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Can I get a non-meme reason why?
I don’t get why anyone likes them. They don’t even have a cool totem animal and iirc mostly use non-omnis.
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I want to smell Joanna Jade Falcon’s command couch.
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Anon wanted to see the whole Flying Circus, not quite a battalion.
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Hay guys when Alaric WolfyMcWolferson wolfs up, will the merchants of Clan Sea Fox rise up and unify the Inner Sphere under the banner of the Store League?
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>>97596280
Have you ever considered painting up a bunch of Mossad level IIs? Just for kicks?
Or painting up some shitmechs in blue and white stripes? You know, for equality and representation purposes.Though to be honest, I will not be too surprised if you respond with a pic of both of those..
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>>97596322
I kinda wanna echo your statement because nazi anon already has a wild collection but at the same time I don’t know if I can see Mr. MechaHitler painting jewish mechs.
>>97596280 looks good, I like the mech choices, very nicely filled out.
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>>97596580
A Fortress, custom STL I did myself from a random non-battletech ship, totally reworked it.
>>97596612
Your instincts are correct.
And even sarna states
>the FORMER state of israel
because the orthodox ceased to exist and the rest went catholic, CGL keeps ignoring that though
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I finally have all the mechs/vehicles produced in plastic from Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Crusher Joe, and Fang of the Sun: Dougram. With duplicates I have 40 units/10 lances/1 battalion.
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>>97597026
The actual Fortress has an actual listed size that'd probably add an inch or two to it's height at mechscale. The other things a Fortress holds are ammo for the guns, infantry, and cargo to supply all of the personnel. The Fortress is a big bastard, but still on the smaller end of Dropships.
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Of course though the entire interior is storage whereas the actual ship would have mechbays, vehicle bays, platoon bays, cargo bays and then engineering, bunks, c&c, etc... the Fortress is also supposed to have fairly roomy bunks for a dropship, it's a literal flying castle.
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>>97597253
He should batchall nazi on megamek before Clan /btg/
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>>97597376
Until I decide to paint up a couple Unions and/or a bunch of Confederates, my Flying Circus has to hire a couple unions to get around in addition to the Fortress.
>>97597428
I don't do videogames anymore, haven't for years.
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Something I've wondered about the mercenary trade in this franchise: were there hiring hall worlds before and during the 1st Star League era? I mean, if someone wanted to hire the Illician Lancers around that time, how were the Lancers approached? Same goes for the Greenhaven Gestapo prior to the Amaris Coup that ended the 1st Star League.
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>>97597540
? I figured out what size it needed to be to do it's advertised job.
I had to stop myself from modelling all the actual interior with a crew of 6mm dudes to go with it because that would be insane, and it would be a worse storage container.
It's job is just to keep dust off the mechs.
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>>97597489
Then how did mercenary groups get hired by anyone prior to and during the 1st Star League era? And given the Mercenary Review Board only existing after the 1st Star League's collapse, how was mediation between mercenary unit and client done?
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>>97597559
MW2:Mercenaries and MW3 intros for setting. You're pick of y*tubers for gameplay.
>>97597574
Shoddy mediation, unreliable mercs, and cheap-ass employers are why the Board was organized.
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>>97597574
The board as I understand it was established based on the friction and pain of mercenary units during the previous period; where mercenaries would double-cross or cheat clients and clients would double-cross or cheat mercenaries on a regular basis. An organization that mediated, insured and at times enforced good relations between interested parties was only a natural evolution of a high-risk market.
As for before their establishment, mercenaries negotiated directly with clients over jobs and clients would put out jobs through their own (likely highly variable) channels.
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>>97597574
Direct negotiations. Even with the review boards, mercenaries have agents and lawyers who are publicly available for inquiries from a fixed address. The mercs just need to check in with them every once in a while to see what they've got.
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>>97597559
It's been so long since I introduced anyone to the game that I don't even really know where to start from scratch right now. We've got a pretty good box set compared to most games called A Game of Armored Combat, with enough models in it to do normal sized 2 player games or allow one player to widely customize their force to go up against other people with their own shit. There are youtubers but the only ones I know are kinda memey.
I learned how the game works by playing against myself while emulating the rules examples in one of the old books on a sheet of hex graphing paper and learned the setting by reading a bunch of sourcebooks.
Battletech presents itself more like a historical wargame with an ongoing timeline.
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If we're bringing up real life conflicts here, I must ask: has there been a case (or cases) where mercenary groups recruited a bunch of people from barely developed worlds, gave them a miniscule amount of training to make them into infantry, then tricked them into fighting in an actual war?
I bring up this documentary about how Sudanese men were tricked into fighting in Libya by a United Arab Emirates-based company:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riUiRG5X1hI
Now, has that been the case in BattleTech were mercenaries can and will bolster their numbers by tricking people from barely developed worlds?
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>>97597559
Check the stores in your area and see if there is a playgroup locally. Go and check them out. Talk with them. Watch a game. Maybe one of them might be willing to show you how to play and let you borrow some minis for a game so you can get a feel for it. That's how my group is at least. You can pick up lore and other shit later, and getting your own minis before you've ever experienced the game is silly in my opinion even if they are relatively economical. Find someone in your area that plays. Try playing with them. See if its something you want to do. If there is no one who plays in your area then either play the vidya if you're into that, or try and convince some of your friends to give it a shot with you if you're very determined. If you do that i'd say use proxies and pirated copies of the rules at first just to try things out and then buy in after if you and said friends decide you like it.
