Dead general, dead game.

>>97611233
>Post character conversions.
You first, queer.

Dark mech fans where we at?

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>>97611233
i need to paint him

>>97611455
I like them. But all their Daemon Engines being in resin makes me not play them.

>>97611467
Early heresy dark mech, simple as.

>>97611482
Then you're just playing Mech and nothing about them makes it clear they evil. nta

>>97611482
See, that would work. But if I'm playing Dark Mech I want Daemon Engines. I think I'll get a recast Decimator and just suffer through it. Seems the easiest resin DE to build.

>>97611501
Well you can expand when they do release shit.

>>97611455
Waiting for my spider walkers. WHERE ARE THEY JAMES!?

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>>97611605
Evil shrimp ;__;

>mechanicum heraldry
>lamest most boring color schmes you've ever seen
Bravo specialist games studio.

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>>97611429
OK go

>>97611673
>Unconverted 40k model
Haram.

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While we're on the topic and last thread died.

>>97611605
It is odd that the "tabletop sized" AT/LI models for the Dark Mech like Harpax haven't got models for HH.

>>97611659
Keep it simple, stupid.
Zhao Arkhad and Xana are outliers.

>>97611148
>god specific schemes
>oh but they are late heresy
One more step towards 40k-fication.

>>97611775
Even GW is ok with us bringing Chaos Marines now lol

>>97611233
That thing would be like the heirophant. Kinds cool but fucking impossible to transport.

>>97611778
I wouldn't even be surprised at this point if we got an article with them as "late heresy word bearers" or "siege of terra night lords". Modern hh has become a joke, book 9 was the set up and all that came after was punchline after punchline.

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>>97611754
Eh that's a yawn from me. It's like the Dark Angels of mechanicum. I like Ryza and Xana better, and those guys don't really have orange or cream marine equivalents outside of Blackshields (or IF at sunset).

>>97611836
I dunno grey/black/red with brass and steel hits all the right mech notes imo

>>97611836
We've got a 30k version of the Ryza scheme?

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gonna paint these inductii next
no helmet, i wanna practice tanned desert witch faces

>>97611456
Legion?

>>97611876
salamanders, yeah i fucked up

>>97611754
I like these crab bots

>>97611877
Cool, just remember to remove the mould lines on the weapons.

>>97611875
Thousand Sons?

>>97611888
yep.

Is there recommended base sizes for units/characters or can I get away with loading a guy up with lots of bits and calling him a Centurion/Praetor?

>>97611761
No make it fun and colorful please, I like enjoyment.

>>97611903
Have fun Space Wizard

>>97611910
Just use the base the model comes with.

I am starting Mechanicum, how many tech priests should I need?

>>97611927
You will probably want 1 archmagos, 2 normal magi and 2 tech priests

>>97611958
>2 normal magi
What for?

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>>97611165
This is what someone painted up to represent Metalica.

>>97611958
Thanks. Is the Abeyant something suggested or it depends on the list?

>>97611455
>fielded 3 Blood Slaughterers
>Khornate daemon engine
>WS3
>6++
>too fast to get Magi support
>huge models because of the legs
Well, 50 points/model is okay, but without synergy they're just a distraction.


>>97611501
>>97611520
It's not like the DM only fields Daemon engines and giant spiders. Just start with converting the regular stuff - both Ligma kits are great for this. Slighty mutated or even more zombie-like thralls, daemonic helmets on Thallax/Ursarax etc.

And the actual Mechanicum rules don't scream 'we're the good guys'.

>>97611971
Auxilia detachments.

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>>97611233
WAH WAH WAH
macca you’re a man child. Gonna guess this vid is just saying that using a symbol already used by British occultism an referencing judge dredd is the same as blatantly placing a space marine in a games trailer and being shocked you got hit with legal action

We need a Nuremberg for these tards that only bitch while not interacting with the game in years

>>97611971
Having any chance of winning at all. Your units dont have Line.

>>97612027
>Arch starts talking a few mins in
I'm out

>>97612027
>Outer Circle
>Arch
It's a gathering of the most insufferable people in the hobby.

>>97612027
Remember that edition he was working on? Ya me neither. lol what a chump

>>97612027
I'm not sure what kind of audience hes trying to cultivate here. Well actually I do, but I dont think its a good idea.

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Anyone getting the BB warden?

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>>97611875
I approve , you will enjoy it anon.

>>97612123
I see you have not been to asia or eastern europe, middle east.

>>97612172
Using AI ads is a terrible choice for any community even remotely connected to the internet, and you should go buy one instead of spamming threads faggot

>>97612145
Knew right away that he wouldn't deliver, lmao what a loser.

>>97612172
how much benzene did you drink

>>97612145
It was apparent immediately that he has no idea what he cant write rules and doesn't even have his own game design ideas.

>>97612145
lmao what

>>97612005
>It's not like the DM only fields Daemon engines and giant spiders.
No, but we both know DE would be the most easily recognised part of the Dark Mech and thus should be present on the tabletop.

>>97612289
What you don’t think a army wide 4++\5++ fnp for iron hands was a bit busted lmao

>>97612308
He was going to make his own horus heresy with blackjack and hookers.

>>97612325
Are we talking about 40k 8th edition?

