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/hhg/ & /atg/ – Horus Heresy General & Adeptus Titanicus General 02/21/26(Sat)03:50:48 No.97592952
/hhg/ & /atg/ – Horus Heresy General & Adeptus Titanicus General Anonymous 02/21/26(Sat)03:50:48 No.97592952 [Reply]▶
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Emergency Escape edition
>Previous Heresy:
>>97574802
>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:
https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N
>Titanicus Compendiums
https://gofile.io/d/qdYzem
>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus- heresy/
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horu s-heresy/
>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)
https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS
>30k TACTICA & TIPS
https://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Ta ctics/General_Tactics
『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』
>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis /
>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colours
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2 pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview
>More lists
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions
>What size magnets do I need?
5x1mm
>Tactics
https://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics
>Legions Imperialis Army Builder
https://legionbuilder.app/
>Thread question:
What's your favorite example of Legions using tactics that aren't their specialty/gimmick?
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Gentlemen, does anyone have high quality scans of the Liber Astartes or Heretics? I want to have the heraldry sections for the Dark Angels and Emperor's Children. I found the Liber Astartes in French but I can't translate the page or edit it.
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Forgot to add image lol
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>>97592952
Siege of Cthonia when Raven Guard deliverers pretended to be Justerian so they could waltz into the traitors' territory and sabotage a couple of titan repair cradles specifically to piss off the Alpha Legion.
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Also, second best moment from Siege of Cthonia, though hardly unusual.
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>>97593065
Due to limitations in two-piece injection mould technology, the studs at the edge have to have their backs filled, resulting in smeared studs. Cutting the pads into two halves enabled you to reposition the pieces to remove this effect. Or invest in a mould that comes with multiple parts (like the baneblade kit), but that'd be even more expensive.
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>>97593165
Supremely mogged by brutal grille helmets I'm afraid.
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>>97593657
If only someone would do a faithful recreation of the 2e Mars pattern bolter for modern marines. I love that dumb thing, but all the bolters got something funky going on with them. The new SoB bolters would be the closest, but they had to go and add a front grip to them, plus some of them have pieces missing to make them fit the bodies.
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>>97593024
This what you're looking for?
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I guess this means the horned skull was the emblem of the librarians back in 30k.
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4u
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I'm having a time understanding some small details about HH as a setting. If it's Traitors against Loyalists, and Chaos was quite heavily a thing already, what's the problem with using CSM bits in your miniatures? Too easy and obvious, or am I missing something?
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>>97593797
Elitist hobbylet paypigs will scream at you for not buying overpriced gw crap made SPECIFICALLY for THIS game and not the other one because buying THIS one means shareholders are more than happy to milk it to death.
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>>97593797
Traitors didn't spend 10.000 years in the warp getting mutated and the vast majority of them don't even worship chaos or even know of its existance. 30k traitors when they are not wearing basic pa they have their own legion specific version of things like helmets or torsos which look different when compared to their 40k versions. Some of the 40k have mk7 which is a huge no. Also csm just look like shit but that's subjective.
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>>97593812
Depends on the legion. TS aesthetics just got more elaborate over the years but you can absolutely use 40k aspiring sorcerers as psykers in 30k.
Same with WB. 40k legionnaires make acceptable WB Vets since they were drinking chaos koolaid on Calth.
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>>97593829
That's because 40k TS were made exactly to be mixed with the 30k mk4 plastic kit for 30k which is an exception that I forgot to mention but generic csm for WB is a bit pushing it because the legion specific stuff doesn't have that look. Like I could see their helmets as an artificer armour one but the legion specific helmets that we got were pretty tame compared to the 40k ones. The trim also only appears on the nu-resin praetors so far.
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What the fuck is wrong with these people?
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>>97593024
GW also released the Black Book excerpt on the Dark Angels, the previous week, if it helps:
https://assets.warhammer-community.com/12-02_thehorusheresy_black_book _extract_dark_angels-d7xbv9991j-3tk sb0coey.pdf
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>>97594053
It truly is. I wonder which extract will they put out next?
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5th Despoiler done, 5 to go
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>>97593121
>Or invest in a mould that comes with multiple parts (like the baneblade kit)
proofs of this mold? I don't doubt its existence but usage by GW and your sauce on it.
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>>97594172
If you've ever built the kit, you'll notice the sponson sprue is missing a piece of the sprue around the sponson gun muzzles. And that all the guns have "drilled" barrels without being in multiple parts or anything.
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>>97594195
according to instructions it truly does appear that sponson bits are "pre drilled". fascinating, thanks!I hope recasters have it the same...
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>>97593797
>what's the problem with using CSM bits in your miniatures
Legion depending there really isn't an issue with it, though you wouldn't see too many "demonified" models outside of the WB
DG had full on 40k era plague marines from the second mortarion fell, WE were always buttfuck retarded murderhobos, EC were always tights wearing faggots, and thousand sons were always wannabe Egyptians covered in filigree
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well you say that but that's how heraldry works
in general your heraldry inherits from the body or individual that grants you the right to even have heraldry, so while you can sometimes select from a choice of heraldic devices that all represent them, you can't really make stuff up from nothing, so this guy can't just paint sonic the hedgehog on his knee because it's not part of the scheme; maybe if he was somebody important he'd get away with it, but it's unusual unless, in this example, he'd personally killed sonic the hedgehog
but the detail of how you interpret heraldry to be unique is what matters; so the number and order (black-white-black or white-black-white) matters even for checkers and for marines it appears to matter where on the armour they're located, the colours matter (one guy below him has red and white checkers; the other tactical marine has the same marking on his right leg, but in white instead of red), and the more senior figures have more complex heraldry as a result (the blue/yellow knee on the right guy, the blue/red shield on the terminator)
in heraldic terms all of this matters and ultimately is just some individual's tedious personal backstory, but the broad strokes stay the same both for ally recognition on the battlefield and for ease of understanding, so if you know the lineage's general history you don't have to sit and listen to it from everyone who bears some of that heraldic tradition
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There was an anon earlier this week asking who it was that lead the battalions and/or platoons in "standard" legion layouts, and the answer is centurions and optae respectively. The designations of Praetor, Centurion, and Optae are actually just catch-all terms used to describe individuals of note
>Praetors
"In their ranks can be
found chapter masters
and lord commanders,
first captains, khans and
tribunes"
>Centurions
"The centurion represents such leaders, champions, and line officers..."
