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HaHa!

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I started reading The Hunt for Jardine. Its possible I am retarded, but I think the nerds were discussing a species of large cat that was suitable to be a mount? Does that mean I could have a platoon of Dragoons riding on BattleCats?

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>>97580432
It's called a Tabiranth and they are on the list of beast mounted infantry mounts in tacops.

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>>97580447
Sometimes I love this fucking game.

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I demand that there should be more IS Omnis pre-Jihad era! That is all!

Do you show your opponent where the thunder LRM landed or you only reveal the hex after he stepped in it?

>>97580541
Thunder LRM landing points are visible to all players. It's not hard to spot the missiles that lay them, and they can't bury themselves. The full on Minefield rules are for secret hidden minefields.

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>https://archive.org/details/rpgdragon-issue-06
Daily dose of Japanese RPG magazine scan. Thanks Redditor!

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>>97580565
And today's custom mechs

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>>97580565
...and MechWarrior of the day

>>97580577
THOSE ARENT SLIM AT ALL!
That's an illegal build you cant pack that much equipment on that small a frame

So from the TacOps beast mounted infantry section it looks like I can only make platoons from the beasts on the chart? I dont see any way to convert a Megasaur for use.

>>97580642
The chart is only supposed to be examples, but there are no rules for creating new beasts or converting any more from the RPGs

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>>97580583
Don't get your knickers into a twist over a medium endo-steel frame; some of us would prefer an assault with hardened armor.

In other news; here's the rough zenithal. I'm not sure if anything but the centurion is going to get regular use with my mercenaries, but they'd be cool picks for a campaign.

I demand a Blakist chick with big tits

>>97580661
Bummer. There is a lot of potential for wildly cool infantry platoons just being left to rot. At least I have some dudes on BattleCats. Anyone know of suitable 6mm miniatures for something like that?

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>>97580383
>>97580507
The rabbit hole which eventually led me to battletech all started with this wonderful game

>>97580688
Huh. We got that at the shop.

>>97580681
learn the art of digital kitbashing.

>>97580661
>there are no rules
Then it is a free for all, they can have whatever stats you desire!

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Relevant

>>97580748
The fact that he can't get enough funds for new metal molds is a crime

>>97580748
Do you think anyone would care if I statted something like that as protos or ultralights?

>>97580756
The Abominations are right there

>>97580766
They havent released any construction rules for them.

>>97580756
>>97580766
>>97580776
I wrote this up: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/13eMARy4kR9wwuluQKZ7rAi5pljfPTgQg0LtqN1rIjwY/edit?usp=sharing

Grab the Gothic rulebook from CGL's website and use these as new Abominations, it's what I did.

>>97580748
How'd you get a leaked model from the anime pack?

>>97580792
That's the prepainted Savage Wolf from the Third Star League pack.

>>97580779
The gothic universe primer?

>>97580792
It's a Savage Wolf with Alaric Ward's paint

>>97580809
>>97580838
looks exactly like the leaked drawing.

>>97580859
No idea, maybe in anime universe the savage wolf is the standart model of timber wolf lol

>>97580661
AToWC p133, Converting Creatures for use in Total Warfare

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>>97580859
Looks exactly the same as the Madcat Mk IV (the real name for the Savage Wolf) has looked since 2003.

Look closer at your drawing. They are not the same.

>>97580937
>your drawing
I'm not shimmy.

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>>97580859
The Savage Wolf and the anime box teaser art share having 9 tube missile launchers and a relatively short cockpit section, but the anime box lacks the savage wolf's longer, single-barrel arm guns, instead having double barrel arms like the classic marauder. The anime one's nose is even shorter than the Savage Wolf's.

Could be an anime rendition of a Savage Wolf, but...

Do mech battles in universe/fluff also ends within few minutes? (I mean, givrn that 1 round = 10 seconds and game usually lasting less than 20 rounds so)

>>97580978
also the missile box lids

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>>97580978
I actually think the anime teaser is a Mad Cat Mk II. It has the underside guns, those missile launchers are maybe 10 tubes if you squint, and the one foot lifted pose reminds me of this specific Mk II art. That, in particular, is the sort of pose reference Shimmy does.

Gotta say: I'm way more into that Art Deco battlemaster than either the Gothic stuff or the anime mad cat. But I'm always a slut for art deco.

>>97580988
Yes, Decision At Thunder Rift acknowledges this.

>>97580937
>>97580978
>>97581000
These all look identical.

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Took me a good long time but I finally got the colors locked in.

>>97581010
Develop stronger autism.

>>97580859
>>97581010
ok retard

>>97581024
A timber wolf is a timber wolf, you got to do something a bit more than minorly adjust the panel lines if you want it to be distinct, there are what 30+ slight variations on the look of the timber wolf now? They're all interchangeable.

The Mad Cat Prime is a result of crossbreeding a Marauder with a Catapult, as everyone knows. But the Mad Cat D is actually a result of breeding a Marauder with a Catapult K2, which causes the PPC genes to be expressed more strongly. Despite the name, the Mad Cat Mk II is actually a result of breeding a Catapult with a Nightstar, hence the gauss rifles.

A few other crossbreeds can be tracked. The Hellbringer is a result of an experimental cross between a Warhammer and a Raven, while the Summoner is a much more successful cross between a Warhammer and a Centurion, hence the missiles.

Attempts were made to breed the Dragon with various other mechs in order to produce a new machine, but strangely, the Dragon is such a dominant gene line that this just produced more Dragons such as the Grand Dragon(crossed with Panther) and Dragon II(crossed with Catapult C5). This glut in various Dragon breeds and their vast numbers lead to an interesting phenomenon where the huge numbers of Dragons caused their value to sharply drop. Google "dragon hyperinflation" to learn more.

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>>97581065
brother you are talking about battlemechs as if they were livestock
I think it's better to say the design of a mech is INSPIRED by another, not whatever it is you just said

>>97581073
>This guy doesn't even breed his mechs

>>97581012
Voltron is that you

>>97581078
He should breed the pilots.

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Having trouble naming the Lyran or FedSun-based OpFor using this color and symbol. Any ideas?

>>97581099
Isn't that just the Allies in ww2?

>>97581161
Yeah but 'Allies' wouldn't be a good name

>>97581180
Oh, I see, so they're cosplaying as the allies in WW2 like someone today dressing up like the British at Agincourt.