>>97611825
Would be based tbhon

>>97612145
>>97612261
>>97612289
>>97612327
Can't believe I missed this shit lol

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>get Ligma and decide EC
>quickly realize that painting EC like this will take decades
>switching to IH now

>>97612499
Damn they look good!

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Getting into Adeptus Titanicus. I want to have my Titans/Knights wading through a battle that's currently raging, anyone stuck LI models to the bases? I love the idea of placing Rhinos, Dreadnoughts, Marines etc around my unit's feet and think it could look cool.
I've found pics on this online but want to see what anons have done.

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>>97612499
>Ligma infantry
Nice paintjob, but yeah that level of panel separation would be an absolute cunt to paint across an entire army.

>>97612501
Thanks, each little marine took an entire evening.
>>97612529
Yeah, just going to paint the IH with a really dark iron, black wash and then pick out notable parts with black, white and steel.

The day blood angels get plastic upgrades is the day I oink out

>>97611825
>late heresy word bearers
My brother in christ they looked like that one year into the heresy, and it only took that long because they were hiding how deep they were in the chaos soup on istvaan

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>>97611233
Did a quick Iron farther in power armor for my IH (not finished painting or drilling of course) used a couple of different HQ models and slapped the bits together.

>>97612670
Funny part is until recently, BA were one of the easiest legions to make conversions for due to plastic kit availability. SG and DC marine kits had so many bits and pieces usable for 30k, not to mention the vehicle heraldry from the stormraven and baal predator kits. And of course, the BA tac squad kit will always be missed.

>>97612848
Yeah those kits had an insane amount of bits. Real loss.

>>97612123
Dilate troon

>>97612308
Circle edition, I hope he still works on it.

>>97612848
Yeah fuck GW for killing those kits for BA primaris slop

>>97612897
Same thing with the dark angels vet kit from 40k, crazy bits box there.

>>97612123
>mr "house niggers" collab
Meh what little shred of sympathy I still had left for macca just evaporated.

>>97613018
who did he collab with?

>>97613025
Arch, the guy with the fake accent. Dude is faker than a drag queen.

Help, I'm retarded. Can the same guy have both a vexilla and nuncio-vox?

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>>97611233
>Post character conversions.

Sadly the shield is just decorative in 3rd, but I still like him.

>>97613030
>the guy with the fake accent
That "voice" he does drives me fucking nuts. It's rape-ily bad.

>>97613043
Agreed.

>>97613030
Yes his accent is cringe but he has some very good points, you are probably just a shitlib leftoid who hates his politics.

>>97613004
Guaranteed not working on it any more lmao. He's being real quiet about it and praying everybody forgets.

>>97613091
nta but I'm a total Chud and can't stand the secondary cunt even when he agrees with me most of the time.

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Will the AT/LI Armigers ever get a plastic release or should I just suffer the resin?

>>97613091
Nah, his points are shit too. There are no points to be made when everyone knows GW is a slop company that will gladly sell the very souls of its employees to satan to an eternity of torture for a profit if it could. It's just that you are a little faggot in denial that grips his dick with a karate hold when watching him while thinking he's so brave and enlightened for pissing on gw while in actuality you are being blinded by your faggotry. Fuck off back to the rest of the 40niggers along with mr fake accent. The accent is the realest thing about him.

>>97613125
Fair anon, Arch is a pretty milktoast chud desu

>>97613138
You make no sense anon. GW as a company does suck tho.

>>97613149
>GW as a company does suck tho.
And water is wet. I didn't need someone on youtube to tell me that.

>>97613149
Get your YouTuber to translate that into your think fucking skull you aodomite

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>>97613126
Do not suffer the resin

>>97613158
Why so mad bro, did a youtuber rape you?

>>97613164
No way those are official?

>>97613033
No

>>97613168
Of course not are you gonna spend 59 dollars on three models less than an inch tall?!

>>97613179
That's why I was horrified lmfao

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>>97613033
Rules as written? Yes.
Though it seems like a mistake given the way they've designed the infantry kits.

>>97613167
Nta but are you the youtuber's discord kitten?

Plastic Unification Wars models when?

>>97613218
Funnily enough the malcador and iirc the kratos were in use during the unification wars so we already have a couple of them.

>>97613218
Next Wednesday.

>>97613186
>>97613033
uhhh yes but why would you want that, the guy's going to be easy to kill and he'll take his toys with him

>>97613186
I imagine you could give a vox guy a hand held banner and augury scanner on his belt to force arguments at your lgs when you play a game.

>>97613297
>>97613310
>iPad kid in training

>>97613297
He can be sniped more easily but otherwise it's another wound before you lose the vexilla/nuncio effects. Not that I would put both on the same model.

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>>97613310
Can't have both an augury scanner and nuncio vox.

>>97613033
Please do. Makes it sooo much easier to snipe the important wargear out of a unit.

>>97612512
All of you are worthless.

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>>97613375
oh look an anon read the rules, if only others could learn this unique and difficult skill in a game with rules and rules books.

Hey anons, can the Marines found in the Horus Heresy 2nd Ed box and/or Saturnine box fit on regular 25mm bases? My guy tells me they won't but I don't have any on hand to test.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

>>97613644
Definitely not. A few might, but about 90% are too wide legged.

>>97613654
Fair enough then. Thanks anon, appreciate it.

>>97613644
Why would you even want that? Would just mean you wouldn't be allowed to use those models in a game.