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>noseberg melty
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>>97598161
You'll take your damn ROM psyops and you'll LIKE it, heretic barbarian shit monkey!
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>>97598204
I mean, it is. Any variant involving the chain whip is inherently gimmicky.
Even the guy who was doing the updates on all the sidegrade equipment for the play test looked at the Chain Whip and just outright said it sucks.
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>>97598235
It's a cool weapon, it just can't stack up to punches or kicks. Grappling an arm is actually a very powerful effect because it forces the target to not move for at least one turn but the grappler can play with initiative to still be able to move itself even though the grapplee can't, and forcing a PSR at +3 on a leg hit is good too. But the low fixed damage and need to hit twice in a row on a limb to get the extra effects sucks.
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>>97597253
You know what the really ironic thing is? The whole reason Nazi Germany is such an archetypal image of a cruel dictatorship is that they had to relentlessly propagandize, bully and spy on their own people to keep their warmongering and genocide going. Israel, by contrast, is a fairly open and democratic society precisely because the vast majority of the common people are just as hateful and bloodthirsty as the government.
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>If we're bringing up real life conflicts here, I must ask: has there been a case (or cases) where mercenary groups recruited a bunch of people from barely developed worlds, gave them a miniscule amount of training to make them into infantry, then tricked them into fighting in an actual war?
Almost certainly would happened; Shit like the usage of Child Soldiers occurs on dinky modern day Earth and life is Cheap, Battlemechs aren't.
One Anon already mentioned Hungary's Black Army, and one of my own ancestors was rounded up and shipped here to the States to fight in the American Revolutionary war.
The British Empire at the time actually used a lot of "soldiers" who were just dudes they rounded up and shipped out.
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>>97598470
And both of them are right, even though the Germans made the mistake of targeting us first. It's a zero sum world and the only way forward for your race is to systematically exterminate other races. One gene pool will win. We aren't going to let it be an inferior one.
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>>97598470
>the vast majority of the common people
I wouldn't say that. There are super religious dickshits that are every terrible stereotype available and they have an oversized influence on the government. It doesn't help when Hamas does shit like attack a peace rave. If the Palestinians weren't saddled with the same kind of dickshit extremists then things would be easier. But you get Muslim dudes who might be able to live with Israelis getting attacked by "settlers", and Jewish dudes who might be able to live with Palestinians getting attacked in reprisal killings, and it's a cycle of violence that is funded and encouraged by hyper religious shitters all over the world who don't even have to live with the misery they're enabling.
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>>97598470
Lmao, no even close.
You wish it had been a cruel dictatorship, but no the people loved him and the reason he got into power and stayed in power is the same reason the history channel never subtitles hi speeches with a translation, that anyone who hears the things the man had to say is moved to their core with the righteous truth of his message.
Have you ever noticed the way his people treat him in videos of him? They are always cheering, smiling, happy, reaching out trying to make contact with him, and his bodyguards never ever faced the crowd they were only there ceremonially, there was never any fear of anything untoward happening to him by the people, contrast that with any film ever of a US president where the military and secret service members are constantly observing the crowds around them, ill intent is always possible.
National Socialism was never about hating the Other, it was always first and foremost about loving your own, that was it's power and it took the entirety of the first world united to stop and, even then having to stoop to hideous warcrimes like firebombing whole cities with only civilian populations.
You are right that israel is united by common hate, that solidarity of sin is all that ever unites jews and even then left in a vacuum they turn on each other, the jew requires an Other to hate and attack to unite them.
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>hamas
lol, the video of the IDF helicopter gunning down it's own civilians is still out there for anyone to see, the mudshits didn't do shit.
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I used a Battle Cobra for the first time (I don't usually play a Clan force) and thought it was good. Kind of like a Phoenix Hawk in how I ended up using it. What's the best variant?
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>>97596423
The Hegemony. The Terran Corridor was insanely population dense. Meanwhile large swathes of the FedCom are really empty, and that's not including all the worlds that dead systems on account of the Fall of Star League and the Succession Wars.
Comparing the TH at its height to the FedCom is like comparing New York City to New York State, but only half the state and a bunch of towns went missing off the map.
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>>97598637
I was thinking about making whole star of them, with different variants co complement each other. Like prime for sniping, 2x H/C and one or 2 G for heating up enemies.
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That's most expensive one right? Imo Battle Cobra main appeal is that it isnt very expensive clan mech with decent stats so you can star of them and enough points for combined arms.
At least that was my idea behind, I want to field some jetfighters in AS game so having lance for around 165points leaves me with room for other toys.
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>>97595903
They have cool paint schemes and the use of IICs in frontline units makes them distinct on the table as well (and gives you a reason to paint those mechs that other Clans just stick in garrison units).
Plus they're the one Clan that never got into Nicky K's weird furry fetish club, and consider all their castes as being united in shared brotherhood and working for the survival of the Clan, where as most other Clans consist of a bunch of meatheads that bully the other castes into serving them.
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I was thinking of doing this for my defunct corpo security turned mercs with the blue collar workers that got left behind at the facilities with them. I changed my mind though because half ass training people before putting them out to fight sounds like some shit brown people (your example) and russkies would do.
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I tried out Alpha Strike yesterday. Classic is just a better game, full stop, but AS is a lot easier on my casual friends so I may throw in a game here or there so I have something to do with my minis.