Hmm. Maybe name them after an iconic vehicle from the era, calling themselves the Shermans or something?

>>97581078
>>97581091
Why not BOTH?!

>>97581210
Neon Genesis: Evangelion

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>>97581225
Far right is best girl

>>97581225
>and shitcoins
kek

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>>97581088
Do they look like sports cars yet?

>>97581343
They remind me of the Mighty Morphin Midget Gnomes.

>>97580978
The examples they chose to show off do not inspire confidence. Better than the godawful Gothic designs, but still something of a letdown.

>>97581347
Maybe I should put numbers on them to really drive home the sports car look

>>97581355
Make sure to put a weird technicolor swirl effect behind them.

>>97581355
Would look neat, yes.

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>>97581225
Make them in to superior clan tomboys and I will buy everything.

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>>97581065
>Google "dragon hyperinflation" to learn more.
THAT'S NOT WHAT GOOGLE SHOWED ME!!!

Anybody got a sculpt date on the Unseen Samurai? Blister says it's catalog 710 but Sarna says that's the code for the Transgressor which also doesn't have a date. I've narrowed it down between 1989 and 1991, but fuck if I can hunt it down exactly.

>>97581225
I no joke want this product. It's past time theres a BT book I can self-insert into.
as the redhead; you can call me flour I wanna be bred so bad

>>97581543
Kill yourself already faggot.
You don't even post mechs anymore, gtfo.

>>97581573
Rude.
But I'm not bottom-anon. I'm American, for one. And for two, I'm pretty. Now talk Mechs. For example, is that monstrosity on the cover of >>97581225 supposed to be an unseen Crusader or something? The head looks Highlander-ish, but the shoulders, chest and arms are Crusadery. But there's no jump jet packs on the back. Actually art, or was it just AIslop?

>>97581661
You're a faggot, which one is quite irrelevant, you can still go kill yourself.

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What would you do for something like a Hoplite when the scheme calls for a different colored head? Depending on how you look at it, the whole body is just one big head.

>>97582140
Paint the half of the torso above the cockpit as the head.

>>97582140
I'd paint around the cockpit and the top 'shell' the same color, but >>97582170 is just as valid

>>97582140
You could paint the outer ring and the face plate the color of the head.

>>97580565
We are being well nourished lately.

Hey there. I got the Battletech Beginner's and the Battletech AGOAC boxes, and we already played the learn to play scenario from the beginner's. We really enjoyed it. The thing is that we don't really know what to play next. How is Battletech supposed to be played? Is it just deathmatch lance vs lance using mechs in TROs until both players have a similar battle value in points? Is there any kind of objective driven scenario we could play? Do we have to make our own lances or are there mission books or something like that? We've already heard about Aces, but we'd prefer to play Classic for the meantime. Thank you very much in advance.

>>97580568
>2 heat sinks
>6 heat sinks
>9 heat sinks
>20 heat sinks
I was wondering where they were getting the tonnages for their weapons, but holy fuck. Are those spare heat sinks or total heat sinks? If those are total, those pilots would fry

>Bad 'Mech- Kuma
>Never really looked at before, what's wrong with it?
>Max armor
>8 jump with IJJs
>Heavy LL: Headcapper weapon with accurate weapon quirk
>Enough cooling to jump around shooting its HLL every turn without worrying about heat build up
>2 C-ERMLs for even more damage when required
I'm sorry, but what is it about the Kuma that's actually bad?

>>97582275
They've run out of ideas and are just using it as a mech-of-the-week. They should really rename it.

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>>97582275
Dropped pic

>>97582275
I dunno. It's pretty undergunned for 1952 BV. There's more than a few Assault mechs that are about the same BV. That's probably about where they're getting it.

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>>97582140
Holly hell, thats one tough boy with big fists. He has more umph and armour than most of my other heavy clan mechs and costs as little as my mediums. Gonna get one. Thx for pointing him out.

>>97580568
>>97582272
After trying it out in megamek, those are extra heatsinks. That makes those designs a lot more reasonable.
For example, the Battle Ruler is essentially just a 20 ton, 3000000 CBill cheaper Battle Master that only gives up a ton and a half of armor and one medium laser. Although, all lasers appear to be facing forward.

>*The Battle Ruler is a 20 ton lighter, 3,000,000 C Bill cheaper Battle Master
I should go to bed

>>97580565
Thanks for sharing. Wonder how many of these are there still to be found?
>>97580667
You'll get a Blakist trap and like it!
>>97582275
I'd be complaining about the cost of what you get versus the price. With Sean however its just copying shit he saw on reddit without any objective thought.
>>97582281
>Ghost Bears chasing after small children
What did the artist mean by this?
>>97582311
I can assure you wholeheartedly Sean doesn't know what BV is.

If the Kuma was five tons lighter it would have an extra seven tons to spend, and the combination of a weapon with an accuracy penalty with a super jump isn't the best choice. Obviously you would have to work pretty hard to make a bad mech with clan weapons.

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>>97582380
that's just clan culture

>>97582389
It DOES have the accurate weapon quirk on it that at least counteracts the penalty at least.

>>97582404
kek

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>>97582404

Ah, such a classic meme.

>>97582380
The guy scanning said there are 13 issues

>>97582389
>If only it was x tons lighter
Same could be said for many a mech. Doesn't mean they are bad. Incidentally you only end up with 8 crits to play with which isn't a lot considering you probably want to dump a lot of that tonnage into extra heatsinks so probably end up with a boring pulse boat.

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>>97582460
The older stuff is often golden.

Nyo, what the Kuma highlights is the problem with Improved JJs. If the rules were "+0.5t" instead of "2x", then IJJs would not be so crippling to mount and it would serve a strong purpose in giving slower, heavier mechs a means to jump a reasonable distance.

>>97582557
Slower, heavier, Mechs SHOULDN'T jump a reasonable distance. Jumping is the single most broken thing about movement and ignores literally every penalty. Heavy and assault Mechs don't need the help.

>>97582557
Ironically I like the prototype version of IJJs more. Double heat from jumping can get nasty but at least they're the normal weight.

Still, their best case usually is just downsizing the engine and just jumping everywhere. 4/6/6 is somewhat better than 5/8/5

>>97582585
Honestly that's what makes the Kuma being 6/9/8 even weirder. It could drop to 5/8/8 and not lose anything. Not sure what you'd do with the extra weight but it's there.