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>>97613033
>>97613186
>>97613310
>>97613375
>>97613594
RAW you can also take 2 nuncios or 2 augury scanners in the same unit now if you really wanted to.

>>97613644
They do as well as older marines do, which is poorly.

>>97613724
Not sure if that's such an incredible idea. Spending another 10 pts just in case the first one gets sniped, when plenty of people don't even have sniping in their lists, seems a bit wasteful.

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fuck, this scheme is kino

I may try it, thallax and stuff in marble white with gold as a secondary colour may look awesome as fuck

>>97613843
I didn't say it was a good idea.

>>97612006
Oof
>>97612108
Yikes. Mechanicum really is a background faction innit

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>>97611233
>Post character conversions.

>>97614478
Nah mechanicum is doing fine, they still got plenty of tricks. Biggest problem is that mechanicum list building is now a little too immersive, it's almost like you have to literally tard wrangle magos and priests under your command to get along.

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>>97612512
>>97613593
Sorry chump I went for trees.

>>97614497
Yeah but the enemy Tacticals squatting over their back objective are slurping 3VP / turn for 100 pts. Marines get that on their troops, Mechanicum get that on their HQ.
It's not necessarily wrong, I just have to make sense of it, is all.

>>97614542
Tactical squads die to a stiff breeze, if they can remain standing on an objective you're doing something wrong.

Meanwhile as mechanicum you can put a magos with comptroller 2 in a tech-thrall blob that doesn't care about any status effects or casualties, and as long as some thralls remain the magos can shit out 4 extra each turn which goes above starting unit size. Marinefags regularly seethe about how obnoxious it is to shift them off an objective.

>>97614520
You guys are cool, don't go to Prospero tomorrow.

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>>97614615
>Lives on Prospero

>>97614576
Seems easy enough to fuck them over. Minimum 200 point spend just to hold an objective less capably than Tacticals and especially Despoilers; hardier to bolters but fucked over by humble chainswords and can't even volley.

Can't Battlesmith if you're Pinned (since you can't be selected to Move if you're Pinned, you can't do anything that requires being selected to Move). Can't contest Objectives while you're Pinned either; meanwhile Tech-thralls always have a 1/36 chance of failing a Cool Check and both Magos and Tech-thralls have terrible Leadership and take Panic (X) checks, so enjoy flamers friend.

Let me guess, everybody in your local meta puts pintle multimeltas on tanks instead of flamers? Because it was all dreadnoughts and TEQ last edition?

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>>97613164
>>97613179
which caster so I can avoid?

>>97613218
Maybe Mk1 has a shot after we get every other armor mark in plastic

>>97614760
I think it's hilarious that you're saying thralls having a 1/36 chance to fail a cool check like it's some sort of major disadvantage.

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>>97614576
>>97614934
Idk why he mentions cool, but Ld8 is beatable, especially when it effectively tests on Ld7 because most flamers are Panic 1, no? 50-50.
I fully believe any unit with flamers can kill enough Thralls that they no longer outnumber said unit in the charge, and because they do 0 damage, that alone will make them lose combat.
Toughness 5 is nothing behind a 6+ "save"

>>97613218
>>97614856
There exist 3d prints of thunder warriors and tortugabay has some also

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>>97611429
Ok
>>97611455
Reporting in sir. My dark mech are 'possessed' by the scrapcode of the grand unifier. Pyrexian text will come when I get a new micron pen. I imagine the electric currents on the electro priest bodies to be the scrap code taking over the magos'. Gotta get more white paint, as I used the last of it on the two test models.
Also thank you person that said, "there is no shortage of robed models." Working on my flagellant turned tech priests now.

>>97615305
First response meant for op. too high to apparently click the right things.

>>97612108
>>97614542
If you really want Line now you can take Skitari.

Do the heavy weapons like autocannons fit with the mkII arms or do I have to use the mkVI arms in the heavy box?

>>97615373
They should fit on your mk ii dudes, it says as much on the site and the mk vi and ii should be in scale with each other after the refreshes.

>>97615389
Yes but can I use the mkII arms on the big guns specifically?

>>97615390
You’d have to find arms at the right angle for it if didn’t want to use the ones in the upgrade set. Probably will need to do some converting if you want the specific mk ii arms

40 tacticals or some despoilers? Do I bother adding weapons to sergeant or just go bolter? Doesn't seem worth it.

>>97614496
Kino banner

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>>97611455
soon anon, soon....

>>97615252
>JuSt 3D pRiNt
Rope, now.

>>97615828
Ok GW paypig.

>>97615828
See >>97615814

>>97615959
>>97615962
The damage your kind have done to this hobby can not even be explained and the sooner you all die out, the better. Do I like GW? No. It's easy to hate GW. But do you have the strength to hate 3D Printers? I do.

>>97615814
Your tyranids look funny

>>97615973
Oh look, another thread shitted up by this discussion. Are you not bored regurgitating the same thing over and over for a decade? Nobody cares.

>>97615995
You can't debate the truth, tard.

>>97615828
You don't have to but the option is there. GW sure as shit isn't making an unification wars game.

>>97612499
>Brother I am pinned here

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>>97616169
Man this would have been a lot funnier if I actually posted the image, too

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i don't think it's at all out of the question that a dreadclaw or kharybdis could 'walk' around on the surface of a world to some degree of efficacy by virtue of articulation of its clamping spines and the thought of it is unnerving

>>97616218
I thought walking around was their whole thing?
They have a 12" move afterall.