One thing I was completely unprepared for was how dangerous fast units could be, since there’s no arm-flipping or torso twist there’s nothing you can do against backstabbers if you’re just too slow. This little menace, the Carrion Crow (run as a B config in-game) scored 3 of my 5 kills and would’ve had a 4th if he shot first in the final phase - the killing blow was picked up by his star-mate in the Dark Crow instead.
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>>97599632
Slightly better pic of the crow in question
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>>97599682
He is very handsome. How do your friends enjoy alpha strike?
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>>97597787
>If we're bringing up real life conflicts here, I must ask: has there been a case (or cases) where mercenary groups recruited a bunch of people from barely developed worlds, gave them a miniscule amount of training to make them into infantry, then tricked them into fighting in an actual war?
History of England in a nutshell.
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>>97599794
I think they like AS more for the same reasons I like it less - abstracted units make everything a little easier to understand at a glance and there’s less to keep track of, but individual mechs feel less unique as a result. Maybe that changes when you start introducing force construction abilities or SPAs or whatever, but we just did basic rules for the first time just to ease into it.
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>>97595824
I have been interested in Battletech for a while and went to get a starter box today but the person at the desk hadn't heard of it and the rest of the store was playing a tournament so I didn't ask around. Is this an indicator that it's not played around me and if so how do I find a group. New to TTGs btw.
Do all shops smell like shit?
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>>97599953
You could be the first.
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>>97600007
I'm just imagining an ejected and captured villainess, herself responsible for genocides, torture, personal slights to high ranking individuals, so on. But she is hot, so can imagine someone wanting revenge of the highest caliber. What could be more insulting and offensive to her than for her hated enemy to rape and impregnate her?
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>It's just one guy samefagging on his laptop and phone because he's really desperate to complain about jews so he has to do both sides and he has to ruin a congolese bat milking forum's thread about a giant robot game to do it
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>>97600234
He can’t afford the aces cards.
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>>97600001
So how do I get games?
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>>97600596
Gotta get really lucky and find a decent group. You might have to ask around on social media or the like.
>>97600641
No. Nobody builds 12+ meter tall hallways inside their ships (even inside dropships to transfer from one mech bay to another) so mechs just can't fit.
Allegedly, some of the smaller protomechs can be used for boarding actions in bigger halls, but I've never actually seen this depicted.
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>>97600596
Check out the local stores and join their discord if they have one to get a better look at how the battletech scene is there, that’s how I found the one in the city near me. I also checked out the facebook of a place much closer to me and just saw they have battletech on wargaming night so I’ll probably pop in to look this week so maybe you could try something similar.
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>>97600641
BT ship interiors aren't remotely large enough for mech combat. The closest you'll get is breaching a hangar bay, in which case you're fighting point-blank inside a garage. The biggest you'll see in ship combat is battle armor, which make excellent naval marines.
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>t.
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>>97600796
>As I don't have any tabletop stuff should I get things for another game, and if so any recs, or just ask to join their group.
Depends on the shop; My FLGS is a general hobby store, so they have things like Models, Trains, and RC stuff.
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Can't be sure Valasek actually raped, and then there is the sadistic fuck that is Redjack Ryan.
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>>97600880
Aces is a single player or coop expansion for the alpha strike version of the game that comes with ai cards. It has not been officially made into classic but I’ve seen people just generally following the intention of the card as well as a more 1:1 styled conversion on the helm memory core discord. If you are interested in playing a single player experience it may be worth looking into.
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>>97600999
This anon >>97601025 beat me to it. Fat old bastard would have definitely stolen some cheeks. https://youtu.be/79yG2VfUnYs
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>>97601003
Thanks I'll have a look at it.
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Checked.
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>Fat old bastard would have definitely stolen some cheeks.
...Is it stealing if was a Batchall?
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The mighty pirate UrbanMech.
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The mighty Urbanmech with correct orientation I hope.
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>>97601268
I don't know, I don't have a regular UrbanMech to compare it to. The scale varies pretty wildly between the Gothic minis though. The King Crab is almost exactly the same size as the regular King Crab, the Phoenix Hawk and Scorpion are very similar to their regular counterparts (the Scorpion just has a much wider stance for whatever reason), the Atlas is only slightly bigger, the Marauder and Rifleman are noticeably bigger, and the Firestarter is huge for some reason.
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>>97601268
Nta
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I don't like Dragon (a mech).
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>>97601361
Cool thank you. It won't be too hard to cut off the spikes I suppose
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>>97601348
Because they're pack hunters.
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>>97601660
Pirates love their spikes though!
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>>97601361
The mechs in Gothic are kinda nice, but don't like the banners and cape
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>https://archive.org/details/rpgdragon-issue-09
Today's special: Japanese RPG magazine scan
>Behold! This is the ruler of the battlefield
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and FemMech
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and the GriffinHawk
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>>97601906
They're not my favorite part, but you could probably chop them off the King Crab pretty easily at least.
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Wish someone could translate it. Wonder if...AI could do it.
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>>97602261
Yep, that's definitely the japtech Griffin. I hope Gears comes back online. I don't want to resort to going on leddit for these images.
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Recommend me some good year 3050 battlemechs to go with my lance. So far I got
>Axman AXM-2N
>Hunchback IIC
>Ostroc OSR-2L
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>>97602515
For a small crowd, sure. A lot of people don't paint at all and a lot of painters don't use decals. I've got one upcoming faction I got decals for because it's called out specifically in their paint scheme description, but the vast majority of my stuff doesn't have any decals.