"...Whether a company captain in charge of a thousand legionaries, or a field lieutenant in charge of a boarding party"
>Optae
"Optae had a number
of different titles among the
varied Legiones Astartes,
from Adjutant to Lieutenant
to Dominar"
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>>97594748
Relevant fluff blurbs (because I'm retarded and forgot to attach them in the OP)
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>>97594763
Platoons: Optae
Company: Centurion
Battalion: "Commander", whoever that guy is :O!
Chapter: Praetor
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Dark Mech Stalker Tanks for 30k when?
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>>97595487
It'd be for my Xana army so having a few creepy spider bots would just be really neat.
Though mech is already an unpopular army and I imagine dark mech is even more niche so dedicating a plastic release to it would be kinda strange.
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Plastic Decimators? yes/no?
Marines could use it too, everybody wins.
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>>97596102
Same reason we don't have Bjorn and all the other characters people wanted.
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>>97595585
Just bring it all over to plastic. Resin is an inferior material at this point, plastic beats it on every level with modern tech.
Now gimme a plastic Mhara Gal.
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what are you painting today anons ?
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I have Imperial Fists and World Eaters armies, but I haven't played 3rd Edition yet. How do they fare in terms of the meta nowadays? I'm guessing that they nerfed IF because they could be abused pretty badly in 2nd.
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How do DG players cope knowing they become poop marines later on?
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>>97596510
That's my secret, cap, I was always poopy.
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i'm almost done, gotta add lens and some more varnish
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and found unboxing. magnificent.
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Raven Guard players, can you sell me on playing the legion in 30k? Do they actually do the stealthy shtick here? I'm torn between the marine starter box with beakies or getting a few mkIV boxes and going with Word Bearers.
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Agreed.
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You're beautiful, anon. Thank you.
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alcohol dunks and tooth brushes an't shit against these old ass 3rd edition marines I got second hand and am trying to strip and build up for 30k. Holy shit this ancient paint won't fuck off. I'm straight up thinking about buying one of those sonic cleaner baths now.
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Thank you anon.
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I didn't realise until after I cut them off the sprue but legions imp tactical marines have a lot of idk the word but the projections of extra structural plastic that makes the mini more robust i.e connecting the inside of the bolter arm to the chest.
How do I paint that? most of it isn't that bad but the little decurion due has some at the top of his head supporting the crest. it if I painted it all in the crest colour that nigga would look like he's wearing a striped slouch hat.
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alcohol is not that great at removing paint. Biostrip 20 is genuinely the best paint stripper I've found.
I've not tried it on enamel tho. The last time I had to remove enamel on a metal mini it took hours of scrubbing and several baths in solvents like white spirit, turps and acetone (don't use those they will melt your plastic shit up). Generally that's why I hold that anyone who uses humbrol paint on plastic minis should be shot.
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Lovely Xiphon anon, may your air reserve rolls come in every turn for your efforts.
I just got oils done on these, will base them up and call it a day till the event next weekend. Will try and get some actual lightbox pics done later on.
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>>97599024
FIND OUT WHAT THE SALAMANDERS WERE DOING DURING THE HORUS HERESY
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I just kitbashed two decimator stand ins out of hellbrute and forgefiend parts. Although I have a question for the Mech bros, where do we get cheap tech priests. My list has 1 archmagos, kitbashed already, needs 2 more Magos and 4 total more tech priests.
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Everything you've heard is "not possible" is in fact possible. It is in fact not too expensive, but it is not what the company sees as "worth the investment".
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How long do JUSTaerin have before they get remade into the new shitty upscaled ones?
Also how do you make two Cataphractii kits and not have the iconic lightning claws in either of them?
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Yeah. Feels like an overshrimplification; now they don't have to get closer to unlock full shots...
...then again, full shots are more needed than ever now with all those 2w vets and t5 termies. Eh, maybe it's not that bad?
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Sunday Funday!
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Desu, I want both. A myrmidax lord leading the hymn of destruction as his 5 man retinue and cohort of 20 hastarii tear apart the foolish 10 WS5 terminators in a hail of Las and neutron fire, a funeral dirge to the machine god...
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>>97600449
I don't care for the Hastarii with their skinny bodies and big shoulder pads.
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The Pilgryms look kind of like backported versions of the Station Forge Wayfarers, which were proxies for the Sydonian Skatros.
I know there's only so many ways to do augmented legs but I thought it looked familiar.
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>>97600728
Take the torso armour away and it's not much different from skitarii.
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>>97600847
There's a lot that's different but the main problem is that it clearly resembles a Skitarii at Space Marine proportions, so there's a bunch of weird shit going on. Why does he have baggy short sleeve robes? Why does the posture appear to be permanently hunched over? Did they literally scale up the gorget in CAD?
It's an adaptation of a Skitarii that needed to cook a little longer, while >>97600414 is its own thing and just doesn't give a fuck, and looks 100x better for it.