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Whoever designed these sponsons is a goddamn psychopath

>>97616229
i get the sense that more relates to their capacity to boost back up and displace themselves with thrusters but actual locomotion on their spines seems at least halfway plausible

>>97616238
Fucking Hell.

>>97616229
They hover around like ufos and if they need more speed they flip 90 degrees and fire up the boosters.

>>97616390
>They hover around like ufos

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>>97616437
oops upd8

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>>97616437
>>97616446

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>>97616446
Love it.

>>97616446
Top kek

>>97616238
Probably the same person who designed the saturnine dreadnought's feet. Each foot has more parts than an entire fucking space marine...

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>>97616238

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>got thanatar
>it's like a million pieces

>>97616777
That's what you get for wanting your FW models in plastic but still have the same amount of details as the resin ones.

>>97616854
Nah to be fair, GW overfucking engineers their modeles now.
There is no fucking reason for the Thanatar and new Cata to be as many peices as they are currently.

>>97613001
It’s actually chud coded to hate the most insufferable freaks on the right side of the hobby

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>>97611233
>tq
Fat boy here is a 30k/40k ec character. Full on cannibal. Probably gonna redo one of the shoulders or something cause it’s admittedly a bit bland

>>97612027
I distinctly remember that macca cunt whinging in a video that he got silver for his armies on parade entry because he didn't know anyone and nobody knew him so they all went and voted for a kid instead. He was being such an insufferable cunt about a local, low-stakes competition, never watched any of his videos ever again.

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>>97611233
TQ
Its still a WIP, and i took a break from it.
>inb4 its posted sideways

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>wahapedia updates 3rd
>oops! all HQ!
christ I knew it was bad, but not this bad. hell, I thought that 2nd was already bad enough with adding separate profiles for armor types.

>>97617118
>the same number of options as before
>presented in a different way
yea this is obviously fucking hell and we are being tortured in it

in b4 somebody says "but muh combi-bolter on my siege breaker" or whatever. Yea even in 1.0 different consul types had different wargear options available

>>97617134
2.0 blank slate build-a-bear consuls are one of the coolest things that has ever existed in this system

>>97617147
facts, i fucking miss that from 2.0 so bad.

somebody do math for me and tell me the most effective way to intercept a caestus assault ram so it doesn't drop 8 WS5 terminators with thunder hammers directly into whatever target it wants to

>>97617216
IDK bring a xiphon? cant that thing intercept it and blow it the fuck up?

>>97617223
>3 2 damage shots
>4 1 damage shots
unfortunately, a xiphon is not fit for purpose here. 7 AV13 hull points to chew through.

>>97617216
You don't, really. Even if you bring some anti-air the caestus can just enter outside of LOS then fly to where it wants to be.

>>97617223
It doesn't, blowing up vehicles has become a lot harder and the xiphon has a bunch of lascannons that are always dmg 1 because the xiphon can never be stationary.

>>97617255
the advantage of playing with barely literate troglodytes is that they insist on using true line of sight for everything because medium terrain bad for some reason.

So there is basically no such thing as deploying a flyer out of LOS here.

>>97617255
>>97617236
Does that stupid turret that comes in teh main box do anything?

>>97617303
needs 6s to only glance, unfortunately. Could in theory force the enemy to drop off at board edge, which is useful I guess.

>>97617265
>TLOS: people upset their shit can be seen through tiny cracks, making it close to impossible to hide
>Actual LOS rules: people upset because they're too retarded to understand and use them
You can't win.

>>97617330
Any tactic that relies on rolling that lucky 6 is a recipe for failure.

>>97617330
well shit uhhhh
Dorito dread?

>>97615814
Creator?

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>>97617134
>in b4 somebody says "but muh combi-bolter on my siege breaker" or whatever. Yea even in 1.0 different consul types had different wargear options available
Hey at least they had wargear options available. The most restricted guy was the Master of Signals, and even he could take a power weapon and a volkite charger

With the Scouring novel(s) keeping the Heresy branding, will James make MK VII Tacticals with the refreshed proportions? Seems like a good way to banish the “firstborn” from 40k once and for all.

>>97617216
The Deredeo's Arachnus lascannon battery is S10 when static, 2 shots at D4 each. Armourbane Skyfire
It also has 4 Boreas air defense missiles of S8 D3 Skyfire Rapid Tracking
That being said, aren't Intercept attacks as snapshots? You'd need like 4 such Deredeos to ward off your airspace.
It might be easier to keep only two AA Deredeos, and refit the third to deal with the Terminators that do get through? Hellfire plasma is a 5" Breaching 4+ D2 blast. That ought to do something?

>>97617499
Yes, writing is on the wall, HH is going to go into the scouring and imo 2nd fouding and you will see rules for Orks, Eldar, Possibly Crons as well along side current legion and traitor rules with more chaos rules as well.

They are going to treat HH the say way they treat TOW, its gonna be a semi reboot of 40k.

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>>97617134
>Yea even in 1.0 different consul types had different wargear options availa
But those limits were for theme or practicality, not because of what's in the kit.

>>97617147
Can you please explain this? Thanks

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>>97617560
The Acuitor requisitioness has been dispatched to repossess your forgelord's flamer. Third edition has left him weak, now that servo arm and machinator array melee software has been disabled by the update.
Stay still while the Acuitor vivisects you.