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>>97602495
Looks cool. I like that it's body kind of resembles a giant spartan helmet with stubby arms and legs.
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I meant 3050s yeah. I should have been more specific.
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>>97602633
>I meant 3050s yeah. I should have been more specific.
kek no worries, I just wasn't sure if you meant pre Clan Invasion or the entire decade, but either way a 7S would make sense, the lance feels pretty FedCom coded overall imo.
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>>97602527
>A lot of people don't paint at all and a lot of painters don't use decals.
I mean sure, but it's still a decent selling point for the larger sculpts that they'd have good areas for sticking decals or doing freehand.
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It is. I'm in a game where my player character is slowly building his own lance by rounding up as many clanners to take as his bondsmen everytime he wins a fight and he recently captured two more bringing the total up to four.
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Is there an in-between dropship between a confederate and union that can carry 8 mechs?
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>>97602895
Very much yes, its one of the most rewarding settings to dive into. However everyone has their preferred stopping point as, with every project that changes writers, not everything works. For some its the comstar civil war, others its the Ilkhan stuff. Personally past the first part of civil war when the Free Worlds league just decided to vote itself out of existence was too stupid for me to put up with.
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>>97602786
none that I know of.
We be pirates that just up and fucked off during the ol Amaris dust up when things were looking bad.
Which side were we on? Dont worry about it lad, here have a cat girl and a catapult.
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>>97602992
quite a lot of the books are available via kindle or as audible audiobooks too. they are effectively the 'highest' / 'hardest' level of canon, as they are in-universe accountings.
all the GAME rulebooks are far less canon, especially since many of them are produced IRL... AS IF they were an in-universe work, and as such, biased potentially in one sides favour. force manuals and shit like that.
the tabletop game itself is heavily an abstraction and as such cannot be considered 'canon' even if you're using every rulebook you can get your hands on and are meticulously re-fighting the battle of tukkayid.
however, parts of many of the books fall right on their fucking face in full retard mode, because authors try and incorporate tabletop gameifications into the 'real' things 'happening' in their book. like 'muh martell medium laser has a 300 m range hurr durr'
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I wonder what user who frequents this general posted this image.
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I feel your pain anon, discoback is best hunchback.
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Is there a render or artwork of it anywhere? Had to look this up and I’m a little intrigued.
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>>97603143
Not that I know of and while I have a few hunch minis I've never seen this one. I've seen 4SPs even.
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You're not wrong.
>>97603237
It's not about being good, but AC5s aren't awful in vidya, if anything pretty darn good. Probably make a nice lance mate who can stand back and throw some damage while taking a hit or two.
As a SEPAer I apologize to all of you for that ground hog dooming us to more snow.
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>>97603197
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>>97603352
>who posted the Jew killer mech?
>the Jew.
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Get melted
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/btg/
>reeee you're a silly poo poo head for liking meta waac fag shit like the hunchback C
also /btg/
>why yes this is my introtech hunchback, OH LOOK ITS A FLASHBULB OF ALL MEDIUM LASERS, I am a brilliant mechgineer! and certainly NOT a waacfaggot at all!
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>>97603492
You asked for it
https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-battlemech-championships-analysi s/
https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-battlemech-championship-light-me chs/
https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-battlemech-championships-medium- mechs/
https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-battletech-championships-heavy-m echs/
https://www.goonhammer.com/goonhammer-battletech-championships-assault -mechs/
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>>97603509
Oh my *god* this is absolutely cancer. I stand by my opinion that tourney-focused players are a blight on every game that they manage to infest.
BattleTech is a quasi-historical campaign game played with a GM, and should never have developed beyond that. Disgusting.
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>>97603492
Max armor jump 10 clan pulse laser boat is a pretty standard answer to "yo how can I make sure nobody ever wants to play with me?"
Honorable mention to the same thing but also like ten basic infantry units to eat up initiative so your important units can always move last, and as many fast hovertanks as you can afford, which do pretty much the same thing in aggregate.
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>>97603484
Why can’t us hunchback fans all get along?
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>>97603550
We can. Just accept that Hunchback Cs can be deployed by any faction in any era, because all that era and intro date fluff is just optional rules and I can take what I want to play. That's all you have to do. Then we can get along.
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>>97603562
Would like to have something similar at some point.
>>97603566
You play how u play anon, I have extinct Urbanmechs in my Hinterlands mercs
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Trebuchet was unexpected but I guess that’s cause it’s a later refit. Honestly some of this stuff is sweaty but then most of it just seems like not all that uncommon mech choices.
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Unironically would be pretty cool as a form of Frankenmech rules. Like, they'd be inherently inferior to an actual, well maintained Battlemech but still have a place in the Periphery and the lesser taken care of areas like the Outback and the rim borders.
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>>97603688
The fact so many of them declared a unique model of an obscure mech from an era most people don't play to be the greatest light mech ever because it can theoretically cause stupid amounts of charge damage and then poured on the hyperbole about how TOs need to ban it is all you really need to understand these guys are just shitting out content to fill space.
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>>97603703
The Periphery nations can manufacture actual battlemechs. "What if mech but deliberately a fucked over piece of shit?" May seem like an interesting thought experiment, but that is the kind of thinking that gave us the Clicky-tech shitbox wars era.
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>>97603703
Wouldn't it just be the upper half of a mech and the lower half of a vee? They'd probably get the sealing and controls of a Mech, but the motive crits and lack of jumping of vees. That alone's enough to make them inferior to Mechs, but still a step up from vees.