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>>97600945
>is its own thing and just doesn't give a fuck
I just realized why that's so much better, Admech has all these canon (in universe) designs and resists heretek, right? Logically, they shouldn't be altering designs, so it looks weird to have modified variants of specific types of armor. Meanwhile, they clearly have no compunction about slapping together different types of tech (see: any tech priest ever) so the Myrmidon Destructors being super riced up tech priests looks more Admech.
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Dark Furies are up there with the best melee units in the game right now, they will almost never fail a charge, they have 5A each and autowound at AP2 with you selecting the target of the Wounds 1/6; their first-turn move (including a set up) is a minimum of 19" so you can set them up far enough away that they won't lose much if anything to shooting, then charge and kill something valuable
put a Praetor or Champion in there with twin talons and you can be making 7A at WS6 with the Decapitation Strike Gambit; the Champion can have Paragon of Battle and hit at WS7, 7 times, and simple eviscerate Line units off objectives single-handed
"bad at melee"
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Thanks all, these are plastic and have been soaking in 90% alcohol for an hour then hit with a toothbrush. The set of legs is on its third dunk and also had some cut away with a knife due to thickness. No clue what they were primed in before. The red one which I'm assume was a word bearer at some point is the most stubborn. I'm willing to bet this paint has been on since probably the early 2000s.
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Alright, Intercessors have Fury of the Legion wooho-
Wait, 4 shots? That's a bit much. Though we got things wrong. It's no longer 30", and they don't have Rapid Fire either which was the main point of this. It's just 2 shots across the full range too.
>Heavy makes them hit on 2s if they stand still
>Siege detachment gives them +1 to wound stuff, meaning 3+ on most infantry
Wew. I guess it is balanced if everything's OP? Lmao
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>it's op because the numbers are good
come on man, you're why we have tacticals that do fuck all even though they shoot 60 shots.
not to mention it's even a different game system entirely
get this: intercessor's aren't OP. they aren't even good.
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I suppose it's not actually OverPowered if I just said it was balanced with the other powerful units in the rest of 40k, but hitting on 2s and wounding on 3s (at AP-1) sounds good. Like, I remember when troops were tax people tried to avoid, and that's gone now.
I don't know 40k, but I wouldn't avoid intercessors. They seem actually good to me.
>we have tacticals that do fuck all even though they shoot 60 shots.
Aww I really hoped that meant they were okay too. I did not agree with 2.0's [Stubborn & FnP6] HotL; I think Line 2 was a good move? I hope it was ...
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>>97599939
Isn't this a bit much? I know GW is a greedy bastard, but at what point is the price of plastic considered unreasonable?
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>>97603230
when people stop buying it
besides, even food and other necessities is getting price gouged to fuck nowadays
>>97600414
I think I still like the older sculpts better, but I've also been feeling less good about a bunch of the modern Heresy paintjobs so I'll probably like it more once I assemble them myself and paint it my way
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>>97603263
I think the old and new sculpts will mix quite well if the new style shoulderpads get switched to match the older ones.
I want to see what the plastic Secutors look like, it'll be interesting to find out if they're a basic "alt loadout" type kit or if they go all-in and make a different body.
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Any examples of breachers being used in legions aside from IF/IW? I guess UM suzerain also use boarding shields, but I don't actually know many cases where different legions have used them.
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Line(2) is good from a purely abstract mechanical perspective. One could even say it's OP.
The problem is it's extremely boring from a "I'm playing to recreate battles in an interesting setting and not perform a boardgame puzzle exercise of maximizing Points"
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>>97603414
Sure, plenty of melee legions have examples of despoilers.
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>>97603356
World Eaters Triarii fought as breacher phalanxes, as seen on Gehenna.
At one point in time there were only 300 Emperor's Children, like the 300 Spartans, who also fought in shield-wall phalanxes.
The Iron Hands field Immortals, who fight as breacher-like teams. So do Sons of Horus Chieftain squads.
>>97603414
Hella. The IW protagonist friend of Argonis in Slaves to Darkness fights in a trench with bolt pistol and chainsword for a scene. Despoilers were actually used a lot by basically every legion.
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No, it was a fringe headcanon from like 20 years ago based on a schizo interpretation of "Death to The False Emperor" not referring to Emprah being le bad but that it was Horus on the throne and the CSM were butthurt about this for reasons. TEaTD dredged up some old speculation as people really thought there would be all sorts of shocking twists like Sanguinus killing The Emperor, and the r-introduction of things like The Star Child didn't help.
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>>97603512
Despoilers werent a distinct unit until 2.0, in 1.0 they were effectively a variant loadout of tactical marines.
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Super herald is coming, just need to flip through my bits box for some accessories, a proper mkIII helmet, and a vexilla.
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All legions used all units pretty much.
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What model are you proudest of anons? Mine is my House Devine Seneschal, he's the old resin Castigator and gets little upgrades occasionally.
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>>97603356
I mean, if you count immortals as breachers then definitely the IH. They're used quite extensively for both frontline duty and boarding actions IIRC
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The way that knee bends disturbs me by imagining how it would walk forward
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>>97604065
Although I should add your model looks good.
I like the sonic shriekers you gave him. And the flag under the bolt cannon is great.
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>>97604065
I must have misunderstood you anon, it seems as if you called House Devine, one of the largest and most prolific houses to align with the Warmaster, who are the villains in the best AT campaign book, who have a pedigree dating back to the original Epic when they were creepy Slaanesi horrors, who give us a glimpse of good intra house politics in both the Devine Adoratrice and Vengeful Spirit, literal whos?
Surely I just didn't understand what you meant and you didn't embarrass yourself?
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>>97604083
If it's not in the black books I don't care.