>>97582585
Honestly the Kuma is better off with switching the IJJs for JJs and taking Partial Wing instead. It still hits 7 jump for the Dodge bonus, but you also have extra cooling and free tonnage to play with. I ended up switching the HLL for an CER-PPC, 2 extra DHS for 13 in the engine, an extra CERML and a TargComp to not lose the accuracy bonus from the Accurate Quirk that was on the HLL, but now applied to all the weapons.

I guess you could go for a Pulse LL and Pulse MLs instead, but that's just going fully into cheese territory.

>>97582591
>>97582606
Honestly changing anything about it would just make it boring.

>>97582630
But it's bad, and bad Mechs shouldn't exist. If Sean says it's bad then it needs to be changed.

>>97582264
A lot of players just do BV balanced lance vs lance deathmatch and call it a day, but BT is a huge system with an extensive toolkit. You could do a campaign and/or add all kinds of non-deathmatch objectives, link multiple battles together, copy "historical" battles, play it as an RPG, whatever you want. Almost everyone balances things using BV2 (and most also use a combination of in-universe year and rules level to limit options), but the actual official rule in the main book is to pick or create a scenario and then select forces according to it. If the scenario says to use arbitrarily or randomly selected units, then that's what you do. Everything is up to the players to agree on.

>>97582630
What if I want to switch to regular JJs so I can fit on a Large Vibroblade?

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More WoB BA painted.

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Stone Lions are cool. More lore for them when? More lore for the Home Clans when?

>>97582735
>More lore for the Home Clans when?
Probably never unless it involves them being wiped out because the writers never know what to do with them desu.
Some Clans get a pass because the writers in charge of them are clearly writing things they think are cool and can get away with it because the main team couldn't give any less of a shit about the Periphery. Like with the Scorpions and their foundation and expansion as a Deep Periphery empire, or the Hell's Horses who basically exist to produce the experimental anime-esque equipment that the old Line Dev would have seethed over, like the Incubus II with its refined freehanded weaponry, QuadVees, and Glider Protomechs.

>>97582735
I hope never. The Wars of Reaving was great but given the current standard of the lore, I don't believe they'd do anything good with the homeworld clans. Leave them be.

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>>97582675
>Using a Clan mech for melee

>>97580753
A good vulcanizing press is like $5000 used.

>>97582648
Sounds like all he's doing is suggesting another lance of at least silver medalists for the mech olympics.

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>>97582855
It's dezgra until it isn't.

>>97582884
To be fair isn't that just classed as stepping on Spheroids which they can get around?

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On top of painting up some BA I also got a game in yesterday. During the fighting on Reykavis within the Marian Hegemony, a small force of Cohors Morituri are assigned an impossible task. To kill the Manei Domini leading the WoB invasion force and cut off the head of the Blakist leadership.
It is a suicide mission, but the Cohors Morituri exist only to die. The unit hides, deactivated and silent, within a small forest directly in the path of the Blakist advance. As the Master's servants pass by on their march towards victory, the Cohort of the Dead reactivate their machines and burst from hiding, hurling themselves at the Faithful forces with the reckless courage of one who knows he is already dead.
This was a Marian victory, remarkably. Neither of us actually expected them to win but they did it, those crazy bastards in the Cohort of the Dead actually did it. It cost all of their mechs except for one, but they brought down Adept Ra, and with her death the Blakist invasion is thrown into chaos, buying time for the rest of the Hegemony's forces to rally and, perhaps, even granting them a small chance at victory.

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Looks like someone inverted the colour palette lol

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I also just really like how this pic came out :)

>>97582380
Blakist bitch only I don't smash no fembois

>Clan scientists make a mech with a good simple loadout that can fight mechs and infantry
>Inner Sphere scientists are baffled and confused

>>97583112
Because this loadout is probably physically impossible to replicate with IS tech.
Because for some reason(bad writing) the clans can just make super star league tech in the span of 20 years and then nobody is allowed to make anything except sidegrades for the next three centuries.

>>97583140
>Because this loadout is probably physically impossible to replicate with IS tech.
No
The Incubus 1 is perfectly replicateable with a slightly smaller engine or other compromises. It's role in combat given by its armament is perfectly straightforward. But scientists were scratching their head until they learned that the Clans had DUELS! Historians and anthropologists will be poring over this one for decades.

>>97583173
>The Incubus 1 is perfectly replicateable
>if you don't actually replicate the loadout

>>97583112
You are aware that designs like the Thunderbolt do exist since the Age of War?

>>97582264
Surprisingly enough, you're hitting on one of the most common questions in BT. It's a remarkably flexible game, but part of that flexibility comes from its quixotic refusal to set anything approaching a standard of play. The new rulebook due later this year is taking the bold (for BT) of suggesting some gamey neutral missions, something obvious for anyone who has played, say, 40K in the past 25 years, but a huge leap for a Battletech rulebook. That's the kind of environment you're dealing with.

>>97583207
*have existed
Also meant to add that there are plenty of IS generalist designs out there that can easily deal with multiple threats. Hell stick infernos on an SRM and instant infantry barbecue.

>>97583112
>>97583227
I suppose they're just confused the Clans actually did a reasonable generalist loadout instead of just sticking enough pulse lasers or ERPPCs on the mech to instantly shut down the reactor if they're all fired at once.

>>97583291
Well you know what they say about a broken watch. There are conversely some IS designs that would be competent dueling mechs that don't do so hot on a live battlefield.

>>97583173
Okay that’s not exactly a fair concession

>yeah this is still an Incubus it just runs slower, dies easier, hits softer, and is missing weapons, but it’s got two mediums and a large laser so it’s basically the same thing

To get similar performance out of the weapons you’re looking for IS mechs that pack 2 large lasers and a PPC (or large pulse), which is roughly equivalent to the damage that 2 Clan ER Mediums and an Large Pulse can do. The closest thing that approaches that on a clan invasion IS mech is the Blackjack BJ2-OD, and that’s a 3057 mech and it sure as FUCK doesn’t move 9/14. Or go up to 60 tons and be a Lancelot, but again, you haven’t really made an Incubus then, have you?

If I was an IS scientist and saw a mech that runs faster than a fucking locust and hits as hard as an IS heavy and ran ice cold doing it, I would be in absolute disbelief.

