feelings one way or the other), but it did have waifus. Shaak Ti gets some love, plus there are those cute cat people who aren't Cathars.
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>>97610187
Would watch the shit out of both tbhon
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>>97611798
This guy?
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>>97612918
Obviously people would recognise him otherwise. Lots of green midget jedi with stalinstaches. The Emperor throws on his dressing gown and becomes completely invisible despite his face being mostly visible. Thats of the dark side, but the moustache will do for the Jedi.
>>97603621
It depends for exp. A start on a lightsaber or force tree for padawans plus padawan, a knight has that, padawan and half of a force tree and a mostly complete LS tree or the other way around, a master might have up to 6 trees, with appropriate force powers. And dedication is a bit rough - you can mostly reconstruct how a character was built from high exp stat blocks lile Yoda or Sheev (Consular and Mystic trees, but hints of other careers) but their stats don't line up with available dedications. So somewhere from 600 to 6000 exp for a no-name Jedi. Good luck. Genesys doesn't resolve the stat problem, if I recall - I think it actually makes it worse.
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>>97613010
That's weird. In my area, Legion was DOA. It NEVER had any following. Only guy who ever played it moved to the area from somewhere it used to be popular, but Shatterpoint is the big seller here, with the meetups outdoing Warhammer.
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>>97612779
pretty salty, asmodee strikes agian. I love shatterpoint. Legion has its place Shatterpoint really feels like star wars to me, it embodies scenes Luke's swashbuckling on Jabba's sales barge, it really feels like you get to embody the heroes.
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>>97613010
Good. Shittershatter is a pointless reskin(you could literally just take Legion minis and rename the stuff on MCP cards if you're that desperate to play a bad game), now they have more resources to make good minis.
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>>97613010
I still think it's mainly because of SP having a really bad business model.
So, the main assumption here is that each player buys at most 1 of each box. To get a decent amount of money out of each player, in this model, you have to make A LOT of different kits. This all adds up to large design and mold costs, leading to much lesser economy of scale effects.
Needing a gorillion different kits to have a decent collection leads to shatterpoint players having way higher entry costs (which loses you potential players) AND having them buy way less kits in the long run, losing you yet more money.
Meanwhile, In Legion, you can buy a starter, and a battleforce box to have a starter army. And in the long run, a dedicated player may even buy like 16 copies of a corps box or 3 of the expensive heavy vehicles just to play one of those skew lists.
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>>97615269
I'd argue that's part of the problem.
The core box is the best deal for Shatterpoint but if you don't like TCW it'll mostly be minis you don't care for, while if it were Anakin+Obi-wan vs Dooku+Grievous or Maul it would have a broader appeal. Likewise if you only like OT stuff, you have pay a higher entry point.
And as >>97615317 said the whole 2-3 kits per month for a year on relezse can seem pretty daunting.
>>97612779
Still it's a sad news, I like Legion better as a game but Shatterpoint's minis were great and a joy to paint.
I think it's pants-on-head retarded to announce that before a stream they've been hyping up for a week, then again there is no good time to announce that kind of thing.