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>>97604076
I was going for inhuman, so I'm glad it has the desired effect
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Thanks anon. Sorry I just went on a big autistic rant at you
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The whole point is sword and pistol marines. If people had the option of course they'd always replace the useless pistol with a shield but then what would be the point?
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They also use the shields in the scene where kharn tries to steady his men and have them hold position instead of charging a 13th legion shield wall only to fail when the nails make them all charge.
I only remember because I was skimming the book looking for descriptions of Kharn's helmet crest which it turns out is white so the crests for my little world eaters in my mind will be
>White for captains of great company rank and senior legion officers
>Red for company centurions
>provisionally white and red stripes for the legate of a cohort/battlegroup (I'd prefer something more striking)
>blue for decurions
>simple undyed horsehair veteran sgts and whatever kind of sub-decurion leads a company support element.
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Leave them to soak overnight. denatured alcohol is the THIN WRISTED femboy of solvents but the reason its the first thing people recommend is because you don't have to worry about it damaging the plastic. I wouldn't use a knife, get a toothpick or some similar small pointy object made of wood or plastic to remove paint from crevices. Also consider a nylon nailbrush the bristles are stiffer and won't bend like a toothbrush allowing for more aggressive scrubbing.
I stand by biostrip 20 but its pricey so I understand not getting it.
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I have a question. I build 8 veteran breachers, gave them 2 axes, 3 maces and then I took 2 lascutters and sgt with twin claws. I shouldn't build units, because of YT video hype , in the future. But right now the dudes are build and painted. Now am I reading it wrong that a sgt in the veteran breacher squad can only have 1 claw (just like regular dudes in the unit) and to have 2 lascutters I need to have full 2x5 dudes?
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Is there an army in Warhammer with this kind of a big guy/asian samurai feel to it?
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>>97604274
Veteran breacher sergeant can't have twin claws, correct.
Veteran breachers can however have 2 lascutters per 5 models in the unit.
>Build because of YT video
Never, and I mean NEVER, trust warhammer YT videos. There's always some huge rules mistakes in them. Always check the rules yourself.
Veteran breacher rules are in the free legacies rules PDF, so there's no excuse not to have read it yourself.
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>>97604298
yeah. First squad I build. Do you think I could run them as pretorian command squad. Their sgt can have twin claws, I am just not sure how different in size are combat shields and breacher ones. But then again I would be left with two dudes with lascutters, as I think only breachers and veteran breachers can have them, Guess I need to buy another box to build the unit lol. When I think how much I had to pay for a set of two claws for each hand. May as well have bought a regular pretor/centurion to be a sgt. Costly, but needed lesson I guess.
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>>97604298
Wait there are free rules for Warhammer? I thought you needed to buy those big expensive books to play. I kind of a postponed buying those, with the idea (wrong it seems) to buy them after I finsh building my army.
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>>97604309
Maybe just replace the sergeant model? If you're also going to build a despoiler squad for example use the twin claw sergeant for that, and build a new veteran breacher sergeant.
>>97604315
HH has quite some free rules, check the warhammer community site's downloads tab. The core rules aren't free however, but if you ask nicely the anons of /hhg/ will usually hook you up with scans of the rulebooks.
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>>97604315
Why the fuck would you buy the most expensive part of the hobby (The models) before you had the rules on hand so you might know what you are doing? Are you genuinely retarded?
Decide your army. Get the rule books, learn what you are doing. Design a list, get models to fulfill that list.
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>>97604325
Thanks that is good to know. Again another thing learned.
>>97604325
I have not thought about a despoiler squad. I guess I could buy chainswords from somewhere and have a unit of 10. This would leave with me troop section completed with two tacticals and despoiler squad. Guess I wanted a melee elite squad too much. I don't want to entice people to break the law. I had an older cousin who downloaded like 100 books for his masters (didn't want to buy them and we live in a rural area far away from big libraries), and they went after his ass for using telegram etc Police, relegation from school, had to do his masters in another country. And he could do that only because both of our uncles is a Vice Dean at a university in France. And our uncle had to translate his paper from russian in to french. I want to keep my head down, and not make too much trouble for others.
>>97604327
You are right that I was wrong. I guess it is because it is not me buying the stuff. Just every month, if I do good, I get a box of models. I don't think I am retarded, if I was I wouldn't have to worry about potential draft. I do agree with you that building the unit based on a YT was not a smart thing to do.
Right now I have 20 tacticals, 5 seekers, 5 recon marines, 10 tactical support guys with rocket launchers, 10 tactical support guys with heavy bolters, 2 centurions in cataphract armour, 1 apothecary and Champion/3ed centurion in power armour. Plus the bad build squad, this is as far as build and painted stuff goes. And then I have an unassembled leviathan (scared to try to build him without destroying the model with plastic glue), 12 catphract terminators. 6 with fists, 6 with maces.
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Is it possible to assemble the Dreadclaw with the drop pod's engine assembly up top (provided you cut the cables running from the claws so the engine)? I feel like having a fully plastic assembly up top would help to secure the parts together better than resin on plastic, but I don't know if the resin piece that replaces the drop pod's plastic top affects the way the doors and wings come together at the bottom to interface with the new bottom.
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I was told why it was okay for Despoilers to lose Spite of the Legion while Tacticals kept Fury in an edition where they also got full shots at long range and Line 2. But I forgot why that was.
>>97604110
I think Despoilers should get access to heavier options than Assault marines.
>>97604120
Not necessarily. You could have only a few.
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>>97604653
They don't really need it. Despoilers charging out of a Rhino will beat tacticals in close combat 9.7 times out of 10, sending the tacticals running and securing the point they stood on. Don't really need to invest heavily into power weapons to do so, a pair of lighning claws on the sergeant already provides 4 attacks with AP 3.