>>97583437
They weren't confused by the tech itself, though, since by this time IS had already encountered Clan frontline omnimechs and knew from first-hand experience what Clantech could do. They were specifically confused by the choice of weapon loadout.

>>97583536
Which is kinda silly, because a big gun backed up by a couple of medium guns with some anti-infantry options isn't particularly strange. They should have made it so they were baffled by something like big prominent weapon lockouts in the cockpit. Why would anyone want to be able to turn their weapons completely off one by one? Why would it need such a prominent console when something like that would normally be buried in a maintenance menu?

>>97583570
Some people like analog controls.

>>97582931
>>97582925
>>97582923
ok

>>97582923
Cool, can someone explain to newfag why Blakists attacked everyone? I read a bit on them but it seems like they had no other plan than just to antagonise everybody and die.
>>97582931
It is cool pic.

>>97583709
They'd been following a prophecy for generations about the galaxy nuking itself into the stone age and then they get to swoop in and save everyone and become the rulers of all known space, and they got rugpulled after a long series of cockblocks. God helps those who help themselves.

>>97583291
>just sticking enough pulse lasers or ERPPCs on the mech to instantly shut down the reactor if they're all fired at once.
This is correct way of building robots, you might not like it but this is peak of human engineering.

>>97583291
No, this happens more than once to 2nd line battlemechs. The Vapor Eagle is another and it also has a perfectly sensible generalist prime configuration.

>>97583709
They basically had a full on mental breakdown and decided that the only way to fix the Inner Sphere was to be in charge and if you weren't going to let them lead, then clearly you were the problem.
Burn it all down and rebuild from the ashes in their own image, kinda thing.
Also the Manei Domini and the rest of the WoB were pursuing their own goals by the end of the Jihad so much of the randomness that makes it seem like the WoB were simply lashing out without an aim was the result of two sides of the Word trying to achieve to their own aims.
There's also an in-universe, half-canon-not-canon theory that the Master purposefully did all this horrible shit to unite the Inner Sphere against him and usher in a new, united nation like the Star League in order to bring about Blake and Toyama's vision, IE the Republic of the Sphere.

>>97583732
Oh so its just like with clan invasion, they had to lose or game would have ended.

>>97583709
>Cool, can someone explain to newfag why Blakists attacked everyone?
Butthurt, they wanted "Praise the Omnissiah" and hoard all the technology for themselves but everyone said "No, fuck off with this retardation' instead of kneel like the wh40k cucks.

>>97583750
>anon finally realises Battletech is a game and thus no one can "win" or it all ends
This must be quite shocking to you.

>>97583754
(You)

>>97583747
>There's also an in-universe, half-canon-not-canon theory that the Master purposefully did all this horrible shit to unite the Inner Sphere against him and usher in a new, united nation like the Star League in order to bring about Blake and Toyama's vision, IE the Republic of the Sphere.
Thats actually not bad but Republic didnt last that long right?

>>97583766
The dream of peace always fades, anon.

>>97583766
It didn't last that long, its reach wasn't very far, and it devolved into doing worse shit than most of the states around it had done at any time in the last few centuries.

>>97583764
I accept your concession.

>>97583757
Not rly, seen it before I was just wondering why they did it since my lore-fu is very weak. Played only mw3-mw4 and now painting my first star ever.

>>97583766
The vision for the RotS was grand and wonderful but it fell apart without Stone. It could be argued the vision of Blake and Toyama will be achieved by the Clans if Ward's successors can keep the new Star League around. Which is ironic since the WoB loathed the Clans due to them not being a part of the Prophecy and viewing them as cowards that fled and the let OG League die.

>>97583790
>It could be argued the vision of Blake and Toyama will be achieved by the Clans if Ward's successors can keep the new Star League around.
We know it endures 100 years at least so it'll last longer than the RotS at least. Thus far though, its lore is no where near as interesting.

>>97583437
Yes you are confused about the complaint being brought up. It is not the amount of free weight it has for its tonnage, the problem is describing the mech as having a nonsensical loadout until "learning" that it is meant for duels. Which is completely nonsensical writing. If it were applied to a mech with a truly overloaded setup like the Loki then it makes perfect sense to question why it has too many guns of different kinds, but the Incubus in its original config should inspire no such reaction. It is a Wolfhound with machineguns and very fast legs, Spheroid analysts should comprehend its battlefield role instantly while only being surprised that it has a secondary function of matching itself to other opponents, which is also bad writing anyway because just about any mech can do this and it doesn't have a grabbag weapons list either.

word of blacked

>>97583810
Sup burgerbro.

>>97583824
According to the tweeter leaks, that man is in Bangladesh. Or possibly Bangalore. Some kind of Bang.

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>>97583790
Thx I am waaay behind with recent lore, my knowlage about timeline stops at second Star League.
Question about Alpha Strike, do you like it?
At my LGS there is wave going with at least 6-8 active players and even some lads I seen 15y ago coming out to get AS and play BT again. At our last meetup there were 6 players and twice as many spectators. Only had 2 games so far but main rules are very easy and there is room for as much complexity as you like, plus I like this scale a lot more than GW games.

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>>97583866
>Question about Alpha Strike, do you like it?
At work so short answer. Yes, I love it. If you want to play combined arms, it's the way to go. Protos, vehicles, BA and so on are fucking barrels of fun to use in AS.
If you want pure mech on mech, classic is the way to go. Mech vs Mech is done much better there. AS is for combined arms, large scale battles. Classic is for smaller scale, handful of mech fights.

>>97583807
Okay I see what you mean now, and yeah that’s a bit of a reach; I’m expected to believe that spheroids couldn’t conceive a use case for an Incubus until they were told it’s for dueling? It’s a basic fast striker with a spread of machine guns for anti-infantry work, I struggle to see what’s so confusing about the concept of such a mech.

I wonder how the clan invasion would have gone if they decided to do a bunch of moral posturing instead of coming to pick a fight. A tour of the IS, showing off their tech and moral character. That kind of stuff.

>>97583957
So what they go around giving everyone headpats and calling them all very naughty children?

>>97583734
Fucking this. So many babies cry if it's not perfectly heat neutral. "Waaaahhh my heat efficiency I build movement heat it's literally unplayable!" I paid for the whole heat scale and by Blake I'm going to use it! If you are dead and I am not, then it doesn't fucking matter!