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>>97603533
On this specific point, I disagree slightly. Btech is completely unsuited to be played competitively because the rules aren't good enough and it's more fun fucking around, but trying to break the system at all costs is by itself interesting. They're not forcing anyone to play with their sweaty focus, they're simply pushing the balance to the limit.
There's something interesting in that, like race cars or competition handguns.
Also, why the fuck Goonhammer posts pics of male hands with nail polish in their last article, what the fuck
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They can, buy it's never been in great numbers and Battlemechs are in general a lot rarer. I'd imagine it wouldn't be something an actual military power would run through. More likely a militia or even small time pirates in the deeper periphery would run it as more out of just working with what they have. In the same sense as when small time colony worlds will run an indomech instead of an actual Battlemech because it's the only real option for them.
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No, it was just the typical result of a long line dev era of "nothing besides Clantech can be an upgrade everything else is varying levels of holding your nose". This
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would be easy to implement, stat out and would be a decent diversion from the normal gameplay. The LL and RL hit results are considered a single wheeled/tracked chassis instead and rolls again for motive crits like normal. A one-man tank is in no way undesirable and the Hell's Horses were trying their damndest anyway, but not allowed to succeed because of the word of a spiteful god.
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Why can't QuadVees be run by one MechWarrior anyway? Needing a separate pilot and gunner seems unnecessary desu
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>>97597559
Sarna.net is the best way to learn the setting. People will say YouTube but if they aren't reading directly from Sarna they are likely biased as hell and pretend that nothing happened after 3025 or 3067.
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>>97603896
Sarna's a good way to get started on learning about the setting. Sarna does get things wrong or put biased perspectives on things as well, if not words things incomprehensibly to the point of being gibberish on random lore blurbs. The best part about Sarna will always be it's works cited.
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>>97603984
Novels are the highest form of canon outside of direct developer statements. Cope and seethe you shitty trannies. It's true even if you don't like it.
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"Ideal War", the pre-Jihad book about 'Thomas Marik' founding the Knights of the Inner Sphere. One of the first recruits, Paul Masters, heads off to check out the insurrection on Gibson against the FWLM/Word of Blake and finds that the pro-Marik forces are doing pretty much what you say to throw cannon-fodder mercenary infantry (McNamara's draftees) at the 'Gibson Freedom League' (Viet Cong).
I mean, I was kind'a dense about historical parallels when I first read that book, and even then, I thought the VIETNAM IN SPACE analogy the author was using was, uh... well, Garth Marenghi would've approved.
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>>97603792
>getting angry at someone on a myomer weaving board
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>>97603924
I've half a mind to make an account just to clean up the grammer and spelling. I applaud the guy who put the info on Sarna, but a lot of pages need a good proofread.
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>>97604017
unfortunately though, they're STILL the only hard 'canon'. as they are 'in-universe' actual events as they happened.
just because quite a lot of the books are merely meh to poor or outright terrible for genre fiction 'standards' does not, as much as anyone might wish otherwise, contradict their canon status.
this is why gay faggot trannies and child raping paedos like 'bryan young' must not be allowed to write anything for the IP.
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>>97604024
Stop weaving myomer you simpletons!
The 'study' that shows it's more beneficial in linear action glosses over the fact it wears out faster from friction.
Brand name weaved myomer is a scam for stupid people. We have been making out own straight strand packed myomer and have been replacing it less. Stop paying for some Baron's kid new hovercar.
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>>97604151
actually, thanks to competition raceguns, much like racing cars have driven normal car development to the nth degree, normal handguns are approaching quite rediculous accuracy, reliabiliity and recoil control etc.
take the 2011's (and now 2022) now almost everyone is making affordable, to very pricy compacts, to full size combat handgun 1911 style all metals etc, chambered for 9mm, with some having quite astounding capacity, and many models (some even being quite affordable ones) shooting rediculously flat, like a tack driver, with pathetic, tiny amounts of recoil for maximum controllability.
this makes it so anyone who actually uses or trains with their handgun even moderately, can become a far, far more proficient marksman. ambi controls, etc, elongated controls, a variety of 'race' open irons to suit all tastes, handguns are a trillionty googolplexes better than they have ever been
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>>97604183
Exactly. The WAACfag mentality is to remove all possible skill from a skill, and to replace that skill with hyperoptimized individual components which replace the need to actually develop a skill. Therefore creating a meta environment where you either use those components, or auto-lose at any sort of competition.
It's exactly why WAACfaggtory should be met with extremely literal gunfire whenever it rears its disgusting head. The people driven to WAAC behavior ruin everything good about anything they touch.
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As far as i am concerned, both sides are disgusting scum and we should leave them to kill each other.
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>>97603727
>Also, why the fuck Goonhammer posts pics of male hands with nail polish in their last article, what the fuck
Goonhammer started on Something Awful, and that site is absolutely infested with trannies and hardcore leftists nowadays.
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>>97600751
That's oldschool autism.
https://fightingtigersofveda.com/
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Prior to and after 2869, did the Eridani Light Horse also take the risk of having to recruit people that may not have been inclined about the idea of resurrecting Star League like Bronson's Horde (the faction within the ELH that stayed loyal to William Bronson when he declared that the ELH weren't being mercenary enough)?
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>>97603550
Too much arguing over dogma. Everyone claims their Hunchback is God and completely ignoring the Council of Kalidasha that established the holy trinity of Hunch the Big Back, Hunch the Disco Back, and Hunch the Sway Back. 3 aspects of one God.