Despoilers being able to get 3 attacks also would put them on par with elite units like veterans, which is a bit weird.
Despoilers also have Line 2 which almost nobody seems to know for some weird reason. Most games I've had to show the unit entry to my opponent because they were utterly convinced my despoilers only could have line 1 or vanguard 1 for some reason.
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Oh look, 40k got its own Cerastus knights now.
Who's taking bets the HH cerastus will become HH exclusive with the launch of 40k's next edition, lol
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>>97604937
I mean I like the model, looks cool, but God is it painfully obvious that they're chomping at the bit to remove rules for the cerastus chassis in 40k lol. Let me guess, when they get they're 11th edition rules there'll be another sprue in the kit with a grav cannon and lascutter and big flamer and thunderstruck gauntlet.
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>>97604937
What's even the purpose of this, other than giving Admech a separate Knight kit that cannot be proxied with any of the existing kits?
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>>97604937
>old thing good
>new thing bad
it's half the mass of the Cerastus so either half the price point or doubled up in a box, it looks good, it's fitting with both settings, it's not derpy like the Misterboombastic or whatever the fuck the big 40k knight is called
also I don't see anybody proonting armorcast-style knights or updating the og Epic knights and would it kill you to make a tracked Warden out of half an Acastus and a couple of Spartans?
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>>97605040
So it has even less of a reason to exist? How about we get something other than the same fucking Knight in different sized for a change?
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>>97605056
these guys all had the same rules tho
and they got done away with for the Epic Titan Legions box so that the plastic equivalent of these lads could take over; the later Epic Knights were extremely unified and spectacularly ugly, boring models, from which the Acastus (Castellan), Questoris (Paladin) and Cerastus Lancer (Baron) all ultimately derive, rather than these Goodwin 1990-ish versions
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>>97605097
>these guys all had the same rules tho
Yes, and...? I'm talking about taking the designs and making them into new knights, rather than making 15 questoris variants with different rules based on what arms they got.
>the later Epic Knights were extremely unified and spectacularly ugly, boring models
And I want them not to be boring, so what is your argument? That they should be, because James got lazy and will never not be lazy?
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>>97604937
>its own Cerastus knights
No it doesn't
It's between an armiger and a normal knight
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>>97605213
>One-bangs your spartan with a mere troops choice of 10 breachers with lascutters and melta bomb sergeant
Contrary to popular belief, tactical marines are the least useful line troops unit of them all. Despoilers have Line 2 as well and can remove tacticals from objectives without assistance, and breachers can do actual damage and survive more than a stiff breeze coming their way.
All tacticals do is score VP once, then die. Or die before even scoring once.
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>>97604937
Can't wait for the titanicus models
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>>97605527
by that definition Knights work far better in 40k than they do in 30k
>>97605536
??? 2000point armies in 40k are often larger forces than 3000pts in 30k in my experience.
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>>97604699
Like Heavy Chainaxes. Currently only Assault marines can have them. It's the opposite of making sense.
Let each despoiler be able to take a heavy chainsword if you wish, so they don't compete with power weapons on the same slot.
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>>97604937
Awww look at those cute little chud guns they ahve with their little stubby barrels. Adorbs.
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>>97605710
I actually like them too but the stubby guns are a bit silly, though an easy fix.
I like armigers too I think it's good to have an intermediate unit rather than just keep getting bigger.
As cool as they are acastus are still so out of place.
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>>97605471
I really like the way that Titans work in 30k. They can’t score points so you need to field at least half an army’s worth of secutarii just to score objectives defend their legs from assault. It’s been fun(tm)
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>>97605822
They really should have a big flamer instead of a melta weapon. Why give the retard squire a loadout that will steal glory from the noble? Use them to clear the ignoble mooks. They should have more weapon options.
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>>97604424
Also, why did they fuck up the Veletari? Fingers crossed for Vanguard retaining the look they had in resin. I love my resin Veltari, I do not love that they look smaller than my plastic riflemen
>>97604652
Pic related. Its Helmet, thin plate you can attach after shaving off that retarded collar, shoulder, and even has bolt guns, has a bunch of variants. Taken down unfortunately, though if theres anywhere I can upload them, I will.
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Adeptus Titanicus wish list
>Destrier and Dominus knights
>Squated forge world weapons in plastic
>Punisher-class Titan
>Another mid range Titan like a Carnivore
>lucius pattern warlord
>New set of Reaver weapons like the Warhounds got
>New Maniples
>New big weapon for the Warbringer, a rack of Deathstrike missiles would be based
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>>97603829
DO IT FAGGOT
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>>97604937
I know everyone is (rightfully) drawing comparisons to the cerastus, but I'm also seeing ripped off design cues from the old furioso dreads. Specifically the frag cannon, but also the spear is reminiscent of the librarian dread.
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>>97606116
I miss this era of bundles
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>>97606123
we never knew how good we really had it in 7th and early 8th.
Everyone remembers the worst part of 7th which was the tail end of it, which was aweful.
But no one remembers all the bad ass boxes and bundles we got.
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>>97604937
I think it's alright but you just know it's a cynical attempt by GW to make their own Lancer and 30k won't get it while 40k will never get Cerastus knights. Yeah it's smaller but everything from the lance to it being described as agile just screams Cerastus Lancer.
Maybe I'll get one one day for fun but it's probably going to be almost as expensive as a Questoris.
At least it's not fucking hideous dogshit like the other 40k knight.
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>>97606140
You mean you miss when you were sufficiently young and dumb that GW's marketing team had you living rent free in their doghouse.