>>97583957
>Clan Invasion of Privacy

>>97583957
How does this sell wargaming miniatures?

How will a guy with Liao/Kurita (like, John Liao-Jackson or something for example) in his name be treated in Davion space? Or a guy with Davion in his name in Kurita and so on

>>97584159
Sell miniatures?

>>97584101
Bracket fire mechs or ones that can ride the heat scale are my favorites. If I can smash the big red button every turn and never heat up even if I try, that’s boring. Stuff like the Ebon Jaguar A is where it’s at - this is a real fucking mech for real fucking pilots.

>>97584167
Depends on the era and depends who exactly consider the likes of Kai-Allard Liao exists.

>>97584167
John Liao Jackson's got nothing on Sam Liao Jackson

>>97583757
The problem is that the succession wars ending in stalemate is reasonable, it was a decent setup.
>so these five roughly matched great powers all want to be the new king of space and fight each other over it
Ok so why don't one of them win?
>well they can't focus too much on one neighbor or they'll get rolled by the other so they end up in this unwinnable mexican standoff in space and nuke each other so hard that they couldn't kill each other if they wanted to
Then came the federated commonwealth
>so the two most powerful great houses by a ridiculous degree just joined forces and are one state
Ok so why don't they win?
>oh they just don't do anything
What?
>and then it just died and they broke up again
???
Then with the clans it's
>so these super powerful super advanced guys show up and completely dominate the great houses in combat and they have warships after the great houses blew all theirs up and the civilians aren't too mad with occupation either
Ok so why don't they win?
>well they're too retarded to win you see
???
And then it's the same with WoB, they were too retarded to win, they strategically never had a chance, that was just a hopeless chimpout against literally everyone for the sake of drama.

>>97584248
Well the fedcom can't just win because the other three ganged up on them. That alliance wasn't as tight, but it was bigger.

>>97584248
It was all Perez's fault, and he'd do it again.

>>97584254
Think if there wasn't Comstar's interdiction and shits and KatKat being crazy bitch the FedCom would have eventually won. Victor marrying Omi and being a friend and in-law with Hohiro would have been big

>>97584254
>Well the fedcom can't just win because the other three ganged up on them.
The FWL sat around doing fuckall except some raids on the FC and the capellans, the capellans and dracs get utterly rolled by the FC, then the dracs just say "nah, I'd win" and decide to solo the FC and win.
But pretty much nothing that happens with the FC before the clan invasion actually sees anything substantial change.

>>97584291
Kat wasnt crazy. She was just an amoral power hungry monster who dismissed military power as irrelevant.

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>>97583709
Because everyone deserved it.

>>97584310
That's just Solaris, baby!

Were there any freeborn khans of the various clans after the founding generation died?

>>97583891
So far we only played with mechs and even 3vs3 were quick for total noobs. I do plan to have some troopers(clan space marines- yes I know but they look cool and have 3 armour) some elementals and few fighter jets/helicopters. I chosen Cloud Cobra mostly because painting scheme looked cool but also plains.
>>97584101
Penalties for heat are a big thing but having option of doing aditional 1-2-3 dmg is tempting and tactically viable at certain moments.
I overheated my mecha on first turn, run and hide on second, on third got closer and OV them again for big dmg. 5 to 3 kills say I was correct.

Should a Battletech show do a retelling of canon events, or should it focus on a ragtag bunch of mercs?

>>97584455
I've found the characters in pretty much every recent story(the past like decade or so being recent) almost universally insufferable or boring, so I'd rather just something focusing on a DC unit fighting the clans during the opening stages of the clan invasion or something.

>>97584475
Honestly, a BT show would work best as an anthology. Few episodes tell a short story across the IS during different eras. Maybe a major event or two.

>>97584455
I'd rather >>97584490 and no more merc shit

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Bases left and then a gloss coat on the mechs

>>97584303
Operation Guerrero isn't nothing.

>>97584572
Looking good

>>97584307
>Kat wasnt crazy. She was just an amoral power hungry monster who dismissed military power as irrelevant.
That's pretty crazy sounding...

>>97584455
Depends on budget.

>>97584580
That was seven years after the clan invasion.

>>97584704
You mean after everyone stopped being really worried about the outside threat that put most other conflict on pause?

>>97584716
I feel like you've misread the post you responded to.

>>97583709
People gave you the in-universe reason: the real reason is that Clicktech existed, and they rebooted Battletech in the "Dark Age Era" where technology was shit and mechs were rare. For a new game they needed a blank slate, or something that resembled a blank slate, so they made up the Jihad as a way to build the Republic and a period of disarmament/peace to justify the new starting point.
The Jihad doesn't make much sense because it was a half-assed job at best to justify a timeskip. All the reasons they tried in-universe to explain make little sense or are preposterous at best: how could a small techcult try to conquer the entire IS? And so you have 40+ divisions of troops and killer cyborgs from thin air. Where are all the "beloved" units and characters? Killed by Blakists.
This has the weird result that the Blakists were allowed to punch in the face a lot of sacred cows (Goons, Fochstar) before being annihilated by the new Hero of The Setting, Devlin Stone.

>>97584801
The Jihad was planned before dark age, but it wasn't nearly as devastating, more likely to have been some kind of suicide run to take out fochtstar and maybe try to decapitate strike the successor states and clans. Dark Age specifically mentioned it as one of the main contributing factors to there even being a dark age, so it had to be expanded way beyond its original scope.

>>97584801
And thus began the line of companies fucking with the setting to "put their mark on the franchise"
they could have readily done that by just reprinting material and putting their logo on the front.

>>97584819
I do agree. Field Manual: Comstar seems to setup the Jihad as a more limited conflict that would have seen Fochstar triumph as usual. All that Second Star League elite units being killed off like chumps by Blakists always felt a tad anticlimactic.

>>97584832
They wanted it to be a blind box game and they wanted the mechs to be the rare pulls. That means the common pulls had to be trash, and even in the deepest depths of the 3rd succ, mechs were fairly common and definitely on what constituted the front lines.
The dark age of confusion where everyone can fight anyone and barely any of them have mechs (and what mechs they do have are new dark age exclusives) is a direct result of the blind box business model. They worked backwards in more than one way to justify it. All the mechs are destroyed by some central authority. Communications are fucked and nobody knows who they're fighting or why. Half the things on the table are the equivalent of backhoes with a machine gun duct taped on top.
How did this follow on the fedcom civil war? Uhh...Jihad! And the winner of the Jihad told everyone to put their mechs away! Then it all broke so now they fight without mechs unless you get a rare pull.