Clan tech is idolatry and displaces Hunch, resulting in personal emptiness, spiritual separation, and a distorted life.
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>>97603774
>Battlemechs are in general a lot rarer.
I'm not sure about it, 3025 mechs are rare as consequence of succesion wars & 3050 omnimech are more rarer becuase the invasion happened recently, but 3150+ has been good enough to produce more, I mean sure, you can't find mechs under a rock like pokemon, but currently the Inner Sphere knows how to work with clantech even though the plot make some limits for game reasons.
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>sending my players to a planet coming out of a first succession war bioweapon/nuclear fallout quarantine
>they got the Intel ahead of time so they won't encounter other mercenary companies or scavangers
Trying to decide on what they should fight: worm megafauna that survived and evolved underground or AI-driven mechs like the Black Marauder?
Or both?
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>>97605075
Oh a phoneposter, my apologies, you literally are a nigger, you are acting your race.
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Thoughts on combining this for a poor merc outfit as spotters for the fire support lance? The alternative being putting the regular TAG in an apc that can fit them with a squad of infantry. The idea would to have two of them on the field.
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>>97605375
You should both end it.
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>>97605489
Naga?
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>>97605547
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>>97605408
HiScout drones were controlled by their carrier, they were not autonomous.
SDS ships were not too smart by themselves, they ran on an expert system decision tree and SLDF had prepared tactics how to use that decision tree to their advantage.
It was massive planetary defense computers that gave the drones their deadly intelligence. After having their communication jammed SLDF managed to push through them.
So if you can't fit a good enough computer on a warship, there is no chance to fit one on a battlemech.
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>>97605547
>naga means nigger
Are you retarded or something?
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>>97605783
>posts 61 seconds apart
Whew, definitely stepped on a nerve, eh seething samefag?
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>>97605784
It's useful in fast typing in Polish and I usually catch autocorrect mistakes before posting. Didn't expect one mistake will sens some guy into rage and the autocorrect function will send so many people into an emotional turmoil.
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>>97605830
>woosh
of course it doesnt you dumb fucking polack, what bothers me is you, a dumb fucking polack, using my language when youve just admitted you need a computer to intervene merely so you can handle your own.
The fuck are you doing on the english internet when youve got gradeschool level language classes to finish kiddo?
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>>97605852
Ok naga.
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>>97605645
Same, I just wonder if being locked out of woods and buildings is worth the movement bonus. Haven’t played with infantry outside of elementals and regular foot infantry so may just need to try it out and see.
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>>97605941
I can understand how being an ESL that doesn't have a grasp on the language could make this confusing for you, but multiple persons are replying to your idiocy right now.
Unfortunately it seems your polack ass doesn't understand the concept of shame.
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>>97605955
Still speaking better than you but go off anon.
>>97605962
If you say so gay expert anon.
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>>97605963
No anon, only >>97605988 sucks. Because he's gay. It's a joke about him sucking dick.
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>>97606026
Honestly, these nagas just can’t act right.
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Oof, samefagging yourself now?
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>>97606120
I'd make fun of you but I'm tuckered out for now so I'll just leave this here. Bye.
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>>97606351
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>planet nuked and bombed with whatever weaponized virus a few centuries ago
>players arrive to grab whatever is left, perhaps some mechs or a dropship if anything didn't fall apart outside of the blast zones
>encounter some sort of Rimworld republic black project back from Amaris civil war with black mechs with no pilots (the computers inside could take up extra torso space like an XL engine) with the main computer sending out commands
>or there was a megafauna that started eating both sides fighting on the planet and on the way out leaders went "fuck this, it's not worth it" and nuked the planet
Or both, and extend the adventure, give the players more than one objective if they wish to stay and explorer the planet.
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>>97606648
It's not within the strict bounds of canon but i wouldn't let that stop you. Though, drone pilots have pilot skill 8 I believe. Which makes drone tanks more practical than drone mechs.
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>>97604094
>I laugh in farmer with a rifle
>>97604103
>you fool! john deere's lawyers have 'errata'd that rule out of existence!
>NOTHING CAN STOP THE JOHN DEERESQUISITION!
DAMN YOU DEEREQUISITION!!!
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>The WAACfag mentality is to remove all possible skill from a skill, and to replace that skill with hyperoptimized individual components which replace the need to actually develop a skill.
So, Clanners are WAACfags?
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>>97606674
That works out since they've been fighting skilled pilots with good skills and their tonnage last adventure so I was thinking about making the drones ok shots and bad pilots but give them higher tonnage than the players already. Some sort of prototype tech that never worked the kinks out because the planet had to be abaddoned during the Amaris civil war and then "woken up" by fighting during the first succession war - the computer just thinks it's more combat excercises or something when it spots new mechs.
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>>97606677
My naga-- just balance by BV and if some clan player tells you not to, don't play with them. I still don't get how some of you nagas get all up in arms over stuff that came out before you were born.
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>>97606778
I'd make them drone tanks then, since pilot skill 8 mechs will just spend the game on their backs.
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>>97606807
Maybe as support, because massed heavy mechs that keep falling over could be scary. Like sure, they're trash, but if you have like ten PPCs coming just at bad or impossible modifiers it feels like something dangerous. Plus extra mech salvage motivates them, they've ignoring armor up to this point (they might start caring since I'm upgrading them to Union at the end of this adventure so they'll have space for them).