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>>97606074
Adeptus Titanicus wish list:
More games.
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Kill Psykers. Behead Psykers. Roundhouse kick a Psyker into the concrete. Slam dunk a baby Psyker into the trashcan. Crucify filthy Witches. Defecate in Psykers food. Launch Psykers into the sun. Shoot Sorcerers with Lantern. Toss Psykers into active volcanoes. Urinate into a Psykers recaff. Throw Psykers from cliffs. Shove Sorcerers into a wood chipper. Twist Psyker heads off. Report Psykers to the Black Ships. Split Psykers in half with Silence. Curb stomp pregnant Witches. Trap Psykers in quicksand. Crush Psykers in the trash compactor. Bathe Psykers in Phosphex. Grind Psyker bones into dust. Dissect Psykers. Exterminate Psykers in the gas chamber. Stomp Psyker skulls with ceramite boots. Cremate Psykers in the oven. Throw Rad-Grenades at Psykers. Lobotomize Psykers. Mandatory abortions for Psykers. Grind Psyker fetuses in the garbage disposal. Drown Psykers in fried grox grease. Vaporize Sorcerers with a meltagun. Kick old Psykers down the stairs. Feed Psykers to Ogryn. Slice Psykers with a power sword.
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>>97604700
>Despoilers charging out of a Rhino will...
Comparisons must actually be done in a void, anon. Any synergy a unit can have, the other unit can also have. What if the target Tacticals have a Rhino of their own? What if, for a similar price, the enemy has two Tac squads to your Despoiler w/Power in Rhino?
Not to mention, Despoilers "win" combat by 0.8 W, less than a single wound. Combat. Tacticals kill more because their bolters no longer prevent charging, and now two bolt shots are better than two chainsword strikes, now Shred's re-rolls were removed.
2 bolts + 1 bolt pistol snapshot + 1 melee attack
kills more than
1 bolt + 1 bolt pistol snapshot + 2 chainsword attacks
But the surviving Despoilers do inflict a whole +0.5w in combat than Tacticals, so they do win combat!
>Despoilers being able to get 3 attacks also would put them on par with elite units like veterans
And Tacticals being able to shoot thrice for 10 pts puts them on par with what, exactly? Combi-Vets of 22 pts?
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>>97605053
BattleCastings have just released one
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>>97606322
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>>97606329
I'd rather just convert.
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>>97606295
>Two tactical squads is quite a bit more points than one despoiler squad with one or two power weapons in a RhinoAnd will die to the first unit shooting them. There is good reason people always take a rhino for their tacticals.
>Tacticals only get to shoot their bolters at despoilers charging out of a Rhino if the opponent had a spare reaction point to waste on tacticals shooting overwatch - quite the assumption
>Only does calculations for despoilers without even a single power weaponNo one in their right mind would skip the twin claws on the sarge, it's 4 power weapon attacks for a mere 10 pts
So even in the most unfavourable situation you could think of, despoilers still win the combat. Way to prove his point LMFAO.
>Comparisons must actually be done in a void
Spoken like a true nogames armchair math-hammering general. This is why I love /hhg/, the clowns here work for free.
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It’s not the most developed thoughts on my end, but I think I like these designs because they feel like systems that were converted into war machines after having being built for some forgotten purpose long ago. Newer designs not having this feeling to them makes sense lore-wise, but I think they lose a sense of mystery and grandeur by not looking more like they walked in from a whole different age.
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>>97606354
See the reason why the new combat patrols fucking SUCK is they are loaded with shit no one wants.
>Here is a box of numarine tacticals, 3 turrets that no one fucking runs, and a character.
vs
>Here is a box with 10 tacticals and a transport that they and like half the armor roster can make use of. oh and its basically only costing you 10 bucks more then just the tacticals.
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>>97606281
Fuck psykers alright :^)
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Everything I've worked on since January, need a break to focus on Adeptus Titanicus. Rushed this way too much.
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>>97606463
Part of the problem with potential 30k combat patrol or battleforce boxes is that until recently, there simply weren't enough unique units to even form a discount box. That's only now starting to change, but just last year you basically only had a bunch of tacticals, weapon upgrades, and a ton of plastic vehicles. Not a whole lot of box combinations you can make from that unless you're actually offering a good deal on models, and it's GW we're talking about.
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>>97606074
bring back the imperator class titan. mostly because it would be really funny to have stompimh about in legions and because the big old pewter bastid is crazy expensive to track down.
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>>97606820
MoD is the one in the middle there
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>>97606380
Indeed we actually must ignore that, for we also must ignore the fact that Tacticals can kill at range, while Despoilers can't really.
Comparisons are in a vacuum, but what matters will be how the player uses their units. The same list can bring different results in the hands of two different people.
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>>97606958
>comparisons are in a vacuum
And if wishes were nickels we would all be rich.
>>97606973
>Attacks at I+1
Being able to kill someone before they can swing back at you is a very big deal anon. it means you are cutting their ability to even threaten you.
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>>97606983
Also not to mention a sgt with claws will rip said tactical squad apart.
>>97606958
you cant compare in a vacume because the gme is anything but that. No one is going to run a despoiler squad with out power weapons. Both are good, both have a role but pretending that in any actual situation that a despoiler squad would not be mopping the floors with tactical is living in a fantasy world.
Like lets not even consider how bad it would be if we did them at max sizes or if we are doing things like inderdiction squads.
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>>97607003
>sergeant with claws
>4 attacks
>likely 2 will hit
>likely 1 will wound
truly ripping apart the tactical squad. maybe we should make him a master sergeant, and then he will truly annihilate it. nearly primarch tier.
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>>97606683
>there simply weren't enough unique units to even form a discount box.