Then when they started working on actual Battletech again they had to start at the Civil War and continue through the Dark Age, so they had to actually explain this whole Jihad thing.

>>97584876
It's better if you just ignore everything post-FASA because all of that is copes to justify shitty fanfiction inserts.
Except it isn't really fanfiction is it? They're clearly not fans of the game.

>>97584876
The only thing wizkids did right was licensing fanpro to publish Battletech while wizkids was shitting the bed with clickytech, so we got the only licensee since FASA to do things right, where Fanpro only reprinted existing material and altered it only insofar as to correct editing errors (IIRC)

>>97584572
GO GO POWER RANGERS!

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>>97584455
Why not both?

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>>97584572
Flea racing

>>97584959
There is no pink one.
>>97585002
Thank you! this is what I wanted, though even I am now seeing Voltron -_-
Just imagine in-universe this could totally be a thing, light mechs stripped of weapons to optimize speed and handling, maybe some keep JJ's, maybe some dont.

>>97585016
varieties of engines, gyros and cockpits are already in the game making for variation in pure speed performance, piloting skill and piloting skill rolls make handling a variable on the dice and having paved tracks make wipeouts a real possibility, formula flea racing in the game as-is could work.

>>97585016
>>97585060
Superchargers and MASC too, this could make flea racing more than just a one-off meme game type, bringing luck and skill into play a simple 3-lap circuit map would have unpredictable results as to who wins and by how much.

>>97585016
NTA but power rangers kinda stopped to use pink in all the generations like 15 years ago lol

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>>97585093
>15 years ago
And I stopped watching power rangers a good decade before that kiddo.

>>97585119
>seatbelts for walking
Absurd.

>>97582965
Gay

>>97585119
you can see a bulge on the blue one lmao

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>>97585081
Racing Flea
Low BV means you'd have to start with a stock Flea and earn the C-bills to eventually upgrade it to this point.

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>>97585196
Ok homo

>>97585212
I would marry that tank, fuck it, and have many beautiful tank children with her.

>>97585120
You're too old to be posting here. Fuck off to Facebook, boomer.

>>97585236
Lick my hairy unwashed taint, child.

>>97585196
It is as disgusting as it was in 203, 1567 and 2021.

>>97585196
Oh, wrong thread lol. Oh well

>>97585212
>r*ddit post

>>97585268
epstien posting....

>>97585371
>epstien

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>>97585334
r*ddit

>>97585439
Why did you dunk it in cheese

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>>97583866
>Question about Alpha Strike, do you like it?
Yes, I love it
It moves really fast and feel cinematic

>>97583891
Cool BA and/or infantry models.

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>>97585439
I fucked up and drown him in primer and I didn’t know that cold was bad yet from /WIP/ so I let him freeze outside after. Also has a weird print texture on the other side of the turret. Probably the most ugly thing I have but I love the demolisher.

Any games that let you play BT mechs alongside WW2 micro armor?

>>97585483
Is that a Pouncer? What version?

>>97585551
>when your puma, cougar line of 'lights but with two big energy guns' work so well, you go ahead and make a medium of it.

Pew pew motherfuckers!

>>97585093
Pretty sure that's because they stop using it in Super Sentai...

>>97585163
'eh's SCOTTASH!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7Pa9x8alF0

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>>97585601
>gas gas gas intensifies

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>>97585601
OUTTA MY WAY

I'M SLAMMIN ALL OVER THIS BATTLEFIELD

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Is these THE most Draconis Combine Lances a man can make?

Lance 1:
Jenner
Panther
No-Dachi
Hatamoto-Chi

Lance 2
Rokurokubi
Akuma
Shiro
Grand Dragon

Just bought proliferation cycle pack, I don't really need Coyotl, thiking about converting it into Champion or something. What's the closest mech in looks to Coyotl?

>>97585601
Everyone's fighting in battles with guns, missiles, etc, meanwhile this guy is running a marathon for fun

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And finished.

>>97585687
Bushwacker maybe.

>>97585723
Looks pretty good anon, now race them for us.

>>97585551
Yes, I believe we just played it as Prime but I did not make the lists for that session

>>97585723
What’s the story on these, Horst?

>>97581065
I know this is prime shitposting, but a bunch of post-human robots breeding giant, flesh-based, cyborg fighting machines is a much stronger concept than all of the AU stuff they're gonna be churning out.

>>97585814
IRL I wanted to print an Annihilator and couldn't come up with a lance for it, so I printed the bunch of Fleas for fun.
If anyone demands I justify these in a 3025 game because "muh dragoons exclusives!" I will announce that a 30 year old womanizing mercenary challenged the entirety of the Dragoons in one on one combat using an Ambassador mech, he went on to beat them all with critical engine hits by kicking them in the rear armor, he claimed the Annihilator and all their survivings Fleas from this as well as taking Nasty as a bondswoman, who now serves as his living foot stool and does not fuck because he says she's too old, instead he has a harem of teenage Canopian Catgirl quadruplets (who pilot the Fleas) who are not old and nasty hags.

>>97581486
>IS Battletech Breeding Academy is an eroge
>Clan Battletech Breeding Academy is a resource management game

>>97585867
I really want to play a Clan Breeding Academy board game

>>97584455
Ideally you do 2 shows. One an in-universe historical documentary that takes an overhead view of the setting and its chronology with the mech fighting presented as "historical footage." The other is a ground level look at the setting told through narrative stories, either following a set group of characters or skipping across the timeline with an anthology.

>>97585964
Just do WrestleMania but Battletech.

>>97585845
Ah I thought you were planning to use them in some kind of special scenario

>>97586075
I'm definitely interested in the idea of Flea racing on the tabletop, as stated above the game has everything needed to make it interesting baked right in.
Start a circuit of four players on a campaign with stock Fleas, work them up to the above posted record sheet by earning winnings and increasing piloting skill.
Does one allow kicks and DFA attacks? if so, outright or with a chance to be disqualified with a referee roll of some kind? Sprint tracks, looped multi-lap tracks? lots of things to consider.
Got to use terrain extensively, lots of pavement but maybe throw in a swamp or hills course to mix things up.
professional circuit tracks or street racing between city buildings tracks? Both? if street racing will there be police urbies/enforcers trying to shoot down or pull over the players?