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>>97617568
this is the base template of a power armoured dude and it underpins all permutations that might be given atop as to a specific sort of consul
their equipment options were wildly freeform, you could do nearly whatever you wanted with them

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>>97617604
pt.2

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>>97617607
and this was the schema for terminator plate clad ones, varying in flavor only with regards to tartaros or cataphractii armour and their nuances, both having a separate if nearly 1:1 profile otherwise

>>97617499
Horus rising came out 6 years before FW made the books and they made them only after people were already converting models and coming up with homebrew rules. There just isn't enough interest online that justifies killing an entire core game in exchange of getting a second 40k but earlier.

>>97617591
It's just a combi flamer bro.

>>97617623
They aren’t unopposed to hopping around the timeline looking at how this edition went to back to the Dropsite Massacre after Calth last edition. It could very much still be Traitor versus Loyalists if they did, no need to include Xenos at all. Though it would be strange if they were to do it before a Siege on Terra edition regardless of all other factors.

>>97617526
skyfire lets you shoot without snapshots. Deredeo seems like the best bet for actually neutralizing a Caestus! Probably 1 is enough if you're only expecting 1 caestus and can keep the dreadnought from being cleared out before it comes in. It is a bit knife's edge, though.

Thanks for pointing this one out!

>>97617623
Anon i think you are vastly underselling how many people became disenfranchised with 40k post 8th ed, and how many HH players overlap with that group.

Like lets not kid ourselves. There are 2 realities that have to be accepted
1. HH really has only been able to take off because of recasters( This is not realated to the point but its a major one)
2. The massive influx of HH players in 2.0 came from people who were fed up with 8th ed + rule set and wanted a more classic 3rd-7th rule set.

There are a lot of people who like 3rd -7th rule set, there are also a lot of people who dont want to play marines or mech.
They would not be killing off HH, but a soft 40k reboot using the rule sets of HH but then adding in Eldar, Orks, Crons, Possibly Nids would 100% be more popular then HH currently is.

>>97617682
Can you intercept with the las canons though? Or are they to strong IE not defenseive weapons.
I dont use dreads so IDK do they get to intercept and return fire with weapons that are not defensive wepaons because of some sort of dread rule i dont know about?

>>97617682
Skyfire prevents snapshots against flyers, but I worry the snapshots are being imposed by the Intercept reaction itself. I'd like a third person to corroborate this
>>97617704
Doesn't that restriction only affect vehicles, which Dreads are not? Walker surely lets you attack with all guns available, seeing how no dread has Fire Protocols X

>>97617773
ooo fair point i did not think of that so yeah dorito sounds like the best option to fuck up a Assault ram.

How does medic stack with eternal warrior? Which one is done first?

>>97617216
A deredeo or two maybe? Intercept with D4 S10 armorbane lascannons.

>>97617773
>but I worry the snapshots are being imposed by the Intercept reaction itself. I'd like a third person to corroborate th
I believe the snapshots vs flyers are a special case because of how their entering from reserves works. If they enter for a gun run then its outright never snapshots even with non-skyfire.

>>97616118
>GW sure as shit isn't making an unification wars game.
*yet

>>97617694
That's not hopping within the same 10-ish years anymore and the themes are completely different. There isn't an ongoing marathon to reach Terra before the other side does, no shattered promises, no bonds being broken, not knowing who sold his soul to the warmaster for absurd promises, not even the cool tech would be a thing. The scouring is just diet 40k because 40k as a setting is "things haven't changed in millennia".
>>97617694
But that's the thing, a lot of the people who got disenfranchised with 40k didn't just hate the rules they might have hated the models looking all cartoony, the players being waacfags to the point of comedy(GW even had to specify at one point that if you concede you automatically lose), the fluff being so edgy and poorly written, GW being predatory with their pratices and everything else. And the ex 40k players that would be fine with more 40k aren't even enough to justify killing HH. How many of actual hh players do you think will be happy when GW goes "you can't use that anymore because the near entirety of that thing got wiped clean off of history after the siege", or "this character died before the scouring" or "these factions ceased to exist"? I'm sure if 3.0 is anything to go by everyone from the HH community is going to be extremely happy and praising GW.
>there are also a lot of people who dont want to play marines or mech.
Ignoring the fact that militia, SA, daemons, custodes and sisters are also a thing, guess what, I don't want to play xenos and if the numbers are anything to go by not even 40k players do.
>They would not be killing off HH but getting rid of everything 30k related and replacing it with 40k shit and putting the kibosh on any new 30k supplement
Also fuck being popular, I don't want my game to be any more popular than it already is. They have already tried to streamline it twice to make it even more popular and it backfired spectacularly because they don't know what they're doing.

>>97617863
>Also fuck being popular, I don't want my game to be any more popular than it already is.
Listen anon im with you here, but the problem is, GW is not.
They want as many people as they can, and i want you to honestly tell me right now like no coping, no what abouts, none of that.

What do you honestly think would be more popular

Horus heresy as is, limited to marines mech and SA, Im sorry but i cant count Custodes with how universally accepted it is they are broken beyond reason to the point no one wants to play against them, and daemons are fucking DOA
vs
Scouring which would include Current armies + Orks, Eldar, Choas, possibly Cons as well

Again both systems using HH style rules.