I disagree with this.
Want a great battle force box?
>10 man tactical
>Rhino
>Single set of melee upgrade sprue
>Some random generic HQ model
Sell it for 70 bucks
Boom killer box right there.
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>>97606820
power claw not fist so i apologize but this guys power claw/lightning claw praetor is one of my favorite silly loadouts
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>>97607017
Another idea
>Land Raider
>6 man(Really GW? 6 to a fucking box of a unit that starts at 5 and caps at 10?) cata box.
Sell it for 120 boom great box deal.
>>97607043
Muh math hammer.
Power weapons will mog on a MEQ unit, all you need to do is win comabt and force them to fall back and they have just been mogged on, problem solved stop pretending that fights go until the last man, fights go only until you lose combat and if as a result you get pushed off of an objective, thats as good as dead.
In short, stop being a faggot.
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>>97607069
>a fight happening on an objective
what do you think i'm doing, spending reactions to return fire? intercept? come on, anon, play a single fucking game and stop theoryhammering how much your power weapons will mog tacticals on objectives
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>>97606697
it was always plastic, they never made a pewter model that mass except maybe some of the dragons, which were notorious for falling apart even when pinned and just bending under their own weight over time; the Epic Titan Legions-standard Imperator is about 80% taller than the old Marauder Giant, which was the most successful large model in pewter (and didn't have lots of thin joins like the Imperator, and still needed pinning in multiple points)
>>97606741
Warhounds are one of the heavier classes of scout titan, and they're something like four times faster than infantry, twice as fast as land raiders
RAW a Warhound is faster than a xiphon; on a 6x4 board in a 4 turn game a Warhound can get anywhere from any starting point and is only really hindered by its slow turning, but even then it can still stamp over little guys and absolutely fuck them
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>>97607141
No, you're probably one of those people wasting all their reaction points on moving tactical squads off objectives, who then gets their army completely neutralised in one turn because they have no reactions left to save any of their units or return fire any more.
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>>97606973
The reason that spears are good is because they can precision the nuncio-vox model so that when you win and they run away they have to keep running instead of getting back in the fight. You need four spears in the squad to make it work half the time for a legion that doesnt buff melee attacks though.
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>>97606368
>>Two tactical squads is quite a bit more points than one despoiler squad with one or two power weapons in a Rhino
200 vs 180 is too different? Okay
>And they will die to the first thing that shoots them
So would Despoilers. Hence all comparisons must be done in a vacuum, otherwise all comparisons end with "and then a Double Gravis Plasma Dread kills them all".
>>97606368
>>Tacticals only get to shoot their bolters at despoilers charging out of a Rhino if the opponent had a spare reaction point
No, it would be the Tacticals' own turn. They dismount their Rhino and shoot, then they charge if it's convenient. Despoilers can't choose. They will make it convenient, or they'll die. No in betweens.
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>>97607069
I heard someone say MEQ die to guns and VEQ due to thunder hammers and bigger guns. And TEQ were harder still, so it seemed there was no place for actual power weapons: just guns, antitank guns and TH.
I pray they are wrong...but MEQ do die to regular guns, so idk how to counter their sayings?
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>>97607439
The tacticals still lose the combat idiot, even if they are the ones charging and shooting bolters beforehand. Meaning despoilers leave your own double gravis plasma dreadnought free to rape the enemy terminators at range, but still forcing the enemy dreadnought with double gravis plasma to shoot are a fucking troops choice.
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>>97607465
Fast units with power weapons will send MEQ running way more reliably than guns do. Melee can easily result in such high modifiers that only a double 1 will stop a unit from runningUnless they're DAMeanwhile the highest modifier a ranged weapon can inflict is like what, panic 3 with phosphex?
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>>97606074
> Dominius knights
How about no faggot.
>Plastic weapons
Sure
> Punisher
I don't even know what that is
> Mid size titan
What's the niche. Warbringer isn't good, how is it going to be better than a reaver
> New reaver weapons
Sure
> New maniples
Sure
> Big weapons for warbringer
They need something they suck now, no point for then and honestly they don't even look that good, the heads are shit
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Played my first game of 3.0 last Friday as mecanicum, 1.5k against EC
>Turn 1
Kill three tacticals, lose one Thallax in combat, unit runs off the board next turn
>Turn 2
Wipe out a tactical squad with a unit of thallax, Ursurax get pinned in the open after failing a charge and lose three to volley fire, take out post of a predator and half an assault squad with the rest of my shooting, dreadnought kills a Castellax which causes the unit to run away
>Turn 3
Ursurax die, second thallax squad kills the rest of the assault squad but lose three men and flee after being shot by the dreadnought Csastellax ralley but get pinned, get charged and wiped out.
>Turn 4
Thallax run off the board, Kil predator with thanatar, which gets charged by dreadnought, combat draw,last thallax squad down to three guys
I hate this, mecanicum suck
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>>97607614
Units with jump packs or on bikes are the most common example. Units in a rhino are only fast until they disembark, though that can often be enough.
Something like a five man veteran assault squad with power weapons is relatively cheap, will still absolutely shit on MEQ in melee, and is very obnoxious to get rid off before they jump over some terrain and charge anything that dared venture out of its deployment zone.
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Same weapons that kill medium and heavy tanks. Just might need a few more shots depending on their luck with invulnerable saves.
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>>97607198
anon are you done projecting? other people, for the most part, don't have severe learning disabilities. if they were losing because they didn't waste reaction points on return fire, they would simply start using reaction points on return fire.
if their actions lead to victories, they would obviously continue doing the same things.