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Or they could start the battle with lowest possible stats and then improve one of them by one every turn depending on what roll they made that turn.
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>>97606778
What about quad mechs? As long as they have all their legs they can stand up without a psr. So 8 pilotting doesn't immediately disable them. Does mean that you can effectively take them out by shooting off any limb though.
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>>97606864
I try to use my own painted minis as enemies and I don't have any quads yet or too many vehicles so I'm limited on that. I could get some printed like I got the mechs they wanted for their PCs but don't think it's worth doing it for just one adventure, at least not until they go through all my mechs. Working with what I got for now.
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>>97603727
>Also, why the fuck Goonhammer posts pics of male hands with nail polish in their last article, what the fuck
I am not sure why this comes as a surprise to anybody. Someone claims to be a woman in this hobby I’d assume it’s a troon until proven otherwise and probably be right 9 out of 10 times.
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>>97607366
I don't think there's a single bad variant of this thing in existence. Even the succession wars version makes up for the loss of the FF and NARC with the glory of probably being the lightest frame to mount triple SRM-6's. Even the Wobbie/Comstar versions not too bad (and really was just meant as a testbed for the iNarc and iC3)
Imagine this thing running around with Dead-Fires... or Tandem Charge Ammo.
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>>97607366
>Always associated with Dracs
>Most known pilots are Dracs
>Checks sarna
>Only factory is right on edge of Drac border
>Owned and used by Feds
>check references
>Fedsuns factory retconned in by TRO:3039 in 2009
Why is CGL like this?
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>>97608092
I know that traditionally 10,000 is used as the equivalent of "big number that might as well be infinite." Saying 10,000,000 is probably just the same thing in this case, meaning idiomatically "to all the mechtuners."
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>>97608014
They did, it was a star league mech first, the introtech factory was a rebuild after all the original factories went kaput. Rosebud is the biggest source of Kintaros in the Inner Sphere.>>97608059
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>>97607974
Because they don't have the guts to remove the 3025R/3039 retcons like they should. Instead, they keep fucking up the timeline more with more weapon date rollbacks, new common variants and production retcons for something that hasn't been living timeline since 1989.
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>Sarah Weaver led the Mistweavers through the swamps at Tukayyid but was killed on the third day of fighting when her Warhawk took an artillery hit through the rear torso and lost containment on its fusion engine.
Engine critical kills people? Did she use Stackpole optional rule or something?
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>>97609050
It didn't say it exploded; just that it lost containment. Consider the following: The Warhawk Prime at the very least does not have anything explosive in the CT. It doesn't have ANYTHING in the CT in fact, and its LRM ammo is out in the arm. Further than that, if we step away from the rules and look to the designs, the Warhawk is like a box of metal with a cockpit glued smack in the front: If a pilot is to take a fatal hit from behind, it's going to have to be big and go through virtually every component there is in the mech. Narratively speaking it's more interesting to define CT destruction and pilot death as a singular catastrophic event, so having an artillery shell hit the back of the Warhawk, split the XL like an eggshell and vent plasma and molten metal into the cockpit from behind is a much more metal story than just a golden bb.
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They may put minis on a hex map and roll dice, but I would argue that sweatlord tourney WAAC chasing is not playing. It's a crude simulacrum of the act.
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Finally worked out exactly what mech variants I want to bring in my WoB-only Mech design for the 52nd. The only machine that isn't a WoB design is the Grim Reaper, which is piloted by Precentor Avitue from the Opacus Venatori.
Decent amount of speed, some IF, good damage at various ranges. It'll work nicely.
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>>97610040
Why do you continue to think anyone on this board actually gives the slightest fuck? You keep posting genuinely, like images of your games and shit, with actual interest in the game/setting as if you're unaware of that fact that is a board meant for only shitposting and arguing.
No one gives a shit, post stupid memes, start an argument or fuck off.
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Last weekend I started narrating a microcampaign for my group. I was tired and could've done better, my friends complained that hovertanks running back and forth to generate TMM was not very narrative and they're probably right.
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>Post mechs.
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Super-heavy vehicles! Something I love in sci-fi. I'm not talking big tanks, I'm talking vehicles that are far too large to ever actually exist, never mind move. It's something I've loved since I was young and any setting that has a titanic vehicle trundling along on treads or wheels the size of houses will immediately have my attention and love.
Some examples of what I'm talking about are the vast moving Predator Cities from Mortal Engines, or the Carriers from Deserts of Kharak (which I've recently finished again following my playthrough of the Homeworld series), in fact below you can see an image of one of these carriers so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about.
I was hoping that Battletech would have something like these colossal machines, but sadly it did not, or so I thought! After some digging though various Sourcebooks and Technical Readouts, I found a few things that somewhat fit this idea.
Now, I wasn't expecting to find something like the Kharak carrier in Battletech, I hoped I would but considering the carrier is 568 meters long and home to a crew of over 1850, I am not very surprised to find this sort of vehicle missing from the Battletech universe.
It is the sort of thing I'd love to see, however. A massive, tracked behemoth rolling across a world, filled with soldiers clad in Battle Armour, 'mechs and vehicles waiting to be sent into the fray. It would also have the facilities to repair/maintain the 'mechs aboard and house the crew. I think it's the sort of thing I'd love to include in an RPG campaign at some point and may make up something next time I play the RPG.