>>97582389
>Obviously you would have to work pretty hard to make a bad mech with clan weapons.
Single heat sinks. Not even mixtech refits. "Trainer" mechs like the Bear Cub.

Which military is most likely to deploy ice cream dropships? Lyrans?

>>97586220
Star League

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>>97586261
This makes me so irrationally angry.

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>>97586308
This makes me so irrationally happy.

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>>97585653
Seems pretty samurai to me anon but I’m not really a weeb to know, surprised all the dragonfags are silent must all be snuggled up with their body pillows right now.

>>97586377
There's a great bit of irony to posting an FRR pic while shit talking the snakes

So FRR got introduced and then destroyed in less than a year in real time?

>>97586532
More or less. They formed right before the clan wars then lost literally every single system they had.

>>97586267
>This makes me so irrationally angry.
Logistics wins wars!

>>97586595
goyslop cheeseburgers don't have the shelf life that MRE rations do which is far more important to military logistics considerations. corporate branding is not camouflage, that big blue trailer is retarded, goyslop cheeseburgers do not have the nutrition necessary to keep a fighting man going.
I'm sure there are more arguments I could list out if I wanted to put time and effort into this breakdown.

>>97586595
Good logistics wins wars, this is just corporate lobbying and wasted tax money and it only works because the US doesn't actually fight peers, it kicks around kids in a sandbox for oil money.

>>97586662
"Fighting men" living on a base for months at a time eating nothing but MREs behind fortified walls and a constantly monitored no man's land is a recipe for a whole lot of medical discharges once the collective constipation becomes too much.
American logistics can deliver fresh mystery meat burgers to anywhere on Earth in under 24 hours, regardless of what color the truck is after it gets dropped off in a secure landing zone.

>>97586662
>goyslop cheeseburgers don't have the shelf life that MRE rations do which is far more important to military logistics considerations
As long as wastage is below an acceptable threshold within a certain period of time, that is not a problem. Food soldiers actually want to eat is also a great for morale, motivated soldiers perform better.
>corporate branding is not camouflage, that big blue trailer is retarded
How many were lost due to enemy action?
>goyslop cheeseburgers do not have the nutrition necessary to keep a fighting man going.
Cheeseburgers actually have a fuckton of nutrition. Like way too much nutrition even.
Unless something changed in the past few years, you can live off the things and be perfectly healthy.

>>97586704
>once the collective constipation becomes too much.
The HORROR!!!

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>>97586662
TBT (Tactical Burger Truck) deployed: -1TN for all units for next 3 turns or until TBT (Tactical Burger Truck) is destroyed.

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The AFFS and mercenaries working in their space get food supply contracts with Triple F Burger. I don't think the whale burgers arrive in a camouflaged truck.

>>97586662
Leave it to some civilian dipshit to demand soldiers be fed like dogs always instead of just most of the time. Almost every other American on the planet can get a cheeseburger across the globe, so if Private fuckwit wants to come back to a base covered in dust, oil and grime and he says "You know what, I want a greasy awful burger," how fucking dare you deny him his birthright.

The morale benefits alone of having a hot meal like you'd have back home, even a goofy ass fast food one, instead of something coming out of a brown waxed paper bag-- you almost can't measure it.

>>97586095
>ALM-XF
>This Fireball unique variant, built in 3077, was equipped with a 320-rated XXL engine, MASC, and supercharger. This combination of speed systems gives it a consistent running speed of 259.2 km/h, with bursts of up to 432 km/h possible. Weaponry consists only of a pair of ER small lasers, while protection is provided by a mere three and a half tons of ferro-fibrous armor. Despite these limitations, and the fragile XL gyro, the owner (noted as a criminal) didn't see this as a problem. The Fireball-XF (which stands for "Extra Fast") is used only in illegal street races.
Also the Noisiel games included mech racing.
So all we need is a structure for how to do the courses on tabletop, but if it's going to be all Fleas I think no weapons allowed is best, the PSR hazards carry enough risk of mech destruction without the Large Laser one-shotting your opposition.

>>97586704
>collective constipation becomes too much.
Yeah MREs are not meant to be eaten on a long term basis. /k/ has dozens of stories related to MRE shit related shenanigans. It might be goyslop but it's familiar food. And when you're active the sheer calories they have won't matter as much.

Well now I just want to add Burger King iconography to my mechs.

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>>97586769
Not the first person to think of this apparently, here's a well detailed track map.

>>97586813
Get a sponsorship deal with triple F to paint their logo on your mechs for money.
Have combat footage of your battles used in their advertising.

>>97586769
>Fail PSR
>Skid 1.5 kilometers, flips and explodes in a huge fireball (Fitting)
Boy I sure am glad real world physics don't apply in Battletech.

>>97586851
>tfw Triple F sends you to raid a Kerensky Fried Chicken distribution center

>>97586861
In fairness I think the skid damage would kill it...

>>97586837
Rules
The Rules for this Scenario are based on CriticalRocket's Race Rules and fitted to this particular race track:
- The race goes over 3 full runs of the race track.
- All players play Phoenix-Hawk K's or similar 6/9/0 Mechs.
- Obviously, the game can also be played with 4 Teams of 2 or some such.
- The legitimate race track is the floor of the valley. The players can use the alternate tracks in the middle zone, the towers can't reach them there anyway.
- Crossing the river costs 1 mp less, i.e. 4MP, since it is shallow. But it still provides full cooling in case of leg mounted heatsinks.
- A mech may stand on the level 2 ledge of the valley for one turn. If it stays for longer, the nearest 2 Towers start shooting at it, all sets with real ammo.
- If a mech shoots one of the towers, all towers start shooting all their rockets at that mech for the next 3 rounds using regular ammo.
- If a mech shoots at the radio tower, all tower start shooting at that mech. And in addition, there are two full squads of SRM troops coming out of the hotels in APCs, comprised of very angry influencers and 'stars'.