Between those two options honestly answer me, which one do you think is going to be more popular and thus draw in more crowds.
Do you think its going to be the HH crowd, or the HH crowd (- people who dont like the scouring) + the people who like HH rules but want more then the factions we got.

I personally think the later is far more popular which means GW is probably going to go that path to get more money.

This is why i highly advocate for people to get physicals copies of rules for editions.

>>97616932
>>97612122
>>97612123
>>97612145
>>97612148
Notice how you just go on personal attack and have no counter argument. The video is correct.

>>97613722
For using cool new minis in old games

>>97613742
Do you have an example by any chance?

>>97617623
>There just isn't enough interest online that justifies killing an entire core game in exchange of getting a second 40k but earlier.
I am getting End Times flashbacks

>>97616930
I c dawg

>>97617898
I'll start by saying it won't include current armies outside of basic bitch marines without all the cool shit like fellblades or even las vindicators.

Mech fluff blurbs outright say that the automata were never seen in such numbers ever again, the solar auxilia post heresy make no sense, the sisters of silence cease to be a thing during the scouring and custodes in pratice never left the palace, daemons in general aren't going to be a thing for a long time going by what little we know about modern scouring fluff. Other than marines at most out of what we already have you're getting militia which is going to get turned crunch-wise into guard along with SA, a small fraction of mech and that's it. I think it's going to make money sorely because of 40k players current or waiting that just consume anything with the number 4 followed by a 0 and then a K. Xenos, according to an auspex tactics video I just checked, are 18% orks, 13,8% Elfs and 27% crons with an asterix that there is overlap between them. The big hitters other than crons in the xeno category are 19% tau and 28% nids neither of which are going to be in the game. Again I think there isn't an interest in the scouring but thinking more about it I doubt it would even matter because it's more 40k and to put it in the words of that one exec "we've got a very loyal fanbase that buys everything". Even if there aren't that many conversions or blogs or pages focused only on the scouring.

I think I want to do a 5-man vet breacher squad with a centurion in a land raider achilles as an allied detachment. What Legion, Blackshields trait, or Shattered combo should I go with?

>>97618294
WHy only 5 man? But I would probably go eternal vendetta blackshields. +1 to hit and to wound is pretty big, and theyre a fire and forget missile anyways.

>>97617560
>not because of what's in the kit.
Or in the case of Tardtaros, because of whats in the future kit :^))))))

>>97617947
Quiet, Arch. No one wants to hear from you.

>>97617773
>>97617818
The lascannon doesn't have rapid tracking, but the autocannon and boreas do, 2 of them firing all their Missiles snd the autocannon will do the job on average , each doing 3.8 hull points, and together are 380 points, which they'll make back between the caestus and the ~1 terminator that dies from falling out of the sky and automatically pinning the rest so they lose any chance of contributing to the game.

I have lost a terminator and theres an event coming up. WHats better? Use a 40k proxy as a standin (looks like ass, but should lead to a cooler list) or do I drop the terminators for some other units (will result in a list thats all 30k, but might be less cool).

>>97618367
Rapid tracking is to let you always react with it, but the dread can already do that. The lascannon has skyfire which is the important one.

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>>97618367
>and automatically pinning the rest so they lose any chance of contributing to the game.
Also remember this happens at the board edge. So that unit is now stuck far away from everything else most likely.

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>>97618367
>>97618378
I asked yall to read the rulebook and none did that. Incercept is Snapshots, whether the incoming unit flies or not.

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>>97618396
Anon.
You also dont snapshot at strafing run flyers even without skyfire.

"actually skyfire does nothing!"
Anons are too clever for their own good. Smart enough to think they found an error in the system rather than blindly trusting things to work how they should, not smart enough to realize they did not actually find an error in the system.

>>97617623
You're overestimating how much the scouring actually adds, it's really just MKVII and maybe proto-CSM armor for traitors

>>97618461
It would also open up a much easier access to xeno races too. Which IMO i would be great for the game, having some classic xeno races would be really fun.

Hell i would take a great crusade supplement so we can fight orks.

>>97618478
I really strongly doubt we'll get xenos without GW backing down on their stupid rule about not sharing models between games

>>97617799
Eternal warrior happens during allocating wounds, medic happens during removing casualties.
In shooting it's steps 9 and 11 respectively.

So, fail the save for a 3 damage attack. EW(1) reduces it to 2 damage, killing the model. However as you go to remove casualties, you test medic, and on a 4+ the 2 damage is reduced to 1. The model ends up surviving.

>>97618531
NTA but then how would that work with allocating wounds?
So lets say i have for shiggles sake here.
4 models with 2 wounds EW(1) and i take 4 D3 wounds.
Eternal warrior brings them down to 2 wounds a piece and then i pop medic and magically save all of them to 1d a peace.
Do i allocate where those hits happen before medic? or after medic? Because if its after i now have a squad of all 1 wounded models

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>>97618414
Oh good.
This is a Caestus dropping off Terminators. It is a Drop Mission. Interceptor Attacks at flyers in Drop missions would be as Snapshots...but Skyfire does specify attacks as part of a Reaction.
Full BS for Deredeos woo

Would flyers ever be attacked OUTSIDE a reaction? Their missions always seem to have them fly away before the enemy's actual turn arrives

>>97618569
>Would flyers ever be attacked OUTSIDE a reaction?
Nope. Not to my knowledge, they always leave at the end of the turn/after they do their thing.