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Magos [100 Point(s)]
Magos [100 Point(s)]
Thanatar Siege Maniple [225 Point(s)]:
• 1x Thanatar
Ursarax Cohort [235 Point(s)]:
• 1x Ursarax Alpha [35 Point(s)]
• 8x Ursarax [25 Point(s)]
Thallax Cohort [180 Point(s)]:
• 1x Thallax Praetorian [30 Point(s)]
• 3x Thallax [20 Point(s)]
• 2x Thallax [30 Point(s)]
Thallax Cohort [180 Point(s)]:
• 1x Thallax Praetorian [30 Point(s)]
• 3x Thallax [20 Point(s)]
• 2x Thallax [30 Point(s)]
Thallax Cohort [180 Point(s)]:
• 1x Thallax Praetorian [30 Point(s)]
• 3x Thallax [20 Point(s)]
• 2x Thallax [30 Point(s)]
Castellax Battle Maniple [150 Point(s)]:
• 3x Castellax [50 Point(s)]
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>>97607776
>people, for the most part, don't have severe learning disabilities
And yet HH players continue to think a terminator deathstar in a spartan is the best thing to bring for 3 editions straight, regardless of how often that's proven to be a mistake.
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>>97604056
Oh god there are so many...So rather unironically this was one of the few conversions that I've done that's actually unique. Usually I'm just ripping off of someone but I always thought the EC praetor would make a great heavy weapons guy with the extended reactor and the model came out just how I envisioned.
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>>97604056
Probably the Kytan I did back in 23 but I reckon once I finish the Mastadon fully with proper weathering I will like it more. I did do a ruinstorm Keerper of secrets proxy that was a challange I love as well.
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>>97606272
The lucius pattern warlord is cool but I prefer the mars pattern warhound. It needs to be be a sleek hunter and cute, CUTE!
Anyway aside from my previously stated overwelming wish for a new version of the OG emperor class titan (which I now know is plastic not metal) the titans I'd like to see return would be traitor stuff that is unique in gameplay and aesthetic like the Subjugator/Questor (warhound sized scout titans but faster and more lightly armoured) or the Banelord but I'm not sure how you'd appease loyalist players (more psi-titans?)
I'd also like to see the return of Ordinatus engines and the comparable mega-arty daemon engine like that khorne one that looked like something Mehmet IV would roll out but I guess that's more for Legions than Titanicus since I don't think Titanicus players would want anything that isn't stompy even if its in the same ballpark.
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Why did FW slack so much when it comes to Forgeworld colors chemes and picture plates even when they otherwise had big roles and importance in the books?
See also: Mezoa
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>>97609641
There isn't much point in making a lot of them when even the same forgeworld has different taghmata with different schemes like the Xana ones for example. Not that I don't want more of them but I see where FW was coming from when compared to marines which are the focus and SA, knights or titans which have a unified scheme for each cohort, house or legio.
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>>97609726
What are we missing? Off the top of my head we've got some Xana, Sarum, Cyclothrathe, some of the ones in the UM zone, a lot of martian ones now, a couple of Zhao-arkhad and more that I don't remember. Mezoa didn't get one because the book it gets expanded on was meant to be about something else so they had to juggle stuff in to fill it up. It's also why Sarum has one in that book.
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>>97610041
That's green and red, anon.
>>97610039
Also red. Fuck it, I'll do Blackshields
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This dude on (P)reddit totally met Alan Bligh and definitely actually asked him this and 100% got a real answer to the question he clearly asked.
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>>97609641
This dude on WarCom also painted his guys up as Mezoa but I doubt this is the canon colours.
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Finally, Mezoa helps train the 133rd Lambdan Lions and they are often seconded to AdMech control. The Forge World was founded by Lucius and both Lucius and the 133rd Lambdan Lions have a fairly similar colour scheme, so paint Mezoa up as a mix of the two and you'd likely have a fairly lore-accurate colour scheme.
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>>97610053
It's weird. And technically we only know about Xana because it happens to be the same as Malinax and because FW did a Vulturax in their colors once. Though at least they had this line in the books which is more than others got.
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>paint crackles in white
>put a orange filter/wash
>paint darker orange in the center part of the lines
>fix up with black
Shouldn't be too hard if you got a good brush. I don't play sallies so I haven't done it on a marine yet but I recall painting some bases like that a long time ago.
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>Anon, why are your models.... laughing?
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IT LIVES
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/q0qhnrpr/heraldry-o f-the-dark-mechanicum-part-one/
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>Thanks to the team for these schemes. In the next article they’ll take a look at the heraldry and iconography of a number of specific Dark Mechanicum Forge Worlds – Retlaxi, Sarum, Xana II, Urdesh, and Estaban III.
You sons of bitches gimme HH era Metalica
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Tacticals lose the combat if Despoilers use power mauls, not spears.
If Despoilers bring 3 power weapons, then the Tacs can afford bringing a power weapon on the sarge (yawn), a combi-flamer (O.O) and most importantly a vexilla (:O), which makes Despoilers still win combat...by 0.08 wounds. That is, less than 0.1 wounds.
Use mauls instead to win combat by a comfortable 0.95 wounds. That way they kill 4 tacticals (they kill only 3 with spears), and the surviving 5 despoilers can snapfire 5 bolt pistols to the fleeing Tacticals - I assume they won't Pursuit since staying on the Obj for Line 2 is better than slay a Tac squad across 2-3 of the 4 game turns?
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They are scouting for weapon platforms capable of hurting titans. They dont care about the leman russes or infantry formations. But are looking for shadowswords or stuff like that. So it (used to be) the smallest thing carrying around void shields. It's also fast and maneuverable (compared to a warlord) running around ahead of other titans looking for trouble for their bigger brothers, screams scouting to me.