>>97586868
Mayhem
- At the start of the second run through the race course, all players may start firing at each other. Before that, only close combat takes place as the mechs jockey for position. The mech's guns are switched off before they cross the line for the first time.
- Killing a Mech gets 1 Point, finishing first 4 Points, second 3 Points and so on.
- If two Mechs have an equal number of points at the end of 3 runs through the race course, they have to make an additional run. But this time, they may go through the middle break in the wall without setting off the mines there. If they run through that area at any other time, they will find it mined with an anti-mech mine doing 20 damage.
- These are gladiatorial games done for a 3D audience on 15 worlds, so exceptional effects get extra points. The players vote if a particular action gets that point.
- And of course: Coup-de-Grace on a downed mech gets +1 victory points IF the player rolls 8+ on audience opinion, +1 for each victory point the downed mech made with exceptional effects, i.e. if the pilot is cool, the audience doesn't want them taken out.

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>>97586532
>>97586538
6 months realtime. Then they became a Comstar Protectorate for over a decade with a sad 5 worlds.

>>97586837
>>97586868
>>97586874
Overall pretty decent base stop start with, modify it a bit to remove the weapons allowance and the track turrets (which I left out the rules for) because they are rather gimmicky and rely on a paint colour mechanic only sensible in a videogame, I think allowing melee attacks is reasonable though.

>>97586876
I wish they'd actually use Rasalhague to explore a syncretic IS / Clan cultural mix.

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>>97586892
I wish the Hogs fought the Bears as hard as they did the Dracs, which is still roll over like whores in straight combat and daily life, but a lot of begrudging compliance and terrorism. Where's the Bloodnamed Council getting hit by a dropship from orbit?

>>97586892
Does always feel like the Clan hybrid nations are basically Clans first, IS second.

>>97586912
The thing is the different approaches for them could be really interesting. Rasalhague has allegedly produced a true unified culture with shared values, the Raven Alliance basically operates two nations and the Ravens are responsible for the military security of both, and the Wolf Empire imposes the Wolf caste system top-down from the outside on a mix of Lyrans and Spheroids, yet none of these different approaches to conquest and colonialism really get explored.

>>97586912
That's because they are foreign clan nations ruling an area, not real hybrids. They are called the Occupation Zones for a reason, and any renames later are just a rose by any other name.

>>97586922
Cranky because you lost to our superior Clan ways of warfare and now rightfully rule, aren't you, spheroid?

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>>97586968
I can't wait to shoot your fancy mechs out from under you for cash Mr. Clan-man.

You better keep bringing 5 mechs to a fight, that's the only way this is even going to be close to fair.

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>>97586908
>I wish the Hogs fought the Bears as hard as they did the Dracs
Did they ever really fight the Dracs all that hard either?
Like yeah seperatist elements were always a thing in the shared Drac/Lyran space, but they never really came off as the vast majority, just a significant enough minority to justify Comstar pushing the Dracs to turn the area into a buffer state against the FedCom.
Even the Ronin Wars were basically the Dracs carrying the Kungsarmé against forces who explicitly didn't want to choose between being forced out of the DC or being forced out their homes in the former district.

>>97586908
Why would they? the Rasalhaguians didn't like the weeb culture, they refused it, it's why the combine granted them independence to create a buffer zone from the clans, they were a sacrifice, whereas the Ghost Bears treated their conquered civilians well and their family values were a good match for the Scandinavian Rasalhaguian culture, they had no reason to fight a war they were guaranteed to lose when the new master was a straight improvement over the old.

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>>97587039
>it's why the combine granted them independence to create a buffer zone from the clans
Nigga, Teddy did it to kill his Uncle and all his troops that were trying to usurp the throne PLUS replace those troops with 10 regiments of new car smell Comstar machines. Even THEN, he kept half of Rasalhague and made it Alshain which gave him no trouble at all.

Also.
>family values
Nobody tell him.

>>97587039
Ghost Bear family values are like American megacorp family values. You're family when it comes time to do some more unpaid overtime and cover everyone else's shift, you're a number in a database when it comes time to fire you because the security algorithm thinks you arrive three minutes late to work and HR policies are draconian. Except the ghost bears just shoot you in the back of the head, since they're actually one of the more bloodthirsty clans.

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>>97587103
Nope, ghost bear warriors dont think having freebirths is icky, they're about real family.

>>97587033
>Did they ever really fight the Dracs all that hard either?
It was all malicious compliance and terrorism. Takashi's father was killed by his hog bodyguard. Takashi was almost assassinated because Teddy was going to get married to a hog princess and they thought Teddy would be nicer to them. They had the biggest ugliest prison planet in the Combine to keep all the malcontents. They are literally the Skye of the Combine, just as rebellious and sneaky. Also why the original 3034 Comstar plan for a post-4th War buffer zone included doing the exact same thing to the Lyrans with Skye, but it failed.

>>97587111
>ghost bear warriors dont think having freebirths is icky, they're about real family.
I'm sure that's what they tell you as they're handing you your deport orders to Vega.

>>97587111
Ghost Bear family stuff is just a meme, in reality they just don't treat their freebirths/labor caste quite as shitty as the Jags and Vipers. They're just unironically communists.

>>97587128
Deport? Nah I'm great genetic stock, my blood goes straight into the iron womb program, while my seed goes straight into the elemental womb.

>>97587211
>He thinks bloodnamed don't get deported to Vega

Say hello to Issis Bekker for us.

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>>97587119
>They had the biggest ugliest prison planet in the Combine to keep all the malcontents.
what planet is it?

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>>97587413
FYI, they turn it into some goofy museum after independence.

Has anyone got a scan of the short story in the gothic box?

>>97583802

I dont think its gonna get interesting with the current cast running it. Unless Alaric has a full schizo breakdown with the voices in his head and Nasty K 2.0 dies or fucks off. The SLDF seems to have all the good PR, while the Sea Foxes and Ravens have their own popularity while side-eying eachother.

There was that bit of a great annihilation and a lack of any Wolf bloodnames, so some people here were spitballing that Clan Wolf got annihilated or dethroned as IlClan.

>>97587699
So far Alaric has screwed over most of his allies in one way or another, and the few he hasn't gotten around to are set up in such a way that it will be very easy for him to do so. He's a completely unlikable douchebag and will most likely continue to be so. Dethroning him will very quickly become a popular position in the inner sphere.

>>97586755
I think even Clusewitz wrote scornfully about people trying to minmax army provisions back in 1830, so some things never change.

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>https://archive.org/details/rpgdragon-issue-07
>https://archive.org/details/rpgdragon-issue-08
Today's special double episodes of Japanese RPG magazine scan
>CGL just ask the Japanese for your AnimeTech AU please?