>>97618559
Afaik you allocate before medic (so take 2 damage a model), and then on a 4+ per model they live on 1w.

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>>97618559
Don't you have to test Medic on a per-model base?
Succeed in reducing the damage down to 1D on the first model, then the next wound (3D) will be allocated onto it, as it is the one wounded model in the unit so far.
Allocate it, reduce it to 2D from Eternal, then test for Medic on that guy. He'll die regardless. Then comes the next 3D wound and the cycle keeps going, no?

>>97618559
the latter. Yes you will have a squad of all 1 wound models.

here's the fun part.

Let's say you have 4 models with 2W each, and take 5 unsaved wounds.
You allocate wounds until models "die", and when wounds are allocated the cause damage.
So allocate to model 1, it "dies", model 2 "dies", model 3 "dies, model 4 "dies". You now have this 5th wound and 4 "dead" models. That fifth wound disappears!

Then you hit step 11 and go to remove your "dead" models, and lo and behold, you make 3 of your 4+ Medic rolls! that's 3 1W models left!

>>97618592
see >>97618608 but medic occurs several steps after allocation, so there's no going back to allocate additional wounds once a model has passed a medic roll.

>>97618618
>>97618608
DESU shit like this makes me stand by my stance of.
The medic rule is fucking stupid, apothecaries should just be a FnP.

>>97615252
We need a rule in this thread that to show or talk about proonts if you have to post the stl.

>>97618461
I'm not, I know it removes more than it adds.

>>97618478
Orks aren’t really a threat to the Imperium until the War of the Beast, so while I wouldn’t put it past them to retcon it, I imagine a Scouring expansion would be more MK VII and more tame Chaos Marine upgrade sprues. Maybe new boxnaughts too.

>>97618879
>Tame Choas
I mean by siege they were all lost in the sauce anon.

Personally i want a great crusade suplement were they give us ork rules and eldar rules for pre HH.

>>97618905
I like a lot of the traitor legions at the start of the heresy but it's hard knowing they'll all turn into absolute chaos jokes

>>97618905
Yeah, but you can build a surprising amount of thin Plague Marines out of the 40k kit, I think it not unreasonable that newly minted Chaos Marines wouldn’t be as crazy yet. Especially Sons of Horus/Black Legion dudes who are largely just spikey armor dudes even in contemporary 40k.

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>>97618294
>>97618321
The Eternal Vendetta is tricky because of positioning, it can force you too eat extra volly fires which are risky on low model units even with 2 wounds. For an allied detachment it could be Pride is Our Armor so you could have a paragon centurion, or Taint of the Xenos for a Halo Blade and maybe a deathlock if vet breachers get special weapons, or panoply of old if there's a legion's wargear you're keen on.

>>97618879
>tame Chaos Marine upgrade sprues
Emperor's children were already in the sauce at Isstvan V.
>new boxnought
Literally just the old boxnought. The Old World shows they're not throwing out any molds, especially not big names like dreadnoughts.

>>97619138
I think if youre in an assault transport (like a land raider) you dont really care about the forced charges, when youre able to charge you will because thats the turn you disembark to charge.

>>97619223
It sneaks up on you. It's mandatory to declare in 12" even if you can't make it.

>>97618634
It's weird that in an edition that was largely about gamification or simulation they turned apothecaries into an extremely simulation heavy rule over their original more gamified one.

>>97619238
Sure, but that seems like a "turn after" concern if that, since the turn you charge the first time youre probably doing a fast one into something you want to kill. And by that point you probably take whatever charge you can get.

Plus nothing is stopping you from simply going the other way if you really dont want to fight. Im not saying theres never going to be a situation where its a drawback (especially if your entire army has it). But as someone who plays with the rule a LOT in warhammer fantasy (a different game admittedly) its really not that bad. "you have to charge" isnt an issue if you were going to charge anyways.

For a small allied hit team in a land raider, an elite melee unit meant to get in there and smack people about? Its basically a non issue.

>>97618634
Why? It seems fun.

>>97619323
Yes, but the point is that The Eternal Vendetta can put you up against that drawback rather often, especially in a unit whose set up move is restricted. A WS 5 unit that can freely take melee weapons backed up by an HQ might not necessarily need those bonuses compared to better wargear or a stat upgrade.

>>97619479
>but the point is that The Eternal Vendetta can put you up against that drawback rather often
In this situation? I dont see it. You pick when you disembark. You pick what units you walk towards. You shouldnt be having to make weird longbomb charges you cant make unless you made a mistake somewhere.

If youre within 12" of an enemy at the end of your charge phase its because you chose to be there. Which means you either should have moved forwards less or moved forwards more.

Does anyone know of a Skirmish Game that would use the HH minis? I was thinking Heralds of Ruin but I haven't played that in what feels like forever.

>>97619506
Just take the fucking Halo Blade

why is the plastic rapier kit so good to build?

>>97619660
low standards

>>97619565
stargrave?

Wait is it just me or is there only one multi melta per sprue for the castellaxes?

>>97619669
Oh, really? I actually have that in my shelf I just haven't got around to it yet. Could I get a quick rundown of how HH compatible it is?