I found some massive vehicles though that can somewhat scratch my itch for impossibly huge war machines! None of these even come close to the Kharak carrier, and they certainly are tiny compared to the Predator Cities of Mortal Engines, but they are still awesome and huge, which is all that matters
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First, brought to us by the brave scum of the Federated Sun in the 3100s, is the Destrier. This is, put simply, a stupidly huge tank. Weighing in at 200 tons, equipped with 2 Long Tom cannons, 2 ER medium lasers, 6 light machine guns and 4 anti-missile systems, it is undeniably a powerful war machine. It is quite slow however, since it moves at a mere 32km per hour, but it's mostly used for defence so this doesn't matter much. It saw use all the way up to the 3140s against the Draconis Combine during invasions and is most likely still in use.
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Second is the Rattler. These huge moving fortresses were used by both the SLDF and the Word of Blake centuries later, who also upgraded them with better weapons. At 90 meters long and over 40 meters high with a crew of 370, and with treads larger than an assault 'Mech, it is by far the largest vehicle I was able to find. This thing is overflowing with weapons (for example it has 14 Streak SRM 6s and 10 Large Pulse Lasers, plus far, faaar more), as if its insane firepower was not enough, it is also capable of transporting 4 VTOLs and 2 companies of jump infantry! Sadly only a handful of these were ever built so they aren't common. During the final battle for Terra at the end of the Jihad, the Word of Blake made use of these. with no less than 4 being deployed around Hilton Head.
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Finally, we have the Teppō support vehicle created in the 3080s by the Draconis Combine. Surprisingly, this actually works in a similar way to the carriers from Deserts of Kharak which is pretty cool imo!
The Teppō was designed to serve as the mobile artillery for a regiment while also fulfilling the regiment's command and repair needs all at once. It does this via a pair of trailers which provide the Teppō with the repair capability to maintain and repair a regiment's BattleMechs and vehicles in the field. An infantry compartment allows for the transportation of both Battle Armour and standard infantry. While it doesn't have as many weapons as the previous vehicles mentioned, it still has enough to defend itself and the Sniper Artillery Piece mounted atop it can be used to devastating effect.
So, in short, the Teppō is exactly what I am looking for and I love it! Even if it's not as titanic as I would have liked.
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>in fact below you can see an image of one of these carriers so you can get an idea of what I'm talking about.
forgot first pic lol
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Most ultraheavy vehicles are reserved for the sea. There's such a thing as Atlantis Class arcology cities that used to float around some Terran Hegemony worlds.
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>A massive, tracked behemoth rolling across a world, filled with soldiers clad in Battle Armour, 'mechs and vehicles waiting to be sent into the fray. It would also have the facilities to repair/maintain the 'mechs aboard and house the crew.
Would be kino af and I would buy/play the shit out of it.
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I'm kind of worried about the schizo tangent good old Gambargin went on lately. But if drawing anime Wh40k, skaven and mechas make her happy, more power to her
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You. I like you, despite you liking DoK.
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Will likely repost again when the bases are finished, but here is a grasshopper I worked on this weekend. (5th Crucis Lancers)
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>>97611354
That's Contrarian-Anon. A dedicated shitposter and troll whose stated goal is the death of /btg/ and to stop any possibility of actual on-topic posting or discussion.
No matter what is posted, shitfaggotcunt will reply in the extreme negative like you personally raped his whole family to death... and the little dog too.
You aren't allowed to like things here.
I think it must be an assmad psycho commie beemer from the OF.
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There are models, look at bottom-right corner of the shelf.
That's a mapscale resize of a mechscale multipart kit.
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Had to resize it myself to fit the 7 hex footprint the record sheet calls for, kit is pay-for STL only though someone on the telegram channel may DM you it if you ask for it.
Free lower quality mapscale on cults though.
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If you want to see It go nuclear, just make a post about a mech you like. Like
>i love the battlemaster
Or
>King crab supremacy, what's better than an ac20? Two ac20!
And watch shitfuck respond with something retarded that has no bearing just to say something negative. Like
>get fucked we're playing with mediums and under only so you can't have your assault mech you waac faggot reeeeeeeeee!
They will then insist YOU are the one who decided you can bring an assault into a mediums and under game. That you never agreed to, that you're not playing. Forever.
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nta nta
But allow me to slide on in here and say that I do love the King Crab and believe in total King Crab supremacy!
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Playing through the Deus Ex games in lethal manner, with no stealth upgrades and max combat upgrades (+ a full melee build in Deus Ex 1 and Indivisible War) makes me a BT game where you play a cyborged-to-fuck Manei Domini tearing the shit out of Clanners and Frails.
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A Jihad campaign on the wrong side would be interesting: after all, you fight everyone, you're crazy outnumbered (making the insane amount of Mechs you down "realistic") and you steadily lose ground against an even bigger coalition of whatevers. You could even do the old TIE Fighter thing that you can choose to support secret missions and the like, maybe getting into the Master's good graces.
We'll never get a Jihad game though, and for sure not one on the wrong side.
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Clanner filth and wobbietards are clearly wrong side. You moral relativist 'everything is subjective' fucking communist revisionist.
Hey, Loren "Porchbux McGee" Coleman, you can stop sucking CCP, I mean "cappellan' cock any time. You demented fruit.
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>>97613068
My dude, Mechassault barely had more than 12 mechs in it. Those first gen XBOX limitations were real. How the hell that console managed to make Halo 2 run was a miracle. Turns out you lose a lot of processing power if you shape your console like a giant X apparently. Who knew?