>>97619733
NTA, but stargrave is pretty minis agnostic, more so then others due to the way you build crews. You can have power armoured dudes as a limited thing. BUT if you say marines are basic heavy armour and termies are powered armour then it's fine. The only thing you will run into is that stargrave has a LOT of weapon options, so you will need some flamers, machine guns, grenade launchers and the like. But most HH armies have enough of those.
If you were to use HH marines or mech for it, just sit down before the match tell your opponent what's what and it works perfectly.
There are also rules for co-op and single player stuff with stargrave.

Tried putting together a Mechanicum list for the first time in this new addition and what a nightmare. What were they thinking?? Thallax can't score without adding a techpriest who can't keep up with them. You need like a million Magos Dominii running around just to have enough detachments to take a variety of models.

Or am I just misunderstanding the rules?

I don't know why but I have a strong and irrational hatred for the blood angels.

>>97619759
Sounds wicked, I'll have to dig into this tomorrow. Thanks for the info anon.

>>97619764
Only cavalry, vehicles, and automata can't score objectives. Thallax are none of those.
Most mech lists I've played against have like two, three magos.

>>97619786
>Ka'Bandha entered the chat

>>97619786
Who's prettier, EC or BA

>>97619796
Apologies, I was moreso referring to the lack of Line. It seems like they're better used as a weapons platform than the core of a force.

>>97619809
Alpharius

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>>97619809
BA, but EC are more fun to be around which makes up for that fact

>>97619814
Line isn't the be all end all that internet hyperbole has made it out to be. Being able to evaporate the opponent's Line units early, have durable units to use as area denial, and farming VP for the remaining game turns wins more games than the hypothetical scenario of tactical squads being able to stand on an objective for more than one turn.

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>>97619814
Thallax work fine as scoring troops. It doesn't matter they don't have line when your opponent doesn't have any scoring troops by turn 2.

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House Devine are said to be purple and gold on page 95 of the Adeptus Titanicus Titandeath supplement but the art shows 'em in this pinkish-red colour.
Which is right? I want to paint my Devine up as kind Emps Children looking, a rich purple and really nice gold, but are they not meant to be?

>>97619853
Anon, that artwork is a shade of purple, not pink-ish red. You might be colour blind.

>>97619857
I...I actually am. Sorry :( didn't know this was a colour I saw wrong. I see it as a pretty clear red/pink. Sorry.

>>97619857
NTA but that art is nearly a perfect match for volpus pink you're the color blind one

>>97619853
This art is almost 1-to-1 with volpus pink or screamer pink anon, hope that helps

Were there any traitor units that still used the aquila in a "we are fighting for the Imperium not the Emperor" sort of way? Conversely did any Loyalists keep using the Eye of Terra in a "it was our symbol first" way?

>>97619853
>a rich purple and really nice gold,
I prefer this version of HDevine tbhon, it's what they looked like for quite a while until GW started depicting them as in that pic

>>97619853
Establish dominance by using a hot pink

>>97619861
Well met, fellow colourtard! Welcome to the worst hobby we can get into <3

>>97619786
why's that ?

>>97619786
They're white, blond, homocoded and handsome, I see why YOU would hate them.

>>97620024
>homocoded

more twinkcoded than homocoded.

>>97619964
>colourtard
Thanks, anon.

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reading inferno make me wanna roundhouse kick space wolves

>>97614984
>Toughness 5 is nothing behind a 6+ "save"
This. Possibly the best possible target for Volkite chargers

>>97618879
>war of the beast
not canon.

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>>97618879
>Orks aren’t really a threat to the Imperium until the War of the Beast
I think the real tragedy is this setting skips 200 years of crusade to focus on the 8 years of the heresy.
Like Pic related didn't happen.

>>97620038
blame ur retard space dad

>>97620090
A lot of the mentioned crusade stuff is way cooler than any heresy bullshit.

After the books and the way GW is going, I can only hope they leave it as mentioned events instead of expanding the lore.

>>97619764
You can score. Just not with Line.
Then Skitarii will arrive and it will be like 7E's Separate-but-Equal codices (Skitarii & Cult Mechanicus) all over again.
Then Primaris (Grey Knights) arrive, and they release a new edition that looks nothing like the editions before. Again.

>>97620107
Just re-read the FW black books.

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>>97619893
Yes, /yours/ and /mine/. You just have so say it, and it will be so.

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>>97620099
doesn't help that leman was twice as retarded

>>97619764
>Thallax can't score without adding a techpriest who can't keep up with them
Yes they can? Theyre infantry, not automata. Theyre not line, but they score full pts.

>You need like a million Magos Dominii running around just to have enough detachments to take a variety of models.
Yes. But you also just need a lot of Magi for rules reasons, the army lives and dies on their buffs, comptroller and reactions.

>>97619814
Thallax can absolutely be the core of a force, theyre a cheap and durable weapons platform that can be equipped to handle nearly any situation. But sure, theyre more an offensive tool than a backfield line holder (your best option there is castellax, grab a squad of two, add a priest, sit them on an objective and dare for someone to object)

>>97620151
Basically: Thallax are not "mechanicum tacticals". Admech has no "tactical marines". Thallax are however much more combat effective than tacticals, and much faster than facticals.

You dont take Thallax to sit on an objective doing nothing (although they are fast enough to quickly jump onto objectives). You take thallax to deal damage and opportunistically score.